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Explaination of Pick 5 needed

lottaloot's avatar - AvatarZ56

I have grown a little bored with pick 3 tracking & would like to take a stab at pick 5 for a minute or two.

Can someone explain what the number range is so that I can attempt to make an excel spreadsheet & track these hits as well?

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Michigan Fantasy 5 is 1 - 39 numbers.

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Nj has 40

lottaloot's avatar - AvatarZ56

So there are different ranges of numbers for specific states?

I have fantasy 5's data & am about to place into my sheet now.

Can anyone tell me how I determine the number of combinations that could be obtained for fantasy 5?

lottaloot's avatar - AvatarZ56

Maybe I didn't say it right.

If I could afford to play ALL combinations for a guaranteed hit, How many tickets would I have to buy???

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How to Win

Match
Prize
Odds to Win
5 of 5Jackpot starts at $100,0001 in 575,757
4 of 5$1001 in 3,387
3 of 5$101 in 103
2 of 5$11 in 10
Overall odds to win: 1 in 9

This is for Michigan Fantasy 5. Don't know if it helps or not.
lottaloot's avatar - AvatarZ56

So if I understand this correctly, that's 575,757 tickets.

If that's so, the journey ends here.  It took FOREVER for me to get all 10,000 pick 4 combinations into excel.

I'll rack my little "pebble" brain for sure trying to get 575,757 combinations into excel.  Troll

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NJ Cash5 has all the recent data (http://www.state.nj.us/lottery/games/1-3-3_jc5_history.shtml), I would assume other states have a similar page.  I used to know where the NJ C5 downloadable delimited data was, but forgot.

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most of the lottery games are usually a 5/39 matrix.i think michigan is too i'm not sure.......there are certain ones with 34 or 35 numbers a couple with 40 or over but 5/39 is the norm.

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So there are different ranges of numbers for specific states?

I have fantasy 5's data & am about to place into my sheet now.

Can anyone tell me how I determine the number of combinations that could be obtained for fantasy 5?

lottaloot, there are various Pick 5 games. Wisconsin's is called Badger 5 and it's a 5/31 game. Pick 5 is not standardized like Pick 3 and Pick 4 (having a finite amount of digits/numbers)

I can only tell you that in our 5/31 game there are 169,911 combinations.

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Lottaloot -

Formula for total possibilities in Pick 5 games:

(a)x(a-1)x(a-2)x(a-3)x(a-4)
          1x2x3x4x5

where "a" represents the number of balls in the drawing.

More info, total possibilities and formulas on my website. Somewhat out of date now, but the formulas remain the same.

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So if I understand this correctly, that's 575,757 tickets.

If that's so, the journey ends here.  It took FOREVER for me to get all 10,000 pick 4 combinations into excel.

I'll rack my little "pebble" brain for sure trying to get 575,757 combinations into excel.  Troll

Lotta, if anyone can do it, I am sure you will. BUT, I ask you to take into consideration the following:

1) No 5 number game has ever occurred more then a few thousand times.

2) Even if you combine ALL the 5 number games across the US, you will still only have about 10% of the possible combinations produced.

 Instead, ruther then evaluate against such a huge obstacle, might I suggest a different approach. Consider comparative analysis. List ALL the 5 numbers for each state. Then, look for possible trends. Perhaps you may want to consider a "Top down" approach. Basically, set the first number for each state at row 1. Then evaluate downward (and across if you do a column for each state on a single spreadsheet). As you get closer to the more recent draws, you may begin to observe patterns. Perhaps a pattern from one state is being duplicated in another state.

Anyway, just some of my rambling thoughts. As for me, I will stick to my simple little method (refer back to a prior post explaining the subtract the current draw from the total number to find numbers for the next draw). It gets me a few free tickets here and there and an occasional decent win from time to time.

Good Luck,

Sir Metro

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Illinois Little Lotto is 5/39 with a progressive jackpot, goes until it's hit and starts over at $100,000.

It used to be 5/30 with a constant jackpot of $200,000 for five out of five but an aggragate payoff for 4 and 3 out of 5, depending if the jackpot was hit or not.  In other words, if you had 4 out of 5 on a night that no one had 5 out of 5 you won a lot more for the 4.

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Ohio Rolling Cash5 is 5/39 with a progressive jackpot, goes until it's hit and starts over at $100,000.

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Lottaloot,

The MI 5/39 game sounds like it's set up exacly like IL Little Lotto with regard to payouts and rollovers. A fun game with "reasonable" odds of hitting the jackpot and usually there is only one winner. It is very popular in IL. The final jackpot is always higher than the estimated jackpot which indicates people are playing it. The 3 of 5 and 4 of 5 payouts are much lower than the odds, but the inclusion of a $1 payout for matching 2 of 5 and the rollovers make up for it.

Have fun with it but please don't attempt to enter 575,000 combos into Excel....the carpal tunnel syndrome you'll develop won't be worth the effort! Bang Head

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