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Hi Friends,



I'm in the middle of Brian Greene's latest book; "The Fabric of the Cosmos"



Of particular interest is the fact that past, present and future exist simultaniously. This according to Einsteins equations of the nature of spacetime.



Thus being, your life and the decisions that you, or anyone else, make along the way are predetermined. There is nothing you can do to change the future. Seems that fate and destiny are a consequence of reality.



It is further stated that at some level you already know the decisions that you will make and the consequences that will dventually result. Your behavior up until the point of decision is an attempt to justify the destined outcome.



Every time that I have won the lottery. Or at least one of those should have, could have, would have experiences. I had a pre-sense that it was the right thing to do at the moment. Of course those feelings don't always come to me. Perhaps the circumstances were not right for the possiblility of success.



The closest I can come to describe the feeling. Is a brain-numbing thumping sensation inside my head accompanied by an elated sense of physical well-being. Like caffeine, nicotine, and adrenaline all rolled into one. Physiological changes before the dvent aside.



Given that the theory of past, present and future existing simultaniously is correct. What could one do to ensure success in predicting the draw dvent?

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Hi,

 Sedertree, if you add to your theory the parallel universe theory..

Then If I play lotto and If I don't win (in this universe), I don't care because in other universe my double actually won the lottery with the same number I played here...

Regards

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Good point and correct as well....

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Are there any useful equations to support the theory?

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If all else is equal...

Raher than trying to predict... what about trying to "Remember" the next draw?

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Hyper,



Once I'm finished with the book. Maybe I can come up with a useful equation for JKing. Einstein distanced himself from Quantum Mechanics, to bad, so sad..... Just read that his cosmological constant was dventually exonerated despite giving up on it when red shift was discovered.



He wanted so bad to believe in a static universe. I'll attribute that to his deep-seated religious beliefs. So Copernican.



Anyway....



Back to the question of parallel universes. How many are there? More importantly, how many do you inhabit? I have my own theory on that.



There are as many parallel universes as there are probabilities for any man-made dvent. It's not as if a new universe sprouts into existence everytime you decide to take a chance on an outcome with a set number of probabilities.



The future is inescapable and destined to be. Let's say YOU are the person who created an dvent with the MOST number of probable outcomes. Therefore at the moment of inflation, long before you or indeed the human race came to be. The exact number of parallel universes came into existance equal to probabilities in the dvent that YOU created.



Sounds good?? Let's say that you play Mega Millions and that is the biggest dvent that you ever take part in. The odds of winning are X so there are X number of parallel universes with a copy of yourself. There are indeed more universes than that. Since I'm sure someday there will be a Super, Super Mega Millions Game sometime in the future.



So lets say that you take a break from Mega Millions and Play the Pick-3. How many universes are there in which you win the Pick-3 with the one number you played straight? The answer is 135,145,920 divided by 1,000. Or 135,146 copies of yourself won the Pick-3. Were you one of the copies that won?



If you are not happy with that many copies of yourself? Playing Russian Roulette is one surefire way to reduce the number of universes with a copy of yourself. Take a six-shooter and equally space out three bullets. Each time you spin the barrel, fire and survive. You reduce the number of copies of yourself by half each time you survive, or don't. (I don't recommend this BTW), there are safer risks to take. LOL



Interesting stuff....

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Very interesting your theory Sedertree,



Well, I'll continue buying lotto tickets to make happy millions of doubles in other parallel universes, maybe later I'll have my turn to win in this universe..



   



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JKing,



Try this neat link;



Quantum Mechanics



The Elegant Universe was Brian Greene's first book.

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 Hmm...some serious talks about parallel universes and even lottery winning in them...and haven't seen someone provided a tiniest   proof about those universes existence so far.


BTW in this universe for a guaranteed 3/6 out of 49 is still something like 163 lines&

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Hyper,



I don't know if you've seen the special;



3 Part Series Special



I had to install realplayer to watch it... well worth it. I've got to get this on DVD.

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Quote:Originally posted by Sedertree on December 29, 2004


Hi Friends,

I'm in the middle of Brian Greene's latest book; "The Fabric of the Cosmos"

Of particular interest is the fact that past, present and future exist simultaniously. This according to Einsteins equations of the nature of spacetime.

