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• Speler

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• garyo1954

  

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  This should be a poll where we vote on variables like
  
  1) Sum
  2) Even/Odd totals
  3) Hi/Low totals
  4) Prob-a-babilty math
  
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  Quote: Originally posted by Speler on Dec 10, 2021

  I made it easy for you!

  What did you make for me?

  A 100 hundred line wheel that nobody can play??

  But as to your question,

   

  1) Quick picks.

  2) Quick picks.

  3) Easy Picks.

  4) Lazy Picks. 

  5)Quick, Eazy, and Lazy Picks.
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  Filters less then 10% until you have enough of them to average at least one in every draw. 
  
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  of course you can create bets and then make the mirror, (see table) the hit is either in the base or in the mirror of the bets, or neither of the two ahhh!
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  How about wheels?
  
  Let's say we wheel using the largest range. So we use the number 1 in our wheel (but that doesn't mean it will always be the lowest number). In 1075X draws we have the possibility of hitting 1257 times. Roughly 11.7%. 
  
  Now let's say we use a key wheel with number 1 as the key. Our chart looks something like this......
  
  

  1	0	1	2	3	11	12	13	22	23	22	111	112	113	122	123	133	222	223	244	333
  0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	1	2	0	1	1	0	0
  1	0	0	0	1	1	2	1	4	2	0	1	6	1	3	7	1	2	4	3	0
  2	0	0	2	1	1	1	7	3	4	1	1	4	3	5	4	3	2	2	1	1
  3	0	1	0	0	2	0	1	2	1	0	0	4	1	0	4	2	3	0	1	0
  11	0	2	1	0	5	7	2	2	4	1	0	2	6	7	10	2	2	2	4	2
  12	0	3	3	3	6	9	8	4	5	3	3	16	8	13	15	4	5	10	1	3
  13	0	0	0	1	2	4	6	3	5	2	2	17	4	8	8	2	1	2	5	0
  22	0	1	1	1	1	2	5	2	2	1	3	10	7	8	4	3	0	5	1	1
  23	1	3	2	1	3	3	2	4	5	0	1	8	3	4	17	2	3	3	3	0
  33	0	0	0	0	3	1	5	1	2	0	0	1	0	2	4	1	2	3	1	0
  111	0	1	1	0	2	1	2	0	2	0	0	0	2	3	1	0	2	1	1	0
  112	1	3	1	0	2	8	5	5	7	1	5	9	3	5	12	3	3	3	1	0
  113	0	0	0	3	1	6	3	2	2	1	1	8	5	6	3	3	1	2	4	0
  122	1	0	2	0	2	6	5	7	6	1	2	11	2	9	8	2	1	3	3	2
  123	1	2	1	1	3	12	5	7	1	2	3	8	5	12	11	4	0	2	5	0
  133	0	1	1	0	3	3	2	0	3	0	0	4	1	2	5	0	0	3	1	0
  222	0	0	1	0	1	1	2	0	4	0	1	0	4	0	4	0	1	0	0	0
  223	0	1	1	0	2	2	1	2	3	1	0	4	2	0	5	1	2	3	2	0
  233	0	0	0	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	0	0	1	4	3	0	4	0	0
  333	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0

  A little explanation here. The 1 in the upper leftmost box is the key number. Going down is the front digit pattern that hit. 
  Going across is the projected front digit pattern for the next draw. 
  
  Now, this covers just shy of 72% of the total possibilities. And overall it hits about 7.3% of the time in our game.
  
  We could still have a 2 or 3 ball win, but this is based on a jackpot only. (Without knowing the numbers in the wheel it would be impossible to calculate the 2 and 3 winners. So, the more information we have, the better we can calculate the possibilities)
  
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• Speler

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  Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Dec 11, 2021

  How about wheels?
  
  Let's say we wheel using the largest range. So we use the number 1 in our wheel (but that doesn't mean it will always be the lowest number). In 1075X draws we have the possibility of hitting 1257 times. Roughly 11.7%. 
  
  Now let's say we use a key wheel with number 1 as the key. Our chart looks something like this......
  
  

