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Does God really hate gambling?

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Really, does he? if so, why? does he make any exceptions? thanks

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God's son Jesus was crucified in front of gambling roman soldiers.  So I would think that he definitely has an opinion on gambling.

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Sin is sin but there are so

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Haha, what is wrong with

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God might

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I like your answer Percy sin is sin  but what so you do when your money funds are low    The question is are we spending our money wisely    not neglecting our bills before buying the tickets    I would  never  go to Vegas cause  the machines can be addictive    but we should be able to show some control when buying tickets

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Certain christians [religions] believe certain things. I know some Christians that think everything is evil. Some stretch adultry to thinking about women (men) in an unclean way (even if you are single), and masturbation (which scientists say is healthy, and helps prdvent prostate cancer). I could give many more examples that could probably start a war.



I think it comes down to what you think is right. I gamble/play lottery occasionally. I see nothing wrong with it. It hasn't controlled my life, made me poor, or taken me down an evil path. Everything in moderation.

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I'll send him/her an email. Anyone know the address. I hope she/he won't treat it as spam.

Colin

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Quote:Originally posted by king on June 29, 2004







I like your answer Percy sin is sin  but what so you do when your money funds are low   







turn to God, not away from him...

i can see why people get desperate and "chase" an answer, but it doesn't have to be so.  if there is a God, then there is NEVER a time where turning to "sin" is appropriate in order to fill your needs.  if you place your trust in him, you will wait and be rewarded thusly (but maybe not in the way that you think).  if you jump the gun and do things contrary to Gods laws of provision, they will dventually amount to something less desireable then what God offers if you are patient (possibly ruining your life as well).  the patient are few and far between and why it is such a much sought after attitude of people by God.  those people have peace.....that is thier "reward".

if you care at all what God thinks,  you will always go to him first, not as a last line of "defense".  then you should be satisfied with his answer and upcoming way of provision.  unfortunately, alot of people when they are not happy with the "answer",  become desperate and pursue all kinds of things that are not from God in order to fill that desperation.  a person who truly knows God and has experience with him ........refuses to act in a desperate way. they will call upon his faithfulness from past experience and await further instructions on "how" that need will be met.  they also realize that God IS thier provision.

to some, this is a reminder to re-focus.  to others, i am speaking a foreign language.

you take into consideration what you do know that pleases him, weigh your conscience against that and then act.  if your conscience bothers you, either it's because  his small still voice is warning you against proceeding further, or you have encountered false man made religious teaching.

as a Christian,  i can remember being told that gambling was a sin.  but lucky for me i have always put a priority on thinking for myself relaizing that one day if there is a God, that i will stand alone before him.  that no one will be able to plead my case and i will never be able to blame anyone else for what i personally believed.  so when my conscience bothered me the first time i bought a lottery ticket when the jackpot was high in calif, i started to wonder "why".  that led me to searching out the "why".  since i am a Christian, i turned to the bible to see what it had to say and lo and behold.......zippo. 

contrary to what i had been told, the bible doesn't directly address gambling (as sin).   however, it does address how we handle our money stating that we should be good stewards over what God has already given us, to not seek to get rich quick but work hard and to be generous toward others no matter how "much" we possess.  over 2,300+ scriptures that deal with "money"....... and how God feels about it.

  it also addresses the conscience of man.  God has placed a conscience in every man/woman and he is fully capable of telling us (if we are willing to listen and obey),  whether we are wasting our time by persuing things that were never meant for our lives.  we get into trouble by placing our hope, trust and "future" in things other than God himself as it is God that holds our very next breath.  God is all about efficientcy.  we are about getting it done now.  those two approaches are polar opposites.

if your conscience bothers you, you should either stop or find out "why".  then if you are told it's a waste of your efforts, then you should stop and await to see what God does have in store for you and how he intends on meeting your need(s) and pursue that avenue.

for me, i pursue it only because i know that it is my destiny some day (it's why i only play 1 quick pick).  as a Christian i do not advocate to anyone that he/she should chase anything but God.........including the lottery.  to me it's a "conscience thing". so if your conscience doesn't bother you.....have at it.  if it does....find out "why" and adjust.

havingvisionisawonderfullthingasitmakeslifelesstroublingandmore"effcient"


 

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I'll send him/her an email. Anyone know the address. I hope she/he won't treat it as spam.

