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Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Nov 8, 2020
Imagine this. One of your loved ones are seriously hurt or injured and are in an ambulance. You are there with them. Seconds count. I'm talking life or death serious. The siren is blasting, lights flashing.
Every car is getting out of the way to let the ambulance by. All of a sudden the ambulance comes to a stop. Protesters blocking the road won't let it through. Now they have to turn around and go 20 minutes out of their way. Three minutes from the hospital they die. The doctors tell you, if they had gotten here 10 minutes sooner they could have saved them.
Would you still feel the same?
I take it you talking about a singular group of people- those marching on the streets & protesting- No, l would not like that. That question could also be turned around if an ambulance was on the freeway & those protesters in trucks & vehicles were more interested in boxing in that bus instead of calling off their shenanigans & letting the ambulance through. What l am saying G is : Two wrongs do not make a right. In Trump we had a leader telling his supports to " stand down & stand by. "
What if Trump said " To War" - would his supporters have taken to the streets armed & ready to shoot? Can you answer that G?
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Quote: Originally posted by Long Odds on Nov 8, 2020
No doubt, Joe Biden was in charge of his campaign the whole time- believe that and I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Every one of us has known someone that has gone through mental decline, either age-related or much more sadly, early unset Alzheimer's or dementia. Not one of us would promote that person to a position of great relevance, either in their personal or public life. You believe what you want but I'll believe my lying eyes. How long before we are gifted with President Kamala Harris? My money's on the nearer as opposed to longer term. Even the haters have to admire the honesty of Trump- he said repeatedly during the campaign, if I lose to sleepy Joe, I will lose to the worst presidential candidate in history; well, here we are.
...and how about Strom Thurmond who was 100 years of age, in office. No one questioned his mental capabilities, or did they?
*How about Jesse Held, or Robert Bird.
*How about the present crop of Senators on the hill: Mitch is 78, same age as Biden, snitch has never been challenged for his position that l can think of, so how is it Mitch succeeds but Biden fails, take your time to answer.
*How About Chuck Grassley who still serves- a whopping 87 years of age.
*So please do go one..
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Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 8, 2020
I take it you talking about a singular group of people- those marching on the streets & protesting- No, l would not like that. That question could also be turned around if an ambulance was on the freeway & those protesters in trucks & vehicles were more interested in boxing in that bus instead of calling off their shenanigans & letting the ambulance through. What l am saying G is : Two wrongs do not make a right. In Trump we had a leader telling his supports to " stand down & stand by. "
What if Trump said " To War" - would his supporters have taken to the streets armed & ready to shoot? Can you answer that G?
We've already seen who has gone "to war." It sure wasn't Trump supporters breaking windows, stealing every thing they could get their hands on, burning down stores and businesses, beating people up, spray painting buildings, attacking the police etc.
Nope, not a MAGA hat wearer among them.
You won't see any of that if they give the election to Biden, but if they give it to Trump it's guaranteed to happen. So much for the "peaceful transition" the dems are always talking about.
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Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Nov 8, 2020
We've already seen who has gone "to war." It sure wasn't Trump supporters breaking windows, stealing every thing they could get their hands on, burning down stores and businesses, beating people up, spray painting buildings, attacking the police etc.
Nope, not a MAGA hat wearer among them.
You won't see any of that if they give the election to Biden, but if they give it to Trump it's guaranteed to happen. So much for the "peaceful transition" the dems are always talking about.
You being evasive G. Biden has at no time told rioters to destroy property etc etc. Trump on the otherhand has told his folk to throw certain people out of his rallies & they did. So, would his supporters take up arms & storm the streets? A militia guy sitting on a chair across from a polling place, fully suited up with a sidearm was carted off for voter intimidation, now l wonder where he got his directions from, can you guess? Back to my question- It's a yes or no answer.
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Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 8, 2020
...and how about Strom Thurmond who was 100 years of age, in office. No one questioned his mental capabilities, or did they?
*How about Jesse Held, or Robert Bird.
*How about the present crop of Senators on the hill: Mitch is 78, same age as Biden, snitch has never been challenged for his position that l can think of, so how is it Mitch succeeds but Biden fails, take your time to answer.
*How About Chuck Grassley who still serves- a whopping 87 years of age.
*So please do go one..
It's hypocrisy when people say though they are the same age Joe is too old, but Mitch isn't and ignore that Mitch might be suffering from dementia when he thought he was running against Alison lundergan Grimes. And considering their "hero" told his followers the U.S. "was turning the corner on Covid-19" as the entire country was setting records for the number of cases, dementia claims are everywhere you look. Don't forget his Democrat hoax that has killed almost 240,000 Americans.
