Why is keno so hard to win?

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This game should seemingly be beaten the hell out of by folks on this site.Even when looking at past draws, a baby can eyeball number frequency yet so many of us can't consistently get above a match 6.

Why is this game so difficult?...anyone have any tips?Sure it's one of those games you can improve your hit ratio,but I play it to beat it.

MmeFlorida's avatar - lemons5

The odds of the 10/80 Keno games are about  1 in 9 million.. not that great , one of the worst to play in Vegas or any casino. The number pool is so large. The 10/70 Canadian Keno odds are about 1 in 3 million

 - compared to a take 5 game-  the odds are about 1 in 300,000 and  there is a 4/44-1/22 game in Florida called Mega Money, for example,  and the odds are 1 in 3 million, people win this one every few draws

Once you think you have a pattern, it can change. In the few years that I actually played this game in NY, I think I've seen maybe 3 Jackpot winners- I have tried to find 30 Key numbers and wheel them, but the most I ever actually won was $300 a few times ( 8 numbers in NY)

I too and trying to beat the odds as well!!! Good Luck

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In response to MmeFlorida

1 in 3 mil eh...that's staggering.I never took the time to research the odds because I assumed the game was tangible.Would've never guessed the odds were that bad.It just seems so insultive to get match zero and get a "sympathetic" $2...... Kinda like the lottery saying "..since you suck today,we'll feel bad for you and give you a parting gift.   sheesh


I have been primarily playing the NY Pick 10 Keno for many months now.  Regardless of the stated odds, and few number of winners,  I think for the difficulty, the Jackpot Prize ($500,000) is pretty good.  I think it is the best game in NY.  I used to think the NY Take 5 was the best, but the draws are as confounding as can be.  I will win that one sooner or later regardless.

I use a  number of strategies (I call my blend system) with my approach (and are always developing new ones) to this and all lottery games.  Keno is a very interesting game history to analyze...and gives you an opportunity to utilize approaches you would not be able to use with most other games.

In NY, we get a $4 prize for totally bombing out and getting no numbers.

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In response to MmeFlorida

1 in 9 million - for one game.

Play 9 games and it's 1 in 1 million.

Play 18 games.... and so on....

I'd play 'quarter keno' and play a pick 6 or pick 8 for $5 (20 games) or $10 (40 games), pick my numbers, leave, stop in any Keno parlor a few hours later and have your ticket checked...  The payout is 1/4 the normal one, but it's cheaper to play.

Think's avatar - lightbulb

Heck, look at the Michigan nightly Keno.  The odds are listed as 2,546,000 to 1 or something close to that.  Very few people have won since Michigan switched the drawings from ball drawings to computer drawings.  Every winner,  who has sent a private message to me on LP,  won their top Michigan Keno prize back when actuall ball drawings were held.


i have to agree, i like the balls more than electronic, especially in Keno.


Have any of you seen the movie Predator 1 with Arnold Schwazzanneger, Jessi Ventura and the rest? Remember how that Alien was dificult to see and how they sometimes thought they saw it just to find out it wasn't there...Well that's exactly what keno is....

Keno is "the demon who makes trophies of man" is "el diablo cazador de hombres" like how they say it in the movie...


You may think you may see a pattern in keno for later to dissappear in front of your eyes just like the predator in the movie...

The ONLY chance to beat keno that you might get is through HOT & COLD NUMBERS....By using the cold numbers only...Or by geniusly using a mixture of hot and cold numbers in 1 specific ratio and applying filters and this idea is a little far fetch....

Keno may have 1 in 9 milllion odds but it sure has the appearance of 5 MegaMillions in disguise...And that's to the ignorant who don't know anything about lottery...

I tell people here that there is a lottery game that uses 10 balls and they cringe at the idea...

is suffice to say that no lottery software in existence in the world is EQUIP OR PREPARED for keno...NONE...


that' very true pumpi, but somtimes patterns do show up. Example, double repeats will triple, i've seen 6 / 6 and less do this, so simply playing those every day in 1 ticket and waiting may bring some money.

johnph77's avatar - avatar

Keno isn't necessarily that hard to win. But, since fewer people play the game, the top prize winners aren't always given media attention.

The game is played with different matrices in different areas, altering the odds of winning. As an example, in its most popular form, 20 numbers are drawn from a pool of 80 numbers. The odds of hitting 10 of 10 in this game are 1::8.911,711.18. The Michigan Daily Drawing game draws 22 numbers from an 80 number pool - the odds of hitting 10 of 10 in this game are 1::2,546,203.19. Eastern Canada and some European countries draw 20 numbers from a 70 number pool - the odds of hitting 10 of 10 in this game are 1::2,147,180.74.

The odds of hitting 10 of 10 in almost any Keno game are far better than hitting the PowerBall or MegaMillions jackpot.

In response to pumpi76

"The ONLY chance to beat keno that you might get is through HOT & COLD NUMBERS....By using the cold numbers only...Or by geniusly using a mixture of hot and cold numbers in 1 specific ratio and applying filters and this idea is a little far fetch...."

I feel we must find a way to beat keno because then we will be prepared for the Global Lottery...

Using Hot numbers alone will not work...Using cold numbers alone will work but you have to mix them with ending digits....But better results will be to use a mixture of hot & cold numbers in a specified ratio in a wheel, along with TNTea 2-2-1 type also a ratio in a wheel all mixed together intertwined....And also have them in a specified ratio....Not only that but if you want to winKeno consistently you will have to be a heck of a sum predictor, something a little quite hard yet not 100% hard because since is a Pick10/80 the sums range is going to be very, very wide and you can eliminate the previous history sums from a sample...And right now there is no software equip for such game, because the latest technology is but the problem with is that even though you can customize your software the way you want it the programmers do not know anything about wheels....This is why there isn't no software in the world equip for keno or for a Global Lottery....

And if you integrate this systems in a semi-supercomputer along with powerful algorithms used as a constraints speciall in the specified sum, you might be able to win Keno over and over and a global lottery...

And that depends if you are playing keno for the challenge like the way i would do or if you are playing Keno for money, because if you are playing keno for money the best way is to try and crack pick4, if you can crack pick4 you can crack most lottery games and become a billionaire in 2 years...If you are going for the Global Lottery you will have to wait for years to pass by since it is played once a year and that will pose a problem...So depends what you are playing Keno for...For the Challenge or for the money....


Gail Howards software does keno nicely lots of stats etc


Trying these for Oct 21 2008 for Ontario keno 20/70



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In response to vick

OK vick

I went with "51 55 56 2 26 40 47 15 16 39"..second from bottom row for 7 days out of curiosity



Thanks for peppin me up guys.....looks like I got a better chance hitting a pick4 str8 3 days in a row than hit all ten in keno in a lifetime   lol


a good algorithm for Keno will be the difference between 1 number and the order that same number has on the drawing whether it moves left or right...For example if 2 is the first number and on the following drawing 4 plays and is the first number, then that 2 moves to the right 2 spots...You do this with all 10 or 20 numbers and you notice that all 10/20 numbers may not move to the right but perhaps half of them will move to the left, or 3 out of 10 will move to the right the rest to the left....But again a computer will have to do it....

In keno i don't even know if you can use wheel for them...A Pick6 wheel will come out to a very large number, a pick10 wheel i can imagine...

Last time i heard they were offering Keno every 4 minutes can't remember where...There is no chance against a game that plays every 4 minutes...

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