# Predicting winning numbers? Fact or fiction?

Hello again everyone. I've missed everyone and been gone for far too long. Life seems to happen sometimes. I had to let go of all the lottery work I had been doing and, well, to be honest, I WISH I knew what has happened. "Life" happened is all I can say. I am back at it again now though and my head first, all or nothing mentality makes me jump right in head first. It's all I know. I know where this poll is going to start off. I just wanted to see if there are any "real believers" out there still/yet.

There is two and only two constants in these games. There will be an even OR an odd number drawn for each pick. That's it. The numbers can go up or down. They can also stay the same in a repeat. That repeat can throw a monkey wrench into the mix. We do know the even/odd is a constant though. If you can narrow down the even/odd alone for each pick, you've cut your number base in half right there. Some are going to say that if you cut out numbers to play, you're cutting out a possible pick. That is true. You are also cutting out what not to pick though. You're going to have to make a choice on what to play anyhow, so might as well pick one right? Unless you can afford to pick every combination, and if you can afford that, why bother playing. You've gotten enough. LOL. Like everything in this life, we're all going to have to make a choice one way or another. On something. On most things. That's why I don't believe in a grey area. Like even/odd, it is going to have an outcome one way or the other. If there is a grey area, what good is it? Is it safe? Maybe. Does it get you/us anywhere? If one could figure out how to beat "random". If one could figure out how to determine "random". WOW!!! It'd be like Tin Cup wouldn't it. How many people remember who won the Powerball, but how many would remember who figured it out? I do remember the one guy with the cowboy hat that had so much trouble, but I couldn't tell you his name without Googling it. It's more about doing something that no one has been able to do. As far as I know anyway. For me, it's about showing people that we CAN do something. We CAN do anything if we believe enough. We have to pick one way or another though. No ones going to tell me different and me believe it.

So make a choice. Or don't. LOL

I was going to put three choices for the poll. Either yay or nay or I'm trying.  If there is a grey area, I guess that would be it. I'm trying would have to be there is a way, or you wouldn't be trying would ya.

I'm just an ole' ugly dumb hillbilly so what do I really know.

It's good to be back, and we're going to do something.

Whoever said small-town life was a small life never lived in Burnsville, NC. The town offers living situations and outdoor experiences that go above and beyond the norm, presenting you with many opportunities to:

Live the Life You Choose.

Glad to have you back here at LP G-Fox.  There are a handful of members here that I value their opinions.  You are definitely one of them.

Not sure if your sub-conscious mind telling you the following:  "don't play you'll never win anything" or the "numbers you selected are incorrect".

I think you have to battle the inner forces if you will and follow your initial decision to go forward.  I'll give you an example, on 1/22/1992 I was on my way home from work.  I had a list of Pick 3 numbers to play.  I wanted to play but "outside forces" that told me NOT to play (you'll never win, your numbers will never come in, etc.).  I decided to stop and play my numbers.  I had 6 straight numbers 1-1-3.  113 up until that point never were drawn in the entire Pennsylvania Pick 3 game (look it up).  1977 to 1/22/1992. 15 years.  113 is my daughter's birthday 1-13 (January 13 113)

So what inside me decided to play?

Here is another example. A harness race track Brandywine Raceway in Delaware closed 1989.  I decided to go to the last day of racing before the racetrack closed and was converted to a shopping center.  Had the racetrack survived and when the state of Delaware approved casino gambling the track would still be racing today.  ie Delaware Park and Harrington.  Ok so I went to the final day of racing.  Stayed until the final race.  Decided to play the trifecta.  My choice was to play all the high odd horses in the race.  So I had my list and my choice was to play "box" or "super box" trifecta.  My mind told me I would never win and should not play. I decided to go ahead and play the "boxed" trifecta and not the "straight" trifecta.  The choice was 18 dollars vs 36 dollars.  So my \$18 dollar "boxed" ticket paid \$2,600.  The "straight" paid \$18,000.  Don't get me wrong.  I was glad to win \$2,600 bucks.  But kicking myself for NOT spending another \$36 for \$18,000.

So what causes us to play or not play?  Fear of losing money?  Past loses that is ingrained in our brain that tell us we'll never win?

Why are some people who buy and trade stocks do this professionally? No fear of losing.

You can probably apply this to other types of professional gambling if you also consider the stock market gambling.

Does it come down to education and knowing you have the "edge" when you put down the cash to play?

I would think their are books that try and explain this.

