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WIN D

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Jan 23, 2012, 11:24 am

Return numbers in Pick-3 or "Repeats" are closer than you might think !

When is the last time your Pick 3 game had a repeat number ?

Yes.... you better check!

Repeat numbers hit more than you think......and sometimes...... even more than that! LOL

Normally,a repeat is known as... "another stupid repeat". LOL

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Now we can make repeat numbers our friends.....for fun and profit!

....... feelings can be good but if you actually know the expected hit rate on these things your feelings might get us more hits.

Repeat numbers happen on average of 56.94 times a year on a 365 game.

We should expect to get about 41 single box repeats a year......and around 16 double repeats as well.

Bottom line:

We will get a repeat number about once a week.

If your state's game hasn't had a repeat in the last 2 or 3 weeks ...... just look over the last 30 draws....they are there .....right in front of our eyes.

Look over your last 30 draws and you should see about 4 or 5 repeaters ready to hit.

See if you can match them up with things like ..."due digits" or "due short sums" etc.

Remember.....they are pretty much always there in the last 30 draws at any given time during the year.....looking right back at us.

Good Luck ......you might have caught it just in time.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
WIN D

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Jan 23, 2012, 12:27 pm

Note to trackers:

This is using a 30 past draw matrix on a sliding scale..... that is going back at any time during the year using the 30 previous draws.

...... so the above figures reflect a 30/365 = 12 such individual marking events per year.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d
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Jan 25, 2012, 10:46 pm

Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on Jan 23, 2012
Note to trackers:

This is using a 30 past draw matrix on a sliding scale..... that is going back at any time during the year using the 30 previous draws.

...... so the above figures reflect a 30/365 = 12 such individual marking events per year.

Thanks for proving yet again how pre-draws corrupt any data fed into any pick 3 software.

So why do you think that there are sooooooo many repeats ?

answer -----> because there are at least 4 pre-draws which represent hidden data to every live draw given to the public.

Now ask yourself how could you possibly ever track a combination with the followers list when it has previously hit in the pre-draws ?

answer----->> you cant....!!!!
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Jan 25, 2012, 11:06 pm

Quote: Originally posted by crow on Jan 25, 2012
Thanks for proving yet again how pre-draws corrupt any data fed into any pick 3 software.

So why do you think that there are sooooooo many repeats ?

answer -----> because there are at least 4 pre-draws which represent hidden data to every live draw given to the public.

Now ask yourself how could you possibly ever track a combination with the followers list when it has previously hit in the pre-draws ?

answer----->> you cant....!!!!

Staging pre-draws may turn out to be a two-way sword.

Human interventions to lower the chances of forecasting winners can inject an unintended element of exploitable skewness into the official results.

I don't know to what extent CA uses pre-draws, if any. But just look at the results of CA Pick 3 from last November to the present.

The frequency of doubles in the winning numbers is significantly above its theorectical probability.
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Jan 26, 2012, 3:07 am

Quote: Originally posted by Pairview on Jan 25, 2012
Staging pre-draws may turn out to be a two-way sword.

Human interventions to lower the chances of forecasting winners can inject an unintended element of exploitable skewness into the official results.

I don't know to what extent CA uses pre-draws, if any. But just look at the results of CA Pick 3 from last November to the present.

The frequency of doubles in the winning numbers is significantly above its theorectical probability.

The California Pick-3 draws are held in a computer, so draw testing isn't an issue. See . . .

https://www.lotterypost.com/lottery-report-card.asp

Birthday Paradox math can be applied to Pick-3, however it isn't predictive, only informative.

BobP
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Jan 26, 2012, 10:19 am

Thanks for the reminder WIN D , Sometimes I look at under average pairs or under average sums to find a repeat then I go to the "search past results " to see how if fell over the last couple years. Love the search past results tool. Thanks Todd !
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Jan 26, 2012, 11:40 am

Quote: Originally posted by crow on Jan 25, 2012
Thanks for proving yet again how pre-draws corrupt any data fed into any pick 3 software.

