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Quote: Originally posted by Vergie6 on Apr 6, 2020
I did the same thing rcbbuckeye!

I felt depression coming on and the walls were closing in on me!

It did me a world of good and plan to take another walk today!

I like you advise others to try it also!

Be careful out there this is something i pulled of the net but it's the net how much of it is factual though.

How far does a sneeze spray?

But according to research by scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, it's not just the person next to us we should worry about: coughing spreads droplets as far as six metres, and sneezing as much as eight metres. These droplets stay suspended in the air for up to 10 minutes.

Ouch up to 10 mins i never knew that, if its true.

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Apr 6, 2020, 1:56 pm

Quote: Originally posted by GuesssWork on Apr 6, 2020
Be careful out there this is something i pulled of the net but it's the net how much of it is factual though.

How far does a sneeze spray?

But according to research by scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, it's not just the person next to us we should worry about: coughing spreads droplets as far as six metres, and sneezing as much as eight metres. These droplets stay suspended in the air for up to 10 minutes.

Ouch up to 10 mins i never knew that, if its true.

Good to hear from you. Glad you're ok for now. This week is going to be tough. Be careful and stay safe.

130,689 positive cases in NY State. 4,758 deaths so far.

New Jersey and Louisiana are bad also. I can't believe they had Mardi Gras with no warnings whatsoever. Take care man.

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Apr 6, 2020, 1:57 pm

Quote: Originally posted by GuesssWork on Apr 6, 2020
Be careful out there this is something i pulled of the net but it's the net how much of it is factual though.

How far does a sneeze spray?

But according to research by scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, it's not just the person next to us we should worry about: coughing spreads droplets as far as six metres, and sneezing as much as eight metres. These droplets stay suspended in the air for up to 10 minutes.

Ouch up to 10 mins i never knew that, if its true.

Keep in mind that a lot of that testing is done in a laboratory setting, and Dr. Fauchi has already discredited such claims saying one would have to purposely lean back and launch their sneeze or cough as far as they possibly could in order to make it travel that far. The droplets thing again is a lab setting in which they can generate far smaller droplets than a human would typically expel. Dr. Fauchi has already said most droplets from a sneeze or cough would fall to the ground within seconds.

The 6-foot social distancing guidelines are good for all but the most extreme scenarios, so stick with the 6 feet and you'll be good.

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Apr 6, 2020, 2:05 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Apr 6, 2020
Keep in mind that a lot of that testing is done in a laboratory setting, and Dr. Fauchi has already discredited such claims saying one would have to purposely lean back and launch their sneeze or cough as far as they possibly could in order to make it travel that far. The droplets thing again is a lab setting in which they can generate far smaller droplets than a human would typically expel. Dr. Fauchi has already said most droplets from a sneeze or cough would fall to the ground within seconds.

The 6-foot social distancing guidelines are good for all but the most extreme scenarios, so stick with the 6 feet and you'll be good.

Yes, follow the 6 feet guidelines. Social distancing. I feel for the public service workers who are out there everyday because it's their job. Everybody must care and do what we should for each other and for ourselves. Jason Hargrove, just terrible story. R.I.P.

This is really no joke.

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Apr 6, 2020, 2:34 pm

So what happens when this comes back next year like the common flu / cold does year after year? If we don't have a vaccine will we shut the country down again? If we do this again, our children are screwed. BTW, I continue to go out and play my lottery numbers every day no matter what! I refuse to cower in my house.

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Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Apr 6, 2020
dr wrong-again

I don't have to use the bible at all to prove my point. Just look at the book of nature.

If we look at the fossil record we find no life at all and then life appeared seemingly all

at once in the archaeological record. How many times have you heard mention that

in the same layers where dinosaur fossils were found that modern animals are also found

along side them?

Most geologist have jettisoned the idea that the grand canyon formed over millions of years

and now say that the layers were layed down over a very short time frame in a distant water

cataclysm. The life forms found in the layers are also best described by the same event.

The smallest life forms at the bottom to the largest at the top with birds taking up the upper

most layers.

If the event of Adam and Eve is not true then none of the Bible is true. It's clear to me that

you have never looked into any other viewpoint then the old lame evolution bunk. Each kind

of life form has within it's dna the ability to adapt. This is not evolution but adaptation. Darwin

assumed that because small changes take place that if given enough time that these small

adaptations could account for all life forms. The thing is, is that Darwin knew nothing about DNA.

Lets say I had a computer that could randomly produce computer code, again lets say that it was

left to run for millions of years, how long do you think it would take to build a working program.

