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Almost everyone is saying that there is no solution to the high gas prices at the pump. The politicians say we should throw up our hands and surrender to the current gas extortion. They say do more car-pooling, buy a smaller car and cut back on other expenses. They say be happy because Europe is paying $6.00/gallon. We all need to buy gas for our autos….that is understood, and I am not suggesting we all give up driving.

But I say “Give-me-a-break”. I say something we can do something about it right now.

The answer is….To Divide And Conqueror.

If there are too many enemies massing against you and you are outnumbered and outgunned….then the solution is to divide your enemies. Find a way for them to turn upon each other….and there is nothing like money, profit and greed to cause even the closest bedfellows to fall out of love with each other.

There needs to be an organized movement throughout the United States to select one gas mogul and not to purchase petroleum from them for a period of at least three months. I say there is nothing like starting at the head of the snake…..the biggest Honcho Exxon-Mobile. Start hurting them in the pocket and we will be surprised to see how quickly there will be a sudden surplus of gas….and all the other nonsense excuses for raising prices will disappear.

As long as we continue to support these companies equally….they will have no reason to change their ways. So start with the big fish and let us see if he is motivated to communicate with his buddies.

No more Exxon gas for me!

 J

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Well I feel your pain. I about cried when I put gas into my car yesterday and the gage hardly moved but my purse was empty! 2.99 a gallon

 

But does not Exxon-Mobile supply everyone? Even if you do not stop at their stations they would be the supplier for other stations? Just asking? How would a person know who the supplier was for every gas station? It may be a stupid question but it made me think of asking anyway LOL!
konane's avatar - wallace

Latest data says China is using about 40% of the world's crude and that % is climbing daily.

We haven't had a refinery built in 10 years due to "greens legislation" and our refineries are currently running at capacity.

"Greens" have pressured us into not drilling in the small section of ANWAR which was set aside for oil exploration.

Also these links to posts in my blog will give a more in depth explanation of why we are where we are with oil prices which are dictated by supply and demand on world markets.

Thank the environmentalists while you're at it because the vast majority of our problems now rest squarely on their shoulders.

 

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Gas is gas and it all comes from the same supplier.  Each large city has a "tank farm" which holds all the gas.  Each corner gas station orders from the same "tank farm".  The difference lies in the additives; additives which are added to the tanker truck while being filled.

The oil companies do operate oil  rigs all over the world.  Some of  the crude oil is shipped to refineries in the USA ( I do not know who owns the refineries) and from there is pumped via pipe lines to various tank farms. 

The oil companies will make money regardless of any boycott for they are all buddy/buddy.  However, I feel that a boycott is an excellant idea.  It would send a message.

My question is this:  "Who gets the $75.00 per barrel?"  Do the Arabs get it?  Do the oil companies get it?  Who gets the money?

konane's avatar - wallace

Gas is gas and it all comes from the same supplier.  Each large city has a "tank farm" which holds all the gas.  Each corner gas station orders from the same "tank farm".  The difference lies in the additives; additives which are added to the tanker truck while being filled.

The oil companies do operate oil  rigs all over the world.  Some of  the crude oil is shipped to refineries in the USA ( I do not know who owns the refineries) and from there is pumped via pipe lines to various tank farms. 

The oil companies will make money regardless of any boycott for they are all buddy/buddy.  However, I feel that a boycott is an excellant idea.  It would send a message.

My question is this:  "Who gets the $75.00 per barrel?"  Do the Arabs get it?  Do the oil companies get it?  Who gets the money?

Actually I heard that the federal government gets more profit from gas through taxes than the oil companies do. 

 

Also just heard on the news that 20% of our gas production facilities are offline due to damage caused by Katrina and will remain offline for awhile longer.

Fourwayz's avatar - Trek Borgsym4.gif

I try to do my part by driving my Honda 1987 Honda Accord (33+ MPG) and my 1988 Honda CRX (49+ MPG). Our truck and custom van are for "special" trips. That's where I'll hit them and "soften" the blow on my wallet!

Konformthismfs's avatar - lisasham

Some mechanic needs to come up with a conversion kit from electric forklifts to cars. Forklifts weight 2-3 times that of a car and then lift and carry 2-3 times the weight of a car, all day long without needing a charge.  And what i've seen of them, the batteries are not that big. The cost of converting a car could easily be made up from savings on not buying gas, not buying oil changes, not buying tune-ups, etc...

