Atheist converts after mock prayer to win $1M lottery is answered

May 29, 2011, 12:14 am (1,632 comments)

New York Lottery

A self-confessed atheist has become a believer after mocking God by sarcastically praying for his mother to win the lottery.

However, his joke prayer was amazingly answered as the next day his mother won $1 million on the New York Lottery Sweet Million game.

Sal Bentivegna, 28, who did not previously believe in God, had sarcastically asked his mother to "ask your God for a million dollars".

However, his mother Gloria Bentivegna, follows the Catholic faith, and staying true to her belief refused to ask God for such a thing.

Taking his joke further, Sal then prayed out aloud saying, "God, I don't know if you're real or not, but if you are there, please let my mother win a million dollars."

He added, "If Jesus wants me to believe in him, that's what he'll do".

The following day his mother bought a "Lotto Tree" of unscratched instant win tickets from her Church's charity auction. Sal was then left absolutely stunned when he found out his mother had won a million.

Realizing that the odds of his mother winning were so farfetched, Sal has now become a firm believer.

He testified, "I can't shrug off that Jesus had a hand in it."

"No pun intended, but it was a Godsend," he said.

Gloria Bentivegna, reflecting on what had happened, is thankful to God for her winnings, but even more thankful for her son's conversion. She said: "'God performed two miracles, a true miracle."

By winning New York's Sweet Million game, Gloria Bentivegna will now receive $50,000 every year for the next 20 years.

Christian Post

Comments

sully16's avatarsully16

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

maringoman's avatarmaringoman

Now thats wassup!

But something tells me that not everybody who challenges God like that can be a millionare. If it was possible I would say that prayer every 6 months lol

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Great story, God bless her.

wizeguy's avatarwizeguy

Congrats to the Bentivegna family! Mother and son are both winners!

TigerAngel's avatarTigerAngel

Oh I love this story!! It's called putting a fleece before the Lord!!

CrazyHazyYay!'s avatarCrazyHazyYay!

Hmm... Well I thought the bible contained numerous verses that pertained to testing God, and that it pissed Him off... Hopefully this reborn christian will beg for forgiveness once he learns.

Or perhaps ever since this world has gone to crap, God decided that He needs to let His presence be known so this plane of debauchery that we call earth can finally adopt some sanity... it is getting awfully close to that 2012 phenomenon...

And I don't mean to force any religious views or beliefs onto any of y'all, for I am a self-proclaimed agnostic, or as my father would say: "half-assed christian." In a "glass is half empty" sort of way...

savagegoose's avatarsavagegoose

ok ill give this a go :P

time*treat's avatartime*treat

If she'd won without buying tickets, then it'd be impressive.

eddessaknight's avatareddessaknight

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on May 29, 2011

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

I Agree!

Ask and it shall be answered...... sometimes yes and sometimes no !

Congrats, let's keep on asking >>>>>

EddessaKnight Sun Smiley

Perfecttiming2's avatarPerfecttiming2

My kind of story....love it...They both got blessed!!!!

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Skeptical  hmmmph !! ....... I wonder what he'd of said if she hadn't of won all that money Skeptical 

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

"Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, ‘Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.’"

RL

LottoAce's avatarLottoAce

Its hard to say anything good about this story. I don't like when atheist temp God to bend to
their will by preforming stupid little parlor tricks. just to prove his existence. "if there is a God he'll knock
this glass of water right off the table" or the college professor who claimed that there was no God
and that if there was; he would come knock him off his podium. how much more arrogant can the human race become? He is the Supreme Being and has nothing to prove to you or me. now I can't answer why
this woman won the lottery; but I can say that a million bucks is nothing compared to spending eternity
knowing that your son is in eternal <snip>ation. maybe, he has become a believer I hope so. but he
better quit throwing his little temper tantrums like a 5 year old and start taking our heavenly Father
serious and start showing him a little respect!

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dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

I love stories like this........

Isaiah 61:7 "Instead of their shame my people will receive a double portion, and instead of disgrace they will rejoice in their inheritance; and so they will inherit a double portion in their land, and everlasting joy will be theirs." The mother got 2 blessings her son becoming a believer  and $1 million dollars.........

Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!

OldSchoolPa's avatarOldSchoolPa

Yeah I waited for like an hour for this story to be told on TV (that is why I dislike watching news on TV...they give it to you as it suits them and not you).  I was thinking it was an online game jackpot win. Yes, $50K per year for the next 20 years is nice dough (of course, after taxes she is not a millionaire), but this would have been more impressive had it actually been an online game in which she had picked numbers like 1, 2, 3, 54, 55, and 1 for MB/PB...a highly unlikely combination to win and she won it.  Now of course, the numbers I choose are hypothetical, but if anyone wants to play them, go ahead as I don't have a patent on that combination (just joking!!!).

Nice story but I think in the end, the fact his mom won still hasn't made him a "hallelujah, jumpin' for Jesus, praise you Jesus" kind of guy.  I mean, if God were to bless me to win either Mega Millions or Powerball, I would make it a point to step into a church every Sunday (or a given day of the week if I couldn't do so on a Sunday) just to worship HIM and give thanks.  Until then, I will remain critical of how many pastors present the Bible seemingly for their own gain at the expense of the followers.

petergrfn

You shouldn't "Mock" GOD.  Maybe the lord is trying to tell this guy something?   Prayer is a powerfull thing.....maybe the lord did let him win to give him a message......  Interesting Story!Blue Angel

joker17

100% coincidence.....PERIOD!

Mario38

Silly story.

If one prays to win a jackpot and it does not come true, that does not prove god does not exist.

But if it does come true, then god does exist?

Flawed logic!

JPJohnson

So God only answers mock prayers?

buttercake's avatarbuttercake

The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for.

 

Congrats to his mother

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 29, 2011

100% coincidence.....PERIOD!

maybe

maybe not

i happen to believe it's 100% congruent with Gods nature that he could have accomplished this within that man's life in order to get his attention.   i have personally been a witness to these scenario's many times in my lifetime,  so i know He does.

i also see the value when He doesn't

but......the difference in a man's heart determines what God does at times,  and because God knows the heart of each man,  He knew that sal bentivegna would make good on his end of the challenge,  so God chose to do it.

the key to this isn't a $1,000,000

the key is that sal bentivegna made good on what sal's heart was saying all along.  long before sal spoke those words

that he WANTED to know God.   not that he wanted to excuse him away.

if the real condition of sal's heart was only to consistently excuse him away,  sal would have mirrored your response.

sal just made a new discovery.  i won't take long for sal to realize a million dollars is inconsequential in comparison to the treasure he now has

HaveABall's avatarHaveABall

Quote: Originally posted by hearsetrax on May 29, 2011

Skeptical  hmmmph !! ....... I wonder what he'd of said if she hadn't of won all that money Skeptical 

Presumably whatever he has said these past few years; that have felt as a 'thorn in his mother's side' each time.  Perhaps he's a very verbal sort of fella, very common.  The same thoughts. Skeptical

jimmy4164

I bet there is an increase today in the number of mothers receiving phone calls from their sons asking if they won the lottery.  I wonder how many will get the response they want to hear?  Smiley

TruthSerum

Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his mock lottery prayer for a million dollars while a child dies every few seconds from starvation and disease.  On a side note I wonder which religion he converted to?  He has thousands to choose from:) Whos knows which one is correct.  If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL.

This entire thing is completley ridiculous and anyone who believes "God" answered his lottery prayer and gave his mother 1 million dollars to "get his attention" while so much suffering is happening to innocent children is in serious need of mental evaluation.

 

"The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for."  I almost spit my drink up at this comment.  So, if I mock "God" my Mom gets a cool million?  Why wouldn't you mock "God"?

 

That is all.

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Quote: Originally posted by TruthSerum on May 29, 2011

Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his mock lottery prayer for a million dollars while a child dies every few seconds from starvation and disease.  On a side note I wonder which religion he converted to?  He has thousands to choose from:) Whos knows which one is correct.  If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL.

This entire thing is completley ridiculous and anyone who believes "God" answered his lottery prayer and gave his mother 1 million dollars to "get his attention" while so much suffering is happening to innocent children is in serious need of mental evaluation.

 

"The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for."  I almost spit my drink up at this comment.  So, if I mock "God" my Mom gets a cool million?  Why wouldn't you mock "God"?

 

That is all.

LOL @ TruthSerum........ what an air head

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by TruthSerum on May 29, 2011

Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his mock lottery prayer for a million dollars while a child dies every few seconds from starvation and disease.  On a side note I wonder which religion he converted to?  He has thousands to choose from:) Whos knows which one is correct.  If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL.

This entire thing is completley ridiculous and anyone who believes "God" answered his lottery prayer and gave his mother 1 million dollars to "get his attention" while so much suffering is happening to innocent children is in serious need of mental evaluation.

 

"The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for."  I almost spit my drink up at this comment.  So, if I mock "God" my Mom gets a cool million?  Why wouldn't you mock "God"?

 

That is all.

TruthSerum, you say there are 38,000 Christian denominations. Add to that the thousands of other religions and picking the correct one is like a Pick 4 game.