I keep an open mind about the existence of winning systems and I look a the systems people post with an open mind, but I think if someone found a truly winning system -- meaning it allowed one to make a profit rather than just break even or win slightly more than the norm -- they would not be well-served by sharing it freely or for profit. Because if they shared it and more people started winning the lottery, the lottery would notice and respond by changing the way drawings are conducted, and then the system would no longer work. Like Aesop's goose.

So good to see you, Greenfox!

This is true. If there was a winning system that allowed the player to win on a consistent basis, it would not be a good idea to hand out that information on a public forum. On the Pick-3 postings, I have seen members post a list of numbers that would appear on the midday and evening drawings. I started to treat the Pick-3 games as I would treat a Stock Portfolio in which I do not change my holdings everyday. The best way to win is to stick to the numbers you play. Another thing to avoid is playing too many sets of number because it will diminish your returns. I tend to avoid playing the scratch off tickets as I feel that those are rigged to be losers than winners 98% of the time.

I have been playing the Pick-3 games(on and off) for 4 years. In the past year alone, I have learned so much about the nature of the game than I ever had in the previous 3 years combined. Do I believe that predicting the number helps with winning? Yes.

hello, you can use the combination of two patterns in pick3
higher / lower / even with repetition in the position
of even / odd is equal
example last draw
341 = last
721 = next
note that you have repeated the pattern in the 1st position,
repeated the pair pattern in the 2nd position, and repeated
the digit itself in the 3rd position
there were therefore three repetitions in the positions
two repetitions of the same pattern (even) and one repetition in the same digit,
we can mount this filter in excel

before every megamillions and pb draw I generate 5000+ sets (just on my computer) based on picking odd / even, mix of numbers never picked, picked once, more than once and a bunch of other patterns and also every draw it beats a list of 5000 random numbers I picked using a random number generator.

My algo never got the 5 first numbers but it gets 3 and sometimes 4 often and sometimes fails altogether like recent mega million numbers were very out of the past pattern

10 50 55 56 58   mega 15

11 59  66  67  68   mega 18

Hello Raven62,

There's NOTHING in Burnsville. LOL. It's a blink town. Blink, and it's gone. They got a bike lane now though and a newish 4 lane bypass for the 40 vehicles that are there. There's a few METHamaticians running around there also. Like most places these days. It's really a little more city than I like. I'm more in the woods here, OUTSIDE of Burnsvegas. For now anyway.

Good to hear from you!

Hey winsum,

I'm NEVER good enough in my mind. For whatever reason. It's just part of my programming I guess. Not scared a bit to try though. Not scared of anything on this planet. I don't know what it is, I know when the mind is right, ones hard to beat. It's getting there that's the hard part I suppose.

So what inside me decided to play?

It has to be the need to try. We are all looking for something better I guess. A lot of people are. They say gambling is bad, but It's pretty much all a gamble isn't it? Life, I mean. We gamble on everything making our life better in a sense. Every decision is pretty much a gamble. I know there's a lot of "bets" I've made that I regret more than laying a \$20 down on a lottery ticket. We have to try or what's even the point.  I don't really have a fear of losing is what doesn't make sense. The losing, unless losing everything, (which I don't play enough to lose everything), is a lot less stressless than winning would be I'm sure. Especially with the kind of cabbage the powerball or such would bring. I don't really fear the stress of that either. I know how to say yes and no and sharks is the only thing on this planet that puts any fear in me. Until they can walk or fly, I don't have to worry about that I don't reckon. Personally, I value the good attributes that God has given me and the ideas He gives me to try and putting those to use more than the money. Kind of like I can use it to actually do something in this life and be deserving. The money would be nice, but who REALLY needs \$300 million? That's more money than some countries have. I think what it really is is just that. That in my mind, He gives me the ideas to try, but maybe I'm not really worthy enough to actually pull it off. IDK. I've always been pretty hard on myself anyway. Just a walking conundrum I am.

But kicking myself for NOT spending another \$36 for \$18,000.

That's what gets me with gambling, or life in general. We let the fear of a few dollars keep us from a bunch of them. Or a fear of the small stuff in life keep us from the big in life. It makes no sense at all. Out of the 307 times the PB jackpot has been won, I don't believe there has been one winner that didn't play. We'll just keep on trucking I guess.

Hello cottoneyed one,

Open minds are our only hope of winning. Open minds can't be closed up in a box though so we have to search out of that thing. I've wandered how many are actually on this site, or just came looking to find someone that has a way and can give them some numbers that will win. There are plenty of people out there that has to think there is some kind of way.