Instead of just acknowledging almost 5 million more voters wanted a change in leadership, we get to hear about baseless fraud claims. But again it's the same old hypocrisy saying the fraud was only in "blue" states but none in the "red" states.
Seriously does anyone really believe Trump did the "great job" he claimed he did handling the pandemic?
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Nov 8, 2020
It's hypocrisy when people say though they are the same age Joe is too old, but Mitch isn't and ignore that Mitch might be suffering from dementia when he thought he was running against Alison lundergan Grimes. And considering their "hero" told his followers the U.S. "was turning the corner on Covid-19" as the entire country was setting records for the number of cases, dementia claims are everywhere you look. Don't forget his Democrat hoax that has killed almost 240,000 Americans.
Instead of just acknowledging almost 5 million more voters wanted a change in leadership, we get to hear about baseless fraud claims. But again it's the same old hypocrisy saying the fraud was only in "blue" states but none in the "red" states.
Seriously does anyone really believe Trump did the "great job" he claimed he did handling the pandemic?
The thing that gets me is l did not hear Biden says " fraud" in any of the States Trump was leading in, not one. The guy simply forgot that Biden preached " mail your ballots in" & ultimately those are the votes that got him over the top. Now you have Rudy crying foul.
A woman on TV tied to the Trump campaign said something like " Trump appointed 3 judges to the Supreme Court, Amy will step up & do justice to this outcome. That's the thinking out there that the American people's vote should be ignored because these judges are in Trump's pocket.
Saying this election & it's results means it's not over is like saying " Covid-19 never made it to our shores."
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Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 8, 2020
The office of the President is one of High Moral caliber. When Clinton tainted it, l thought he deserved to be called on it. In your and other Trump supporter's world, the rules do not apply to Trump. Let's go through some of the stuff that should have disqualified him from the get go.
Demeaning Senator McCain, calling people losers & derogatory terms to females, attacks on the handicap persons, so please do not stand on your freaking high horse & tell me he was in it for America. He was in it for himself. This call for absolute loyalty from people within his WH, is nonsense. It's one thing to admire a person, but please- l saw Paula White on TV supposedly " talking in tongues" asking Angels from Africa & South America to come to Trump aid in winning the election, really? Trump tried running the country like a business & people saw through it.
As for being hounded 24/7- that distinction goes to Bill Clinton, and by extension- Hillary. How many hearing were conducted for Benhgazi-10? How about Whitewater? Everyone loses, and to think Trump was above that is a joke.If there is one thing his Presidency has shown us, is that this country is deeply divided & the racists along with their bile surfaced during his tenure in office. God help America.
It's clear by your posts that you are a victim of the source of your news and you have the inability to discern information for yourself. You regurgitate absolute falsehoods as facts and are quite indignant while doing so. Your baseline of understanding is false and everything you try to build off of that is by extension false. What is truly galling about someone with the hatred you spew is you throw totally innocuous and unrelated circumstances into the mix as if to establish credibility for yourself: look how fair I am, I found Clinton committing sexual harassment of a teenage intern a taint of the office of the presidency (and then two paragraphs later defend the Clintons in some strange fashion); you're really out on a limb on that one, a President sexually abusing a teenage intern- what moral clarity you display. Not buying your "fairness" as it is belied by the hatred and lies you otherwise spew.
Senator McCain- like all of us- has a rich and diverse history. Truly big balls and honorable as a prisoner of war- not many could have withstood that torture. But also proudly took credit for propagating the totally false Steele Dossier stating, "you're <snip> right I brought the information to the FBI (from an overseas source) as it was my duty as a patriot." He was a typical, Washington insider, swamp creature, Trump hating Republican in this regard. You think people should be hands off from criticism because one aspect of their life is honorable while other aspects are quite dishonorable. Not the way it works if we are going to have fair, open and honest discussions. His deciding no vote on the defeat of the ACA, walking up to the center of the room and turning his thumb down was a hideous act by a Senator and was reflective of his personal animus of Trump and not reflective of his role as a representative of the people (an act since duplicated by all democrats when voting no on Justice Barrett before individually walking out of the Senate chamber- yeah, true examples of the augustness of that body, what a joke).
The one thing Biden was most animated about during the entirety of his campaign, really the only thing that seemed to have real passion about coursing through his body, was his claim that Trump called white supremacists in Charlottesville fine people. It is an absolute lie- the transcripts of everything Trump has said on the issue are available to all to read for themselves. Go ahead and twist yourself into a pretzel to come up with Trump is a racist but honest discernment doesn't support your lies.
