THEGUY

Dec 30, 2007, 3:03 pm

Out of 220 box chances to win, you actually average about 110!!? Then subtract your favorite combinations, i.e. the number of 2 digit numbers that can be made of pk3 and pk4 numbers from the previous drawing, somewhere near 25. Making your chances of winning the box pk3 combination 1 in 75!!? More later on the 22x10 matrix tracking system

Badger

Dec 30, 2007, 8:34 pm

In response to THEGUY

**Quote:** Originally posted by THEGUY on Dec 30, 2007

Out of 220 box chances to win, you actually average about 110!!? Then subtract your favorite combinations, i.e. the number of 2 digit numbers that can be made of pk3 and pk4 numbers from the previous drawing, somewhere near 25. Making your chances of winning the box pk3 combination 1 in 75!!? More later on the 22x10 matrix tracking system

You will have to explain more clearly. You say the number of combinatons that can be made from pk3 digits from the previous drawing is somewhere near 25? Actually, the number of pk3 combinations (permutations or perms) that can be made from the previous drawing is 6 if the draw was not a double. It is 3 if it was a double.

And the same three digits seldom show up two draws in a row.

THEGUY

Dec 31, 2007, 12:33 pm

Sorry I did rush my post. I 'm talking about assigning a line number to the 220 box combinations, 1-220, about half contain doubles and the triples. From the numbers drawn 2 digit numbers can be form giving you additional line numbers which you could discount. obviously you could also use the numbers drawn out of pk5 or 6. Combinations containing duplicate or triplicate numbers only account for 35% of the drawings. Betting on pk3 combos that have no duplicate numbers should raise the possibilty of you winning provided your 1 in appx. 75 guess was correct. There are only 220 boxed combinations, the six different ways means nothing since they all pay the same. I call them "the lowest boxed combinations". I used the 3 X10 grid to "splain" it to me and one once. I think its ashame that human intervention breaks up the the trend once some one uses this form to track the results. Listing the results in a low to high format would give the bettor a good sense of the low and the high and form a trend for the mid. However after two days, combos with higher lows start to appear and the obvious doubling. Quite sad I feel.

RJOh

Dec 31, 2007, 12:42 pm

What were the real world results when you tried it? Or is all this just fantasy talk? What could happen and what do happens are two different things.

Badger

Dec 31, 2007, 8:25 pm

In response to THEGUY

**Quote:** Originally posted by THEGUY on Dec 31, 2007

Sorry I did rush my post. I 'm talking about assigning a line number to the 220 box combinations, 1-220, about half contain doubles and the triples. From the numbers drawn 2 digit numbers can be form giving you additional line numbers which you could discount. obviously you could also use the numbers drawn out of pk5 or 6. Combinations containing duplicate or triplicate numbers only account for 35% of the drawings. Betting on pk3 combos that have no duplicate numbers should raise the possibilty of you winning provided your 1 in appx. 75 guess was correct. There are only 220 boxed combinations, the six different ways means nothing since they all pay the same. I call them "the lowest boxed combinations". I used the 3 X10 grid to "splain" it to me and one once. I think its ashame that human intervention breaks up the the trend once some one uses this form to track the results. Listing the results in a low to high format would give the bettor a good sense of the low and the high and form a trend for the mid. However after two days, combos with higher lows start to appear and the obvious doubling. Quite sad I feel.

Yes, there are 220 boxed combinations. Ten of those are triples. One hundred twenty of them are "singles" or "nomatch" (i.e. no repeating digit in them) and 90 of them are doubles (two repeating digits)

Singles are drawn approx 70% of the time and doubles approx 29% of them time. You'll find the majority of the people on LP here already know this...it's "Pick 3 101" so to speak. If you chase doubles, you're a specialty player. Most people play the singles **because** they will hit more often.

The question is, **which** singles are likely to hit on any given day. Once you can do that with a reasonable number of played combinations, and do it consistently, then you have something. But one of your played boxes has to come in before you end up spending 40 bucks on your played combinations, or else you lose money even if you hit.

LckyLary

Dec 31, 2007, 8:42 pm

With Boxing you are playing 3 or 6 straight combinations for 50c total instead of separate as in Wheel. Because you put either 1/3 or 1/6 of 50c depending on doubles or not doubles, that is your payout, 1/3 or 1/6 the STR payout. Obviously if it's non-double you cover 6 STRs thus the odds are 6/1000. You can't "number" all the BOX combinations and base the odds that way, because some of them would have to have higher "weight". It's like saying you have 10 bowlers, the odds of any bowler getting the high score is not 1/10, even though the odds of drawing their name from a hat is.

The question is actually which 3-digit STR is likely to hit. I only go for box doubles if one of the digits is very strong that it might show up twice.

Put another way, say you play 2345 box, it comes 2344. It could have been 2341, it's still a missout.

THEGUY

Jan 6, 2008, 2:01 pm

Considering the odds if you had $40 bucks thats 80 chances at a 50 cent rate. Here you only win a 1.50 but even that is better than loss. Most average about thirty and when I see people buying the $10 and up scratch tickets, I wander how their brain must work! I just beleive if you take the 70% like one reply says assign a number to those "nomatch" combos, use your brains, that 60 block of decisions has to win more times than thirty or 15 ,as it seems , of your favorites. Try it, you have 11 columns of 10 numbers, track the 11 columns for the past week I bet you'll make a winning descision soon based on the column numbers. Apply your gambling habit of thirty dollars a day to it and you'll see you should have won more times. What is the percentage of odd column hits to even column hits? $25 says I should be that kind of "odd or even" type gambler as a manner of consistent wins.

I'm still "throwing darts" because my winning nights come from gambling less than two dollars on systems that are presently accurate. That's my gambling habit and it won't change. I'm egotistical, I believe I am very close to a winning night every night therefore there is no need to spend over two dollars a day gambling on numbers. I believe I should understand what the winning combination should be from applying some simple math to the drawing results or mathematically centering on a block of numbers called "the spread".

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