The last time I compared religion to a lottery, my post was deleted. I think it was god's will.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on May 29, 2011

maybe

maybe not

i happen to believe it's 100% congruent with Gods nature that he could have accomplished this within that man's life in order to get his attention.   i have personally been a witness to these scenario's many times in my lifetime,  so i know He does.

i also see the value when He doesn't

but......the difference in a man's heart determines what God does at times,  and because God knows the heart of each man,  He knew that sal bentivegna would make good on his end of the challenge,  so God chose to do it.

the key to this isn't a $1,000,000

the key is that sal bentivegna made good on what sal's heart was saying all along.  long before sal spoke those words

that he WANTED to know God.   not that he wanted to excuse him away.

if the real condition of sal's heart was only to consistently excuse him away,  sal would have mirrored your response.

sal just made a new discovery.  i won't take long for sal to realize a million dollars is inconsequential in comparison to the treasure he now has

I love how you know what God is thinking and why he does things.....and that's IF God even exists. You religious folks are too much.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by TruthSerum on May 29, 2011

Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his mock lottery prayer for a million dollars while a child dies every few seconds from starvation and disease.  On a side note I wonder which religion he converted to?  He has thousands to choose from:) Whos knows which one is correct.  If he happened to choose Christianity I wonder which of the 38,000 denominations he chose LOL.

This entire thing is completley ridiculous and anyone who believes "God" answered his lottery prayer and gave his mother 1 million dollars to "get his attention" while so much suffering is happening to innocent children is in serious need of mental evaluation.

 

"The moral of this story is don't mock God as he is very powerful and will surely answer whatever you are mocking for."  I almost spit my drink up at this comment.  So, if I mock "God" my Mom gets a cool million?  Why wouldn't you mock "God"?

 

That is all.

Thank GOD someone finally gets it here on the LP. I've been saying this forever.

20,000 kids die everyday from malnutrition and/or disease, but God answered this guy's prayer.....

There are too many gullible folks on this planet fighting and killing each other over who's God is right. And to this day, in the 21st century, folks still believe in this old stuff that is so outdated, it boggles my mind.

I just can't wait to see the next football team that huddles and prays to win the game. I'm sure God's priority for the team to win is much higher than saving those 8 million kids that croak at an early age every year.....

You're absolutely right. The folks who actually believe this are delusional and need serious mental evaluation. It's scary...

Looney tunes man...looney tunes...Crazy

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 29, 2011

Thank GOD someone finally gets it here on the LP. I've been saying this forever.

20,000 kids die everyday from malnutrition and/or disease, but God answered this guy's prayer.....

There are too many gullible folks on this planet fighting and killing each other over who's God is right. And to this day, in the 21st century, folks still believe in this old stuff that is so outdated, it boggles my mind.

I just can't wait to see the next football team that huddles and prays to win the game. I'm sure God's priority for the team to win is much higher than saving those 8 million kids that croak at an early age every year.....

You're absolutely right. The folks who actually believe this are delusional and need serious mental evaluation. It's scary...

Looney tunes man...looney tunes...Crazy

Wow, look who's preachin' now.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 29, 2011

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

rdgrnr,

You must meet non-believers in different places than I do.  I don't know any hateful ones personally.  I know some that become impatient with the flawed logic that believers often rely on.  And yes, there are some who will sometimes be less than generous when joking about certain beliefs they view as silly.  Hateful?  It's not my experience.  This doesn't mean there are not hateful non-believers.  I'm sure there are atheist serial killers and rapists.  It just doesn't fit the profile of what I believe are the majority of non-believers.

By the way, there is no logical way that I know of to disprove the mother and son's claim that his prayer was the "cause" of her winning, no more than the failure of his prayer would have disproved the existence of god.  Consequently, the son was probably not a true atheist, because, in and of itself, the event that occurred would not have been sufficient evidence to make believers out of any non-believers I know.

http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_Are/About_Humanism

 

--Jimmy4164

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 29, 2011

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

Non of the non-believers on this forum have made a hateful comment towards any other member on this forum.

On the other hand......

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 29, 2011

Wow, look who's preachin' now.

What part of anything I wrote was false?

Fact: 20,000 kids die everyday

Fact: Religions of all sorts, not just Christianity create wars that only produce mayhem, suffering, and death.

Fact: Anyone who believes that their religion is superior to the other tens of thousands of religions, sects, denominations, Deities, and so on, needs to be evaluated. Sorry If that sounds harsh, but I believe you wrote that unbelievers were gutless cowards.

Hey Ridge, you may think I'm picking on Christianity, but I'm not. Organized religion is the culprit. I don't care If they believe in the Pet rock as their God. The problem starts when the Pet rock religious group wants to kill his Human kind over it. Or less violently like telling kids they're going to burn in hell If they don't assimilate, and then mutilate their genitals. Isn't that child abuse?

Why not show them every religion so they can have enough time, like I did, to see the red flags and decide for themselves? That's not too much to ask is it?

Then If they did their homework, they may see that it's impossible for every religion to be correct, therefore....BING BING BING BING BING BING BING.....The bells start ringing....and a lightbulb goes off......hopefully....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 30, 2011

rdgrnr,

You must meet non-believers in different places than I do.  I don't know any hateful ones personally.  I know some that become impatient with the flawed logic that believers often rely on.  And yes, there are some who will sometimes be less than generous when joking about certain beliefs they view as silly.  Hateful?  It's not my experience.  This doesn't mean there are not hateful non-believers.  I'm sure there are atheist serial killers and rapists.  It just doesn't fit the profile of what I believe are the majority of non-believers.

By the way, there is no logical way that I know of to disprove the mother and son's claim that his prayer was the "cause" of her winning, no more than the failure of his prayer would have disproved the existence of god.  Consequently, the son was probably not a true atheist, because, in and of itself, the event that occurred would not have been sufficient evidence to make believers out of any non-believers I know.

http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_Are/About_Humanism

 

--Jimmy4164

Doesn't matter to me what "your experience" is.

The mother and son story here has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

The story simply provided the opening for the same tired old hateful BS from the few regular desperate losers here.

All someone has to do is mention God or faith or religion or praying and the same gutless coward losers are out here telling them how stupid they are.

And they prefer when it's women.

That's when they really get tough.

Like I said:

Gutless Cowards.

Every Last One of Them.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I'll get back to you later, you little mindless pipsqueak.

Shine my shoes while you're waiting..

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

I'll get back to you later, you little mindless pipsqueak.

Shine my shoes while you're waiting..

Another hateful comment.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Doesn't matter to me what "your experience" is.

The mother and son story here has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

The story simply provided the opening for the same tired old hateful BS from the few regular desperate losers here.

All someone has to do is mention God or faith or religion or praying and the same gutless coward losers are out here telling them how stupid they are.

And they prefer when it's women.

That's when they really get tough.

Like I said:

Gutless Cowards.

Every Last One of Them.

Talk about hate....My MY.....Where's your compassion? Didn't Christ say to "turn the other cheek"?

You say that anytime anyone mentions God or religion, the few A-holes (Gutless cowards) (Losers) chime in.

It's funny to me when a someone here on the LP posts a system or any other idea, the folks come out of the woodwork and challenge the validity of the system. They want and demand PROOF......YES Proof....Hmmmmmmm.....

But if it deals with religion or God, then it's ok, no need for anything.....no proof, no common sense, no nothing. Afterall, It was written in a book thousands of years ago, and there are multitudes who've believed this for a very very long time, so it must be true.!!!!

Why does everything else in life demand validity, but religion always gets a free ride?....Why?...So maybe next time you may want to specifically address the issues I bring up, and stop with the blanket statement, that already tired statement about gutless cowards. I believe you're a coward for not addressing the issues I bring up, and gutlessly hiding behind your blanket statements.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

What part of anything I wrote was false?

Fact: 20,000 kids die everyday

Fact: Religions of all sorts, not just Christianity create wars that only produce mayhem, suffering, and death.

Fact: Anyone who believes that their religion is superior to the other tens of thousands of religions, sects, denominations, Deities, and so on, needs to be evaluated. Sorry If that sounds harsh, but I believe you wrote that unbelievers were gutless cowards.

Hey Ridge, you may think I'm picking on Christianity, but I'm not. Organized religion is the culprit. I don't care If they believe in the Pet rock as their God. The problem starts when the Pet rock religious group wants to kill his Human kind over it. Or less violently like telling kids they're going to burn in hell If they don't assimilate, and then mutilate their genitals. Isn't that child abuse?

Why not show them every religion so they can have enough time, like I did, to see the red flags and decide for themselves? That's not too much to ask is it?

Then If they did their homework, they may see that it's impossible for every religion to be correct, therefore....BING BING BING BING BING BING BING.....The bells start ringing....and a lightbulb goes off......hopefully....

YOU of ALL people have a lot of gall coming here from a country that beats women in the streets for showing their ankles and then purport to tell US what to believe as far as God or religion. Jam it.

Go to Religionofpeace.com and see what your people do EVERYDAY to their fellow human beings and then come back here and tell me how important it is that YOU have to straighten out the American Christians. You hypocritical piece of garbage.

What have YOU DONE to help out starving children? Did you think this was heaven and everything is supposed to be perfect? You insufferable moron!

