Twelve things not to do if you win the lottery

Aug 27, 2013, 6:47 am (126 comments)

Editorial / Opinion

Imagine becoming vastly wealthy overnight. Being a winner of a multimillion dollar lottery has to be incredible. It certainly is going to be a life-changing event for almost every single lottery winner. But what about when the prize is an astronomical sum of $100 million, $200 million or $300 million? If you happen to be lucky enough to win a lottery, please avoid some of the simple mistakes, and complex mistakes, that have taken other lottery winners into bankruptcy.

Imagine being Joe Somebody and turning into Sir Joe the Magnificent overnight. Now imagine the unthinkable that Sir Joe could become Joe the Village Idiot in a very short time. Supposedly most lottery winners end up broke again. That just doesn't seem right at all.

24/7 Wall St. has decided to offer up 12 key things not to do if you are a lottery winner. We have looked around at many research papers and other articles on the matter about those who land in instant riches against all odds. It seems too cruel to imagine that many winners become losers. There is a saying that you should only have to get rich once. Some people just cannot help themselves in avoiding the pitfalls of instant wealth.

While many lists exist on what you should do if you win, it is surprising how few actual warnings are out there that can be used a scare-tactic guide that makes lottery winners do the right thing. Did you know that you might become a target if you are a lotto winner? Some people find instant enemies, and some people turn out to be their own worst enemy. It might have been very hard to spend $30 million in 30 days in "Brewster's Millions" during the mid-1980s, but that could be done easily and perhaps just in a single day now.

Some points may overlap or seem redundant, but there are many pitfalls which snag lottery winners or those who find themselves incredibly wealthy in a very short period.

Here are 12 things not to do if you win the lottery:

  • Forget to sign a ticket or report it to the state. After doing some research, we find this is apparently the simplest and easiest error to make. Can you imagine losing a lottery ticket? Then imagine what can happen if someone else snags your ticket and shows up to collect the prize. Fighting over this is no simple task. In a way, lottery tickets are the last form of bearer bonds that anyone collect on if they show up with the coupons and bonds.
  • Tell everyone you know. If you win this much money, chances are high that you will to want to brag about it. How could you not? The problem is that telling everyone you know before you collect puts you in danger, and in more ways that just one. Everyone who has ever done anything for you now may come with their hands out asking for something, or worse. You probably have heard of kidnap and ransom insurance before. One recent lottery winner even became the victim of what appears to be murder. If you can manage it, and if your state allows it, try to remain anonymous for as long as humanly possible. How you became vastly wealthy will be found out in time anyway, but there is no need to hurry that along.
  • Automatically decide to take the up-front cash. Supposedly some 70% of lottery winners end up broke again, many within a couple or few years. If you get $172 million up front, it may sound better than having to receive a payout of $300 million slowly over the course of a lifetime. After all, it is instant empire-making money. Go see a tax pro and a legitimate investment advisor at a top money management firm, a theme you will see here throughout, before you automatically make this decision about a lump-sum or annuity option.
  • Think that you are the smartest person to manage your money and finances. If you go from living paycheck to paycheck, does it sound right that you will know the best things to invest in and the best tax and asset protection strategies? Your drinking buddy might not be the best choice either. Having a solid and respectable team in place will act as your buffer that protects your assets now and in the future. Do you know how to protect your assets against all threats and know exactly how to protect your estate in case you die or become incapacitated? If you answered yes, you probably did not bother playing the lottery.
  • Let your debts remain in place. If you get the "I'm rich and don't have to pay anymore" bug, you might be dooming yourself. Whether you take the lump-sum or the annuity option, if you have a single penny of debt in the immediate future and distant future, then something is seriously wrong. For that matter, you should not have a single debt ever again. If you manage to go broke down the road and still have a mortgage, car payments, student loans, credit card debt and personal bills, all of your friends and family members should get to spank or ridicule you every day for the rest of your life.
  • Become the generous high-roller, living the life. If you go from living a simple life to instantly being able to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more) per week, what do you think happens to your expectations in life ahead? Chances are high that you will want more of the same. If you start gambling in Las Vegas and are not happy until you are gambling with hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more) per play, you are dooming yourself. Wait until the real con men find you. Taking you and your favorite 50 people on a luxury cruise around the world can become very expensive, very fast.
  • Buy everything for everyone, or even for yourself. Do not go out and buy dozens of cars, followed by houses and whatever else, for you and your friends and family members. This will start you on a bad path, and you could easily become the next friends and family personal welfare department. If you start buying everything for everyone, chances are high that they might expect that to last forever. You do not have to be a cheapskate, but after hearing a personal story of someone buying more than 30 cars and multiple houses in three months it is just crazy.
  • Say to hell with a budget. Maybe it sounds crazy that you have to live within means when you get empire-making money. After all, you are now wealthier than everyone you know combined. This also goes back to having advisors and being prudent, but at the end of the day you do still have a finite sum of money. Chances are very high that you will make some serious purchases and your lifestyle will be changed forever. Without setting limits for yourself and for what you do with others is a recipe for disaster. Again, most lottery winners go broke.
  • Become the business backer for all your friends and family. One common theme that has come up with lottery winners (and judgment winners) who suddenly get vast sums of cash is that their friends and family start pitching them on endless business ideas. Sure, some will sound great and some will sound crazy. If someone has no knowledge of a particular business and does not know what it takes to actually run a business, will they do better because a lottery winner who lucked into vast wealth gave them money to start it? If your answer is yes, you seriously need to protect yourself (from yourself).
  • Give away the whole enchilada. This is probably not the case for the vast majority of lottery players, but some people might want to give away just about all of their money to a charity or to their religious institution. You can be generous without doing the unthinkable. Imagine what you will feel like down the road when a serious crisis arises in your life or your family's life, knowing that you no longer had the means to change it. Should you be charitable? Absolutely! Should you give it all away? Absolutely not!
  • Get celebrity and athlete envy. Keeping up with the Jonses is bad enough, but definitely do not try to keep up with the Kardashians or other celebrities. It may seem cool to own a 200-foot yacht. It may seem practical that certain celebrities have an entourage, or to have a film crew following you around. It may seem cool owning castles in Europe. Owning an original Picasso painting sure sounds impressive. Having a big new private jet makes sense for a lot of people. Trying to dodge taxes might even sound appealing to misguided people. Now go add up the price tags of these things, plus the cool cars and houses and the rest of it. You can go broke real quick. Just ask people like Nicolas Cage, Wesley Snipes, MC Hammer, Evander Holyfield and many other famous people who had it all and ended up broke how they feel about things.
  • Think that laws and decency standards no longer apply. It is true that the wealthier you get, the better attorneys and legal defense you can afford. That being said, living a reckless life without concerns about the laws of the land will not keep you from going to prison (or worse). Movies often glamorize scoundrels, but what good does it do you if you are incredibly wealthy and such a pariah that no one will associate with you? Remember, you don't get to take any of it with you.

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Comments

billionaire2bee

Good points I think they covered everything, I cant think of anything to add to that list. Great info

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

i gonna write some these thangs down

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Your drinking buddy might not be the best choice either. 

Green laugh

Abdi's avatarAbdi

what an amazing article,this one of the article worth paying a platinum member fees for 1 month,because it could safe you $ 640 million jackpot! that you will win !

Abdi's avatarAbdi

Todd should safe this article under the platinum members features and give me one month free subscription for platinum membership for suggesting this! or what do other members suggest? is this article worth paying for it?

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Its your money, and you can spend it anyway you want. If you go broke, then you can wallow in despair, and have nobody to blame, because you did all by yourself. Better to squander your money, than have somebody else do it for you. There are lots of people out there, who are willing to do it for you. Different strokes for different folks.

Piaceri

I'd like the opportunity to test these out. Please. Thank you. White Bounce

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 27, 2013

Its your money, and you can spend it anyway you want. If you go broke, then you can wallow in despair, and have nobody to blame, because you did all by yourself. Better to squander your money, than have somebody else do it for you. There are lots of people out there, who are willing to do it for you. Different strokes for different folks.

"wallow in despair" is a state of mind..... Anyone can do it.