Remember each time it changed something that did not work the program would die. I suspect

if given enough time it could produce some sort of code that would compile then run although I

would not expect it to do much. Now consider that in this example we started with a computer.

Where did the computer come from?

Anyone who is open minded I suggest they watch the video linked below. I only ask that people take

the time to consider the information presented in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChWiZ3iXWwM

RL

As is true with the vast majority of people who don't believe in evolution, you've made it obvious that you don't understand how evolution works, so if you're open-minded you might want to take advantage of any extra free time you've got to find out what the theory of evolution actually says about how it works. And before you trot out the ignorant nonsense about "just a theory" you might starts by making sure you actually know what a scientific theory is.

"Lets say I had a computer that could randomly produce computer code ... Remember each time it changed something that did not work the program would die."

Apples and oranges, because you're arguing against a process you don't understand. While some individual processes are random the overall process of evolution isn't random. Some mutations are harmful, some are beneficial, and some are neutral. In some cases a mutation can kill, but it only kills the individuals affected, not an entire "program" to use your flawed analogy. The correct analogy would be closer to generating random code and keeping the parts that run out to be useful. "qdgyp" is useless and isn't saved, but "if" turns out to be valid and useful and gets retained. And because life is based on chemistry instead of letters even the "code" isn't generated randomly. An intelligent chemical designer can mix helium or argon atoms with any other element a million times and not get anything useful, whereas a moron can randomly mix other elements and when pure chance causes them to mix reactive elements together they'll produce a chemical compound.

"life appeared seemingly all at once"

That depends on what you mean by "all at once". At some point life started and began leaving a fossil record, but ...

"The smallest life forms at the bottom to the largest at the top"

Almost right. It's actually simple life forms at the bottom and more complex forms at the top. That is, of course, what we'd expect if rather than appearing all at once life gradually evolved and the remains were deposited in layers of rock according to when those life forms existed.

I could go on, as you got pretty much everything wrong. Ironically you're even wrong in saying that "then none of the Bible is true". Just because the bible is wrong about how we came to exist doesn't mean it's wrong about everything. If you can't even think correctly you're going to have difficulty with a lot of what you think about.

"Where did the computer come from? "

Ah, a (not really) new twist on the prime mover argument that nothing can exist without a cause. Here's a chance to practice some good thinking. Where did god come from?
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Apr 6, 2020, 3:08 pm

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Apr 6, 2020
So what happens when this comes back next year like the common flu / cold does year after year? If we don't have a vaccine will we shut the country down again? If we do this again, our children are screwed. BTW, I continue to go out and play my lottery numbers every day no matter what! I refuse to cower in my house.

Every 100 years. Rapid vaccine development. Emergency supplies. These are all things the government has, does, and will work on. The point is to be ready. We werent ready enough this time, but we weren't ignorant to the fact that it could and would happen. It's all about the money, so you have the right idea.

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Apr 6, 2020, 3:15 pm

"So what happens when this comes back next year like the common flu "

What happened when the 1918 flu came back in 1919, 1920, 1921, and so on? Oh, that's right, we didn't get the same thing year after year. Kind of like the 2003 coronavirus didn't come back again and again.

If we're really lucky this version will also die out almost completely, though I think that's unlikely. The 2003 coronavirus (better known as SARS) was highly lethal but didn't spread very far. This version of the coronavirus is much less lethal (though far more so than the usual strains of flu), but far more contagious and widespread. Assuming it doesn't go away and becomes more widespread again after the number of cases drops to a very small number, a significant number of people will have already been exposed previously. That means that a lot fo people will have had a chance to develop antibodies, and will be more resistant to future cases.

Or not. There's a chance that it will run in cycles, or even reach some level of consistency that has less of a seasonal component than the flu. FWIW, if you haven't figured it out the flu is always with us. It doesn't go away and pop up out of thin air again every year and it doesn't go off and send the summer at camp before returning home.

One thing that's sure is that stopping a lot of human interaction isn't good for the economy. You know what else isn't good for the economy? Letting life as normal kill 100 million people. If we don't develop herd immunity or a vaccine we may be screwed no matter what.