Thus being, your life and the decisions that you, or anyone else, make along the way are predetermined. There is nothing you can do to change the future. Seems that fate and destiny are a consequence of reality.

It is further stated that at some level you already know the decisions that you will make and the consequences that will dventually result. Your behavior up until the point of decision is an attempt to justify the destined outcome.

Every time that I have won the lottery. Or at least one of those should have, could have, would have experiences. I had a pre-sense that it was the right thing to do at the moment. Of course those feelings don't always come to me. Perhaps the circumstances were not right for the possiblility of success.

The closest I can come to describe the feeling. Is a brain-numbing thumping sensation inside my head accompanied by an elated sense of physical well-being. Like caffeine, nicotine, and adrenaline all rolled into one. Physiological changes before the dvent aside.

Given that the theory of past, present and future existing simultaniously is correct. What could one do to ensure success in predicting the draw dvent?



Hiya George,

Just a thought here, since we're being into the esoteric sort of....let's say that the nature of time (past, present, future) is as stated. In quantum physics there is also the Multi Universe Theory; that there are an INFINITE number of universes that exist alongside ours that we recognize.

What if both the past AND future -- as we each PERCEIVE them -- are based upon what decisions/choices/actions we each take in the PRESENT? IOW neither the past NOR the future is predetermined. It is constently being "reinvented" by each of us as we take actions IN THE PRESENT MOMENT. So then EACH time we act in the PRESENT, we are spinning-off yet another "alternate" universe of sorts by our actions. If so, then all is not predetermined ; rather ALL POSSIBLE outcomes of EACH ACTION we take are being created in other "alternate" universes....and we - being physical and therefore more or less "forced" to focus our attention on linear experience due to the nature of synaptic discharges which are linear in nature -- are only conscious of ONE OF THESE OUTCOMES AT A TIME?

Just some thoughts for what they're worth. This is the sort of discussion that can get cumbersome and way "out there" LOL ! I've had such a thing turn into email tomes in terms o f discussions, and that is not my aim here. But rather, just something for you to let your mind "percolate upon".

And yeah,  I personally don't believe in either predetermination or predestination. I believe Free Will is our gift, and that free will is what determines what we experience. With the concept of predetermination, there can be no free will.  Again, not wanting to start a hot debate. Just my two cents worth FWIW.  You have a HAPPY NEW YEAR GEORGE !

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Interesting stuff Sedertree... I've often wondered about this.....A nice piece of information on the existence of other dimensions is the the NOVA piece on knot theory and how it may very well offer a theoretical explanation of the existence of other dimensions in time and space.

But, I'm sort of bothered by the idea that there are additional copies of "me" in these other dimensions.  I guess it's a religious thing....Predestination maybe, free will can alter this predestination I think.....but HE may have had that in the works all along....

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The problem with human free will is "The Will of God"



Omnipotent and Omniscient



In theology you are pawns in "Gods Plan" so how can you have free will at all. It is impossible to have your cake and eat it too.



As we speak, particle accelerators like FermiLab and CERN are/will be on the hunt for Gravitons and Sparticles. Discovering these will prove that the equations of quantum mechanics, including parallel universes, are correct without a shadow of a doubt. Then we will be Omniscient.

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Quote from Sedertree's original post:

"Every time that I have won the lottery. Or at least one of those should have, could have, would have experiences. I had a pre-sense that it was the right thing to do at the moment. Of course those feelings don't always come to me. Perhaps the circumstances were not right for the possiblility of success.

The closest I can come to describe the feeling. Is a brain-numbing thumping sensation inside my head accompanied by an elated sense of physical well-being. Like caffeine, nicotine, and adrenaline all rolled into one. Physiological changes before the dvent aside.

Given that the theory of past, present and future existing simultaniously is correct. What could one do to ensure success in predicting the draw dvent?"

George, I found this part of your post interesting.  I just read a book called "Lucky You!" by Randall Fitzgerald.  In his study on the subject he found that invariably people who won were aware that they "were in a groove" similar to the caffeine, nicotine rush you spoke of and in fact summarized the physiology in a very similar way as you did.  So in a sense you answered your own question posed in your last sentence....play when it "feels" right.