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

Very good points thanks for the info ToddThumbs Up

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by billionaire2bee on Aug 27, 2013

Good points I think they covered everything, I cant think of anything to add to that list. Great info

This whole story is just plain stupid. Take number one for example that says lottery tickets are barer instruments.... WRONG. If the lottery's even get a sniff that the person presenting it is not the purchaser of the ticket they waltz it through the (state) court system to see who the "rightful owner" is.

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

Quote: Originally posted by Piaceri on Aug 27, 2013

I'd like the opportunity to test these out. Please. Thank you. White Bounce

Same here Mrs. P Thumbs Up Let's win one of these JackpotsWink

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by dallascowboyfan on Aug 27, 2013

Same here Mrs. P Thumbs Up Let's win one of these JackpotsWink

I Agree! Thumbs Up

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

This whole story is just plain stupid. Take number one for example that says lottery tickets are barer instruments.... WRONG. If the lottery's even get a sniff that the person presenting it is not the purchaser of the ticket they waltz it through the (state) court system to see who the "rightful owner" is.

Well, you're wrong.  Lottery tickets are bearer instruments.  If someone were to obtain a lottery ticket illegally, like through theft, and that theft could be proven, then most certainly the person could be arrested and they would not be paid the jackpot.  But that's because theft is a crime, and has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that lottery tickets are bearer instruments, which they are.

Smoke Fan

I would keep 5 million and give the rest to the 'Make a Wish' foundation. Get the 5 million in annual payments deposited in my checking account. I have no one but me so this would work just fine.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Aug 27, 2013

Well, you're wrong.  Lottery tickets are bearer instruments.  If someone were to obtain a lottery ticket illegally, like through theft, and that theft could be proven, then most certainly the person could be arrested and they would not be paid the jackpot.  But that's because theft is a crime, and has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that lottery tickets are bearer instruments, which they are.

So if someone finds a winning ticket (as mentioned in the article) they can walk in to the lottery office and say "I found this winning ticket" and the lottery will cash it no questioned asked? I don't think so. 

No disrespect intended, but I think they "barer instruments" only in a technical sense.

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

So if someone finds a winning ticket (as mentioned in the article) they can walk in to the lottery office and say "I found this winning ticket" and the lottery will cash it no questioned asked? I don't think so. 

No disrespect intended, but I think they "barer instruments" only in a technical sense.

By admitting they found it, they are admitting it doesn't belong to them and they are simply turning it in.  The only thing a person doing that can expect is a reward from the owner of the ticket.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Aug 27, 2013

By admitting they found it, they are admitting it doesn't belong to them and they are simply turning it in.  The only thing a person doing that can expect is a reward from the owner of the ticket.

Ok, I see your point. I will be sure NOT to say that I found it when I go to collect the winning jackpot ticket that I find. I was mislead by the words "anyone (can) collect on" that I read in the story.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

Ok, I see your point. I will be sure NOT to say that I found it when I go to collect the winning jackpot ticket that I find. I was mislead by the words "anyone (can) collect on" that I read in the story.

mislead by the wordsGreen laughsign you ticket!

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 27, 2013

mislead by the wordsGreen laughsign you ticket!

IMA find one that is a big winner and sign someone else's ticket with my name.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

IMA find one that is a big winner and sign someone else's ticket with my name.

you just broke 2 of the 12 things not to do Hurray!

Tell everyone you know then you should Buy everything for everyone.

fwlawrence's avatarfwlawrence

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

So if someone finds a winning ticket (as mentioned in the article) they can walk in to the lottery office and say "I found this winning ticket" and the lottery will cash it no questioned asked? I don't think so. 

No disrespect intended, but I think they "barer instruments" only in a technical sense.

When I went to fill out the paperwork at the Texas Lottery yesterday, they had a space on the form you can check off if you actually found the ticket!

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by fwlawrence on Aug 27, 2013

When I went to fill out the paperwork at the Texas Lottery yesterday, they had a space on the form you can check off if you actually found the ticket!

Somehow I'm not surprised. One can only wonder what sort of crime you might commit if you find a winning ticket and DON'T check the box stating that you did if fact find the ticket?

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

Ok, I see your point. I will be sure NOT to say that I found it when I go to collect the winning jackpot ticket that I find. I was mislead by the words "anyone (can) collect on" that I read in the story.

When is one of the real jackpot winners going to tell us "what not to do" and maybe outline the process of validating a ticket?

Because of the Hot Lotto problem Iowa had, we know for fact that states requires the winner to verify they bought the ticket or have the person that did buy the ticket come forward and explain the circumstances. If anyone can collect, why wasn't Crawford Shaw, the 77-year-old lawyer from Bedford, New York paid the Hot Lotto jackpot?.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 27, 2013

When is one of the real jackpot winners going to tell us "what not to do" and maybe outline the process of validating a ticket?

Because of the Hot Lotto problem Iowa had, we know for fact that states requires the winner to verify they bought the ticket or have the person that did buy the ticket come forward and explain the circumstances. If anyone can collect, why wasn't Crawford Shaw, the 77-year-old lawyer from Bedford, New York paid the Hot Lotto jackpot?.

My understanding is that he was supposed to prove the ticket was purchased "legally" in order for the "barer instrument" to be honored by the state.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Bearer instrument is actually a misnomer. It almost sounds like finders keepers. YOU can purchase a winning ticket, and some fool calls the lottery ahead of time, and claims they had the ticket and lost it. The lottery will make you jump through hoops just to collect your money. Maybe we should all start wearing GO-PROS when we go to purchase our tickets.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 27, 2013

When is one of the real jackpot winners going to tell us "what not to do" and maybe outline the process of validating a ticket?

Because of the Hot Lotto problem Iowa had, we know for fact that states requires the winner to verify they bought the ticket or have the person that did buy the ticket come forward and explain the circumstances. If anyone can collect, why wasn't Crawford Shaw, the 77-year-old lawyer from Bedford, New York paid the Hot Lotto jackpot?.

Most lotteries have the claim forms readily available for you to download and see first hand for yourself, or you can go to the office and pick one up.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Its unfortunate that nobody, even talks about taking the annuity, instead of the lump sum anymore. If you are young, and the jackpot is large enough, taking the annuity route might actually be a wise choice. At least you have 26-30 years, before you actually go broke. Most people outgrow their stupidity within the first five years. Better than paying some SUIT AND TIE, you don't know, thousands of dollars to manage your money. Hmm maybe I should take the annuity and use my drinking buddies. To each his own.Yes Nod

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 27, 2013

When is one of the real jackpot winners going to tell us "what not to do" and maybe outline the process of validating a ticket?

Because of the Hot Lotto problem Iowa had, we know for fact that states requires the winner to verify they bought the ticket or have the person that did buy the ticket come forward and explain the circumstances. If anyone can collect, why wasn't Crawford Shaw, the 77-year-old lawyer from Bedford, New York paid the Hot Lotto jackpot?.

Apparently there is still an ongoing criminal investigation. I will forward the story I found to Todd.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 27, 2013

Its unfortunate that nobody, even talks about taking the annuity, instead of the lump sum anymore. If you are young, and the jackpot is large enough, taking the annuity route might actually be a wise choice. At least you have 26-30 years, before you actually go broke. Most people outgrow their stupidity within the first five years. Better than paying some SUIT AND TIE, you don't know, thousands of dollars to manage your money. Hmm maybe I should take the annuity and use my drinking buddies. To each his own.Yes Nod

Maybe you should get "I want cash now" on speed dial before even get to the lottery office?

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

So if someone finds a winning ticket (as mentioned in the article) they can walk in to the lottery office and say "I found this winning ticket" and the lottery will cash it no questioned asked? I don't think so. 

No disrespect intended, but I think they "barer instruments" only in a technical sense.

Yes you can do that, if you like the words:- probable cause, suspect, detained, interrogation, criminal, disrespect and not to mention, unnecessary publicity and if you are really lucky, a trip to jail. I "found" it , in some quarters actually means, I"stole" it.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

So if someone finds a winning ticket (as mentioned in the article) they can walk in to the lottery office and say "I found this winning ticket" and the lottery will cash it no questioned asked? I don't think so. 