And if you've noticed all of the warnings that came out years before the very first case of COVID-19, we can expect that if this one doesn't severely reduce the population there's a very good chance that another one will somewhere down the road. Or maybe we'll go quickly when an asteroid or comet finally gets a bit too close.
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Apr 6, 2020, 3:20 pm

hello,ky floyd I agree with you, the law of action and reaction makes human beings evolve.
ky flord, we have a problem, it has already been diagnosed
positive in the test on a tiger in india, in ney york as well as in the zoological, it was positive in several animals, besides the one in the world that was not tested even in the beef, so imagine the scene, you arrive
in a butcher shop where there is chicken, pork and beef, and asks for meat without a virus? by the way it came from an animation the pangolin when it enters the food then yes it will be terror,
we have to find the vaccine soon, to strengthen the immune system
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Apr 6, 2020, 3:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by LiveInGreenBay on Apr 6, 2020
So what happens when this comes back next year like the common flu / cold does year after year? If we don't have a vaccine will we shut the country down again? If we do this again, our children are screwed. BTW, I continue to go out and play my lottery numbers every day no matter what! I refuse to cower in my house.

Dr. Fauchi has addressed that question a number of times. (I'd recommend watching the presidential press conference every day at around 5:00 pm, because it is packed with useful information. Don't rely on the news media to tell you what happened in the news conference, because they hate Trump and always leave out very important information because they feel it will hurt him. Watch the conference yourself on YouTube, as it is live streamed and uncensored.)

Dr. Fauchi's answer has been that if the virus does come around next year, the USA and the world will be much better able to contain it, even if a vaccine is not in use by then.

For one thing we will have a much better handle on which therapeutics work well. That might be hydroxychloroquine, remdesivir, or a dozen other drugs being tested right now. Second, because there is now 15-minute testing that can be performed at any doctors office, people will be able to be diagnosed immediately, and contact tracing can quickly determine who has been exposed and infected.

So basically because infections can be quickly detected, isolated, and treated, the medical community can contain future spreads of this coronavirus.

The addition of a vaccine in about a year will also effectively eliminate this horrendous virus.

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Every year there is a new virus.

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Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Apr 6, 2020
Every year there is a new virus.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10158154644768454&set=a.55100023453&type=3&eid=ARA-pbpz-mbWWPlEcOS312NJkn8R6v0y8KdxsFbttWeq11qQlBfA4rj2mGuTcW9AlIAocPITZlXI3Io5

How wearing gloves may not help. This is from a nurse with a demonstration.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/513385062678434/?t=15

Don't worry about the site, this is Absolutely NOT political.
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Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Apr 6, 2020
My original question was much Larger than I thought. I was looking at numbers as the Hitter and pondering some statistics applied to the LP Membership. The Question was Immediately dwarfed by the same types of mumbling that we watch Every Darn Day in Media.

Discussion went from a quick question about my original numbers to Declarations of Defiance against the recommendations of our leaders. It continued with claims of conspiracy, followed now by a discussion of Darwin and of course God.

LP is no different than Society as a whole. And just like that Society, includes points of view that run the gamut from Practical Truth to Misinformed Lies.

Corona Virus has Hit LP. I will take the Crazy Exchanges as long as there is no reported “Hit” to the Members. Given where this Topic has drifted, I doubt that anyone would post that hit here.

Stay Home and be very careful if you go out.

Walks are Good.

There's a reason boilers and pressure cookers have a relief valve. I appreciate Todd allowing the one thread to continue so other threads are not polluted by largely off topic material. Sometimes a blog nobody reads isn't enough when people feel compelled to comment on current affairs.

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Some people's sole reason for being is to show the rest of us what not to do. Think of it as evolution in action.
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Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Apr 6, 2020
As is true with the vast majority of people who don't believe in evolution, you've made it obvious that you don't understand how evolution works, so if you're open-minded you might want to take advantage of any extra free time you've got to find out what the theory of evolution actually says about how it works. And before you trot out the ignorant nonsense about "just a theory" you might starts by making sure you actually know what a scientific theory is.

"Lets say I had a computer that could randomly produce computer code ... Remember each time it changed something that did not work the program would die."

Apples and oranges, because you're arguing against a process you don't understand. While some individual processes are random the overall process of evolution isn't random. Some mutations are harmful, some are beneficial, and some are neutral. In some cases a mutation can kill, but it only kills the individuals affected, not an entire "program" to use your flawed analogy. The correct analogy would be closer to generating random code and keeping the parts that run out to be useful. "qdgyp" is useless and isn't saved, but "if" turns out to be valid and useful and gets retained. And because life is based on chemistry instead of letters even the "code" isn't generated randomly. An intelligent chemical designer can mix helium or argon atoms with any other element a million times and not get anything useful, whereas a moron can randomly mix other elements and when pure chance causes them to mix reactive elements together they'll produce a chemical compound.

"life appeared seemingly all at once"

That depends on what you mean by "all at once". At some point life started and began leaving a fossil record, but ...