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An excellent idea but, unfortunately, the American people will not inconvenience themselves for a common cause. If there's a Mobil station on the corner where they buy their gas on their way to or from work, they won't drive six blocks out of their way to buy from Citgo.

If you want to fight the high price of gas, buy crude oil options or invest in oil service companies such as Schlumberger, Inc. It won't bring the price of gasoline down, but you'll make enough money to pay for your gas for the next year.

As long as China and India continue to develop their free-market economies, the demand for crude oil and all of its byproducts will continue to increase. Also, Iran is in a position to disrupt the entire world oil supply, should their president elect to do so, and I expect that he will, probably within the next sixty days. When this happens, we'll be paying around $4.50/ gallon or more, as the price of crude spikes to around $130/ bbl overnight. At this point, President Bush will order the release of our strategic reserves, but it still won't be enough; it might bring the price down by about twenty cents per gallon but that relief will only be temporary.

If anyone is to blame here, it's people like me; investors and speculators who trade commodities and commodity options. There are only so many contracts to be had, so for every investor who makes money on a contract, there's someone else on the other end of the trade who lost an equal amount.

It's not that difficult; if you've ever bought something at an open auction, you have the ability, with a little study, to trade commodities in your chosen market.

Barring the complete obliteration of the exchanges, the price of crude oil will continue to rise, which means the price of gasoline will also continue to rise. As I mentioned, any relief will be temporary, since our government isn't going to sanction or otherwise impose unwelcome tax liabilities on the oil companies. Even if they did, Big Oil would only pass that liability on to the end consumer, and they would probably move their operations out of the country as well.

Sorry to say it, folks, but we're stuck with high gas prices for the long haul. 

four4me's avatar - gate1

It's not just gas prices that are affected by the rising cost of oil. Crude oil is also used in many products, all plastics are made from oil as well as tires, asphalt and automotive products. Where fuel is concerned there just aren't enough refining outfits to meet the demand for gas consumshion.

What kills me is the automakers haven't come up with a viable engine which would run without the gas. Or use less of it for power. The automakers are in cahoots with the oil companies and oil has replaced gold in the money market so to speak.

Because of this we will all suffer. If they don't come up with a plan to phase out gasoline engines they will continue to suck the oil out of the ground until it's all gone.

Boycotting didn't work in the 70's and it won't work in the 2000's. About the only way it might work is if everyone in the US and other countries except for police, fire, and emergency vehicles. Didn't put fuel in their cars for say 3 days. And that aint gonna happen because many industries that deliver goods and services require the use of fuel and airplanes need to fly. These companies might be bankrupted as a result of such action. The oil companies know this and that is the mechanism that drives them === people needing fuel.

hence the saying "they have us over the barrel"

 

dnroth's avatar - pryd

It's not just gas prices that are affected by the rising cost of oil. Crude oil is also used in many products, all plastics are made from oil as well as tires, asphalt and automotive products. Where fuel is concerned there just aren't enough refining outfits to meet the demand for gas consumshion.

What kills me is the automakers haven't come up with a viable engine which would run without the gas. Or use less of it for power. The automakers are in cahoots with the oil companies and oil has replaced gold in the money market so to speak.

Because of this we will all suffer. If they don't come up with a plan to phase out gasoline engines they will continue to suck the oil out of the ground until it's all gone.

Boycotting didn't work in the 70's and it won't work in the 2000's. About the only way it might work is if everyone in the US and other countries except for police, fire, and emergency vehicles. Didn't put fuel in their cars for say 3 days. And that aint gonna happen because many industries that deliver goods and services require the use of fuel and airplanes need to fly. These companies might be bankrupted as a result of such action. The oil companies know this and that is the mechanism that drives them === people needing fuel.

hence the saying "they have us over the barrel"

 

One interesting thing happened shortly after September 11, 2001 in Superior, Wisconsin.  Superior is home to a pipeline terminal for Enbridge.  A rumor raced through the town that the pipeline was going to be shutting down, or something to that effect.  It sent people running to the gas stations.  Well, the pipeline didn't shut down, and gas prices plummeted after the rush on the stations...

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What kills me is the automakers haven't come up with a viable engine which would run without the gas. Or use less of it for power. The automakers are in cahoots with the oil companies and oil has replaced gold in the money market so to speak.
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I have seen and heard different stories in my lifetime where an Individual or small company came up with workings ideas for less gas consumption.