I had intended to go on and on but I realize it's useless with an idiot like you. You'll never learn till it's too late.

Why can't you just mind your own business and leave people alone?

And the next time you send me an insulting tough guy PM, don't block me from responding, you gutless coward.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on May 30, 2011

Another hateful comment.

Not hateful, little guy.

You're just kinda stupid.

That's why you follow joker around like a lost puppy.

Nobody takes you serious, just go away.

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

YOU of ALL people have a lot of gall coming here from a country that beats women in the streets for showing their ankles and then purport to tell US what to believe as far as God or religion. Jam it.

Go to Religionofpeace.com and see what your people do EVERYDAY to their fellow human beings and then come back here and tell me how important it is that YOU have to straighten out the American Christians. You hypocritical piece of garbage.

What have YOU DONE to help out starving children? Did you think this was heaven and everything is supposed to be perfect? You insufferable moron!

I had intended to go on and on but I realize it's useless with an idiot like you. You'll never learn till it's too late.

Why can't you just mind your own business and leave people alone?

And the next time you send me an insulting tough guy PM, don't block me from responding, you gutless coward.

Another very hateful comment.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on May 30, 2011

Another very hateful comment.

And another brilliant comeback.

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

YOU of ALL people have a lot of gall coming here from a country that beats women in the streets for showing their ankles and then purport to tell US what to believe as far as God or religion. Jam it.

Go to Religionofpeace.com and see what your people do EVERYDAY to their fellow human beings and then come back here and tell me how important it is that YOU have to straighten out the American Christians. You hypocritical piece of garbage.

What have YOU DONE to help out starving children? Did you think this was heaven and everything is supposed to be perfect? You insufferable moron!

I had intended to go on and on but I realize it's useless with an idiot like you. You'll never learn till it's too late.

Why can't you just mind your own business and leave people alone?

And the next time you send me an insulting tough guy PM, don't block me from responding, you gutless coward.

Lottery Post rules:

Criticize ideas, not people.  Flaming will not be tolerated.  This includes any material which is vulgar, defamatory, inaccurate, harassing, hateful, threatening, invading of others privacy, sexually oriented, or violates any laws.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on May 30, 2011

Lottery Post rules:

Criticize ideas, not people.  Flaming will not be tolerated.  This includes any material which is vulgar, defamatory, inaccurate, harassing, hateful, threatening, invading of others privacy, sexually oriented, or violates any laws.

Boy, you're lucky there's no rules against being stupid, ain'tcha?

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Boy, you're lucky there's no rules against being stupid, ain'tcha?

Amazing. I remind you about the Lottery Post rules and you actually break the rules in your response. Truly amazing response.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

YOU of ALL people have a lot of gall coming here from a country that beats women in the streets for showing their ankles and then purport to tell US what to believe as far as God or religion. Jam it.

Go to Religionofpeace.com and see what your people do EVERYDAY to their fellow human beings and then come back here and tell me how important it is that YOU have to straighten out the American Christians. You hypocritical piece of garbage.

What have YOU DONE to help out starving children? Did you think this was heaven and everything is supposed to be perfect? You insufferable moron!

I had intended to go on and on but I realize it's useless with an idiot like you. You'll never learn till it's too late.

Why can't you just mind your own business and leave people alone?

And the next time you send me an insulting tough guy PM, don't block me from responding, you gutless coward.

You know what, I really don't care if this gets deleted. I've said this before and I'll say it again.

I never beat any women. I came to the U.S. when I was 7. I joined the U.S. Navy when I was 17 in an 11 month delayed entry program that earned me a stripe even before i actually went to bootcamp and left after 4 years with an honorable discharge, and will show my DD-214 If I have to. You don't know me from Adam and you lump me in with those crazy religious Iranian nutcases. Yes...THEY are religious nutcases. I"M NOT...!

You keep saying...."MY PEOPLE"....They're not my people. I'm a U.S. Citizen who loves the U.S. and proud to be living here you RACIST!........ and every right to express my opinion. Ridge, you sound like the type who sounds racist and likes to suppress free speech. 

You need help.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on May 30, 2011

Amazing. I remind you about the Lottery Post rules and you actually break the rules in your response. Truly amazing response.

What are you doing here?

Shouldn't you be sniffing joker's rear end?

joker17

I blocked you from responding because you're too brainwashed to argue with. It's like a Geologist arguing with a flat-Earth believer. it simply won't work.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

You know what, I really don't care if this gets deleted. I've said this before and I'll say it again.

I never beat any women. I came to the U.S. when I was 7. I joined the U.S. Navy when I was 17 in an 11 month delayed entry program that earned me a stripe even before i actually went to bootcamp and left after 4 years with an honorable discharge, and will show my DD-214 If I have to. You don't know me from Adam and you lump me in with those crazy religious Iranian nutcases. Yes...THEY are religious nutcases. I"M NOT...!

You keep saying...."MY PEOPLE"....They're not my people. I'm a U.S. Citizen who loves the U.S. and proud to be living here you RACIST!........ and every right to express my opinion. Ridge, you sound like the type who sounds racist and likes to suppress free speech. 

You need help.

Ah, the race card. I don't even know what race you are and you call me a racist.

You say you're a proud US citizen, then why don't you stop persecuting people for expressing their freedom of religion?

My ancestors came here to escape from people like you!

And now we're supposed to put up with it and let it start here?

UH-UH, NO WAY!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Ah, the race card. I don't even know what race you are and you call me a racist.

You say you're a proud US citizen, then why don't you stop persecuting people for expressing their freedom of religion?

My ancestors came here to escape from people like you!

And now we're supposed to put up with it and let it start here?

UH-UH, NO WAY!

It's not a race card, it's a fact. You lumped me in with the crazy Iranian strong armed husbands who are ubiquitous in Iran. That's not me. I've eaten plenty of apple pies and driven a few Chevys in my lfe. I play rock guitar (or at least I think i do), relishing in the American lifestyle. You've got me pegged wrong dude. Ridge, I don't hate you as a person. I don't hate anyone that doesn't agree with my thoughts. I present my ideas whether I agree or disagree because I live in a country where i can.

You keep saying persecuting...what?.....So because i disagree with a thread about a guy's mom winning a million by some force, makes me a persecutor?....Are you schmidting me?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

It's not a race card, it's a fact. You lumped me in with the crazy Iranian strong armed husbands who are ubiquitous in Iran. That's not me. I've eaten plenty of apple pies and driven a few Chevys in my lfe. I play rock guitar (or at least I think i do), relishing in the American lifestyle. You've got me pegged wrong dude. Ridge, I don't hate you as a person. I don't hate anyone that doesn't agree with my thoughts. I present my ideas whether I agree or disagree because I live in a country where i can.

You keep saying persecuting...what?.....So because i disagree with a thread about a guy's mom winning a million by some force, makes me a persecutor?....Are you schmidting me?

Yeah, you're a regular Opie Taylor, I'm sure.

Ok, we gave you free speech which you never had before and the thing you want to do with it most is tell us how stupid we are to believe in Jesus Christ and God?

Tell me how long a Christian would last trying that crap in the place you came here from? He'd have his head lopped off on day one.

Respect is the name of the game.

It's all about respect.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Yeah, you're a regular Opie Taylor, I'm sure.

Ok, we gave you free speech which you never had before and the thing you want to do with it most is tell us how stupid we are to believe in Jesus Christ and God?

Tell me how long a Christian would last trying that crap in the place you came here from? He'd have his head lopped off on day one.

Respect is the name of the game.

It's all about respect.

Ok, we gave you free speech which you never had before and the thing you want to do with it most is tell us how stupid we are to believe in Jesus Christ and God?

 

Oh, I didn't know there was a limit on ideas. Ok, why don't you tell me what I can say and can't say Ridge. Hmmmm that sounds like a dictatorship....

The best part of what you wrote above was about how long a Christian would last "WHERE I CAME FROM"....hee hee....You made my point about the religious nutcases all over the world.

I won't mention the persecution of the scientists hundreds of years ago who were forced by the Catholic church to denounce that the Earth was NOT the center of the universe, and that many many stars and planets were out there. They either got burned alive, or imprisoned until their will was not strong enough, so they recounted everything they wrote in order to live.

Yeah, you're right Ridge, RESPECT is the key.....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Ok, we gave you free speech which you never had before and the thing you want to do with it most is tell us how stupid we are to believe in Jesus Christ and God?

 

Oh, I didn't know there was a limit on ideas. Ok, why don't you tell me what I can say and can't say Ridge. Hmmmm that sounds like a dictatorship....

The best part of what you wrote above was about how long a Christian would last "WHERE I CAME FROM"....hee hee....You made my point about the religious nutcases all over the world.

I won't mention the persecution of the scientists hundreds of years ago who were forced by the Catholic church to denounce that the Earth was NOT the center of the universe, and that many many stars and planets were out there. They either got burned alive, or imprisoned until their will was not strong enough, so they recounted everything they wrote in order to live.

Yeah, you're right Ridge, RESPECT is the key.....

You wanna tell me what Christians did HUNDREDS of years ago?

YOUR people are making that look like a picnic EVERY FRIGGING DAY, RIGHT NOW!

