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john130420

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Jul 5, 2017, 8:42 am

I just realized since the Powerball and Mega Millions are chosen using a mechanical pinball machine, that you would have the same chances of winning if you chose the numbers "01 02 03 04 05 06" yet I've never seen a drawing with those numbers, which just shows how unlikely you are to win with any combination of numbers.

Am i correct in my logic?
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Jul 5, 2017, 9:25 am

I agree...hardly ever play those games anymore.

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Jul 5, 2017, 10:57 am

While the odds are the same, the play distribution by other players isn't. Many play common sequences (1, 2, 3 ...; 5, 10, 15 ...) and/or patterns on the playslip (row, line, etc). Lets hope such numbers never come up in MM or PB, because even lower tier prizes can go para-mutuel, if there is an excessive number of winners...

Imagine 1,000 players splitting a $100 million jackpot with each only receiving $100K while Match-5 prize tier paying say $1K instead of $1 million; likely even less in California. An unlikely, but possible scenario.
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Quote: Originally posted by john130420 on Jul 5, 2017
I just realized since the Powerball and Mega Millions are chosen using a mechanical pinball machine, that you would have the same chances of winning if you chose the numbers "01 02 03 04 05 06" yet I've never seen a drawing with those numbers, which just shows how unlikely you are to win with any combination of numbers.

Am i correct in my logic?

On 11/09/96 01 03 05 06 35 +38 hit PB and on 09/20/02 01 02 04 05 46 +08 hit MM. No six sequenced numbers has ever won any lottery which covers more sets than 1-6.

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Jul 5, 2017, 11:54 am

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Jul 5, 2017
On 11/09/96 01 03 05 06 35 +38 hit PB and on 09/20/02 01 02 04 05 46 +08 hit MM. No six sequenced numbers has ever won any lottery which covers more sets than 1-6.

Which isn't surprising considering the astronomical odds
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Jul 5, 2017, 11:57 am

Quote: Originally posted by john130420 on Jul 5, 2017
I just realized since the Powerball and Mega Millions are chosen using a mechanical pinball machine, that you would have the same chances of winning if you chose the numbers "01 02 03 04 05 06" yet I've never seen a drawing with those numbers, which just shows how unlikely you are to win with any combination of numbers.

Am i correct in my logic?

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Jul 5, 2017, 11:57 am

Quote: Originally posted by john130420 on Jul 5, 2017
I just realized since the Powerball and Mega Millions are chosen using a mechanical pinball machine, that you would have the same chances of winning if you chose the numbers "01 02 03 04 05 06" yet I've never seen a drawing with those numbers, which just shows how unlikely you are to win with any combination of numbers.

Am i correct in my logic?

In a way, every combination of numbers has exactly the very same chance to come out on every drawing, pre, winning and post and this is the truth.

Yet, statistics, to the person who really knows how to use them, will show you, that if you use the right prediction logic, there might be some combinations and or groups of combinations that might have a greater chance than others to come out at a given time or at given times than do other(s) combinations.

That is why some few people try to predict right the winning jackpot numbers.

That can be very hard or even impossible to do, because jackpot kind of games have way too many possible combinations.

But some relatively few people might have a greater chance at least somewhat more often than others at predicting right and winning smaller jackpot prizes.

For jackpot kind of games, even statistics and the right prediction logic might not be good enough for winning the jackpot prize, but it is not impossible and can happen, some few people have been able to predict the winning combination on smaller jackpot kind of games such as on the cash 5, of course they can't do that neither all of the time nor very often, but they have been able to do it more often than if they bought quick-picks and more often than not it was not with a single combination, but with a more or less big number of combinations, still such things do beat the frequency of winning with a more or less big group of quick-picks.

And no, I am not talking about myself, I have not yet REALLY tried to predict jackpot winning combinations, even if I had taylor made software programs, I might still not be able to do it, but Who knows?

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Quote: Originally posted by amber123 on Jul 5, 2017
99.8%-of-people-won't-win-a-JP-in-their-lifetime...PERIOD!

Total-waste-of-money.

Very true, Pac, but it might be more like 99.999, I don't know anything about Math.

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Jul 5, 2017, 1:09 pm

Quote: Originally posted by john130420 on Jul 5, 2017
I just realized since the Powerball and Mega Millions are chosen using a mechanical pinball machine, that you would have the same chances of winning if you chose the numbers "01 02 03 04 05 06" yet I've never seen a drawing with those numbers, which just shows how unlikely you are to win with any combination of numbers.

Am i correct in my logic?

No!!!! There are combinations in every Jackpot Game. These combinations vary from Jackpot Game to Jackpot Game. For example -- In the mega millions game - I have 63 groups which make up 157 games of the total 387 games to date under the current matrix system. Or 40.57% of the total drawings to date. You can view my file by going to my file listed below.