No disrespect intended, but I think they "barer instruments" only in a technical sense.

Ronnie, you are misconstruing what was said by Todd and others. The lottery ticket is a bearer instrument since it contains no ownership information upon purchase (unlike regular securities like stocks, etc, which are registered upon purchase with your name, etc.) and by having this instrument you are presumed to be the owner. I think common sense tells us all that anything financial has to be validated but in the case of bearer instruments, it is done after the fact, not when you purchase it.

I really hope you secure legal advice if you ever win a jackpot. Your take on things would end up going viral on the internet. And bearer instruments are NOT a technicality. They are legally recognized in the Uniform Commerical Code in all states.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 27, 2013

Ronnie, you are misconstruing what was said by Todd and others. The lottery ticket is a bearer instrument since it contains no ownership information upon purchase (unlike regular securities like stocks, etc, which are registered upon purchase with your name, etc.) and by having this instrument you are presumed to be the owner. I think common sense tells us all that anything financial has to be validated but in the case of bearer instruments, it is done after the fact, not when you purchase it.

I really hope you secure legal advice if you ever win a jackpot. Your take on things would end up going viral on the internet. And bearer instruments are NOT a technicality. They are legally recognized in the Uniform Commerical Code in all states.

Thanks for the unsolicited advice Artist77  But Im not the one who wrote an article that says anyone who holds a winning ticket can show up and cash it in. Perhaps you should be chastising the writer of the article concerning his understanding of a "barer instrument"? 

"In a way, lottery tickets are the last form of bearer bonds that anyone collect on if they show up with the coupons and bonds."

And by the way, no I wont be securing "legal advise" no matter how large a jackpot I win. Thanks.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

Thanks for the unsolicited advice Artist77  But Im not the one who wrote an article that says anyone who holds a winning ticket can show up and cash it in. Perhaps you should be chastising the writer of the article concerning his understanding of a "barer instrument"? 

"In a way, lottery tickets are the last form of bearer bonds that anyone collect on if they show up with the coupons and bonds."

And by the way, no I wont be securing "legal advise" no matter how large a jackpot I win. Thanks.

Green laugh  It is legal "advice", not advise.

Ronnie316

LOL Well I'm not paying for it, even if it is "advice" lol. With whatever gets deposited into my bank account I will write a check to a guy named "Moe" who will make sure I get a perminate income (no annuity) for the rest of my life, and I will spend the rest. Case clsoed. lol. Yes Nod

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 27, 2013

Ronnie, you are misconstruing what was said by Todd and others. The lottery ticket is a bearer instrument since it contains no ownership information upon purchase (unlike regular securities like stocks, etc, which are registered upon purchase with your name, etc.) and by having this instrument you are presumed to be the owner. I think common sense tells us all that anything financial has to be validated but in the case of bearer instruments, it is done after the fact, not when you purchase it.

I really hope you secure legal advice if you ever win a jackpot. Your take on things would end up going viral on the internet. And bearer instruments are NOT a technicality. They are legally recognized in the Uniform Commerical Code in all states.

Are you suggesting that I should be the purrrr-fectionist that you are Artist77 ? Let no think about it.....

No thanks. Green laugh

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

Are you suggesting that I should be the purrrr-fectionist that you are Artist77 ? Let no think about it.....

No thanks. Green laugh

lol  Yes, why thank you very much. I know hard work and discipline is not your thing.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 27, 2013

lol  Yes, why thank you very much. I know hard work and discipline is not your thing.

Thats funny because the last time I checked being in control of everything and being a perfectionist has nothing to do with hard work or discipline. I could have missed my guess about you, but unless you work and manage a farm Im giving good odds that I can do more work before lunch time than you do in a month. lol.

Romancandle's avatarRomancandle

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Aug 27, 2013

Well, you're wrong.  Lottery tickets are bearer instruments.  If someone were to obtain a lottery ticket illegally, like through theft, and that theft could be proven, then most certainly the person could be arrested and they would not be paid the jackpot.  But that's because theft is a crime, and has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that lottery tickets are bearer instruments, which they are.

I've always wondered about this... they say "you" should sign the ticket right away... what if you formed a blind trust or LLC (not sure if I''ve got the terminology right).

But anyway... the intent would be to not broadcast yourself as the winner (anonymity).

Shouldn't the name of the trust be on ticket vs "your name" in that case?  Probably mixing a bunch of stuff up here.

Elizabeth03's avatarElizabeth03

Always sign your lottery ticket as soon as you buy it!!

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

Thats funny because the last time I checked being in control of everything and being a perfectionist has nothing to do with hard work or discipline. I could have missed my guess about you, but unless you work and manage a farm Im giving good odds that I can do more work before lunch time than you do in a month. lol.

some people work harder some people work smarter Yes Nod

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Elizabeth03 on Aug 27, 2013

Always sign your lottery ticket as soon as you buy it!!

I Agree! and make some copies so you can show everyone Hurray!

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Automatically decide to take the up-front cash.

Supposedly some 70% of lottery winners end up broke again, many within a couple or few years.

If you get $172 million up front, it may sound better than having to receive a payout of $300 million slowly over the course of a lifetime.

After all, it is instant empire-making money.

Go see a tax pro and a legitimate investment advisor at a top money management firm, a theme you will see here throughout, before you automatically make this decision about a lump-sum or annuity option.

 

don't you think that is why 70% of them winners end up broke because they take the money upfront? Yes Nod

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 27, 2013

Thats funny because the last time I checked being in control of everything and being a perfectionist has nothing to do with hard work or discipline. I could have missed my guess about you, but unless you work and manage a farm Im giving good odds that I can do more work before lunch time than you do in a month. lol.

Yet you are the one who posts all day long and I do not since I have a career. You seem to have real issues with women, especially ones who have education and expertise beyond your understanding. I recall how insulting you were to Jill.  I also recall the comment about women becoming realtors since only a HS education is needed. My money is on you having a GED at best and an occasional visit to unclog a toilet between posting all day is hardly work. But I think you assume any white collar work is not work. That says it all. You resent the "establishment" who you believe is holding you down.

All you do in the past 6 months is increasingly attack and pick fights with LP people and post idiotic icons over and over. You say things just to see if you can start an argument. It is old. I waited a long time before saying anything. Whatever you are so angry about, I hope you get some counseling. But again, your counselor may be a woman.

maringoman's avatarmaringoman

Since the hot topic is about bearer instruments, allow me to chime in. There was a story in LP and other media about a guy in BlackStone, MA who tossed a winning ticket in the store trash can. Some other guy who used to go through the trash can of that store was lucky that day. He found the winning ticket and went to claim the $1M. The person who bought the ticket sued and they settled out of court. Would lawyers of the one who found the ticket in the trash can "advice" him to settle if the lottery ticket is indeed a bearer instrument? There has to be more to this bearer instrument thing. 

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/121412

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 27, 2013

Yet you are the one who posts all day long and I do not since I have a career. You seem to have real issues with women, especially ones who have education and expertise beyond your understanding. I recall how insulting you were to Jill.  I also recall the comment about women becoming realtors since only a HS education is needed. My money is on you having a GED at best and an occasional visit to unclog a toilet between posting all day is hardly work. But I think you assume any white collar work is not work. That says it all. You resent the "establishment" who you believe is holding you down.

All you do in the past 6 months is increasingly attack and pick fights with LP people and post idiotic icons over and over. You say things just to see if you can start an argument. It is old. I waited a long time before saying anything. Whatever you are so angry about, I hope you get some counseling. But again, your counselor may be a woman.

OUCH!!! That hurts. Is the truth supposed to hurt, or is it just a matter of opinion, or an astute objective observation?

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by maringoman on Aug 27, 2013

Since the hot topic is about bearer instruments, allow me to chime in. There was a story in LP and other media about a guy in BlackStone, MA who tossed a winning ticket in the store trash can. Some other guy who used to go through the trash can of that store was lucky that day. He found the winning ticket and went to claim the $1M. The person who bought the ticket sued and they settled out of court. Would lawyers of the one who found the ticket in the trash can "advice" him to settle if the lottery ticket is indeed a bearer instrument? There has to be more to this bearer instrument thing. 