Go to the website I gave you for irrefutable, documented evidence.

And again, after checking that out, tell me how important it is to mock and ridicule women in these forums for mentioning they prayed to somebody.

Do you not have the cojones to fight the real religious threat - your people?

These American Christian women aren't demanding you or anyone else join them in prayer or worship their God like your people do.

Why not go straighten out your people first?

Fight the real enemy.

Or are you a you-know-what?  (Gutless Coward)

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

You wanna tell me what Christians did HUNDREDS of years ago?

YOUR people are making that look like a picnic EVERY FRIGGING DAY, RIGHT NOW!

Go to the website I gave you for irrefutable, documented evidence.

And again, after checking that out, tell me how important it is to mock and ridicule women in these forums for mentioning they prayed to somebody.

Do you not have the cojones to fight the real religious threat - your people?

These American Christian women aren't demanding you or anyone else join them in prayer or worship their God like your people do.

Why not go straighten out your people first?

Fight the real enemy.

Or are you a you-know-what?  (Gutless Coward)

My people?.....I don't belong to any tribe.

Oy vey, this is getting silly...

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

My people?.....I don't belong to any tribe.

Oy vey, this is getting silly...

Wow, now you're using slang from another religious group you'd like to wipe off the face of the earth.

joker17

You wanna tell me what Christians did HUNDREDS of years ago?

YOUR people are making that look like a picnic EVERY FRIGGING DAY, RIGHT NOW!

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OK, I guess we at least agree on something. Religioous fanatics can cause harm.

The common thread of all religions is "LOVE". Let's harp on that instead of HATE....

I can express what's on my mind, and so can you. See how simple that is? No persecution, just difference of opinion.

Now that's freedom......US Flag

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Wow, now you're using slang from another religious group you'd like to wipe off the face of the earth.

Disagreeing with another belief doesn't constitute wiping the people off the face of the Earth in my book. Those are your words, not mine.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

You wanna tell me what Christians did HUNDREDS of years ago?

YOUR people are making that look like a picnic EVERY FRIGGING DAY, RIGHT NOW!

--------------------------------------------------------------

OK, I guess we at least agree on something. Religioous fanatics can cause harm.

The common thread of all religions is "LOVE". Let's harp on that instead of HATE....

I can express what's on my mind, and so can you. See how simple that is? No persecution, just difference of opinion.

Now that's freedom......US Flag

Yeah, religious fanatics can cause harm.

Little old ladies praying to St Christopher or whoever for a lottery win ain't causing anybody any harm.

Leave em alone.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Yeah, religious fanatics can cause harm.

Little old ladies praying to St Christopher or whoever for a lottery win ain't causing anybody any harm.

Leave em alone.

Define...'Leave them alone"..

Since when were you appointed to filter what somone replies with on a thread? Do I have to now ask you permission on what i can say and can't say?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Disagreeing with another belief doesn't constitute wiping the people off the face of the Earth in my book. Those are your words, not mine.

My words? Read the news much?

Your leader, Ahmadinejad, said those exact words about Israel.

He said they need to be wiped off the face of the earth.

That's your guy.

joker17

For your information Ridge, I reply to all threads on this site, some i agree, some i don't. I don't ONLY jump into religious threads to annoy Christians. I was hoping I didn't have to explain such a trivial point, but i guess i have to.

Unlike you, I'm not biased. Religion doesn't get a free ride. Everything to me is subject to scrutiny.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

My words? Read the news much?

Your leader, Ahmadinejad, said those exact words about Israel.

He said they need to be wiped off the face of the earth.

That's your guy.

He's not my leader. Get that thru your thick head.

Now you're starting to sound like an idiot.....Hit With Stick

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Define...'Leave them alone"..

Since when were you appointed to filter what somone replies with on a thread? Do I have to now ask you permission on what i can say and can't say?

American men have a long standing tradition of protecting women.

You wouldn't understand.

And we know that if we don't defend our rights (like freedom of religion) we'll lose them to know-it-alls like you.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

He's not my leader. Get that thru your thick head.

Now you're starting to sound like an idiot.....Hit With Stick

What are you getting indignant about?

You said they were my words.

I just told you whose words they were.

And that's the truth.

It was the President of the place you were born.

He got a standing ovation when he said it, by the way, in front of a crowd of your people.

Funny how you haven't said you disagree with what he said.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

What are you getting indignant about?

You said they were my words.

I just told you whose words they were.

And that's the truth.

It was the President of the place you were born.

He got a standing ovation when he said it, by the way, in front of a crowd of your people.

Funny how you haven't said you disagree with what he said.

I haven't disagreed with what the President of iran said?....

Now I know for a fact you don't have a flying clue where I'm coming from.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

I haven't disagreed with what the President of iran said?....

Now I know for a fact you don't have a flying clue where I'm coming from.

So you'll stand with me and the Israelis against him?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

American men have a long standing tradition of protecting women.

You wouldn't understand.

And we know that if we don't defend our rights (like freedom of religion) we'll lose them to know-it-alls like you.

What is with this whole thing about men and their wives? I've never been married. Are you ok man?

You'll never lose your right to defend your religion, as long as you give others the same opportunity to disagree.

What part of this don't you understand?.....or are you gonna go on another rant about Husbands and wives?

What?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

So you'll stand with me and the Israelis against him?

Well of course I agree. The Iranians are just as crazy to think Israel should be wiped off the map as any other religious group who thinks the same. Again, I'm not biased. Wrong is wrong and it comes in many shapes and sizes, religions, groups, countries, ideals, and so on.

joker17

Just because I was born in a country who's moral boundries are dictated by some religious fanatical idealism, does not automatically become written in stone to someone who was born there and left. Get with the program.

Here i am spending so much time telling you I'm against radical ideas that are debatable at best, and all you can do is label me without anyhting to back it up. Not to mention the fact that you've systematically avoided just about every point I brought up earlier in this thread.

Oh well, I have to go to work tomorrow.

Ridge, I wish you the best in your endeavors. Have a good night.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

What is with this whole thing about men and their wives? I've never been married. Are you ok man?

You'll never lose your right to defend your religion, as long as you give others the same opportunity to disagree.

What part of this don't you understand?.....or are you gonna go on another rant about Husbands and wives?

What?

"What is with this whole thing about men and their wives? "

I already told you in the 2nd sentence: "You wouldn't understand".

Our culture cherishes, loves, respects, defends and protects women.

 

Your culture beats and abuses women and treats them like slaves and property.

It's not your fault. That's what your people do. That's your culture.

 

I never said you couldn't disagree about anything. But why do you have to make the most peripheral mention of prayer or God in a post the focal point of the post and then use it for one of your attacks on Christianity?

People pray, people believe in what they want. They don't come here to hear you preach about how stupid they are for their religious beliefs.

Who appointed you the religious police? Do you want a stick to beat the women on the street like they do in your home country?

Get over it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

"What is with this whole thing about men and their wives? "

I already told you in the 2nd sentence: "You wouldn't understand".

Our culture cherishes, loves, respects, defends and protects women.

 

Your culture beats and abuses women and treats them like slaves and property.

It's not your fault. That's what your people do. That's your culture.

 

I never said you couldn't disagree about anything. But why do you have to make the most peripheral mention of prayer or God in a post the focal point of the post and then use it for one of your attacks on Christianity?

People pray, people believe in what they want. They don't come here to hear you preach about how stupid they are for their religious beliefs.

Who appointed you the religious police? Do you want a stick to beat the women on the street like they do in your home country?

Get over it.

But why do you have to make the most peripheral mention of prayer or God in a post the focal point of the post and then use it for one of your attacks on Christianity?

 

Because this is the Lotterypost, and just like i respond to other threads on this site, I have the right to respond to this one as well. You call it "Attacks", I call it a response.

You like making me repeat myself over and over don't you?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

But why do you have to make the most peripheral mention of prayer or God in a post the focal point of the post and then use it for one of your attacks on Christianity?

 

Because this is the Lotterypost, and just like i respond to other threads on this site, I have the right to respond to this one as well. You call it "Attacks", I call it a response.

You like making me repeat myself over and over don't you?

You can call it whatever you want.

You know what it is and so does everybody else.

Your hatred for Christianity is palpable, visceral and seething.

Give the rest of the sleeper cell my best.

majest

The beginning. Its just hard for people to understand/overstand. For religous folks and non believers alike. Trying to tame anothers ego may prove to be a difficult task, yet alone trying to tame ones own. If only you could use/go beyond your five basic senses(which you probably can)you would know the truth for yourself. Don't think id waste 'energy' trying to convince or convert a 'non believer' or 'athiest'. If 'GOD' aka 'highest/higher intelligence' aka 'divine consciousness' hasn't revealed itself to certain people, maybe they are just not ready, or maybe they are not meant to have such forces within or around them, it can be powerful on both ends. I don't know, but im pretty sure it probably has, they just wearn't paying attention, or ignored/deny it all together. Its a big universe. You are not forced to believe anything. Every 'religion' has truth and fallacies. It would be far too easy if it were all truth, or all false anyway. You must seek, with intention. 'Religion' was probably to be created for a kind of moral guidline, but of course it quickly became of political gain, and a lot of time is still used as such. But thats not to say that there isn't any truths within them. Im pretty sure that a lot of religious texts have been re-written plenty over the years by, who knows. But id like to think that 'GOD' aka 'divine will/source/energy' transcends religion, groups, time, space, etc. I also heard that 'GOD' is also a/The master scientist/mathmetician/architech. Thats kinda cool too also.