But yeah, you're correct. A system that could or would win at any time would not be smart to put out there. That wasn't a plan of mine if i ever did make it happen. I would never care a bit to give some winning numbers out now and again though . Maybe not on a jackpot game or something like that, depending on who it was, probably would, but 3 and 4 draws, sure. There's plenty enough in the world to go around. Plus some out there could really just use the money or even the acknowledgement that they did win something helps some.

But no, not going to kill the goose here. Would love to pass out some of those eggs though.

HARVEST, HARVEST, HARVEST!!! So, so great to hear from you!!! The valkyrie I have missed!!! (From one of our early conversations there.)

Really is great to hear from you!!!

Hello darthfury78,

From my most favoritist movie ever I'm hoping? (So I don't look like a complete idiot.) Plus the world always needs more Star Wars fans. You know, it's not that popular. LOL.

No, it wouldn't be the best decision to put out a system that could win consistently.

There's quite a few that play the same sets. There's always more than one way to skin a cat. I have an uncle that plays that way and he hits often so I know that works also. I've looked to win, like all here, but have been looking for "it" i guess you could say. To see if it actually could be done. Like you learning more in the past year, it's the only way to know. We have to work with it to find out for sure. I've seen enough that I have no doubts it can be done. If one can predict two of three better than 50% of the time, there has to be a way. My excel book beats 50% on the pick 3 all to pieces as far as that goes and you just have to put the last two sets of winining numbers in it and let it run. It will only put out one set for the 3 and 4 per draw which is all I want to play on those draws anyway. I usually play 5 picks with the same numbers on each ticket. Even if I played each a combo as they call it here, which is \$6 a ticket, and hit 5 times that's still \$30 making \$2,500. Nailing that third digit each time through an automated sheet is the problem though. It is all a learning process though.

Scratch offs are pretty much as you say. Got to be at the right place at the right time with those. I've done fair on them in the past. They're pure luck though. That's pretty close on the percentage of their winning, and or losing. About 2 out of 10 wins. They are usually back to back and how they get the odds that they do. Worked at a store that sold them years ago and that was about the average. 10 \$5 scratch offs is \$50 and if ones lucky and gets 2 wins, it's usually a \$5 and \$10 win. Even with a \$20 win, you're still in the red. They prey on the "new" tix out a lot also. Most has to have the "shiny new" in this world today it seems. But, it's like the rest of it, you don't play, you don't win. Saw a lot of people buy \$300 and \$600 full books and lose badly. Saw and have bought one and won well. It's part of it.

dr san,

So good to see you again also!

Yes, there are many ways to decipher what's coming next. That was some of the first work I done with excel. Still use similar on the bigger draws. That's the random of it. Those repeats. They are more common than what hasn't showed up to be honest. From what I've seen I think it's kind of like how life it's self works. Like a magnet. The positive/negative pushes apart and sends one digit one way, draws another closer and keeps one in limbo. Time it's self is counted and kept up with numbers. Time moves forward constantly. Our past is also still there in the background though. One ball is drawn in a matter of time, then the second, etc. The first numbered ball is future, and at a given time, but quickly becomes the past once ball 2 is drawn. There is a section of time in between each that spins each to the top and out of the machines. I believe in that time is what makes each ball what it is. Like they are supposed to come out at a certain time as if one could hone in on the time, month, day, year and use that to know. It was a big reason I use the roots for my 3 and 4 draw books. The roots are the inner makings of each number, if you will. Like planting a tree. The roots stay in the ground and the tree branches out many different directions, producing different amounts of branches and leaves. So I looked at the roots as the basis of my work. I take common "seeds" from each root and try to blend them together in a sense to produce the next branch and set of leaves.

Let me ask you this, if they held each 3 and 4 draws at just random times during the day/night, do you think there would be any way possible to predict what's next? Do you think it would be easier? Or make no difference?

Does 6 or 9 show up in the next draw after this? Possibly the 8 and maybe 0 or 5? Not necessarily in that order. I say 6 or 9 because they are even odd counterparts. The 8 is 3 other half. 0 and 5 are counterparts also. Not sure when this draw was. There is seven 5s in the root of 7. Four 0s in the root of 7. Which combined that.s nine of the 0 5 counterparts. Four 6s in the root of 7 with the fist digit after the decimal a 6. Three 9 in the root of 7. That's seven combined of the 6 and 9. There is four 3s in the root of 7. NO 8s at all. Maybe 6 or 9 as the second ball drawn? I've not run anything on these numbers. Just the root of 7 on my calculator. 4s root is 2 and I've seen it effect the next digit to many times. Or use the previous in the same position to produce results. Just guessing on the sets you provided.