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/121412

It's just a fleeting illusion.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 27, 2013

Most lotteries have the claim forms readily available for you to download and see first hand for yourself, or you can go to the office and pick one up.

True, but the small print at the bottom of form tells a slightly different story. The signer must declare under the penalty of perjury that no other party is entitled to any part of the payment. State lotteries have different rules and security methods and the News Forum is full of stories about winners who didn't buy the ticket and declared "that no other party is entitled to any part of the payment". Wouldn't it be common sense to ask a jackpot winner if they purchased the ticket and if not how they got it?

If validating a $9 million jackpot prize was as easy as signing their name and address on the back of the ticket, taking the ticket to any lottery retailer to validate it, downloading and filling out the form, signing it, mailing it to lottery headquarters, and simply waiting two or three weeks for the check to arrieve, why didn't Andy Ashkar do it? 

Before Andy had the chance for a really big score, he probably was a "ten percenter" based on his story he paid Miles $4000 in cash for $5000 winning ticket. Andy's store never cashed any $5000 winning tickets for that game and probably why he is in prison.

Tracy Williams did purchase the ticket with the winning jackpot numbers, but her co-workers said they were entitled to part of the payment and filed a law suit. If the ticket is a true bearer instrument legally belonging the bearer of the ticket, why did the judge even hear that case?

A real jackpot winner could tells us whether or not they were asked if they purchased ticket so we wouldn't have to just guess if because the ticket is bearer instrument, the lottery will pay the prize money to the bearer regardless even if they found it in the trash.

RedStang's avatarRedStang

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Aug 27, 2013

By admitting they found it, they are admitting it doesn't belong to them and they are simply turning it in.  The only thing a person doing that can expect is a reward from the owner of the ticket.

I always saw a lotto ticket as currency. Like real money, if no one claims it in time you should get it.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 27, 2013

Its unfortunate that nobody, even talks about taking the annuity, instead of the lump sum anymore. If you are young, and the jackpot is large enough, taking the annuity route might actually be a wise choice. At least you have 26-30 years, before you actually go broke. Most people outgrow their stupidity within the first five years. Better than paying some SUIT AND TIE, you don't know, thousands of dollars to manage your money. Hmm maybe I should take the annuity and use my drinking buddies. To each his own.Yes Nod

"Its unfortunate that nobody, even talks about taking the annuity, instead of the lump sum anymore."

But many members talk about getting a team of financial advisers. Do you really think any financial adviser would tell their client to take the annuity?

"Most people outgrow their stupidity within the first five years."

Are there any stipulations on the claim forms of how any jackpot winner spends their winnings?

Did an actual jackpot winner ask for your advice or do you just know what is best for everyone on how everybody should live their lives and spend their money?

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 27, 2013

"Its unfortunate that nobody, even talks about taking the annuity, instead of the lump sum anymore."

But many members talk about getting a team of financial advisers. Do you really think any financial adviser would tell their client to take the annuity?

"Most people outgrow their stupidity within the first five years."

Are there any stipulations on the claim forms of how any jackpot winner spends their winnings?

Did an actual jackpot winner ask for your advice or do you just know what is best for everyone on how everybody should live their lives and spend their money?

To each his own.Yes Nod

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 27, 2013

To each his own.Yes Nod

If you're talking your jackpot winning experience, no problem.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 27, 2013

If you're talking your jackpot winning experience, no problem.

The bourbon is slowly begining to kick in. If you have any legitimate questions, take a trip to the lottery office, and they will gladly accomodate you. Have a good night Madam.Big Grin

Nikkicute's avatarNikkicute

Quote: Originally posted by Elizabeth03 on Aug 27, 2013

Always sign your lottery ticket as soon as you buy it!!

I Agree! it's that simple...

miracleplay5's avatarmiracleplay5

12 things I will do with my lottery ticket/winnings

1.) Sign the back of my ticket once I find out I won, 2.) Be in Tallahassee, Florida within five minutes of them opening up the next morning. 2.) Claim my money but have on a disguise 3.) choose the annuity. 4)no press conference 5.)Tell my best friend once the money hit my account 6.) Pay my tithe 7.) give my church an additional 5% of my winnings 8.) give my top ten family members&friends some money 9.) start a chain of Fast food vegan restarants 10.) Give a few million to an organization for a cure for cancer research 11.) Donate millions to cancer patients&their families. 12.) open up the world largest homeless shelter that will help not enable people to get back on their feet or begin a successful life as a productive member of society(non profit)...HyperThose are my top 12 do's..oh I feel the win coming soonHyper

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 27, 2013

The bourbon is slowly begining to kick in. If you have any legitimate questions, take a trip to the lottery office, and they will gladly accomodate you. Have a good night Madam.Big Grin

Are you pretending you're an expert on how lottery jackpot winners should spend their winning because you bought a ticket?

Pita Maha's avatarPita Maha

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 27, 2013

Bearer instrument is actually a misnomer. It almost sounds like finders keepers. YOU can purchase a winning ticket, and some fool calls the lottery ahead of time, and claims they had the ticket and lost it. The lottery will make you jump through hoops just to collect your money. Maybe we should all start wearing GO-PROS when we go to purchase our tickets.

Yeah, bad enough lottery winners get harrassed, or even threatened, for money after they've claimed their winnings. But you could run into trouble before you get the chance to claim, when such a fool comes forward and claims it's their ticket that they lost. Like that woman a while back, from Cleveland, I believe it was. You better hope you can prove to the lottery office that you are the rightful owner of the ticket.  Being a lottery winner draws a lot of parasites out of the crevices.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by miracleplay5 on Aug 27, 2013

12 things I will do with my lottery ticket/winnings

1.) Sign the back of my ticket once I find out I won, 2.) Be in Tallahassee, Florida within five minutes of them opening up the next morning. 2.) Claim my money but have on a disguise 3.) choose the annuity. 4)no press conference 5.)Tell my best friend once the money hit my account 6.) Pay my tithe 7.) give my church an additional 5% of my winnings 8.) give my top ten family members&friends some money 9.) start a chain of Fast food vegan restarants 10.) Give a few million to an organization for a cure for cancer research 11.) Donate millions to cancer patients&their families. 12.) open up the world largest homeless shelter that will help not enable people to get back on their feet or begin a successful life as a productive member of society(non profit)...HyperThose are my top 12 do's..oh I feel the win coming soonHyper

"5.)Tell my best friend..."

Hippy Wink

Pita Maha's avatarPita Maha

Quote: Originally posted by miracleplay5 on Aug 27, 2013

12 things I will do with my lottery ticket/winnings

1.) Sign the back of my ticket once I find out I won, 2.) Be in Tallahassee, Florida within five minutes of them opening up the next morning. 2.) Claim my money but have on a disguise 3.) choose the annuity. 4)no press conference 5.)Tell my best friend once the money hit my account 6.) Pay my tithe 7.) give my church an additional 5% of my winnings 8.) give my top ten family members&friends some money 9.) start a chain of Fast food vegan restarants 10.) Give a few million to an organization for a cure for cancer research 11.) Donate millions to cancer patients&their families. 12.) open up the world largest homeless shelter that will help not enable people to get back on their feet or begin a successful life as a productive member of society(non profit)...HyperThose are my top 12 do's..oh I feel the win coming soonHyper

Wow! You're gonna be busy! Shocked Big Smile

I like the disguise idea. Would Groucho Marx glasses be okay?

miracleplay5's avatarmiracleplay5

Quote: Originally posted by Pita Maha on Aug 27, 2013

Wow! You're gonna be busy! Shocked Big Smile

I like the disguise idea. Would Groucho Marx glasses be okay?

LOL..I googled Groucho Marx glassesROFL.yess i they will allow me to..I was just thinking make up and a bad wigIdeaor do a celebrity look a like disguise..lol..but since the lottery has to id me I wonder how much of a disguise they will allow me to get away with before they say "this is not the same person on your driver's license"..hmmm I wish there were some LP members from each state that have won a jackpot or a lottery office visit amount of cash to share with us their experience when they claimed their prizes..