So why do you think that there are sooooooo many repeats ?

answer -----> because there are at least 4 pre-draws which represent hidden data to every live draw given to the public.

Now ask yourself how could you possibly ever track a combination with the followers list when it has previously hit in the pre-draws ?

answer----->> you cant....!!!!

I'm going to repeat this for like the 50th time: please stop posting this same complaint on every forum post. It is considered BOTH spamming and trolling. If you want to discuss an unrelated topic, then please post it in your own thread -- or an an existing thread that deals with your topic specifically. I have asked you this privately, but it doesn't seem to have taken hold.

Everyone here knows that you don't like pre-draws and you think the NCEL is corrupt (among other things). They know that because you have posted it about 1,000 times in many different threads. Please do not take ANY more threads off-topic.

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Jan 26, 2012, 2:57 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jan 26, 2012
I'm going to repeat this for like the 50th time: please stop posting this same complaint on every forum post. It is considered BOTH spamming and trolling. If you want to discuss an unrelated topic, then please post it in your own thread -- or an an existing thread that deals with your topic specifically. I have asked you this privately, but it doesn't seem to have taken hold.

Everyone here knows that you don't like pre-draws and you think the NCEL is corrupt (among other things). They know that because you have posted it about 1,000 times in many different threads. Please do not take ANY more threads off-topic.

The goal is to approach the Pick 3 & Pick 4 game sensibly and systematically!!

I'm not like the guy who predicted the end of the world and nothing happened.
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Jan 27, 2012, 1:03 pm

Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on Jan 23, 2012
Note to trackers:

This is using a 30 past draw matrix on a sliding scale..... that is going back at any time during the year using the 30 previous draws.

...... so the above figures reflect a 30/365 = 12 such individual marking events per year.

WIN-D

Thank you ....very informative as always.....
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Jan 27, 2012, 3:24 pm

Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on Jan 23, 2012
Return numbers in Pick-3 or "Repeats" are closer than you might think !

When is the last time your Pick 3 game had a repeat number ?

Yes.... you better check!

Repeat numbers hit more than you think......and sometimes...... even more than that! LOL

Normally,a repeat is known as... "another stupid repeat". LOL

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Now we can make repeat numbers our friends.....for fun and profit!

....... feelings can be good but if you actually know the expected hit rate on these things your feelings might get us more hits.

Repeat numbers happen on average of 56.94 times a year on a 365 game.

We should expect to get about 41 single box repeats a year......and around 16 double repeats as well.

Bottom line:

We will get a repeat number about once a week.

If your state's game hasn't had a repeat in the last 2 or 3 weeks ...... just look over the last 30 draws....they are there .....right in front of our eyes.

Look over your last 30 draws and you should see about 4 or 5 repeaters ready to hit.

See if you can match them up with things like ..."due digits" or "due short sums" etc.

Remember.....they are pretty much always there in the last 30 draws at any given time during the year.....looking right back at us.

Good Luck ......you might have caught it just in time.

Before Ohio went to the Sunday drawings, 30 drawings was the best way to track digit position frequency because I could start every drawing cycle on Monday. There were many front pair, back pair, and outside pair repeats within the next 1 or 2 weeks, but never found a way to consistently isolate which pairs were most likely to repeat.

That was long before LP so maybe someone can come up with an idea to isolate which pairs.
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Jan 28, 2012, 10:24 am

Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on Jan 23, 2012
Note to trackers:

This is using a 30 past draw matrix on a sliding scale..... that is going back at any time during the year using the 30 previous draws.

...... so the above figures reflect a 30/365 = 12 such individual marking events per year.

Chaz, this may be a filter where the pre-draws work for you. Look at the stat for Fl Mid. Using 20 draws instead of 30. Repeats still average hitting every 11 draws. Using 30 draws, every 7 draws.

REPEATS PKG HITS MED MAX DUE AVG SKIPS

T 0 125 2 50 0 10.79 4

F 0 1224 1 2 0 1.10 0