"The smallest life forms at the bottom to the largest at the top"

Almost right. It's actually simple life forms at the bottom and more complex forms at the top. That is, of course, what we'd expect if rather than appearing all at once life gradually evolved and the remains were deposited in layers of rock according to when those life forms existed.

I could go on, as you got pretty much everything wrong. Ironically you're even wrong in saying that "then none of the Bible is true". Just because the bible is wrong about how we came to exist doesn't mean it's wrong about everything. If you can't even think correctly you're going to have difficulty with a lot of what you think about.

"Where did the computer come from? "

Ah, a (not really) new twist on the prime mover argument that nothing can exist without a cause. Here's a chance to practice some good thinking. Where did god come from?

KY

"you've made it obvious that you don't understand how evolution works"

You must be joking, evolution is a myth, adaptation is not evolution. Each life form contains all the information

coded within it's dna to adapt, ie adaptation.

"And before you trot out the ignorant nonsense about "just a theory" you might starts by making sure you actually know what a scientific theory is."

Science fact is suppose to be observable and repeatable. Show me one life form that has underwent a change in

kind. Maybe a plant to a bird. Maybe a walkingstick started out as a oak twig in your understanding. Scientist

tried to alter the dna of fruit flies. For some reason no matter what the tried the fruit fly remained a fruit fly or died

in the process.

"Almost right. It's actually simple life forms at the bottom and more complex forms at the top."

Simple life forms, explain to me what a simple life form is. Also where are all the transitional fossils,

there aren't any. How then is evolution scientific, seems to me there is a lot of fairy tales in the science

books on evolution. It's you that need to update you outdated theories. You need to read up on the

latest catastrophism theories.

"While some individual processes are random the overall process of evolution isn't random. Some mutations

are harmful, some are beneficial, and some are neutral. In some cases a mutation can kill, but it only kills the

individuals affected, not an entire "program" to use your flawed analogy."

If it's not based on random then why do you believe in evolution, was the starting point not random and

if so, then all other mutations are also hit and miss, ie, random. I find it funny that there are both male and

females for each kind. Hmmmmm, I guess random got lucky, not once or twice but around a million times.

Stephen Hawking said something to the effect that if mass exist and Einstein equation was correct then

there had to be a causal agent responsible for the universe. I am very sure mass exist and Einstein equation

has been proved to 15 digits right of the decimal.

"Where did god come from?"

Your applying your lack of knowledge to a realm that we know nothing about. A place where physics

are most certainly not what we know. The bible simply says he is without beginning or ending. He is

not a physical being but a spirit outside space and time. I would say that he is Hawkins causal agent.

If you can prove he is not the causal agent then maybe we can talk. The laws of physics are our

understanding of what already exist. Who created the laws to begin with? Why are they not random

and chaotic? Seems again to me that some intelligence was behind them. We discovered these laws

we did not create them.

"you're even wrong in saying that "then none of the Bible is true". Just because the bible is wrong about how we came to exist doesn't mean it's wrong about everything. If you can't even think correctly you're going to have difficulty with a lot of what you think about."

Your statement above shows that you have no knowledge of what the bible says. No Adam, no need for

a savior. The whole of the bible is geared around God's redemptive plan for mankind. A plan which was

made before the the universe was created.

"whereas a moron can randomly mix other elements and when pure chance causes them to mix reactive

elements together they'll produce a chemical compound."

Where did the moron come from, sounds to me like your saying it was Hawkins causal agent.

I really think you should re-evaluate your current positions. The theory of evolution is still a work in progress

which has so many holes in it that it should be trashed. Evolution makes so many unprovable assumptions

that I think it takes more faith to believe in evolution then it does to believe that the universe was created by a

loving caring God.

You should try thinking things through. The reason most want to believe in evolution is because they think

belief in God is stupid. It is written "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the

Holy One is understanding." Proverbs 9:10.

This is my last post here at LP so don't expect me to respond to any rhetoric. Believe in whatever you want

and I will do the same.

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The debate is sometimes portrayed as being between science and religion, and the United States National Academy of Sciences states:

Today, many religious denominations accept that biological evolution has produced the diversity of living things over billions of years of Earth's history. Many have issued statements observing that evolution and the tenets of their faiths are compatible. Scientists and theologians have written eloquently about their awe and wonder at the history of the universe and of life on this planet, explaining that they see no conflict between their faith in God and the evidence for evolution. Religious denominations that do not accept the occurrence of evolution tend to be those that believe in strictly literal interpretations of religious texts.

— National Academy of Sciences, Science, Evolution, and Creationism.

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