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Good article, a lot of common sense, I'm just not sure about this:

  • Automatically decide to take the up-front cash. Supposedly some 70% of lottery winners end up broke again, many within a couple or few years. If you get $172 million up front, it may sound better than having to receive a payout of $300 million slowly over the course of a lifetime. After all, it is instant empire-making money. Go see a tax pro and a legitimate investment advisor at a top money management firm, a theme you will see here throughout, before you automatically make this decision about a lump-sum or annuity option.

_______________________________________

As someone's sig used to say, you can always buy a better annuity. That and I'm sure there have been jp winners that have taken the annuity and for one reason or another went to one of those structured settlement companies and settled for a dime on the dollar.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 27, 2013

I Agree! and make some copies so you can show everyone Hurray!

I had a friend who won $10,000 on a scratch ticket and called to tell me.  I told him I was proud for him and appreciated his trust in me, but I would advise him not telling any other people.  He then said he didn't want to pay taxes on the winnings, but I told him that wasn't an option since it would be reported to the IRS AND 25% taken out when they gave him the money.  He didn't like that, but I told him he would most likely get a chunk of that back since he had other income and deductions.  I also told him he should sign the ticket, then make a photocopy of both the front and back of the ticket.  He thanked me, then said he was going to go do that right then and ended the call.   He called me back the next day, saying he had gone to the post office to use their public copier, made the copies I had recommended, then went back to his truck and started back home to call his boss and say he was taking the next day off in order to go claim his money...then realized he had left the ticket in the machine!   He said he did a u-turn worthy of a Hollywood movie right in the middle of traffic and sped back to the P.O.  Thank goodness the ticket was still there!

miracleplay5's avatarmiracleplay5

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 27, 2013

I had a friend who won $10,000 on a scratch ticket and called to tell me.  I told him I was proud for him and appreciated his trust in me, but I would advise him not telling any other people.  He then said he didn't want to pay taxes on the winnings, but I told him that wasn't an option since it would be reported to the IRS AND 25% taken out when they gave him the money.  He didn't like that, but I told him he would most likely get a chunk of that back since he had other income and deductions.  I also told him he should sign the ticket, then make a photocopy of both the front and back of the ticket.  He thanked me, then said he was going to go do that right then and ended the call.   He called me back the next day, saying he had gone to the post office to use their public copier, made the copies I had recommended, then went back to his truck and started back home to call his boss and say he was taking the next day off in order to go claim his money...then realized he had left the ticket in the machine!   He said he did a u-turn worthy of a Hollywood movie right in the middle of traffic and sped back to the P.O.  Thank goodness the ticket was still there!

That was a great story.thanks for sharing.as I read I was really into the story...if you dont already...writing may be an added ticket to your money making life..this is a short yet good read.See Ya!

golfer1960's avatargolfer1960

Quote: Originally posted by miracleplay5 on Aug 27, 2013

12 things I will do with my lottery ticket/winnings

1.) Sign the back of my ticket once I find out I won, 2.) Be in Tallahassee, Florida within five minutes of them opening up the next morning. 2.) Claim my money but have on a disguise 3.) choose the annuity. 4)no press conference 5.)Tell my best friend once the money hit my account 6.) Pay my tithe 7.) give my church an additional 5% of my winnings 8.) give my top ten family members&friends some money 9.) start a chain of Fast food vegan restarants 10.) Give a few million to an organization for a cure for cancer research 11.) Donate millions to cancer patients&their families. 12.) open up the world largest homeless shelter that will help not enable people to get back on their feet or begin a successful life as a productive member of society(non profit)...HyperThose are my top 12 do's..oh I feel the win coming soonHyper

You're very generous miracleplay. Bravo!!

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Why, thank you!  Such a nice thing to say!  I try to write, but am not very good at it. (I used to write really bad poetry and share it until I finally developed some shame)  For the last several years, I've been trying to write a book about the Hank Skinner murders in Pampa, Texas.  (he came within 20 minutes of being executed a few yrs. back)  At first, I thought he might very well be innocent, but after hundreds of interviews and hours and hours spent going over the evidence and testimony, I've reached the conclusion that he's guilty as charged.  The case is still important, though, what with the Supreme Court ruling that - in a nutshell -  he has a right to have tested some of the other DNA evidence collected at the scene.   I think the DNA will implicate him further, though.  Several YouTube videos of him, if you're interested.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 27, 2013

I had a friend who won $10,000 on a scratch ticket and called to tell me.  I told him I was proud for him and appreciated his trust in me, but I would advise him not telling any other people.  He then said he didn't want to pay taxes on the winnings, but I told him that wasn't an option since it would be reported to the IRS AND 25% taken out when they gave him the money.  He didn't like that, but I told him he would most likely get a chunk of that back since he had other income and deductions.  I also told him he should sign the ticket, then make a photocopy of both the front and back of the ticket.  He thanked me, then said he was going to go do that right then and ended the call.   He called me back the next day, saying he had gone to the post office to use their public copier, made the copies I had recommended, then went back to his truck and started back home to call his boss and say he was taking the next day off in order to go claim his money...then realized he had left the ticket in the machine!   He said he did a u-turn worthy of a Hollywood movie right in the middle of traffic and sped back to the P.O.  Thank goodness the ticket was still there!

Green laugh

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Aug 27, 2013

Good article, a lot of common sense, I'm just not sure about this:

  • Automatically decide to take the up-front cash. Supposedly some 70% of lottery winners end up broke again, many within a couple or few years. If you get $172 million up front, it may sound better than having to receive a payout of $300 million slowly over the course of a lifetime. After all, it is instant empire-making money. Go see a tax pro and a legitimate investment advisor at a top money management firm, a theme you will see here throughout, before you automatically make this decision about a lump-sum or annuity option.

_______________________________________

As someone's sig used to say, you can always buy a better annuity. That and I'm sure there have been jp winners that have taken the annuity and for one reason or another went to one of those structured settlement companies and settled for a dime on the dollar.

It's actually pretty difficult to find any guaranteed investment that pays off better than the one you'll get from the lottery.  Jackpot size directly drives sales volume, so it is a primary mission of the lottery to get that annuity rate as high as it can, which makes the jackpot larger.

Lots of people make the mistake of thinking that the cash value is derived from the advertised annuity, when in fact it is the opposite.  They start with the cash amount that they have in-hand from the previous jackpot, then they add the cash that they believe they will derive from sales over the next few days until the drawing, and that becomes the estimated cash value.  Then the annuity jackpot is estimated based on the highest interest rate the bank will guarantee.  I believe they may have several banks that compete for the business, so the rate is very good.

There are also tax reasons that gives the lottery a leg-up on what you could do with the cash.  Chuck Strutt (Director of MUSL) posted about that last year:  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/253037/2790065.  (Interest rates have come up since he wrote that, so his advice in the second part of his post may have changed since he wrote it.)

He also wrote about it in March of 2012:

Makes for great reading.

Cashman777$

(13) Tell your ex-wife

Abdi's avatarAbdi

very educative replies............i have learnt many thinks! keep them  coming in before this article is taken over by events!

miracleplay5's avatarmiracleplay5

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 28, 2013

Why, thank you!  Such a nice thing to say!  I try to write, but am not very good at it. (I used to write really bad poetry and share it until I finally developed some shame)  For the last several years, I've been trying to write a book about the Hank Skinner murders in Pampa, Texas.  (he came within 20 minutes of being executed a few yrs. back)  At first, I thought he might very well be innocent, but after hundreds of interviews and hours and hours spent going over the evidence and testimony, I've reached the conclusion that he's guilty as charged.  The case is still important, though, what with the Supreme Court ruling that - in a nutshell -  he has a right to have tested some of the other DNA evidence collected at the scene.   I think the DNA will implicate him further, though.  Several YouTube videos of him, if you're interested.