Very interesting thread and I will have to read it more thoroughly when I have some time...gotta go buy my tickets now....I'm feeling in the groove. 

Thanks for the post.

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Hi,

 Sedertree, thank you for the link to the Elegant Universe and the M theory, I have 2 interesting books related to the parallel universe phenomena, the 10th dimension and the elegant universe, but I haven't finish to read them yet..

 

How many doubles do we have?

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Congrats on that Sedertree!

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Thanks Hyper,



Still smoke free... I came close to giving in a couple of times.



This has been cold-turkey all the way.



Today is two weeks without a cigarette. Cravings have just about subsided.

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Sedertree....Congrats on the smokefree.

Am smokefree here for 4 years now. Wished the program my wife sells was available back when I quit smoking. Take a shot and smoke no more. She says they have an average of 83% success rate (even higher when the females are removed from the count). And if it's any consolation, since it's been 2 weeks, your body is free of the nicotine. Now all you have to do is stop the emotional "reaching into your shirt pocket" behavior. Believe me, even after 4 years, I tend to still reach into my shirt pocket. Kinda interesting how some foods even taste better.

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Thanks SirMetro,



I know this is it this time. I will never smoke again.



BTW, I gave my brother Matthew a ride to see his son yesterday. OMG, I about gagged at the smell of cigarette smoke on him when he got in.



I actually had to crack the window, sunroof and turn on the vent.



That was probably me not too long ago.



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We need some quantum physics implemented in the predictions software.
In addition we probably need PC hardware(working together with the prediction software) which is able to peek into the future.

The only problem I can see with that is that the balls in lottery drawings appear to perform somewhat to electrons described in a theorem known as Bell's Inequality.  Einstein's fixed universe, full of rules and patterns everything has to obey at every level from sub-atomic upward, was conclusively disproved in 1974, by Stuart Freedom and John Clauser at Berkely.  Again, a lot more precisely a short time later by Alain Aspect at the University of Paris during the early '80s.

Those of us who'd like the universe and reality to settle down and behave itself, follow rules, whether we happen to be paying attention or not, aren't likely to come out of Quantum physics any happier about the state of the universe.  We aren't going to be devising any software that can hit a moving target that knows when we take aim and dodges, as happens with both electrons and pingpong balls painted with numbers.

At least, so it seems to me.  I'd add as an afterthought, that might be one of the reasons the big jackpots are won by Quick Picks, rather than by those of us who have a lot of fancy software, or who study the numbers, the patterns, and line our sights up on them every draw.  I don't discount the obvious fact that a lot more QPs are sold, but those of us who study those numbers and see the patterns ought to be winning better than we do in a more righteous universe.

Jack

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Quote:Originally posted by Rip Snorter on March 12, 2005



I don't discount the obvious fact that a lot more QPs are sold, but those of us who study those numbers and see the patterns ought to be winning better than we do in a more righteous universe.

Jack





Maybe we aren't righteous enough in this righteous universe to pick the righteous lottery numbers.  We are going to have to study the numbers more righteously.

RJOh

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Maybe we aren't righteous enough in this righteous universe to pick the righteous lottery numbers.  We are going to have to study the numbers more righteously.

RJOh


I wouldn't be reading, posting, studying the numbers if I din't believe that's true.  Probably, you, also.  I just happen to harbor more doubts that it can be done than you probably do.  I'm not all that righteous.

Jack

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Quote:Originally posted by Rip Snorter on March 12, 2005



I wouldn't be reading, posting, studying the numbers if I din't believe that's true.  Probably, you, also.  I just happen to harbor more doubts that it can be done than you probably do.  I'm not all that righteous.

Jack







I think those of us who study the numbers, see patterns and pick our own numbers are trying to accomplished in 10-50 lines what is accomplished in thousands of lines with quickpicks and that is impossible.  I've noticed in the pick3 sections people who post the most picks, pick the most winners.  Pick3 posters amaze themselves by posting 50 numbers and having several box hits some where in the country every day.  What are the odds?

RJOh

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Quote:Originally posted by stoopendaal on February 13, 2005


Hi Sedertree,

You might find this link interesting :
http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=126649



Thanks Sedertree for starting this link and thank stoopendaal for this info.

 


 

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