  1	0	1	2	3	11	12	13	22	23	22	111	112	113	122	123	133	222	223	244	333
  0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	1	2	0	1	1	0	0
  1	0	0	0	1	1	2	1	4	2	0	1	6	1	3	7	1	2	4	3	0
  2	0	0	2	1	1	1	7	3	4	1	1	4	3	5	4	3	2	2	1	1
  3	0	1	0	0	2	0	1	2	1	0	0	4	1	0	4	2	3	0	1	0
  11	0	2	1	0	5	7	2	2	4	1	0	2	6	7	10	2	2	2	4	2
  12	0	3	3	3	6	9	8	4	5	3	3	16	8	13	15	4	5	10	1	3
  13	0	0	0	1	2	4	6	3	5	2	2	17	4	8	8	2	1	2	5	0
  22	0	1	1	1	1	2	5	2	2	1	3	10	7	8	4	3	0	5	1	1
  23	1	3	2	1	3	3	2	4	5	0	1	8	3	4	17	2	3	3	3	0
  33	0	0	0	0	3	1	5	1	2	0	0	1	0	2	4	1	2	3	1	0
  111	0	1	1	0	2	1	2	0	2	0	0	0	2	3	1	0	2	1	1	0
  112	1	3	1	0	2	8	5	5	7	1	5	9	3	5	12	3	3	3	1	0
  113	0	0	0	3	1	6	3	2	2	1	1	8	5	6	3	3	1	2	4	0
  122	1	0	2	0	2	6	5	7	6	1	2	11	2	9	8	2	1	3	3	2
  123	1	2	1	1	3	12	5	7	1	2	3	8	5	12	11	4	0	2	5	0
  133	0	1	1	0	3	3	2	0	3	0	0	4	1	2	5	0	0	3	1	0
  222	0	0	1	0	1	1	2	0	4	0	1	0	4	0	4	0	1	0	0	0
  223	0	1	1	0	2	2	1	2	3	1	0	4	2	0	5	1	2	3	2	0
  233	0	0	0	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	0	0	1	4	3	0	4	0	0
  333	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0

  A little explanation here. The 1 in the upper leftmost box is the key number. Going down is the front digit pattern that hit. 
  Going across is the projected front digit pattern for the next draw. 
  
  Now, this covers just shy of 72% of the total possibilities. And overall it hits about 7.3% of the time in our game.
  
  We could still have a 2 or 3 ball win, but this is based on a jackpot only. (Without knowing the numbers in the wheel it would be impossible to calculate the 2 and 3 winners. So, the more information we have, the better we can calculate the possibilities)
  
  G

  Key number(s) wrong? Less budget lost as less budget used.
  Key number(s) correct? Less budget needed. Better payout ratio.

  N: 1 to 7
  Pick: 5

  Combinations: 21 // full system
  Combination: 1 2 3 4 5
  3 10
  4 10
  5 1

  Combinations: 15 // (full) key system with 1 as key
  Combination: 1 2 3 4 5
  3 6
  4 8
  5 1
• garyo1954

  

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  The question is whether anything will work 80% of the time. 
  
  I'm saying wheels won't. Nothing wrong with the good and bad points,  but we're talking real numbers, the percentage of coverage possible using 1 as a key digit. 
  
  Okay, if you use 1 as the key digit, which gives us the biggest range to play with, the largest coverage you can get is 71.8%. And that is only if we wheel every number with one, i.e, playing every possible combination. 
  
  The reason that's true is anytime we use 1, or any single digit as the key, no combination can have a front digit pattern without a 0 (zero). In a four ball game all patterns larger than 0333 are eliminated. That means no 1111, 1112, 1113, 1122, 1123, 1133, 1222, 1223, 1233, 1333, 2222, 2223, etc patterns are played. 
  
  Patterns 0000 to 0333 make up 71.8% of the total combinations. (We automatically eliminate roughly 28% of the total combinations)
  Therefore, we only have the possibility of hitting one of those 71.8% using single digit number 1 as a key. 
  
  As the numbers increase there is a smaller percentage in play. 
  If we use 10 as the key, where 10 is our lowest number in every combination, we eliminate 71.8% of the total combinations and play 28%. 
  If we use 20, the percentage goes down more. 
  And 30 if goes to the lowest possible. 
  
  It's not a argument of good, bad, or otherwise. Its a mathematical fact since we can't have a single digit number without a 0 in the front digit pattern. 
  And that leave us, at the most with 71.8% falling short of dr san's 80% requirement. 
  
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• garyo1954

  

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  Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Dec 11, 2021

  The question is whether anything will work 80% of the time. 
  
  I'm saying wheels won't. Nothing wrong with the good and bad points,  but we're talking real numbers, the percentage of coverage possible using 1 as a key digit. 
  
  Okay, if you use 1 as the key digit, which gives us the biggest range to play with, the largest coverage you can get is 71.8%. And that is only if we wheel every number with one, i.e, playing every possible combination. 
  
  The reason that's true is anytime we use 1, or any single digit as the key, no combination can have a front digit pattern without a 0 (zero). In a four ball game all patterns larger than 0333 are eliminated. That means no 1111, 1112, 1113, 1122, 1123, 1133, 1222, 1223, 1233, 1333, 2222, 2223, etc patterns are played. 
  
  Patterns 0000 to 0333 make up 71.8% of the total combinations. (We automatically eliminate roughly 28% of the total combinations)
  Therefore, we only have the possibility of hitting one of those 71.8% using single digit number 1 as a key. 
  
  As the numbers increase there is a smaller percentage in play. 
  If we use 10 as the key, where 10 is our lowest number in every combination, we eliminate 71.8% of the total combinations and play 28%. 
  If we use 20, the percentage goes down more. 
  And 30 if goes to the lowest possible. 
  
  It's not a argument of good, bad, or otherwise. Its a mathematical fact since we can't have a single digit number without a 0 in the front digit pattern. 
  And that leave us, at the most with 71.8% falling short of dr san's 80% requirement. 
  