Don't give up on writing. I belive from your above sample and the short story you told about your friend were good and shows the potential of you being a best seller writer. I was enagaged from start to finish without rushing your thoughts in my head. I write and without tooting my own horn.lol.I will say that I write poetry/spoken word pretty good, HOWEVER I can't write an actual song. I am a composer but can't write a song..lol..so don't allow your inability to write good poetry determine your success in writing altogether. " until I finally developed some shame)" that was funnyROFL we are our own worst critic.Maybe it was the crowd not everyone is into poetry. There so many different types of poetry too. Maybe I am just over confident. When I read myself poetry to friends before a show, if I hear crickets, I laugh and say "tough crowd". Then I get on stage; and my poetry and I are received very well. Anyway I think you are a very good writer. You are the kind of writer that will publish a book, and it become a best seller world wide and an in one sitting read. Well money making wishes to you. I can't wait to read your book on winning a lottery jackpotSee Ya!

olplugger's avatarolplugger

Thanks so much for the great advice!  Thumbs Up

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Cashman777$ on Aug 28, 2013

(13) Tell your ex-wife

Perish the thought.

Oh, the humanity...

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Aug 28, 2013

Perish the thought.

Oh, the humanity...

Green laugh

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Aug 28, 2013

Perish the thought.

Oh, the humanity...

Thumbs Up

ecnirP's avatarecnirP

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 27, 2013

Its unfortunate that nobody, even talks about taking the annuity, instead of the lump sum anymore. If you are young, and the jackpot is large enough, taking the annuity route might actually be a wise choice. At least you have 26-30 years, before you actually go broke. Most people outgrow their stupidity within the first five years. Better than paying some SUIT AND TIE, you don't know, thousands of dollars to manage your money. Hmm maybe I should take the annuity and use my drinking buddies. To each his own.Yes Nod

First, taking the annuity requires that you trust the government running the lottery to be both willing and able to make those payments. I do not believe those funds are set aside outside the governments control. Maybe someone here can counter that if it's not true. There are too many examples out there of states making ex post facto changes to laws for me to trust them not to do so for nearly three decades, or to determine way down the road that your funds would be better used for the "public good". That $600M lottery win could start to look awfully tempting to politicians who want to hire a new teacher or two and get re-elected. Call me cynical, but I'd much rather have my funds in my hand. If I want to put them in an annuity, I can do that myself. It's all about risk and reward.

Second, one clever idea I heard about sounds to be a fair compromise (although my first point still rules). A couple both claimed the prize, but one took the lump sump for half the payout and the other took the annuity. If that's possible to do, and you're dealing with a big enough jackpot, sounds like a tempting solution.

…but I still think I'd rather have control over all those funds myself.

And when you get that financial advice, make sure you're paying by the hour. Don't give your advisor a percent of anything. Get your advise from one source and invest with another source to remove any perverse incentives. I thank James Dines for that advice. And I heard Rush Limbaugh say a long time ago that he signs every single check. There's no financial manager allowed to do that on his behalf. Sounds like smart business to me.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Pita Maha on Aug 27, 2013

Yeah, bad enough lottery winners get harrassed, or even threatened, for money after they've claimed their winnings. But you could run into trouble before you get the chance to claim, when such a fool comes forward and claims it's their ticket that they lost. Like that woman a while back, from Cleveland, I believe it was. You better hope you can prove to the lottery office that you are the rightful owner of the ticket.  Being a lottery winner draws a lot of parasites out of the crevices.

The lotteries should seriously consider leaving the choice of anonymity to the winners. If you are a ham, by all means ham it up in a press conference. If you prefer, to fly under the radar, you should also be allowed to do so. They contribute to the downfall of ill prepared winners, by exposing them to this crazy whirlwind of publicity. Once the genie is out of the bottle, you can't put it back in, except in the movies of course.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by ecnirP on Aug 28, 2013

First, taking the annuity requires that you trust the government running the lottery to be both willing and able to make those payments. I do not believe those funds are set aside outside the governments control. Maybe someone here can counter that if it's not true. There are too many examples out there of states making ex post facto changes to laws for me to trust them not to do so for nearly three decades, or to determine way down the road that your funds would be better used for the "public good". That $600M lottery win could start to look awfully tempting to politicians who want to hire a new teacher or two and get re-elected. Call me cynical, but I'd much rather have my funds in my hand. If I want to put them in an annuity, I can do that myself. It's all about risk and reward.

Second, one clever idea I heard about sounds to be a fair compromise (although my first point still rules). A couple both claimed the prize, but one took the lump sump for half the payout and the other took the annuity. If that's possible to do, and you're dealing with a big enough jackpot, sounds like a tempting solution.

…but I still think I'd rather have control over all those funds myself.

And when you get that financial advice, make sure you're paying by the hour. Don't give your advisor a percent of anything. Get your advise from one source and invest with another source to remove any perverse incentives. I thank James Dines for that advice. And I heard Rush Limbaugh say a long time ago that he signs every single check. There's no financial manager allowed to do that on his behalf. Sounds like smart business to me.

Prince, you have a great point. I have always wondered why the lotteries give the winners only two choices. The  ideal choices for me would be, four choices.

...CHOICE #1...Publicity or no publicity?

...CHOICE #2...LUMP SUM

...CHOICE #3...Annuity

...CHOICE #4...50% LUMP SUM and 50% annuity.

Given these choices, if I still go broke, then I deserve to be slapped upside the head.

Pita Maha's avatarPita Maha

Quote: Originally posted by ecnirP on Aug 28, 2013

First, taking the annuity requires that you trust the government running the lottery to be both willing and able to make those payments. I do not believe those funds are set aside outside the governments control. Maybe someone here can counter that if it's not true. There are too many examples out there of states making ex post facto changes to laws for me to trust them not to do so for nearly three decades, or to determine way down the road that your funds would be better used for the "public good". That $600M lottery win could start to look awfully tempting to politicians who want to hire a new teacher or two and get re-elected. Call me cynical, but I'd much rather have my funds in my hand. If I want to put them in an annuity, I can do that myself. It's all about risk and reward.

Second, one clever idea I heard about sounds to be a fair compromise (although my first point still rules). A couple both claimed the prize, but one took the lump sump for half the payout and the other took the annuity. If that's possible to do, and you're dealing with a big enough jackpot, sounds like a tempting solution.

…but I still think I'd rather have control over all those funds myself.

And when you get that financial advice, make sure you're paying by the hour. Don't give your advisor a percent of anything. Get your advise from one source and invest with another source to remove any perverse incentives. I thank James Dines for that advice. And I heard Rush Limbaugh say a long time ago that he signs every single check. There's no financial manager allowed to do that on his behalf. Sounds like smart business to me.

Great post. I'm totally with you on the potential risks of trusting the govt with your winnings in an annuity. It sounds off the wall but hey, anything is possible these days. When I win, there's no way I'm choosing the annuity option. The idea of a couple doing both - cash option and annuity - sounds good though. Although we'd still take the cash option. They recommend the annuity in case you blow it all but I know I wouldn't do that.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 28, 2013

Why, thank you!  Such a nice thing to say!  I try to write, but am not very good at it. (I used to write really bad poetry and share it until I finally developed some shame)  For the last several years, I've been trying to write a book about the Hank Skinner murders in Pampa, Texas.  (he came within 20 minutes of being executed a few yrs. back)  At first, I thought he might very well be innocent, but after hundreds of interviews and hours and hours spent going over the evidence and testimony, I've reached the conclusion that he's guilty as charged.  The case is still important, though, what with the Supreme Court ruling that - in a nutshell -  he has a right to have tested some of the other DNA evidence collected at the scene.   I think the DNA will implicate him further, though.  Several YouTube videos of him, if you're interested.

For a nonfiction book, you do not need to have it finished or even started to shop it around to publishers and literary agents.  The idea sounds interesting. You need to know how to write a book proposal and have a draft table of contents. But if you want some suggestions as to places to submit, feel free to pm me.  I can't give you any specific info on me (beyond I am published multiple times with a legitimate traditional publisher) and you will have to do ALL the work yourself and run with the info I give you. By the way, never badmouth your writing in a proposal since it will end up in the trash and not be read.

Pita Maha's avatarPita Maha

I'm all for anonymity for lottery winners. I'm from Australia originally, where the option is available and most choose it. It came about because of a terrible incident back in 1960. A young Sydney family won the equivalent of about $5million and their lucky story was splashed across the front page of all the papers. Soon after, their young son was kidnapped on his way to school, and a ransom was demanded. The boy was murdered very soon after his kidnapping and luckily, the kidnapper caught and imprisoned til he died.  The option of anonymity for lottery winners was allowed right after that. The vast majority choose it because that tragic story is known by many, even today. 