Calling people losers- I presume you mean the total BS comments a single anonymous source attributed to him outside of Paris in 2018- has been fully discredited by all credible sources and yet you keep the lie alive.
Trump attacks females, handicap persons, etc. and that is disqualifying. Of course some of your premise is totally misguided but Trump does attack a lot of people (as if everyone else in politics doesn't do the same; truly some of the most despicable people one could come across). If we do believe that we are all equal under God and under the law, why is it that you think some people are in a protected class and can't be attacked when in the political realm? You credit his attacks against them as a result of their being in some sort of protected class when in reality he doesn't distinguish when attacking others- that truly is treating everyone as equals (may not be treating everyone well, but is treating everyone as equals).
As to Benghazi- you've got to be kidding. Ambassador Stevens makes numerous pleas for protection of the Libyan Embassy and Hillary's State Department doesn't act. The attack comes on September 11 anniversary no less. Heck, our local school districts are on high alert on September 11 anniversaries (as well as April 20 Columbine anniversary and maybe others) yet her State Department doesn't have the foresight to have all hands on deck protection of every US embassy, especially for those for which there was credible intel as to an impending attack. And yet you portray Hillary as a victim of unfair attacks in this regard.
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Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 8, 2020
You being evasive G. Biden has at no time told rioters to destroy property etc etc. Trump on the otherhand has told his folk to throw certain people out of his rallies & they did. So, would his supporters take up arms & storm the streets? A militia guy sitting on a chair across from a polling place, fully suited up with a sidearm was carted off for voter intimidation, now l wonder where he got his directions from, can you guess? Back to my question- It's a yes or no answer.
I answered your question in my last post. You said Biden didn't tell people to riot and he didn't. But he never said anything to condemn it either, so did he condone it?
Yeah, I am sure that Trump personally told that guy to go to the polling place and scare people.
Let me show you what a Biden rally looks like. And this is the guy you want running the country? C'mon man. What is he going to do when making a speech to world leaders?
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Quote: Originally posted by Long Odds on Nov 8, 2020
It's clear by your posts that you are a victim of the source of your news and you have the inability to discern information for yourself. You regurgitate absolute falsehoods as facts and are quite indignant while doing so. Your baseline of understanding is false and everything you try to build off of that is by extension false. What is truly galling about someone with the hatred you spew is you throw totally innocuous and unrelated circumstances into the mix as if to establish credibility for yourself: look how fair I am, I found Clinton committing sexual harassment of a teenage intern a taint of the office of the presidency (and then two paragraphs later defend the Clintons in some strange fashion); you're really out on a limb on that one, a President sexually abusing a teenage intern- what moral clarity you display. Not buying your "fairness" as it is belied by the hatred and lies you otherwise spew.
Senator McCain- like all of us- has a rich and diverse history. Truly big balls and honorable as a prisoner of war- not many could have withstood that torture. But also proudly took credit for propagating the totally false Steele Dossier stating, "you're <snip> right I brought the information to the FBI (from an overseas source) as it was my duty as a patriot." He was a typical, Washington insider, swamp creature, Trump hating Republican in this regard. You think people should be hands off from criticism because one aspect of their life is honorable while other aspects are quite dishonorable. Not the way it works if we are going to have fair, open and honest discussions. His deciding no vote on the defeat of the ACA, walking up to the center of the room and turning his thumb down was a hideous act by a Senator and was reflective of his personal animus of Trump and not reflective of his role as a representative of the people (an act since duplicated by all democrats when voting no on Justice Barrett before individually walking out of the Senate chamber- yeah, true examples of the augustness of that body, what a joke).
The one thing Biden was most animated about during the entirety of his campaign, really the only thing that seemed to have real passion about coursing through his body, was his claim that Trump called white supremacists in Charlottesville fine people. It is an absolute lie- the transcripts of everything Trump has said on the issue are available to all to read for themselves. Go ahead and twist yourself into a pretzel to come up with Trump is a racist but honest discernment doesn't support your lies.
Calling people losers- I presume you mean the total BS comments a single anonymous source attributed to him outside of Paris in 2018- has been fully discredited by all credible sources and yet you keep the lie alive.
Trump attacks females, handicap persons, etc. and that is disqualifying. Of course some of your premise is totally misguided but Trump does attack a lot of people (as if everyone else in politics doesn't do the same; truly some of the most despicable people one could come across). If we do believe that we are all equal under God and under the law, why is it that you think some people are in a protected class and can't be attacked when in the political realm? You credit his attacks against them as a result of their being in some sort of protected class when in reality he doesn't distinguish when attacking others- that truly is treating everyone as equals (may not be treating everyone well, but is treating everyone as equals).