Go To -- https://app.box.com/s/u855x2z3osjgaokte4q1x6i8giweyng3

It might take a minute or so for the file to come up but it will come up.

Please advise of any questions and/or problems.

Good Luck & Best Wishes To All.......................
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Jul 5, 2017, 2:37 pm

Quote: Originally posted by butch2030 on Jul 5, 2017
No!!!! There are combinations in every Jackpot Game. These combinations vary from Jackpot Game to Jackpot Game. For example -- In the mega millions game - I have 63 groups which make up 157 games of the total 387 games to date under the current matrix system. Or 40.57% of the total drawings to date. You can view my file by going to my file listed below.

Go To -- https://app.box.com/s/u855x2z3osjgaokte4q1x6i8giweyng3

It might take a minute or so for the file to come up but it will come up.

Please advise of any questions and/or problems.

Good Luck & Best Wishes To All.......................

But a mechanical pinball device is operated by the laws of physics so it has to be random chance. Isn't it that simple?
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Jul 5, 2017, 2:59 pm

Quote: Originally posted by john130420 on Jul 5, 2017
I just realized since the Powerball and Mega Millions are chosen using a mechanical pinball machine, that you would have the same chances of winning if you chose the numbers "01 02 03 04 05 06" yet I've never seen a drawing with those numbers, which just shows how unlikely you are to win with any combination of numbers.

Am i correct in my logic?

It's just like the casinos. Everything is computerized and random. I have seen a close bunch of numbers as you posted. In fact a member on here did post that type of sequence of numbers.

The closest is the lottery pyramid. In one of the pyramids I was able to guess not play 4 out of 5 of them.
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Jul 5, 2017, 7:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by john130420 on Jul 5, 2017
I just realized since the Powerball and Mega Millions are chosen using a mechanical pinball machine, that you would have the same chances of winning if you chose the numbers "01 02 03 04 05 06" yet I've never seen a drawing with those numbers, which just shows how unlikely you are to win with any combination of numbers.

Am i correct in my logic?

There are 208 PB & MM drawings held in a single year. The odds of winning the jackpots are 1 in 258 million or higher. Which means that on average, each distinct set of numbers should come in once every 1.25 million years or so. Bottom line, you can play 1 through 6 and they're just as likely to win as any other set of 6 numbers, but you'd better be in it for the long haul.
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Jul 5, 2017, 9:06 pm

When l read of folks saying their are " patterns to combinations" when talking about PB or MM,l honestly don't know what that means. I once read that it's very easy for us humans to imagine odds of 1-50, because if we are in a room with 49 people, we simple take ourselves from the equation and we get the picture, we really do. But when we have odds of 259 million to 1, it's impossible to wrap our minds around that number, why, because we have never seen 259 million people in one spot. We think we can visualize that many people, but we cannot. Sure we can take in the size of the crowd sitting in the stadium at the Super Bowl, but what's that? 80,000? Well, triple that, and then perhaps we get the picture of what we going up against in terms of odds. Powerball odds are even worse. Fact of the matter is, it's a game of chance- anyone telling you anything different is a snake oil saleman. It's chance baby, always will be chance. Think Chance, think 84 year old Gloria Mackenzie.Being at the right place, right time, with them right numbers.

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Jul 5, 2017, 9:33 pm

Quote: Originally posted by john130420 on Jul 5, 2017
But a mechanical pinball device is operated by the laws of physics so it has to be random chance. Isn't it that simple?

Lottery machines along with the balls are man made. Balls are put in a certain order, machine is turned on, balls drop, spindles turn, balls fall out. From start to finished, the entire process takes less then 15 seconds. Combinations & Patters do form, even if they use multiple machines and different sets of balls. The only way the Lottery can be totally random is if it is handled in a complete vacuum environment & I doubt that this will ever happen.
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Jul 5, 2017, 9:52 pm

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Jul 5, 2017
When l read of folks saying their are " patterns to combinations" when talking about PB or MM,l honestly don't know what that means. I once read that it's very easy for us humans to imagine odds of 1-50, because if we are in a room with 49 people, we simple take ourselves from the equation and we get the picture, we really do. But when we have odds of 259 million to 1, it's impossible to wrap our minds around that number, why, because we have never seen 259 million people in one spot. We think we can visualize that many people, but we cannot. Sure we can take in the size of the crowd sitting in the stadium at the Super Bowl, but what's that? 80,000? Well, triple that, and then perhaps we get the picture of what we going up against in terms of odds. Powerball odds are even worse. Fact of the matter is, it's a game of chance- anyone telling you anything different is a snake oil saleman. It's chance baby, always will be chance. Think Chance, think 84 year old Gloria Mackenzie.Being at the right place, right time, with them right numbers.

My Math was completely off back there. Try 3,240 stadiums with a capacity crowd of 80,000 people a piece, and having ONE winner, from all of those stadiums combined. That's the odds we talking about here.

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