The best one I heard was where an individual bought a car in N.Y. state and was getting about 80 miles to a Gallon. He wrote the automaker about how pleased he was about it. Well the car company came to his home and gave him two or three vehicles for that one.
He was told that that vehicle was a test prototype and was not meant to be put on the sales floor. It got there somehow.

Gas companies and auto makers have been sleeping in the same bed for a long time.

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They have been making gas powered engines for almost 100 years and they can not figure it out yet. Give me a break.

There should be enough knowledge out there to come up with a powerplant that does not require gas power.

I am quite certain space ships from other planets do not stop at the local gas pump.

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They have been making gas powered engines for almost 100 years and they can not figure it out yet. Give me a break.

There should be enough knowledge out there to come up with a powerplant that does not require gas power.

I am quite certain space ships from other planets do not stop at the local gas pump.

True. The Voyager & Pioneer spacecraft are still "phoning home".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_10 

It's not that the info is not there, it is that there is so much regulation in place. The gov't has been regulating the oil cos since the breakup of Standard Oil. Where you can build, what you can build, how much you can charge, etc. But the pols want to pass the blame in an election year. They won't even admit (or don't know) why oil is mainly priced in dollars on the world markets in the first place.

cybero's avatar - cybero2

You know what this country really needs? This country needs a little "revolution" to stir the pot up! Then we need another "tea party" but not with tea! Then we need to march to Washington and "Take America Back" from all the fat cat politicians, REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS!!


Kick all their a@$es out of office and start over! The country is in sad shape, makes me so sick I am ready to fly north to the land of maple leafs! Just look at how many people vote each presidential election, it is pitiful.

 And yes I do vote, I vote every chance I get and if I don't like what u are doing I will vote to give yer a$% the boot! Nuff' said!

 

 

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Almost everyone is saying that there is no solution to the high gas prices at the pump. The politicians say we should throw up our hands and surrender to the current gas extortion. They say do more car-pooling, buy a smaller car and cut back on other expenses. They say be happy because Europe is paying $6.00/gallon. We all need to buy gas for our autos..that is understood, and I am not suggesting we all give up driving.

But I say "Give-me-a-break". I say something we can do something about it right now.

The answer is..To Divide And Conqueror.

If there are too many enemies massing against you and you are outnumbered and outgunned..then the solution is to divide your enemies. Find a way for them to turn upon each other..and there is nothing like money, profit and greed to cause even the closest bedfellows to fall out of love with each other.

There needs to be an organized movement throughout the United States to select one gas mogul and not to purchase petroleum from them for a period of at least three months. I say there is nothing like starting at the head of the snake...the biggest Honcho Exxon-Mobile. Start hurting them in the pocket and we will be surprised to see how quickly there will be a sudden surplus of gas..and all the other nonsense excuses for raising prices will disappear.

As long as we continue to support these companies equally..they will have no reason to change their ways. So start with the big fish and let us see if he is motivated to communicate with his buddies.

No more Exxon gas for me!

J

Actually, if you began boycotting one oil company, it might INCREASE the price of oil because if that action drives the company out of business, its competitors have less incentive to hold prices down. The only way to cure the prices is to just not use as much oil overall.

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Yeah, I have heard of someone developing a way to charge water enough to power an engine.

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It's called steam. Steam cars have the same problems electric cars do. Range.

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They need to put this technology in a car. As long as you don't get rear-ended, I think it'll work safely.

Fusion is the solution. I saw a show on the Science channel a while back, where they showed  a huge plant where the process of fusion was being experimented. This wharehouse sized plant could only produce one explosion/combustion once every few days or so. After the combustion, it had to be partially taken apart and cleaned, and wiped down, which took a few days. And that was just one explosion, so to speak. To run a car or anything else, they need to have a way to repeat those explosions constantly, without those interruptions. A long way to go, but well worth it.

A gallon of water will have the equivalence of 300 gallons of gasoline. And no dangerous residue and enviornmentally safe.

Fusion is the process that powers the sun and the stars. It is the reaction in which two atoms of hydrogen combine together, or fuse, to form an atom of helium. In the process some of the mass of the hydrogen is converted into energy. The easiest fusion reaction to make happen is combining deuterium (or “heavy hydrogen) with tritium (or “heavy-heavy hydrogen”) to make helium and a neutron. Deuterium is plentifully available in ordinary water. Tritium can be produced by combining the fusion neutron with the abundant light metal lithium. Thus fusion has the potential to be an inexhaustible source of energy.