As to Benghazi- you've got to be kidding. Ambassador Stevens makes numerous pleas for protection of the Libyan Embassy and Hillary's State Department doesn't act. The attack comes on September 11 anniversary no less. Heck, our local school districts are on high alert on September 11 anniversaries (as well as April 20 Columbine anniversary and maybe others) yet her State Department doesn't have the foresight to have all hands on deck protection of every US embassy, especially for those for which there was credible intel as to an impending attack. And yet you portray Hillary as a victim of unfair attacks in this regard.
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You got your lunch handed to you plain and simple. As for your long narratives- its like Dr Suess said " l see your mouth moving, but you not saying anything."
The difference between you and l is, l did not vote for either person. Thing is, in your world, everything works to perfection & their in lies the missteps. Back in Clinton's year, the entire message was " Character matters" that is what you & your ilk ran on, that is what got Bill impeached.
Fast forward to our times, and those things no longer matter, instead you have the republicans and may l add religious leaders walking in lockstep with a person who demeans people at every turn, and they say Nothing. I find it laughable that some have said Trump was chosen by God to lead America, really? That his actions of restoring the embassy means the Messiah will arrive, that putting certain judges on the SCOTUS is God's will.
Listen up: Hitler sent 6,000 Jews a day to the gas chambers and God did not intervene then. If ever there was a time he should, it would have been then, so what does that tell you, that man's plans are not God's plans, but will you and others listen, l think not.
It's like l said, you got your lunch handed to you.
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Nov 8, 2020
It's hypocrisy when people say though they are the same age Joe is too old, but Mitch isn't and ignore that Mitch might be suffering from dementia when he thought he was running against Alison lundergan Grimes. And considering their "hero" told his followers the U.S. "was turning the corner on Covid-19" as the entire country was setting records for the number of cases, dementia claims are everywhere you look. Don't forget his Democrat hoax that has killed almost 240,000 Americans.
Instead of just acknowledging almost 5 million more voters wanted a change in leadership, we get to hear about baseless fraud claims. But again it's the same old hypocrisy saying the fraud was only in "blue" states but none in the "red" states.
Seriously does anyone really believe Trump did the "great job" he claimed he did handling the pandemic?
Oh my God, another one that just perpetuates lies as facts. Stack47 and noise-gate- two dolts that are indistinguishable from one another.
Trump didn't call the Wuhan virus (as it was called by everyone in real time in January but somehow later became a slur attributed to Trump) a hoax, he called the democrats attributing the virus entering the US as his failure a hoax; again, you can read the transcripts for yourself and eliminate the news source filters that otherwise mislead you. The only one acting to protect America in real time was President Trump- all while undergoing a wholly fraudulent impeachment trial.
Yes, I do believe the Trump administration has done a good job handling the pandemic. Herky jerky, imperfect, at times confusing but effective in full context. One would have to offer an alternative as to what should have been done to have no COVID-19 cases or deaths in the US but of course no one has yet to do that, or can; is that something you can offer to us?, please share if you do. Of course, it would be even more credible (and amazing) if one would have done it as it was occurring. No one did, in fact many did the exact opposite, including the vaunted Fauci- look up his earliest comments as the pandemic unfolded. You, and your fellow haters, offer wholly false revisionist history. One would also have to point to the country that was unaffected by the virus and the steps they took that were missed by the Trump administration. (Apparently South Korea and Taiwan come as close to handling the virus "well"; if true, I would attribute that to their preparedness given their greater knowledge of the potential of China to allow this to occur as they more clearly understand the threat of the CCP. One could argue that the US should have been similarly knowledgeable but that is countered by "official" Washington creatures, many of them beholden to CCP money and influence).
I was truly impressed at the first Rose Garden event as the Pence task force kicked into action; you may recall that many at the helm of major US companies were present and it was disclosed as to the forming Public-Private partnerships and garnering of all forces to respond to the pandemic. I live in NY; we were treated to Gov. Cuomo pleading like a little baby in his earliest press events- send me ventilators; I need equipment; I need hospital beds; I received 4,000 ventilators from the federal government but I need 40,000, you tell the other 36,000 that are going to die, not me. And of course, as soon as Trump indicated he was going to be the lead force (and decider in chief to borrow a phrase), everyone squealed that ours was a Federalist system of government and the president had no authority to tell states what to do.
Every country in the world has had to deal with the coronavirus pandemic unleashed against the world by China yet you blame Trump for its impact in the US. You must not hold a position of importance in your life, nor can noise-gate, as you display no ability to think independent of the lies you are fed and accept as fact.