Here they say that lottery winners' stories are needed to keep the excitement up and encourage people to buy tickets. However, Australians are very avid lottery players, so that reason doesn't hold water. You're so right about it contributing to the downfall of ill-prepared winners. There's enough to worry about when you get sudden wealth, you don't need the stress and aggravation of dozens of strangers daily begging and demanding money or salespeople trying to sell you financial services and yachts.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Pita Maha on Aug 28, 2013

I'm all for anonymity for lottery winners. I'm from Australia originally, where the option is available and most choose it. It came about because of a terrible incident back in 1960. A young Sydney family won the equivalent of about $5million and their lucky story was splashed across the front page of all the papers. Soon after, their young son was kidnapped on his way to school, and a ransom was demanded. The boy was murdered very soon after his kidnapping and luckily, the kidnapper caught and imprisoned til he died.  The option of anonymity for lottery winners was allowed right after that. The vast majority choose it because that tragic story is known by many, even today. 

Here they say that lottery winners' stories are needed to keep the excitement up and encourage people to buy tickets. However, Australians are very avid lottery players, so that reason doesn't hold water. You're so right about it contributing to the downfall of ill-prepared winners. There's enough to worry about when you get sudden wealth, you don't need the stress and aggravation of dozens of strangers daily begging and demanding money or salespeople trying to sell you financial services and yachts.

I Agree! I'm all for anonymity for lottery winners

wow thats a sad story

str8ca$hhomie's avatarstr8ca$hhomie

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 28, 2013

The lotteries should seriously consider leaving the choice of anonymity to the winners. If you are a ham, by all means ham it up in a press conference. If you prefer, to fly under the radar, you should also be allowed to do so. They contribute to the downfall of ill prepared winners, by exposing them to this crazy whirlwind of publicity. Once the genie is out of the bottle, you can't put it back in, except in the movies of course.

I have to wonder what would happen if you showed up at Lottery Headquarters with your lawyer and he pulled out of his briefcase an affidavit for the lottery commisioner to date and sign stating that if any ill will or harm occurs to you and/or your family as a result of them publishing your name, picture, town, and street address that the State of ________ Lottery Commission is to be held liable and therefore accountable for them putting that bullseye on your back.

Don't worry I already know the answer; just a crazy thought! Where's my medication?

savagegoose's avatarsavagegoose

Quote: Originally posted by Cashman777$ on Aug 28, 2013

(13) Tell your ex-wife

thats what best friends are for.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by str8ca$hhomie on Aug 29, 2013

I have to wonder what would happen if you showed up at Lottery Headquarters with your lawyer and he pulled out of his briefcase an affidavit for the lottery commisioner to date and sign stating that if any ill will or harm occurs to you and/or your family as a result of them publishing your name, picture, town, and street address that the State of ________ Lottery Commission is to be held liable and therefore accountable for them putting that bullseye on your back.

Don't worry I already know the answer; just a crazy thought! Where's my medication?

lol lol

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by str8ca$hhomie on Aug 29, 2013

I have to wonder what would happen if you showed up at Lottery Headquarters with your lawyer and he pulled out of his briefcase an affidavit for the lottery commisioner to date and sign stating that if any ill will or harm occurs to you and/or your family as a result of them publishing your name, picture, town, and street address that the State of ________ Lottery Commission is to be held liable and therefore accountable for them putting that bullseye on your back.

Don't worry I already know the answer; just a crazy thought! Where's my medication?

You got it right Homie. No medication needed. They are the "Masters of the universe", at least , their universe. If something goes wrong, they blame you. If they really screw you, and appear to be liable, they give you the usual one-liner.....liability is limited to the price of the ticket. It is good, to be the king/queen.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 27, 2013

Are you pretending you're an expert on how lottery jackpot winners should spend their winning because you bought a ticket?

Consuming large amounts of bourbon, before reading the posts, apparently has the same effect, as putting the cart before the horse. No Nod

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 29, 2013

Consuming large amounts of bourbon, before reading the posts, apparently has the same effect, as putting the cart before the horse. No Nod

Drunk or sober, people like you, who "know" what the jackpot winner should and should not do are probably the same people stalking the winners. What did Gloria have for breakfast this morning?

Gopher701

One group not mentioned  in the article is the  Multi-State Lottery Association "MUSL".

We have some vague idea what they do but does a winner if they choose the Annuity Option see the specific securities purchased on their behalf. Is there a certified audit of the MUSL?

I have no reason to doubt they do what is promised but Enron......World Telecom....TYCO.... Lehman Brothers all were the pillars of the business community then fraud or mismanagement.

If their securities go bad do you really thing the State lotteries or taxpayers will cover any shortages.

Another reason to take the Cash!!!!!!!

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 29, 2013

Drunk or sober, people like you, who "know" what the jackpot winner should and should not do are probably the same people stalking the winners. What did Gloria have for breakfast this morning?

DRUNK? Never would have guessed!!! Are you speaking, from real personal  experience Sad, or just while in suspended animation? Whatever the case maybe, get off it and go get some help and some sleep BedCASE CLOSED.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 29, 2013

DRUNK? Never would have guessed!!! Are you speaking, from real personal  experience Sad, or just while in suspended animation? Whatever the case maybe, get off it and go get some help and some sleep BedCASE CLOSED.

You started out telling all future jackpot winners what to do with their winnings as if you're a divine authority and now you're telling me what I should do. It's none of my business if you continue to hand out orders or any of my business when nobody listens to you either.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 29, 2013

You started out telling all future jackpot winners what to do with their winnings as if you're a divine authority and now you're telling me what I should do. It's none of my business if you continue to hand out orders or any of my business when nobody listens to you either.

Green laugh

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Aug 29, 2013

lol lol

Did I go viral yet?

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 30, 2013

Green laugh

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helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 30, 2013

Did I go viral yet?

Can Winning be InfectiousSmash

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 29, 2013

You started out telling all future jackpot winners what to do with their winnings as if you're a divine authority and now you're telling me what I should do. It's none of my business if you continue to hand out orders or any of my business when nobody listens to you either.

Hey, hey, look out for the keyboard, PukePukePuke. YIKES! you did it again. Never try to post, with an empty bottle of bourbon by your side.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 30, 2013

Hey, hey, look out for the keyboard, PukePukePuke. YIKES! you did it again. Never try to post, with an empty bottle of bourbon by your side.

Which part of "I don't care what your opinion is about how jackpot winners spend their money and your very childish comments " is causing your brain to malfunction this time?

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 31, 2013

Which part of "I don't care what your opinion is about how jackpot winners spend their money and your very childish comments " is causing your brain to malfunction this time?

Wanting a "jp winner to tell you what questions they were asked" is idiotic at best. How many jp winners have you talked to, since you came to LP? Like I told you before, most lotteries have claim forms available for download at their website, or you can take a trip to their offices and they will gladly accomodate you, with any legitimate questions you have.  Having your diaper twisted into knots in conjunction with your already depleted brain cells, is not going to change the facts. Following your logic, which is moronic at best, the next time you want to know about cars, find somebody who was hit and dragged by a car. Put down that bottle of bourbon, and that is an order. Smash

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 31, 2013

Wanting a "jp winner to tell you what questions they were asked" is idiotic at best. How many jp winners have you talked to, since you came to LP? Like I told you before, most lotteries have claim forms available for download at their website, or you can take a trip to their offices and they will gladly accomodate you, with any legitimate questions you have.  Having your diaper twisted into knots in conjunction with your already depleted brain cells, is not going to change the facts. Following your logic, which is moronic at best, the next time you want to know about cars, find somebody who was hit and dragged by a car. Put down that bottle of bourbon, and that is an order. Smash

Taking my comment out of context and twisting them so you can continue your very childish banter doesn't change what is required on claims forms or what I said. 

True, but the small print at the bottom of form tells a slightly different story. The signer must declare under the penalty of perjury that no other party is entitled to any part of the payment. State lotteries have different rules and security methods and the News Forum is full of stories about winners who didn't buy the ticket and declared "that no other party is entitled to any part of the payment".