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  Rereading that it needs some clarification. I used 1 since it give the largest range. I should have been more clear that using 1 is not going to allow 71.8% coverage in itself. So my bad. 
  
  To cover 71.8% you'd have to play every combination of 1 to 9 (37410) in a 4/35. 
  
  To cover every possible 1 you would play 5984 combinations (11.4%) . 
  
  Hopefully that clarifies those points. 
  
  In any case, these are the number of combinations that can be made.....(number on the left column; front digit pattern across)
  Here every number is available it just can't be in the staring position.

  Digit	0	1	2	3	11	12	13	22	23	33	111	112	113	122	123	133	222	223	233	333
  1	56	280	280	168	360	800	480	360	480	120	120	450	270	450	600	150	120	270	150	20
  2	35	210	210	126	315	700	420	315	420	105	120	450	270	450	600	150	120	270	150	20
  3	20	150	150	90	270	600	360	270	360	90	120	450	270	450	600	150	120	270	150	20
  4	10	100	100	60	225	500	300	225	300	75	120	450	270	450	600	150	120	270	150	20
  5	4	60	60	36	180	400	240	180	240	60	120	450	270	450	600	150	120	270	150	20
  6	1	30	30	18	135	300	180	135	180	45	120	450	270	450	600	150	120	270	150	20
  7	0	10	10	6	90	200	120	90	120	30	120	450	270	450	600	150	120	270	150	20
  8	0	0	0	0	45	100	60	45	60	15	120	450	270	450	600	150	120	270	150	20
  9	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	120	450	270	450	600	150	120	270	150	20

   Starting with lowest number 10....
  Here we eliminate all the single digits.

  1111	1112	1113	1122	1123	1133	1222	1223	1233	1333
  10	84	360	216	405	540	135	120	270	150	20
  11	56	280	168	360	480	120	120	270	150	20
  12	35	210	126	315	420	105	120	270	150	20
  13	20	150	90	270	360	90	120	270	150	20
  14	10	100	60	225	300	75	120	270	150	20
  15	4	60	36	180	240	60	120	270	150	20
  16	1	30	18	135	180	45	120	270	150	20
  17	0	10	6	90	120	30	120	270	150	20
  18	0	0	0	45	60	15	120	270	150	20
  19	0	0	0	0	0	0	120	270	150	20

   

  Starting with lowest number 20...
  Here all the numbers 1 to 19 are eliminated.

  2222	2223	2233	2333	2222	2223	2233	2333
  20	84	216	135	20	84	216	135	20
  21	56	168	120	20	56	168	120	20
  22	35	126	105	20	35	126	105	20
  23	20	90	90	20	20	90	90	20
  24	10	60	75	20	10	60	75	20
  25	4	36	60	20	4	36	60	20
  26	1	18	45	20	1	18	45	20
  27	0	6	30	20	0	6	30	20
  28	0	0	15	20	0	0	15	20
  29	0	0	0	20	0	0	0	20

   

  There are 15 total combinations starting at 30.
  
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  Here is a lotto experiment where they used SmartLuck GH.

  http://john-solitude.blogspot.com/2013/03/taverne-lautrec-lotto-experiment.html
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  Here is a lotto experiment where they used SmartLuck GH.

  http://john-solitude.blogspot.com/2013/03/taverne-lautrec-lotto-experiment.html

  Interesting. Assuming "crosses" are the same as "hits" in the States. 
  
  Couple of things stand out.......
  
  "This is an experiment with real bets by real players to compare whether a probability program manages to make the winnings higher than randomly choosing combinations."
  
  Are they telling us that GH Advantage Gold is a probability program? (Guess that confirms its....uh......different......from prob-a-babbility)
  
  I also liked the caution:
  
  "Using the Advantage Gold program to dial numbers is NOT a guarantee that the jackpot will be won. At most, there is just a little more chance of winning than randomly choosing combinations."
  
  "....a little more chance......," well, you can't have everything unless you use 100%, right all the time, proba-a-babbility. Then you can claim your numbers are right and the lottery is wrong! 
  
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  You must read part 2. http://john-solitude.blogspot.com/2013/11/hoe-de-lotto-winnen-deel-2.html

  I for my part, continued playing and changing my numbers arranged in my typed key wheels.
  At some point I was tired of the payouts and the price. I picked it up again when they introduced the 1+R payback. (...) I stopped playing my >20 lines.
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  I only used VBA in Excel. When someone asked, I had to tell them to try commercial software like for example SL. There is other software, somehow people often find SL. ...
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  There is a link to another page.

  One of the points was that never any combination was drawn more than once in the entire game history.

  Let me check with the 6/45 without the reserveball.

  Minima: 397 420 131 11 0 0 0 (scores 0 to 6)
  Maxima: 494 523 204 42 7 1 0  (scores 0 to 6)

  So, no, that didn't happen and there are over 8 million combinations plus only just over 1000 drawings.

  The maximum match was 1*5/6. 

  How many combinations would you eliminate? 1107, if you decided to apply that filter!
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  Máxima is the wife of king Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands.
  Maxima is an open source program for mathematics.
  Maxima ... ...