There is far too much bashing and belittling of just about everyone new that comes here with new concepts to offer.
You're not understanding what I'm saying.
The people who come on here trying to explain some vague idea of their systems are bashed because they either can't express themselves, or do not understand the basics of what they are trying to show people. In this recent case, grammer is a red flag, not to mention the lack of a rebuttal. the person responds with the same answer over and over without specifically addressing issues brought up.
There is nothing wrong with new concepts, just the way they try to explain themselves without articulating.
You want examples?
cashman87. He gives numbers without revealing his family secrets. Why even bother teasing folks here, if you aren't revealing the process? Page after page of endless bragging without results. I don't know if you remember him.
Newguy: He proposes vast amount of numbers, not realizing the cost versus profit ratio. When challenged about that specific aspect, nothing new is remitted. He just says....I know...but....so on and so on...
I can't remember specific names, but I recall a handfull of new folks who have come here in the past few years making bold statements and not backing them up. I know this because I see Rjoh repeatedly being the first one jumping in and asking them to show their proof on the prediction boards. Shortly therafter, they disappear without a trace. then some people here blame some for running them out. I don't see it that way. They are requested to be put up against a challenge, and when they disappear, we are called haters. Why? it's a simple request.
It was about a month ago when someone came here and claimed something, and Maddog asked him to post his numbers in his challenge thingy. Guess what happened? never to be seen again. But we're labeled as negative. Why? because we asked them to back up what they propose?
Look at my pathetical attempts as an example. In just one week or so, i came up with 2 hair-brained ideas for a system in the systems forums. Look it up. I never made any bold statements, because I know the p-3 is not that easy to beat. I give an outline of an idea and throw it out there for everyone to tweak it. You'll never see me write something like....Here's the 99 percent winning system of all ages. That's just impossible. The house will always win. You'll never see me writing....The 123 system that will be the end all of all systems out there, which will net you a thousand bucks a day.
What I will do is say the following. Here's my idea. let's toss it around. let's do some back testing to see if this is temporary, which most of the time it is, and try to fugure if this system is just a short streak, or can be utlized for a long term profit. here's the cost, and here's the profit.
To me...it really dosen't bother me that much. I just felt compelled to respond to you because I felt that you haven't seen what I've seen in my experience. The p-3 is designed in such a way as to be very difficult to beat. The greatest mathematical minds would have already come up with a beatable system by now. It won't happen because there are just way too many variables. That is the key to understanding the odds, and for some person to just come along and claim they've discovered a method that thousands have overlooked, seems very unlikely to be true, especially if they can't articulate even the easiest explanations in answering veterans who have already been down that road. The roads that new people come here and express are usually raods that are basic and fundamental, compared to advances made by years of calculations, theories, and advanced attempts on a much higher level.
When someone can't even answer basic questions from those who have experienced a-z, then the person asking the basic questions feels frustrated. It's not personal, just futile.