Colin






www.  calluponmeandiwillshowyougreatandmightythingswhichyouknownot .com  <--- (not a real web address)

colin,  you can start here.  "he" won't be confused.  he will recognize it and you will get right thru.  (that is if your motives are pure and your heart is ripe......otherwise it's a waste of breath)

cheers mate...

flying "V"

 

 

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Quote:Originally posted by NoLuckYet on June 29, 2004



 does he make any exceptions?





church raffles?
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Quote:Originally posted by NoLuckYet on June 29, 2004



 does he make any exceptions?





church raffles?






that would depend......

if it was for some special "alone time" with the  priest........no

if it was for a TV so you can watch charlies "angels" .....maybe

if it was to help fund a youth group,  etc.....heck ya

BINGO

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Here's what I found on Bible.com, I don't know if there is any truth to their statements, since I don't read the bible myself, but it's worth taking a look at.  In my opinion, sin is a sin, that is the best way someone could have ever said it.  We sin each day, we probably don't even notice our sins.  If you feel so strongly against gambling, or feel guilty on putting $5.00 on a lottery game, then you probably shouldn't play. 

Jack W. didn't mind to gamble and he is a Christian, and said it was the devils money he had won. But, I am sure his church didn't mind a lump some of the devils money, as to everyone else he had given money too. God's son Jesus died for all of our sins, God forgave everyone because of this. I am sure when it is time for you to go, ask for his forgiveness of all of your sins and you will be forgiven.

You should play responsibly, though, if you are going to play. Play what you can afford.


WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT...GAMBLING?


The Growing Addiction of Gambling


Studies show that lotteries are the favorite legal gambling game for teenagers. Statistically, one of seven who play will become addicted. But teenagers aren't the only ones affected. One out of 10 adults who gamble will become addicted too. In fact, gambling is the fastest growing addiction in America. Like alcoholism and drug addiction, compulsive gambling is costly to the economy. Families are the ones who suffer the most. Many people feel gambling is only a game that is fun, but the Bible tells us this evil is a terrible sin that will lead to poverty.


"He that hasteth to be rich hath an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him" (Proverbs 28:22).


Gambling in our nation is spreading as the number of states operating lotteries has more than doubled since 1980, making them the ultimate "get-rich-quick" schemes. As gambling spreads to more and more states, Christians need to have the Bible's instruction about this money robber. The Bible declares that it is wrong to bet money on the possibility of becoming instantly rich.


"He who oppresses the poor to get gain for himself, and he who gives to the rich will surely come to want" (Proverbs 22:16).


States who legalize lotteries and gambling are oppressing the poor for gain. According to a 1988 study of the Michigan lottery, that state sells the greatest number of tickets in low-income and ethnic neighborhoods in urban areas. Lottery tickets made available in grocery marts and drive-in markets make it easy for people to purchase these "chances to win the big hit." Some spend money on the lottery tickets instead of groceries for their families. Many compulsive gamblers wreck their lives and their families as they are encouraged to risk money that they usually cannot afford to lose. An estimated 15 million people are compulsive gamblers.


The lie that is used to promote this evil in our society is that legalized gambling doesn't promote crime and will lower taxes. Actually just the opposite is true -- gambling promotes other vices which attract the criminal element. This results in higher, not lower taxes as the cost for additional policing must be increased. Indian reservations and the big gambling centers of Las Vegas and Atlantic City are taking in billions of dollars. Casinos rob those who play the games with them as the odds are stacked 80% to 90% in favor of the casino. Even those that do win big on occasion statistics have proven that within two years most winners have totally spent the money they won.


Proverbs 21:20 says, "There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise; but a foolish man spendeth it up."


People who gamble give to the pool of money that composes great wealth. This causes them to give to the rich and as Proverbs 22:16 says "...he who gives to the rich will surely come to want." Our states are also reaping a type of "poverty" where gambling exists because it undermines the American work ethic. The result is lowered productivity, use of work time to gamble, absenteeism, high rates of business failure, and repeated non-payment of loans, mortgages and other financial obligations. Gambling is, to many, a scheme to escape labor.