A real jackpot winner could tells us whether or not they were asked if they purchased ticket so we wouldn't have to just guess if because the ticket is bearer instrument, the lottery will pay the prize money to the bearer regardless even if they found it in the trash.

Nobody else had any problems understanding I was offering evidence showing not all jackpot winning tickets are treated as bearer instruments (the bearer is paid regardless) or my simple solution that lottery officials asks the bearer when and where they purchased the ticket. Your "know-it-all" opinions of how a jackpot winner should spend their winning are baseless because it's not your money they are spending. Which part of "only a real jackpot winner knows if they were asked when and where they purchased their ticket" is causing your brain to malfunction?

"Following your logic, which is moronic at best, the next time you want to know about cars, find somebody who was hit and dragged by a car."

My logic was about determining the true ownership of something, specifically a bearer instrument, and what, if any thing the lottery officials use to make that determination. I don't care how you "follow my logic" or what you think about it. You have zero credibility, but that won't stop you from pretending you're a "know-it-all".

"You got it right Homie. No medication needed. They are the "Masters of the universe", at least , their universe."

On the back of every lottery ticket it says something like "lottery game rules and regulations and state law apply to all tickets, transactions, drawings, and prizes". Good luck in suing the lottery because you don't like their rules and regulations after signing the back of the ticket to claim your prize. What other universe is there where you get paid lottery winnings for not following rules and regulations and the state law, "know-it-all"?

Is one of the frequently asked questions in your universe, "will a ticket thief be paid the jackpot prize after serving his sentence"?

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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Sep 1, 2013

Taking my comment out of context and twisting them so you can continue your very childish banter doesn't change what is required on claims forms or what I said. 

True, but the small print at the bottom of form tells a slightly different story. The signer must declare under the penalty of perjury that no other party is entitled to any part of the payment. State lotteries have different rules and security methods and the News Forum is full of stories about winners who didn't buy the ticket and declared "that no other party is entitled to any part of the payment".

A real jackpot winner could tells us whether or not they were asked if they purchased ticket so we wouldn't have to just guess if because the ticket is bearer instrument, the lottery will pay the prize money to the bearer regardless even if they found it in the trash.

Nobody else had any problems understanding I was offering evidence showing not all jackpot winning tickets are treated as bearer instruments (the bearer is paid regardless) or my simple solution that lottery officials asks the bearer when and where they purchased the ticket. Your "know-it-all" opinions of how a jackpot winner should spend their winning are baseless because it's not your money they are spending. Which part of "only a real jackpot winner knows if they were asked when and where they purchased their ticket" is causing your brain to malfunction?

"Following your logic, which is moronic at best, the next time you want to know about cars, find somebody who was hit and dragged by a car."

My logic was about determining the true ownership of something, specifically a bearer instrument, and what, if any thing the lottery officials use to make that determination. I don't care how you "follow my logic" or what you think about it. You have zero credibility, but that won't stop you from pretending you're a "know-it-all".

"You got it right Homie. No medication needed. They are the "Masters of the universe", at least , their universe."

On the back of every lottery ticket it says something like "lottery game rules and regulations and state law apply to all tickets, transactions, drawings, and prizes". Good luck in suing the lottery because you don't like their rules and regulations after signing the back of the ticket to claim your prize. What other universe is there where you get paid lottery winnings for not following rules and regulations and the state law, "know-it-all"?

Is one of the frequently asked questions in your universe, "will a ticket thief be paid the jackpot prize after serving his sentence"?

Everytime you do your copy and paste, you take things out of context. If the whole post, is hard for you to comprehend, ask for help.  You had to troll all over to find lines that you think might suit or support  your level of comprehention, and you still failed woefully. You are slowly making yourself, appear like a mental midget. Call the lottery with any legitimate question you might have, and they will gladly accomodate you. They are the ones that  ask the questions, so they should know better than anybody else, what questions they ask and why...KEEP WAITING,FOR YOUR IMAGINARY JP WINNER TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY WERE ASKED. I'm now begining to wonder if 12 steps will be of any help to you . Poor baby, hope you get some help soon, or just keep crying as usual.Agree with stupid

Gleno's avatarGleno

Thanks for the good advice. Usually select the annuity option and was surprised when my accountant suggested that I take it as a lump sum, to avoid having to file returns every year for this windfall.

Did not think this was good advice. Still believe that smart folks would rather have an annuity payment over 20 years, than to have a lump sum" burning a hole in your pocket".

Since I have not won anything big to worry about at this time,still like to remember the authur of this article's good counsel.

About 10 years ago a lady in NJ gave her 6 Million dollar winnings to her church. Nice jesture and surmise she had little, if any, experience with money management. Of course she may have had other factors that affected her decision.  US Flag

redhot7's avatarredhot7

If you win this much money, chances are high that you will to want to brag about it. How could you not?

No, I won't. I would be very happy but I won't brag about it because it's money I don't earn. If anything, I would be a bit embarrassed.

Everyone who has ever done anything for you now may come with their hands out asking for something, or worse.

I agree. Some people would say: Hei, remember me, remember me, remember what I did to you? If it weren't for me doing you a favor, you wouldn't FILL IN THE BLANKS. Now, it is time to return the favor. Gimme your money, gimme your money!

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Sep 2, 2013

Everytime you do your copy and paste, you take things out of context. If the whole post, is hard for you to comprehend, ask for help.  You had to troll all over to find lines that you think might suit or support  your level of comprehention, and you still failed woefully. You are slowly making yourself, appear like a mental midget. Call the lottery with any legitimate question you might have, and they will gladly accomodate you. They are the ones that  ask the questions, so they should know better than anybody else, what questions they ask and why...KEEP WAITING,FOR YOUR IMAGINARY JP WINNER TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY WERE ASKED. I'm now begining to wonder if 12 steps will be of any help to you . Poor baby, hope you get some help soon, or just keep crying as usual.Agree with stupid

"Everytime you do your copy and paste, you take things out of context."

The topic is suggestions for IF YOU WIN A JACKPOTbased on hypothetically beating huge odds. There are several opinions pro and con on all of the 12 suggestions and at the end of the day, they are still just opinions baseless or not and will never change the odds. How was I out of context or off topic by replying to the first of 12 things not to do if you win the lottery?

"If the whole post, is hard for you to comprehend, ask for help."

Why is it so difficult for you to understand I copy and paste a specific comment because that is the only part of a post I'm commenting on?

Did I miss where a new LP rule was created requiring us to respond to the entire post?

There is no rule preventing me from commenting on either of your threads in the Discussion forum or any specific remarks. I won't because they are based on hypothetically winning $1 million. And it's no skin off my nose if you believe it's intellectually stimulating asking for and commenting on opinions from people who never won $1 million and probably never will because of the huge odds.

"KEEP WAITING,FOR YOUR IMAGINARY JP WINNER TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY WERE ASKED."

I suggested only a real winner could explain the process determining if they were the rightful winner. We know for a fact Andy Ashkar was not the rightful owner or winner of the $9 million NY Extravaganza jackpot, the trust claiming the Hot Lotto jackpot, and several other people claiming the were the rightful owners of the winning ticket they signed.

Should I start a hypothetical thread like yours to get imaginary opinions?

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 30, 2013

Can Winning be InfectiousSmash

Looks like losing was infectious for your pal.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 30, 2013

Did I go viral yet?

I don't know, but it looks like you went somewhere !

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by Gleno on Sep 2, 2013

Thanks for the good advice. Usually select the annuity option and was surprised when my accountant suggested that I take it as a lump sum, to avoid having to file returns every year for this windfall.

Did not think this was good advice. Still believe that smart folks would rather have an annuity payment over 20 years, than to have a lump sum" burning a hole in your pocket".

Since I have not won anything big to worry about at this time,still like to remember the authur of this article's good counsel.

About 10 years ago a lady in NJ gave her 6 Million dollar winnings to her church. Nice jesture and surmise she had little, if any, experience with money management. Of course she may have had other factors that affected her decision.  US Flag

I don't recall that, any more details ?

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