Whats crazy is that he says he was 'mocking', but anyone who truly doesn't have any faith, or belief in God or in a Higher Power wouldn't even bother making a prayer, 'mocking' or not. So either deep down he really wanted to believe, or their was already a small bit of faith within him that did believe. That mustard seed. I don't know.
But I don't see why its such a big deal that 'HE' believes that Divine Intervention played a part? they are the ones that won the prize/jackpot! Its his/their life. Why try to deny them that?


The only sad part about non-believers/athiest or whatever you want to title it, is that they don't allow themselves to see/experience the beauty or joy of a miracle. A lot of times they seem pessimistic in general, not just limited to these topics. They also deny to realize that 'Athiesm' is also 'religion' or a 'religion'.  **perspective**.   But with that being said, I don't like to devulge/divulge or opinionate too much about such matters or subject. Not really into debates. Plus I have lotteries to win :)    At the end of the day, most people want to be right for agenda or for ego sake, or to satisfy ones own ego if you will, even the so called experts and geniuses of the world. It probably takes more than just 'following' a religion, attending a church or reading texts also. But what do I know, this is not the gospel, its just an opinion. The End

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

You can call it whatever you want.

You know what it is and so does everybody else.

Your hatred for Christianity is palpable, visceral and seething.

Give the rest of the sleeper cell my best.

Just like Ghandi once said..."I'd probably be a Christian, If it weren't for Christians".

People like you give Christianity a bad name.

naijaman

Right...God got involved in making this woman win the lottery...smh.

Msbgentle

Quote: Originally posted by LottoAce on May 29, 2011

Its hard to say anything good about this story. I don't like when atheist temp God to bend to
their will by preforming stupid little parlor tricks. just to prove his existence. "if there is a God he'll knock
this glass of water right off the table" or the college professor who claimed that there was no God
and that if there was; he would come knock him off his podium. how much more arrogant can the human race become? He is the Supreme Being and has nothing to prove to you or me. now I can't answer why
this woman won the lottery; but I can say that a million bucks is nothing compared to spending eternity
knowing that your son is in eternal <snip>ation. maybe, he has become a believer I hope so. but he
better quit throwing his little temper tantrums like a 5 year old and start taking our heavenly Father
serious and start showing him a little respect!

This post has been automatically changed by the Lottery Post computer system to remove inappropriate content and/or spam.

This story is good because the mother refused to ask God to let her win the lottery as her son commanded.  This proves her faith is unyielding--she knows it's God's power to do with what He wills and not hers to command God to use His power to her will.  The son should remember this lesson when someone challenges him the same way he challenged his mother.  I would say that God got the check mate on the son.

MillionsWanted's avatarMillionsWanted

That's just stupid. Luck happens everywhere.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Just like Ghandi once said..."I'd probably be a Christian, If it weren't for Christians".

People like you give Christianity a bad name.

Yeah, we're despicable people, chopping off people's heads and blowing up innocent men women and children EVERY DAY.

Us despicable low down dirty Christians.

How could anyone blame you for hating us?

 

You gutless, spineless coward.

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Skeptical is it me or did the IQ of this fine forum just drop a thousand IQ points

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Quote: Originally posted by hearsetrax on May 30, 2011

Skeptical is it me or did the IQ of this fine forum just drop a thousand IQ points

Yeah, I noticed that too as soon as you walked in.

CashWinner$

I'm new here, but I get what you're saying tho. I read this thread w/interest...

Religion, politics, and the like, sure can arouse inflammatory comments...I know these are quite passionate subjects in my household, for sure!

We were raised Christian..But when I went off to college, things got a little "hairy", per se........

When our Sociology teacher got done w/the Religion Chapter...well, let me put it this way, I did not then & do not now, view "religion" in the same light..

As far as I'm concerned, people can believe what they want...But there are valid points for both the believer & non-believer...

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Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on May 30, 2011

I'm new here, but I get what you're saying tho. I read this thread w/interest...

Religion, politics, and the like, sure can arouse inflammatory comments...I know these are quite passionate subjects in my household, for sure!

We were raised Christian..But when I went off to college, things got a little "hairy", per se........

When our Sociology teacher got done w/the Religion Chapter...well, let me put it this way, I did not then & do not now, view "religion" in the same light..

As far as I'm concerned, people can believe what they want...But there are valid points for both the believer & non-believer...

Thanks Cash, good answer. But actually any answer is a good answer because we have freedom of religion.

You can give the atheist point of view and it'll be fine but just don't mention God or prayer or especially the name Jesus here because a certain person from a foreign country doesn't allow it without ridicule.

And he has a legion of personal butt-sniffers to back him up.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Yeah, we're despicable people, chopping off people's heads and blowing up innocent men women and children EVERY DAY.

Us despicable low down dirty Christians.

How could anyone blame you for hating us?

 

You gutless, spineless coward.

Ruining millions of kid's impressionable minds for the rest of their lives is just as bad. I'd rather have my head chopped off than be a brainwashed robot who spends the rest of their pathetic lives worring about some God sitting up there and whether he's gonna send them to hell or not.

Pathetic!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Thanks Cash, good answer. But actually any answer is a good answer because we have freedom of religion.

You can give the atheist point of view and it'll be fine but just don't mention God or prayer or especially the name Jesus here because a certain person from a foreign country doesn't allow it without ridicule.

And he has a legion of personal butt-sniffers to back him up.

Ridge, you are nothing short of a big fat racist loser!...go eff yourself.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Ridge, you are nothing short of a big fat racist loser!...go eff yourself.

I'm starting to understand now.

I can see a lot of Ahmadinejad in you.

He's an emotional litte midget too. He likes to end his speeches in hysterical tirades just like you and Hitler.

The nut didn't roll far from the bush.

 

You're still my favorite stinky little midget cab driver with a Napoleonic Complex though.

I picture you with a big Napoleon hat on and like Yosemite Sam running around screaming for attention and the hat covering everything but your feet, lol. LOL

Don't worry little guy, someday, somewhere, somehow, somebody will listen to you.

Maybe you could take a vacation back home and beat a few women to relax and unwind in the meantime.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Ruining millions of kid's impressionable minds for the rest of their lives is just as bad. I'd rather have my head chopped off than be a brainwashed robot who spends the rest of their pathetic lives worring about some God sitting up there and whether he's gonna send them to hell or not.

Pathetic!

Yeah, that made a lot of sense. You said that it's better to have your head chopped off than worry about going to Heaven or Hell.

OK then, that's fine, for you.

The rest of us will go our own way if you don't mind.

How about that?

Or do we still have to follow your beliefs or be subjected to your ridicule?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

I'm starting to understand now.

I can see a lot of Ahmadinejad in you.

He's an emotional litte midget too. He likes to end his speeches in hysterical tirades just like you and Hitler.

The nut didn't roll far from the bush.

 

You're still my favorite stinky little midget cab driver with a Napoleonic Complex though.

I picture you with a big Napoleon hat on and like Yosemite Sam running around screaming for attention and the hat covering everything but your feet, lol. LOL

Don't worry little guy, someday, somewhere, somehow, somebody will listen to you.

Maybe you could take a vacation back home and beat a few women to relax and unwind in the meantime.

You will never understand me because you don't even understand yourself or reality. You're in La la land believing in fairytales. You don't like to hear the truth becuase it hurts to know what an idiot you are. Who cares, keep deluding yourself...

TheGameGrl's avatarTheGameGrl

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on May 30, 2011

I'm new here, but I get what you're saying tho. I read this thread w/interest...

Religion, politics, and the like, sure can arouse inflammatory comments...I know these are quite passionate subjects in my household, for sure!

We were raised Christian..But when I went off to college, things got a little "hairy", per se........

When our Sociology teacher got done w/the Religion Chapter...well, let me put it this way, I did not then & do not now, view "religion" in the same light..

As far as I'm concerned, people can believe what they want...But there are valid points for both the believer & non-believer...

Thank you cashWinner for your well versed and educated view point. I certainly get where you are coming from.

Hope you get a chance to see the goodness that does exist in some of the forums....Welcome to LotteryPost

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Yeah, that made a lot of sense. You said that it's better to have your head chopped off than worry about going to Heaven or Hell.

OK then, that's fine, for you.

The rest of us will go our own way if you don't mind.

How about that?

Or do we still have to follow your beliefs or be subjected to your ridicule?

I've got a great idea, why don't you simply block me, then you won't have to be persecuted as you rediculously state. You won't be able to see anything I post. Until you do that, you'll have to butch up and deal with it. The world doesn't revolve around you...

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by TheGameGrl on May 30, 2011

Thank you cashWinner for your well versed and educated view point. I certainly get where you are coming from.

Hope you get a chance to see the goodness that does exist in some of the forums....Welcome to LotteryPost

Well thank you, TheGameGrl!