Some Christians argue that gambling does no harm. However, the scripture is clear that this activity is sinful. Anytime someone is enticed to gain money at someone's else's certain loss, this is definitely not practicing the principals taught by Christ. Also, the practice of gambling takes away from the Bible's principals of economics -- working, saving and giving. Discipline and accountability for spending are ignored. Gambling preys on the weakness of others.


Let me mention here that entering free sweepstakes or drawings are not sinful as they are advertising ploys paid for by the sponsors. They use these to advertise their products while giving their customers a chance to win in a drawing. There is no gambling involved as the participants give no money for a chance to win the prize.


However, many Christians are guilty of supporting lotteries, bingo, horse racing, and even playing at the casinos. Video poker has become so popular it is now referred to as "the crack cocaine of gambling." Some do not realize the gravity of their sin. They justify gambling simply because they have needs that cannot be met through their present earned income. The Lord desires to meet those needs for them and will give them a plan for becoming debt free if they seek him and His economic principles in the Bible.


The Lord can bring deliverance to those caught in this web of compulsive gambling. Through admission of this sin and repentance God will break the bondage of it in those who desire to be set free. Gamblers need love and acceptance but they must repent in order to be free. The Lord loves those who are addicted to gambling and will help all that call upon Him for deliverance.

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It's only gambling if you lose and if the losers think of lotteries a volunteer tax, then they are just giving more to help the States than the law requires.  It's more blessed to give than to receive according to the Book (Acts 21:35).

RJOh

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Quote:Originally posted by king on June 29, 2004


I like your answer Percy sin is sin  but what so you do when your money funds are low    The question is are we spending our money wisely    not neglecting our bills before buying the tickets    I would  never  go to Vegas cause  the machines can be addictive    but we should be able to show some control when buying tickets



Hi,I am a newbie..

I agree that gambling is a sin, as we should be good stewards of God's money. They don't call Vegas "sin city" for nothing, the morals and attitutes of casnios, is not where a Christian should be.

The real root problem is the hearts attitue towards money..Do we love it more then God, is it our life force , or is Being a child of God (Christian First).

We all read in the bible that the love of money is the root ot all evil, which is true..think about evil things in this world, then follow the money!

Now the Lottery, is diffrent, in that the profits actually go to Education, and the state goverment, not evil but has a purpose for society. In a sense you are giving to education budget, with a chance to win a return on your investment,

I perosnally enjoy the statstics/probablity part of the lottery and play on paper, mostly. Its a fun hobby, exciting to see if I won. I sometimes play for real, a very small amount if the timing is right (eg Total prize, Numbers may come up,etc). If I ever do win, Good will come about from the winnings, to help the widows, orphans, the needy, homeless (Something the lottery profits would be better use then education in my opionin)

My hope and I hope anyone who's on this board is in Christ, to Love him and serve him. If he is first in your life, the lottery isn't very much in your life compared to the riches and glory and power in Christ Jesus.

Now like other posters have said, if you are being bothered in your heart about playing, then God is problay trying to get your attention on him, and away from the desires of winning big.

Seek Him First..and all other things will be added unto you.

And Rememebr Self Control, and that the lottery is a game of chance, a big chance you will never win!

Blessings, PM me with any insights you like to add or discuss.


 

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Right on Sister.

PRAISE BE TO THE ALMIGHTY ($,*,%).

Colin

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Look what happened to Martha Stewart she gambled in the Stock Market "CHEATED" and "GOT CAUGHT" and as far as she's concerned she did nothing wrong!!!




Martha Stewart was convicted of lying to investigators about a so-called "crime" the authorities did not have sufficient evidence to formally accuse her of. 

How a person can be convicted of attempting to cover-up something they weren't accused of astonishes me.  More frightening still, is that everyone, including the jury, seems to think Martha cheated people---when she did nothing of the sort!  Prosecutors rutinely go after people, to get their stats up--when faced with the full weight of the all powerful state, most people plead guilty to something, in exchange for mercy.  The prosecutors are happy--they get their stats up--but is there justice?  Our system used to be based on the search for truth.  Martha naively believed, that she could not be convicted for something the state did not accuse her of---how wrong she was!  Thanks to the smear job by the news media---she was convicted of "having an attitude" to quote on juror.  Oh well, quid est veritas, anyway?