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Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 8, 2020
You got your lunch handed to you plain and simple. As for your long narratives- its like Dr Suess said " l see your mouth moving, but you not saying anything."
The difference between you and l is, l did not vote for either person. Thing is, in your world, everything works to perfection & their in lies the missteps. Back in Clinton's year, the entire message was " Character matters" that is what you & your ilk ran on, that is what got Bill impeached.
Fast forward to our times, and those things no longer matter, instead you have the republicans and may l add religious leaders walking in lockstep with a person who demeans people at every turn, and they say Nothing. I find it laughable that some have said Trump was chosen by God to lead America, really? That his actions of restoring the embassy means the Messiah will arrive, that putting certain judges on the SCOTUS is God's will.
Listen up: Hitler sent 6,000 Jews a day to the gas chambers and God did not intervene then. If ever there was a time he should, it would have been then, so what does that tell you, that man's plans are not God's plans, but will you and others listen, l think not.
It's like l said, you got your lunch handed to you.
My lunch? Again your baseline of understanding is so warped that every thought that follows is warped. I have no dog in the fight. I'm not lockstep with anyone. I idolize no one. I preferred the outsider candidate Trump over the swamp creature Biden and the swamp creature Clinton (and the swamp creatures McConnell, Pelosi, Ryan, Boehner, Reid, Schumer, et al.). Washington is corrupt and I thought we needed an outsider as a reset. The swamp is wide and deep and reclaimed power after four years of an outsider. I believe the country is in real trouble and think any break up of the ruling class is our only hope.
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Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Nov 8, 2020
I answered your question in my last post. You said Biden didn't tell people to riot and he didn't. But he never said anything to condemn it either, so did he condone it?
Yeah, I am sure that Trump personally told that guy to go to the polling place and scare people.
Let me show you what a Biden rally looks like. And this is the guy you want running the country? C'mon man. What is he going to do when making a speech to world leaders?
First thing: Biden was not President, did he carry weight,l think telling people what to do would have been met with skepticism, after all, he was not in charge of the country, he will by come Jan. Second thing: Anything Biden will say as President, will be a far cry from what Trump said. By the way, there are lots of doctored video's out there saying things Biden did not say. They had their run & they all failed.
Third thing: Biden is not " My Guy" he is now America's guy. Get used to it, if America's guy does not do a good job, in 4 years time vote him out. It's really that simple.
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Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Nov 8, 2020
You got your lunch handed to you plain and simple. As for your long narratives- its like Dr Suess said " l see your mouth moving, but you not saying anything."
The difference between you and l is, l did not vote for either person. Thing is, in your world, everything works to perfection & their in lies the missteps. Back in Clinton's year, the entire message was " Character matters" that is what you & your ilk ran on, that is what got Bill impeached.
Fast forward to our times, and those things no longer matter, instead you have the republicans and may l add religious leaders walking in lockstep with a person who demeans people at every turn, and they say Nothing. I find it laughable that some have said Trump was chosen by God to lead America, really? That his actions of restoring the embassy means the Messiah will arrive, that putting certain judges on the SCOTUS is God's will.
Listen up: Hitler sent 6,000 Jews a day to the gas chambers and God did not intervene then. If ever there was a time he should, it would have been then, so what does that tell you, that man's plans are not God's plans, but will you and others listen, l think not.
It's like l said, you got your lunch handed to you.
As for your long narratives- its like Dr Suess said " l see your mouth moving, but you not saying anything."
You're inability to read a couple of paragraphs and stay focused is on you, it's not on me. More likely, you are under the false impression that you know everything and therefore have nothing to gain by reading a counter thought. You learn more from people that think just as you do, or from those that have thoughts different from yours?; my guess is that you operate under the former and know it all already- as a result you display that you know very little. Open your mind; close mindedness never got anyone anywhere.
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Quote: Originally posted by Long Odds on Nov 8, 2020
My lunch? Again your baseline of understanding is so warped that every thought that follows is warped. I have no dog in the fight. I'm not lockstep with anyone. I idolize no one. I preferred the outsider candidate Trump over the swamp creature Biden and the swamp creature Clinton (and the swamp creatures McConnell, Pelosi, Ryan, Boehner, Reid, Schumer, et al.). Washington is corrupt and I thought we needed an outsider as a reset. The swamp is wide and deep and reclaimed power after four years of an outsider. I believe the country is in real trouble and think any break up of the ruling class is our only hope.
Why are you here then, Trump lost so what you complaining about?
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