I enjoy LP very much..... :-) $ (-:

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

I've got a great idea, why don't you simply block me, then you won't have to be persecuted as you rediculously state. You won't be able to see anything I post. Until you do that, you'll have to butch up and deal with it. The world doesn't revolve around you...

Sorry little ayatollah, I ain't sticking my head in the sand so you can come to my country and push people around and tell them what they can or can't believe in.

Go abuse women in your own country.

And take a bath once in a while.

It's an old American tradition.

Learn it, live it, love it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 30, 2011

Sorry little ayatollah, I ain't sticking my head in the sand so you can come to my country and push people around and tell them what they can or can't believe in.

Go abuse women in your own country.

And take a bath once in a while.

It's an old American tradition.

Learn it, live it, love it.

Sorry to break the news to you, but you already have your head up your ass you racist dumbass.

naijaman

This is quite entertaining....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Sorry to break the news to you, but you already have your head up your ass you racist dumbass.

Racist?

I told you to take a bath.

I'm a bathist!

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by naijaman on May 30, 2011

This is quite entertaining....

Agreed..

Both members have some valid points..when they are dissected from the name-calling and vitriol.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on May 30, 2011

Agreed..

Both members have some valid points..when they are dissected from the name-calling and vitriol.

You can easily go back and see that Ridge started the name calling with his racist comments and calling Mario all kinds of names, even after Mario warned him about the rules.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

You can easily go back and see that Ridge started the name calling with his racist comments and calling Mario all kinds of names, even after Mario warned him about the rules.

Ah Jeeeze, were you the classroom tattle tale too?

Figures.

Teacher! Teacher!

Ridge Runner has moonshine in his desk!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

You can easily go back and see that Ridge started the name calling with his racist comments and calling Mario all kinds of names, even after Mario warned him about the rules.

Ridge Runner called me and mario names!      LOL Green laugh

CashWinner$

LOL - You guys are killin me.......Smile

I better head off to Zzzzz'Land (gotta watch the "news" first)

Thanks for a good night everyone!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CashWinner$ on May 30, 2011

LOL - You guys are killin me.......Smile

I better head off to Zzzzz'Land (gotta watch the "news" first)

Thanks for a good night everyone!

Good night Cash.

Sleep tight.

Pick3forSC's avatarPick3forSC

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 29, 2011

100% coincidence.....PERIOD!

I Agree!      How many times have the faithful prayed to God for a big lotto win & it never happened? I know it's more than the fingers & toes i have. It was just her time to win. You cant convince me God had anything to do with it.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Ruining millions of kid's impressionable minds for the rest of their lives is just as bad. I'd rather have my head chopped off than be a brainwashed robot who spends the rest of their pathetic lives worring about some God sitting up there and whether he's gonna send them to hell or not.

Pathetic!

There are worse things to ruin impressionable young minds with. In this day and age something is needed

to make impressions on young minds especially when the world has become such a hostile, hateful, hurtful

place for so many of them.

Why not have a God to turn to? I believe in God and no one will make me believe any different, if they

did it would be satan himself. The father of lies and uncertainty. Satan is the one responsible for doubt

and rejection of God by humankind. We've read what you think about God...do you believe in satan?

God has been a source of strength, hope and faith for many people. He will continue to be too.

Why try to convince them there is no God? Why get so angry when one wants to believe there is a God?

I think your first post to this thread was something along the lines of Coincidence..and that's it. It is said

that: with God all things are possible...who knows why he chooses to answer some and ignore others.

Who knows why suffering is allowed to happen around the world? I sure do not but I'm not going to

question why He allows it or why He won't put a stop to it. I won't challenge God. There are enough

people in the world challenging him..if he took on all of the challenges presented, he would be no differ-

ent than man himself. His power, mystery and greatness would be greatly taken for granted and consi-

dered void because man feels the need to understand and control what is not understood and not able

to be controlled. Man needs to know all mysteries, understand all powers and take charge of what is

not thiers to control. Man diminshes and degrades things. God is very smart to ignore some prayers

and disregard most challenges. He allowed the atheist an answer...we will never know why, we can

guess but only God knows why and that's good enough for most of us, the rest of us can just go on

believing it's coincidence...even the coldest, smallest hearts and minds can change. This is where With

God, all things are possible fits in again.

Joker are you atheist or agnostic?

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 29, 2011

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

I just reread this thread from the beginning.

Here is Joker17's first post in it:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2076541

It was followed immediately by an equally inoffensive and short remark by Mario38.

Then after a few posts of varying degrees of levity in both directions, you weighed in with the above.  I disagreed and replied to it, but you sidestepped my reply, eager to engage Joker and Mario.

Even after your tirades, the objects of your abuse tried to remain civil as long as they could.  Visiondude's response to Joker's same post was thoughtful and peaceful.  As a fellow believer, you could learn a lot from him.

I don't think there's any doubt about the source of the hatefulness in this thread.  I personally know some Iranian immigrants;  attitudes like yours cause a lot of hurt to a lot of people.

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

I just reread this thread from the beginning.

Here is Joker17's first post in it:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2076541

It was followed immediately by an equally inoffensive and short remark by Mario38.

Then after a few posts of varying degrees of levity in both directions, you weighed in with the above.  I disagreed and replied to it, but you sidestepped my reply, eager to engage Joker and Mario.

Even after your tirades, the objects of your abuse tried to remain civil as long as they could.  Visiondude's response to Joker's same post was thoughtful and peaceful.  As a fellow believer, you could learn a lot from him.

I don't think there's any doubt about the source of the hatefulness in this thread.  I personally know some Iranian immigrants;  attitudes like yours cause a lot of hurt to a lot of people.

Thanks jimmy. This forum needs more people like you. On second thought, this world needs more people like you.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

I just reread this thread from the beginning.

Here is Joker17's first post in it:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2076541

It was followed immediately by an equally inoffensive and short remark by Mario38.

Then after a few posts of varying degrees of levity in both directions, you weighed in with the above.  I disagreed and replied to it, but you sidestepped my reply, eager to engage Joker and Mario.

Even after your tirades, the objects of your abuse tried to remain civil as long as they could.  Visiondude's response to Joker's same post was thoughtful and peaceful.  As a fellow believer, you could learn a lot from him.

I don't think there's any doubt about the source of the hatefulness in this thread.  I personally know some Iranian immigrants;  attitudes like yours cause a lot of hurt to a lot of people.

I'd suggest you block me then if your delicate sensibilities are so offended, Nancy.

Wouldn't want you to have a nervous nellie fit, now would we?

Pick3forSC's avatarPick3forSC

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 31, 2011

I'd suggest you block me then if your delicate sensibilities are so offended, Nancy.

Wouldn't want you to have a nervous nellie fit, now would we?

That's the smartest thing i've ever heard you say on here. Think i'll go block you right now. Go kill a squirrel & EFF yourself with it you crack head hillbilly!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Pick3forSC on May 31, 2011

I Agree!      How many times have the faithful prayed to God for a big lotto win & it never happened? I know it's more than the fingers & toes i have. It was just her time to win. You cant convince me God had anything to do with it.

Ahhh, someone with a brain and can think for themselves....BRAVO !

Thumbs Up

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on May 31, 2011

There are worse things to ruin impressionable young minds with. In this day and age something is needed

to make impressions on young minds especially when the world has become such a hostile, hateful, hurtful

place for so many of them.

Why not have a God to turn to? I believe in God and no one will make me believe any different, if they

did it would be satan himself. The father of lies and uncertainty. Satan is the one responsible for doubt

and rejection of God by humankind. We've read what you think about God...do you believe in satan?

God has been a source of strength, hope and faith for many people. He will continue to be too.

Why try to convince them there is no God? Why get so angry when one wants to believe there is a God?

I think your first post to this thread was something along the lines of Coincidence..and that's it. It is said

that: with God all things are possible...who knows why he chooses to answer some and ignore others.

Who knows why suffering is allowed to happen around the world? I sure do not but I'm not going to

question why He allows it or why He won't put a stop to it. I won't challenge God. There are enough

people in the world challenging him..if he took on all of the challenges presented, he would be no differ-

ent than man himself. His power, mystery and greatness would be greatly taken for granted and consi-

dered void because man feels the need to understand and control what is not understood and not able

to be controlled. Man needs to know all mysteries, understand all powers and take charge of what is

not thiers to control. Man diminshes and degrades things. God is very smart to ignore some prayers

and disregard most challenges. He allowed the atheist an answer...we will never know why, we can

guess but only God knows why and that's good enough for most of us, the rest of us can just go on

believing it's coincidence...even the coldest, smallest hearts and minds can change. This is where With

God, all things are possible fits in again.

Joker are you atheist or agnostic?

I'm an agnostic. I don't pretend to know the secrets of the universe.

Crazy

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 29, 2011

I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em.

"Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards."

Joker stood up to all your posts - proves he is not a gutless coward - I think you owe him an apology.  He stated several times he was an American citizen and you continually ignored it with several comments referring to Middle-Eastern people and their laws. 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

I just reread this thread from the beginning.

Here is Joker17's first post in it:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2076541

It was followed immediately by an equally inoffensive and short remark by Mario38.