Be careful of the news, or you will wind up not thinking and just blindly following the other "sheeple."

Midwestern Girl

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There's really nothing wrong with "getting rich quick" if you know how to do it there's plenty of Rich people who got that way without hard work.There's no law that says you have to work hard to get what you want it can go both ways.You can work hard and get rich or you can not work hard and get rich like win a lottery or recieve an inheritance.The Hilton sisters are a perfect example they were born into wealth they never worked hard a day in there lives.Then you have business owners that started with nothing and built an empire from hard work people that came to this country penniless and become wealthy from working hard.A lot of people want to win the Lottery so they don't have to work and just travel have a good time or be with there family more.As long as there not hurting anyone being lazy by not working and just having fun seems okay to me you only live once why not have some fun.When I win I'm definitely gonna have fun no work just travel hang out spend more time with my son spend some money on occasion and enjoy myself.

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I don't think that god hate's gambling, I think he dislikes the greed that is often the result of gambling.

Anything done in its proper context is okay, only when we begin to over indulge , does it become a sin.

To place a wager is okay, but when we become so indulged in the game that we put it before our responsibilties, then we have the greed factor set in and then we have the sin.

Same could be said of eating, to eat as we need to be nourished is fine, but when eat in over indulgenice, and become over weight, . God probably frouns on that too.

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That's true I think there's a passage in the Bible about doing things in "EXCESS" like drinking,gambling,spending money etc... things that can wind up hurting you or your family because of over indulgence I believe that's what can be considered sinful.

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Pick-4 Master, I agree with you. The richest folks in the World ,today, haven't gotten there by  physically working hard, but by busting their brains!Thanks and Good luck to us all!

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So Mana I see you really put alot of faith in God as do I and all shall be succesful ! Also I don't like Mana cause she's sane and acts weird.

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I heard once that the Luckiest times of the year are around X-mass time (religious time)..People win in games of Luck more around this time..any one has an idea how true this is?

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Mana

I don't know whether your avatar is a picture of you or a picture you've taken. In any case for what my appreciation of Art  is worth I think that picture is very artistic. If you took it yourself then maybe you should look at taking advantage of the talent it represents.

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Mana, Colin likes you :)

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Did God as we know and understand him/her/it exist before mankind?
Think before you answer and marvel that you are one of the creatures on this earth capable of such high powered abstract thought.







not that i am anybody, except i will answer your question with four (4) options...

(1) there is the story of Job ... during his time of questioning God (which he doesn"t mind),  answered him swiftly and justly by replying "Where were you Job when I formed the earth"?    basically putting Job in his place by not only reminding Job "who" was God in the equation, and reminding him that he was "there" before mankind existed.

(2)  when asked who he really was,  Jesus made the same exact statement that God made in the old testament to abraham .. "I am that I am".  fully indicating that he claimed to be God (and existed before abraham, and was the one who replied to abraham), and that he was the one who created mankind and all things exist because of him.  if you read the text after that statement,  that is when the jews became enraged and the very reason that he was crucified.  "for we crucify you not, but thou being a man who claims to be God"  ....... he was crucified because he claimed to be God and it is up to you personally to prove he is or isn't.


          (3)  now if you don't believe in the bible as being directly from God, you can always ask him yourself.  but the key in getting the answer is to come to God on his terms and play by his rules, then you will hear his voice.  if you try and dictate to God how you come to him, then you will get the equivelent of a God-spam  e-mail.

          (4) or you can consider it to be a non important issue and garner nothing more than a "guess" and be willing to step off into eternity with your guess.  it's your life....... not mine.

  i only found him because i thought it to be too impotant of issue to "guess", and i was banking on the notion that if there was a God and that he created us.....  that he sure could let us know if we came to him on his terms.  i was rewarded thusly.

and you?

 sidenote .....  i can't stand "religious" people/fervor either.  i do however greatly admire people who are not afraid to stand up and say they actually know him, even at the expense of what others might think.

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