To make fusion happen, the atoms of hydrogen must be heated to very high temperatures (100 million degrees) so they are ionized (forming a plasma) and have sufficient energy to fuse, and then be held together i.e. confined, long enough for fusion to occur. The sun and stars do this by gravity. More practical approaches on earth are magnetic confinement, where a strong magnetic field holds the ionized atoms together while they are heated by microwaves or other energy sources, and inertial confinement, where a tiny pellet of frozen hydrogen is compressed and heated by an intense energy beam, such as a laser, so quickly that fusion occurs before the atoms can fly apart.

Who cares?
Scientists have sought to make fusion work on earth for over 40 years. If we are successful, we will have an energy source that is inexhaustible. One out of every 6500 atoms of hydrogen in ordinary water is deuterium, giving a gallon of water the energy content of 300 gallons of gasoline. In addition, fusion would be environmentally friendly, producing no combustion products or greenhouse gases. While fusion is a nuclear process, the products of the fusion reaction (helium and a neutron) are not radioactive, and with proper design a fusion power plant would be passively safe, and would produce no long-lived radioactive waste. Design studies show that electricity from fusion should be about the same cost as present day sources.

We’re getting close! While fusion sounds simple, the details are difficult and exacting. Heating, compressing and confining hydrogen plasmas at 100 million degrees is a significant challenge. A lot of science and engineering had to be learned to get fusion to where we are today. Both magnetic and inertial fusion programs expect to build their next experiments that will reach ignition and produce more energy than they consume shortly after the year 2000. If all goes well, commercial application should be possible by about 2020, providing humankind a safe, clean, inexhaustible energy source for the future.


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Back in the fifties and sixties people were inventing VoltsWagons, and you could buy a tiny car called the King Midget for next to nothing, looked like a jeap on a golf cart frame with a 5 HP motor.  Now inovation is illegal in the name of safety yet we pretend to still be a nation of inventors.

Where are the steam cars that use microwaves to heat the water, the hydrogen burning engines that produce water not that stupid fuel cell nonsense.  Or a water engine with enough compression to flash water vapor to steam using gasoline just for runing a cranking engine to get started. 

Frankly I think the there are too many people out for themselves for things to be fixed.  In Florida the criminals that run the government passed a law making all mobile homes worth $1,375. per title if a developer wants to buy the park to build something, it is legal stealing and the courts support it while we call it a crime against humanity when the Chinese throw people off land the government wants with little or no compensation. 

There is a mobile home park across from me where people who take home less then a grand a month are being tossed out of homes they own by greedy developers.  I speak out against this at the planning and zoning meeting and am ignored. The zombie like board pass the plan without even looking at the pictures of what the development will look like or asking questions.  Nothing like watching business in action when the fix is in.   

BobP


Back in the fifties and sixties people were inventing VoltsWagons, and you could buy a tiny car called the King Midget for next to nothing, looked like a jeap on a golf cart frame with a 5 HP motor.  Now inovation is illegal in the name of safety yet we pretend to still be a nation of inventors.

 King Midget was a home-build kit.  But today the grandsons are out there posing as utility vehicles... Kawasaki Mule is an example.  Simple, light, perfect commuter vehicle.

Except the US Department of Transportation won't allow any state or city to let them on the roads.  No airbags, no Ralph Naderisms, too good on gas (or diesel) mileage.

But we're safer for not having the option of buying and using one.  That's the important thing.

I suppose.  Those King Midgets, Model A cars, 1953 Oldsmobiles WWII Jeeps weren't safe enough.  Certainly no safer than the unsafe Kawasaki Mule.

Weird, though.  They still allow rice rockets on the highway, Harley Davidsons, Hondos.  They don't have enough wheels to make them unsafe, I reckons.

Jack

 

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I have not purchased 1oz of any thing from Exxon since they destroyed the Alaskan enviroment then had the nerve to cry that it was costing them too much to clean up after that drunken slob that they hired destroyed it. Also, they just gave their CEO 400 million what the HE__ was that for?

 

 

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Good luck to all that play.

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I have not purchased 1oz of any thing from Exxon since they destroyed the Alaskan enviroment then had the nerve to cry that it was costing them too much to clean up after that drunken slob that they hired destroyed it. Also, they just gave their CEO 400 million what the HE__ was that for?

 

 

Argue

Good luck to all that play.