Then after a few posts of varying degrees of levity in both directions, you weighed in with the above.  I disagreed and replied to it, but you sidestepped my reply, eager to engage Joker and Mario.

Even after your tirades, the objects of your abuse tried to remain civil as long as they could.  Visiondude's response to Joker's same post was thoughtful and peaceful.  As a fellow believer, you could learn a lot from him.

I don't think there's any doubt about the source of the hatefulness in this thread.  I personally know some Iranian immigrants;  attitudes like yours cause a lot of hurt to a lot of people.

You hit the nail on the head. I'm persecuting Christians because I stated it was a coincidence.  Talk about censorship.

So as long as I nod my head in agreement with everything Ridge says regarding religion, then it's all fine and dandy. His world is complete.

That's looney tunes 101 in my book.

Like I said before, Ridge gives real Christians who can tolerate opposing beliefs a bad name. Shame on you Ridge....and you call yourself a Christian.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on May 31, 2011

"Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards."

Joker stood up to all your posts - proves he is not a gutless coward - I think you owe him an apology.  He stated several times he was an American citizen and you continually ignored it with several comments referring to Middle-Eastern people and their laws. 

Him and his ass kissers may get me banned from here as they're trying to do but I'll tell you one thing:

I don't get pushed around by anybody.

Not you, not him, nobody.

Believe that.

You're all a bunch of gutless cowards.

And here's the sad part: You know it.

ttech10's avatarttech10

I wanted make a comment in here but with the war going on I'm not sure how it'd go. I'll just throw out there that it's impossible to win an argument about religion with someone who is an atheist and you're not, and vice versa, so there's no point in it. There's better things to do.

 

I'll just say congrats to this guys mom for winning. Course if we bring CASH Only back I'm sure he'll say it's a curse because it's annual payments so she'll surely be $5 million in the red within a week (or whatever crazy thoughts he had that came with winning annuities).

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

I'm an agnostic. I don't pretend to know the secrets of the universe.

Crazy

To quote none other than youreself joker,

OH THE IRONY:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217837

PS,

Shalom.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on May 31, 2011

To quote none other than youreself joker,

OH THE IRONY:

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217837

PS,

Shalom.

Cointoss, you know I like you despite our little tiffs about some stuff here on the LP, but I'm confused at your inability to discern between my serious posts and the jokes. C'mon dude, how long have you known me by now? You can't be serious with that link....

Oy Vey !!!!!

Green laugh

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Pick3forSC on May 31, 2011

That's the smartest thing i've ever heard you say on here. Think i'll go block you right now. Go kill a squirrel & EFF yourself with it you crack head hillbilly!

Hey Joker! Drop trou! One of your ass sniffers is here!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on May 31, 2011

Thanks jimmy. This forum needs more people like you. On second thought, this world needs more people like you.

I knew it.

You don't like girls, do you?

It's ok little guy, everybody is welcome here.

Are you a high-fashion hair stylist by any chance?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Pick3forSC on May 31, 2011

I Agree!      How many times have the faithful prayed to God for a big lotto win & it never happened? I know it's more than the fingers & toes i have. It was just her time to win. You cant convince me God had anything to do with it.

Uh... Dude... uh, nobody was trying to convince you.

It's only if you mention Christianity in a positive light that a little midget in a big Napoleon hat will come out of a dust cloud like the Tasmanian Devil hysterically screaming bloody murder to make sure you never do it again. All you would see is this BIG NAPOLEON HAT and a little tiny pair of feet sticking out from under it running around in circles and screaming like a banshee.

You have no worries though. He would approve of your religious views and would not assault you for them.

You're safe.

Thank God for that.

Whoops!

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

Cointoss, you know I like you despite our little tiffs about some stuff here on the LP, but I'm confused at your inability to discern between my serious posts and the jokes. C'mon dude, how long have you known me by now? You can't be serious with that link....

Oy Vey !!!!!

Green laugh

You've made serious posts?

Scared

Green laugh

 

(Just trying to lighten things up)

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

Cointoss, you know I like you despite our little tiffs about some stuff here on the LP, but I'm confused at your inability to discern between my serious posts and the jokes. C'mon dude, how long have you known me by now? You can't be serious with that link....

Oy Vey !!!!!

Green laugh

You seem to be in a better mood.

I told you you'd feel better after you took a bath!

Now, that wasn't so bad was it?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on May 31, 2011

You've made serious posts?

Scared

Green laugh

 

(Just trying to lighten things up)

You just gave me a brilliant idea. Thanx...

Maybe if i ignore him, he'll go away. It's pointless to argue with someone who is convinced I'm a midget cab driver from Iran who likes to beat women and stinks because I don't take showers. Many times I've reiterated that I'm a very clean person who  was in The Navy, and got out with an honorable discharge ( have dd-214 to prove it) and love this country. I'm disciplined to take showers on a regular basis.

 I take a bath on a regular basis, sometimes twice a day because it's so hot here in Florida. I'm not a midget, I'm 5 foot 7, not tall, but definitely not a midget. I'm a cab driver, but to get the job, you have to take a piss test, and have a backround check done.

 I also don't beat any women by the way, that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeopardy.....all because i stated at the start of this thread that I thought it was coincidence. How anyone can come to that conclusion based on an opposing belief is beyond my understanding.

So does this mean that all German agnostics are Nazis who beat their women and don't take baths?....Someone please explain this lunacy to me.....please..............Green laugh

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

You just gave me a brilliant idea. Thanx...

Maybe if i ignore him, he'll go away. It's pointless to argue with someone who is convinced I'm a midget cab driver from Iran who likes to beat women and stinks because I don't take showers. Many times I've reiterated that I'm a very clean person who  was in The Navy, and got out with an honorable discharge ( have dd-214 to prove it) and love this country. I'm disciplined to take showers on a regular basis.

 I take a bath on a regular basis, sometimes twice a day because it's so hot here in Florida. I'm not a midget, I'm 5 foot 7, not tall, but definitely not a midget. I'm a cab driver, but to get the job, you have to take a piss test, and have a backround check done.

 I also don't beat any women by the way, that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeopardy.....all because i stated at the start of this thread that I thought it was coincidence. How anyone can come to that conclusion based on an opposing belief is beyond my understanding.

So does this mean that all German agnostics are Nazis who beat their women and don't take baths?....Someone please explain this lunacy to me.....please..............Green laugh

You can't change the spots though, can you leopard?

I don't go by one blurb here or there.

It's your modus operandi.

It's your track record.

You can't resist putting down anybody who expresses their faith in God or especially Christians who do. Why else would I have a problem with an inconsequential little nobody like you?

Let's look at something you said in the post above:

"I also don't beat any women by the way, that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeaopardy....."

Notice the little twerp doesn't say he doesn't beat women because it's wrong...

He says he doesn't beat women because "that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeopardy"

So apparently, if his job wasn't jeopardized he could happily continue his homeland tradition of beating women.

 

But we are the ones that need to learn from him.Confused

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

I'm an agnostic. I don't pretend to know the secrets of the universe.

Crazy

Then stop lecturing us on our religious beliefs.

Just leave that one thing alone you insufferable, nasty, little geek.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 31, 2011

You can't change the spots though, can you leopard?

I don't go by one blurb here or there.

It's your modus operandi.

It's your track record.

You can't resist putting down anybody who expresses their faith in God or especially Christians who do. Why else would I have a problem with an inconsequential little nobody like you?

Let's look at something you said in the post above:

"I also don't beat any women by the way, that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeaopardy....."

Notice the little twerp doesn't say he doesn't beat women because it's wrong...

He says he doesn't beat women because "that would be assault and battery, thus my job would be in jeopardy"

So apparently, if his job wasn't jeopardized he could happily continue his homeland tradition of beating women.

 

But we are the ones that need to learn from him.Confused

Do you folks see how this worm twists my words to benefit his rediculous agenda?

So now Ridge, the Psychologist is reading into my word phrasing and his analyzation is that I'm really a woman beater because I never said outright, that I think it's wrong.

Are you kidding me?

Is this the best you got?

Nevermind eluding the myriad of IMPORTANT issues I brought up early in the thread, which of course led to more middle eastern racist remarks.

You're impossible to have a decent healthy debate about anything it seems.

I got your Modus operandi......Get a life!

Celephane wrap has more intelligence...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 31, 2011

Then stop lecturing us on our religious beliefs.

Just leave that one thing alone you insufferable, nasty, little geek.

I'll let you know when I'm done. Stick around to find out when.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

Do you folks see how this worm twists my words to benefit his rediculous agenda?

So now Ridge, the Psychologist is reading into my word phrasing and his analyzation is that I'm really a woman beater because I never said outright, that I think it's wrong.

Are you kidding me?

Is this the best you got?

Nevermind eluding the myriad of IMPORTANT issues I brought up early in the thread, which of course led to more middle eastern racist remarks.

You're impossible to have a decent healthy debate about anything it seems.

I got your Modus operandi......Get a life!

Celephane wrap has more intelligence...

I didn't twist your words, you lying little coward.

I quoted you.

It's all there in black and white and it doesn't take a detective to see what your mindset is, pal.

You don't have to tell anybody what to think.