I like the way your going at it. Your going at it with a reason. Looking for an answer to a question. I wander if your sets are beating the random generated because your using actual data from what is actual draw sets from an actual happened instance of an existing "thing". Is the random generated from something that is not an actual "thing" and just threw up in the air, out of the blue doing worse because that's just what it is? It has nothing to do with what IS real and has occurred. I never could understand the random number generators involvement with an existing lottery game. I know the lottery is "random", but IT IS a living thing in a sense. It has a name. It has a particular time and days that it occurs. It is a "thing" that exists separate from other ideas.

Have you used the random generated set and ran a random generated set against it using it's data and found anything different? Maybe run a set of generated data at certain times and test that against an original set of random?

Or run a set of actual data at the same time of day/night on each day/s or given day/s? Or a set every hour or so of actual real data or spread it out and see how it does? See if a particular time did better/worse than another?

That'd be something I'd be interested in trying. Provided I knew how to make a random generator. Which I do not. LOL.  It's all I can do to get excel to add 3 and 4 for an answer.

It sounds like you're onto something though. I'm just running my trap like most of the time and throwing out ideas. Which I'd say you've probably already tried. But,,, just in case. Not trying to be nosy or anything like that.

Thank you for the reply member Algos!

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In terms of sampling, a 6/47 game would need an expected number of one-element samplings needed to collect all 47 objects is 208.6 draws of data. Not 50. I would use 209 draws. Any numbers that haven't come up in 209 draws would be the coldest, and I would always play them. I don't live near or play GA lotto though, so I don't track or post those predictions to get public metrics on success/fail rate.

Well,

All I can say to you and anyone with your view of sample size for a 6/47 Matrix, or any other Matrix sample size is.... email the Developers of "Lotto Pro", voice your opinion,.. see what THEY say in response..

You may be correct if you're only using "home grown" data or processes (Cmoore50's term)..but I keep reinterrating that "Probability Math's" formulas keeps track of EVERYTHING..!!

Far back , waaay beyond what most , if not all Software can.. How do you think the Math was able to SPECIFICALLY point out a Pwrball number that had been dormant for over 50 drawings or so, but identified it by verifying what IT (unknown number) must've done in the Game's history,(392 games back) in order to obey its governing laws of which event WOULD be appearing the very next draw?.. that Pwrball #18,  did in fact appear, the next draw..!!

And again..  IT IS NOT MY MATH..!!... It is just... MATH..!

-Stat\$talker

How do you think the Math was able to SPECIFICALLY point out a Pwrball number that had been dormant for over 50 drawings or so, but identified it by verifying what IT (unknown number) must've done in the Game's history,(392 games back) in order to obey its governing laws of which event WOULD be appearing the very next draw?.

All it takes is Data Base that includes the Draw History.  In Excel you can simply use the match function to keep track of Every Numbers Skip, or a few more columns can show you every time that a number has hit giving you that numbers skip pattern.  The question is "how do you know that it will be the next one to hit?"

Now before you Tell Me that I don't understand Probability, let me save you some time.  I Don't, at least when it comes to these Governing Laws you speak of.  Perhaps you could tell us a bit about the governing law  that told you that a number with a 50 Game Skip was going to hit.  Was that Power Ball #(18) the Long skip of the group?

#18 was just one of many he chose for that drawing. If any other PB number had hit, other than what was on his list, he covers his butt by saying they are NOT the ONLY ones on his list.

"Ok.. The most promising Pwrballs (red) for 1/25/20 drawing are....

14,16,18,21,13,26...they are NOT the ONLY ones...(for B-216)"

Well naaaah?..if it ain't  AllenB finally sincerely asking a serious question, instead of bashing Ole Stat\$talker...

Well, to be frank and straightforward, you'd have to read a Statistics & Probability book.. in order to recognize what I speak of...and that's NOT a copout reply..!! , but yes ,.. Pwrball#18 was in a "long shot" class, but so was alot of other ball numbers, but the Math DIDN'T point those out... only #18 via the formula.. and the example B-216 refers to is NOT the Pwrball drawing I'm referring to..(nice try tho Mr Naysayer).

The formulas are too involved, mathematical expressions too long , answer equations too deep to get into here..

But if you're as serious as I am about wanting to know what invokes the laws of Probability.. you'll get into a Statistics book .. and read it, and re-read it, until you finally do see it... for as Str8cas\$hommie said.. " it's hidden in plain sight"..!!

It's a level of understanding that has to be "earned".. by seeking it..to appreciate it...not that I don't want to help you or anyonelse..for as Jesus said.. "Seek and ye shall find"...