I guess you mean: what the "sHELL" LOL

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Boycotts do no good. They only transfer the surplus of gas, that might have been used for a particular station, and utilized it overseas, or some other outlet. The only person you're hurting is the owner of the station, who depends on people to shop for gas, and maybe buy something else, while the customer browses the store.

Like I said earlier in this post, the culprit is the oil companies. The price of crude oil, and the 18 percent tax on it. That's who we have to be mad at. However, even though the Gas companies are raking in the 7 or 8 cents net profit, I think they should lower it to like 3 or 4 cents, just to give the people a break, along with the cutting off of the 18 percent tax by the government.

The only drawback, is how the shareholders of the gas companies would feel about lowering the profit zone.

A catch 22. But atleast the govt. can afford to take off the 18 cents tax. Better than nothing.

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Any Seinfeld fans in here? Remember the episode where Kramer and Neuman wanted to start a rickshaw business? Lot of potential there today...Big Grin

Tenaj's avatar - michellea

Any Seinfeld fans in here? Remember the episode where Kramer and Neuman wanted to start a rickshaw business? Lot of potential there today...Big Grin

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LAVERNE MALONEY's avatar - smallgirl

I can remember back to when I was a little girl. I had a beautiful red car with silver chrome, horn, headlights, the works, the top of the line. In order to move this car I had two foot pedals, I would alternate press, right foot left foot. I could get around really well.

I use to go to the grocery store with the adults & could pedal & they would walk with me. Back then we had Duz laundry detergent with a free 8oz drinking glass inside. They would strap that big box of Duz laundry detergent on the flat back part of my car plus maybe a 5 lb bag of potatoes & we were home free. The adults would have those pull hand carts.

Perhaps on a much larger scale it would be nice to have one of those cars I had when I was very young. It does remind me of the Flintstones, but they used their feet. Or perhaps use the same concept as is used in those motorized chairs only on a larger scale.

Now of course neither of these options will get you to any long distance destinations, but it would be nice to see the motorized option explored.

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General Motors produces an engine in Brazil that utilizes either alcohol or gasolone.  The engines have sensors that adjust the air flow to match the fuel.

Our government today is subsidizing the construction of ethynol plants in South Dakota and (rumor has it) one in Nashville.

There are millions of acres of once cultivated land doing nothing today but growing weeds as a scenic drive thru Mississippi will attest.  May I suggest the Natchez Trace.

Now if the government would only turn the southern moonshiner loose, we could fill every gas tank in America twice a day and three times on Sunday.  Every cultivateable acre of land would be planted with corn.  Alcohol would flow like water and cost just about as much.

There is one down side, however.  Alcohol might get your car drunk.  And alcohol makes her fenders fall off.

 

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Two problems:

  • The oil companies don't have a monopoly on fuel grown by farmers,
  • Nobody has a monopoly on backyard stills,

which,

Assures it will remain verboten

Assures backyard entrepreneurs who try it will end up in the slammer with various other entrepreneurs involving verboten activities. 

The war against alcohol ain't entirely over  It's just been a sort of cold war since the repeal of prohibition. Our eyes are focused on the wars on drugs and terrorism, but the war on alcohol's equally important to keep us safe. 

Until gas prices got where they are I thought Johnson's war on poverty was put to bed, but sounds as though it might be coming back.

Jack

 

konane's avatar - wallace

Found this on another site but it gets the point across as to what's costs are involved in gas production, and to my knowledge this does not include all the embedded taxes time*treat was talking about.

I'm for developing an engine to burn canola oil.  Seems plentiful enough ... they're putting it into all kinds of foods on the basis it's "good for you."  For those who're allergic to it, it doesn't seem to live up to that definition so motor fuel seems a fine use.  

justxploring's avatar - villiarna

I think the increase in gasoline prices is a ruse by the cereal companies. Last time I walked down that aisle in the supermarket, I thought I turned into a real estate office by mistake.

dvdiva's avatar - 8ball

Found this on another site but it gets the point across as to what's costs are involved in gas production, and to my knowledge this does not include all the embedded taxes time*treat was talking about.

I'm for developing an engine to burn canola oil.  Seems plentiful enough ... they're putting it into all kinds of foods on the basis it's "good for you."  For those who're allergic to it, it doesn't seem to live up to that definition so motor fuel seems a fine use.  

The best conversion vechicle for vegi oil is an old mercedes (like I own). Problem is you need warm temps out to use it. Same reason why there is a winter blend of diesel. Vegitable oil is still expensive though.

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