Meaning , deep understanding or knowledge of things will only reveal itself, if you diligently , earnestly seek it.. (unlike just searching for a lost or misplaced item) .. and believe me, I've burned the candle on BOTH ends seeking, because I was aflicted at birth with keen, insatiable curiosity....and got my a_ _ beat as a child for disassembling an expensive device, cause it got the best of my curiosity..!!.. I simply had to find out how it worked..!

So, AllenB,?.. all I will say is... it's there, in that book.. my prediction posts and lottery tickets proves it..despite what Naysayers boast..it's the TRUTH..

-Stat\$talker

"and the example B-216 refers to is NOT the Pwrball drawing I'm referring to..(nice try tho Mr Naysayer)."

I don't exactly know the steps involved in doing that function on LP yet.. Heck, I got suspended by Todd when I first arrived for trying to learn to post my lottery tickets.....ain't  riskin that again.. maybe someone with more experience with that can do it..

..if I remember correctly, the Pwrball drawing I'm referring to was maybe just before the one you erroneously cited ..

Naysaying at its best..!!

Ya know 216 ?... I'm beginning to suspect that YOU work for a Lottery..for you defend them ferociously..

Well if posting a link is too confusing for you, how about a page number? I know my questions are difficult for you to answer, so if you can't read the page number, then how about a drawing date?

email the Developers of "Lotto Pro", voice your opinion,.. see what THEY say in response..

My mathematically accurate statement about sample size is not an opinion.

Do you use your own system, or only use Lotto Pro?

Okay stalker, I'll give you a hand with links to posts. See that page icon to the right of your user name and to the left of the post date? Left click that icon.

After giving this whole, one time so called PB prediction some thought, who cares! It's a \$4 win.

When you say "System".. for me , that involves lots of things,.. but it does include the use of "Lotto Pro" as the data tracker,.. but after 50 games, it stops tracking a number, but it still holds it in its data ..

But the Math will point to it, if needed no matter where it sits...you just have to check back..

Okay , so your sample size statement may be sample size fact..but it's still your opinion, as to whether incorporating it or not is absolutely necessary.. I was just saying.. email them.. see what they say, as to why they feel its (your sample size) not needed in their opinion..

I'm not doubting you..I'm not a Naysayer..there are enough of THOSE here already..!!

-Stat\$talker

Well Talker, I see you were you unable to post that link I was asking for.

Oh well, no surprise there.

Tell you what, I hold no grudges against you and I will attempt to help you again.

Scroll down a bit to the complaint dated 08/14/2019, then take a look at the GA lottery response dated 08/16/2019.

"The consumer may contact us to make an appointment to view the process for a live drawing at WSB-TV station."

Maybe that will that help put your rigged lottery claim to sleep and maybe you can then have peace of mind when playing your lottery. For the life of me I cannot understand why ANYONE would continue to throw money away on ANY rigged game.

OR you can just file your own complaint with the BBB.

"WellTalker, I see you were you unable to post that link I was asking for"

Well, I see that you're learning to speak MY language..that was a good chuckle for me..the key to longevity (laughter). and of course, I hold no grudges against you or anyonelse here.. I just like to jone!

Sorry, I don't remember what exact page# specific things were posted on.. my memory is not THAT good, but it's alot better than cottoneyedjoe's..!! and "Prevegen" won't help either of us with such specifics..

The issue at hand was never how much money the Pwrball #18 paid, it's about how accurate the Math is at Predicting..

If I remember correctly , I didnt even buy a ticket for that drawing, I merely posted what the Math said ..and timestamped it using Lottery Post's clock..

Do you really believe that contacting Ga Lottery to complain about suspected draw rigging will be taken seriously?..

I think it's like asking Jason Kurland's Firm to investigate his so-called Investors!, report them if having Mobster ties..!! .. ain't gonna happen..!!.. or getting a Fox to guard a Hen house..!!

Now the BBB, may be of some use, but going down there to view the drawing?...huuummm

-Stat\$talker

"Do you really believe that contacting Ga Lottery to complain about suspected draw rigging will be taken seriously?."

Why would you think that? Is your evidence so weak that it's laughable? Why wouldn't it be taken seriously by the BBB?

I understand. You're afraid of the the truth, and you find it easier to run from, rather than face the truth. Heck, who would you blame for your losses if the GA lottery proves to you they are legit?

You keep Talking your talk and walking your walk my friend. I ask you questions and you don't seem to want to answer them, or you just blame it on poor memory. That's fine, but just know your actions speak volumes to those of us on the other side of the fence. Nice try, but you ain't fooling us one little bit!

Now get back to your stalking.

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