Busted.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on May 31, 2011

I didn't twist your words, you lying little coward.

I quoted you.

It's all there in black and white and it doesn't take a detective to see what your mindset is, pal.

You don't have to tell anybody what to think.

Busted.

You forgot the words midget, wife beater....and stinky.....

You're slacking Ridge....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

You forgot the words midget, wife beater....and stinky.....

You're slacking Ridge....

As I've said countless times before - I never repeat myself.

wizeguy's avatarwizeguy

Can I have my 5 stars back?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

This fits perfect in here.

Fairy Tales

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 30, 2011

Ruining millions of kid's impressionable minds for the rest of their lives is just as bad. I'd rather have my head chopped off than be a brainwashed robot who spends the rest of their pathetic lives worring about some God sitting up there and whether he's gonna send them to hell or not.

Pathetic!

Fairytales???

I have sat on the floor with Saudi Princes, who in their best whites and headwear
served rice on a platter adorned with ground meat turd-like things. We ate with
our right hands from the same plate. They asked me if I was a Christian. I said
“yes”. They pointed out that I and they had a father in Abraham. “Yes, he is
the father of those who believe the promises of God”.

Their heritage was out of Ishmael, while mine as a former gentile was through Jesus Christ.

When I left, they wanted to know if I could hook them up with any  blond
girlfriends I had. They were all redheads.

They observe a lunar month. As did the Jews

They have the crescent moon and star that was taught by Daniel while in captivity to
the predecessors of the magi as to the astronomical observation that would
herald the Savior. Rev 12:1 ( The
constellation Virgo at sunset as seen in the west), as did the Jews.

They expect a redeemer, as did the Jews.

Ishmael wanted to claim the promise that was not his and made his own schism/following,
mirroring the Judean faith. Now they also have their own book of verse.

Even the cursive languages share a common source.

The sons of Ishmael always persecuted the sons of Israel and do so today.

So ‘fairytales’ is the pot calling the kettle black. There is no mistake I have
the same father in Abraham, but I come from the promise side of the family and
not the bondwoman. Sarah believed God too, Hebrews 11:11. Ishmael was the
poster child for a whole culture based on false entitlement; a divine right.

The sons of Ishmael’s redeemer will not be the same cornerstone rejected by the Jews.
He will be more like the capstone on the back of a dollar bill. The counterfeit
religion and culture of the sons of Ishmael has many parallels to biblical record and Judean culture -
not fairytales. They are immersed in
fairytales. Oh, and they expect Christ to return too. There is always a
sprinkling of truth with the lie.

Their new imam will be the King of worldly kings. He will have a genetic claim to the
lineage of Abraham and the throne of the world. There is only one family that claims blood lineage to Christ and ultimately,
Abraham. They claim as all Caesars do, divine right to rule by. Divine entitlemant.

In the country is the last sword of Rome’s Caesar, and it bears a legend. In the
country is a pagan temple whose holiest place and floor is made from the temples
of conquest; even Rome will again yield because the act of overthrow is to tear down
all temples of the defeated to build anew, one. One new religion; that of the King.  Of the two candidates (always
have a back-up) One has the surname of Arthur and the Other, David. What sounds
better, King Arthur or King David? To whom is not the honor of the Kingdom
given? Daniel 11:21 How about one last medieval crusade while negotiating world
peace?

The carefully vetted breeding has ended. The key vessel is dead and the new vessel
is not in the keeping of the lineage to sire a fairytale to come true. The last
to bear the name Arthur has been born. With all the tension about 2012, what do
you think the purpose is?  The Olympics? What new order will be the product of chaos? How does
Camelot sound? You know, political perfection served with whirled peas?

Joker,
you are not expected to be able to discern the difference between truth and a
fairytale. You cannot know the truth and you cannot handle it. The Diaspora
exists and are a secret remnant. There are only 144,000 of the true and elect
that will be found and protected in a future day. They are all of the bloodline
and are not fakes or children of false entitlement. These elect will not be
fooled by the worldly Messiah or Imam (who will have a right eye lost, a withered
hand and have a fierce countenance [ugly] from the assassination attempt).

Be careful for what you wish, many heads will roll and the blood will run to the
sea. Some sweet child is being vetted to go way past the dark side, but whoever it is, they go it alone.

You must choose, but choose wisely. The aliens you worship as advanced beings do
not exist. That is a fairytale. That is very pathetic even though you struggle for answers.

The god you are pissed at is not the true God, but somehow you think it is. You were set-up and knocked down.

DD

Feadogger

Before I air my opinions I'll go ahead and insult myself and save anyone else here the trouble, since everybody seems so worked up.  Call me a "Why Can't We All Get Along Girl" or maybe the "Peacenik" but I have to add my 2 cents.

I find it quite fascinating but distressing that so many people get so vitriolic becuase of this story.  So many different types of people win lottery money - they vary in their morality, their religion, their occupation or lack thereof.  I remember something about a convicted sex offender winning a lottery whose proceeds went to sex abuse victims, and numerous stories about people with criminal pasts who have won.  But I don't recall people getting in such high dudgeon about those stories as they are for this one.

Here's my way of fitting this news story and all previous lottery winners into a worldview:

For those who believe in a supreme being:  God doesn't spend all His time making our decision for us or influencing the variables in life (like controlling the lottery), but chooses to intervene in peoples lives in any way He sees fit, right?  We're not supposed to try and predict and understand it all.  Take the Hippocratic approach to airing beliefs . . . above all do no harm.

For those who don't believe in a supreme being, or believe in one that's different from the other people:  The driving *psychological* force behind desire for a specific religion is the need to belong to an ingroup, along with strong mortality salience.  Believing that you can live on in other ways staves off the looming fear of death, and having a guideline to live your life by saves one the agony of figuring out how to behave - religions define that for you in many ways.  Each of us has our own way of coping with those psychological drives, and religion is one that a lot of people rely on.  Other people "live on" by having family legacies, personal accomplishments, living in the moment and not thinking about the inevitability of death.  Some people try and figure out how to behave by following the patterns of their parents or friends or even a celebrity (gah) rather than a religion.  It doesn't make any of these people, religious or nonreligious delusional, it makes them human and psychologically predictable.  Why demean anyone for just being human?

And lastly, I would like to say that before you criticize anyone, you should walk a mile in his shoes.  That way, if he gets angry, you will be a mile away and he will be barefoot.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on May 31, 2011

Fairytales???

I have sat on the floor with Saudi Princes, who in their best whites and headwear
served rice on a platter adorned with ground meat turd-like things. We ate with
our right hands from the same plate. They asked me if I was a Christian. I said
“yes”. They pointed out that I and they had a father in Abraham. “Yes, he is
the father of those who believe the promises of God”.

Their heritage was out of Ishmael, while mine as a former gentile was through Jesus Christ.

When I left, they wanted to know if I could hook them up with any  blond
girlfriends I had. They were all redheads.

They observe a lunar month. As did the Jews

They have the crescent moon and star that was taught by Daniel while in captivity to
the predecessors of the magi as to the astronomical observation that would
herald the Savior. Rev 12:1 ( The
constellation Virgo at sunset as seen in the west), as did the Jews.

They expect a redeemer, as did the Jews.

Ishmael wanted to claim the promise that was not his and made his own schism/following,
mirroring the Judean faith. Now they also have their own book of verse.

Even the cursive languages share a common source.

The sons of Ishmael always persecuted the sons of Israel and do so today.

So ‘fairytales’ is the pot calling the kettle black. There is no mistake I have
the same father in Abraham, but I come from the promise side of the family and
not the bondwoman. Sarah believed God too, Hebrews 11:11. Ishmael was the
poster child for a whole culture based on false entitlement; a divine right.

The sons of Ishmael’s redeemer will not be the same cornerstone rejected by the Jews.
He will be more like the capstone on the back of a dollar bill. The counterfeit
religion and culture of the sons of Ishmael has many parallels to biblical record and Judean culture -
not fairytales. They are immersed in
fairytales. Oh, and they expect Christ to return too. There is always a
sprinkling of truth with the lie.

Their new imam will be the King of worldly kings. He will have a genetic claim to the
lineage of Abraham and the throne of the world. There is only one family that claims blood lineage to Christ and ultimately,
Abraham. They claim as all Caesars do, divine right to rule by. Divine entitlemant.

In the country is the last sword of Rome’s Caesar, and it bears a legend. In the
country is a pagan temple whose holiest place and floor is made from the temples
of conquest; even Rome will again yield because the act of overthrow is to tear down
all temples of the defeated to build anew, one. One new religion; that of the King.  Of the two candidates (always
have a back-up) One has the surname of Arthur and the Other, David. What sounds
better, King Arthur or King David? To whom is not the honor of the Kingdom
given? Daniel 11:21 How about one last medieval crusade while negotiating world
peace?

The carefully vetted breeding has ended. The key vessel is dead and the new vessel
is not in the keeping of the lineage to sire a fairytale to come true. The last
to bear the name Arthur has been born. With all the tension about 2012, what do
you think the purpose is?  The Olympics? What new order will be the product of chaos? How does
Camelot sound? You know, political perfection served with whirled peas?

Joker,
you are not expected to be able to discern the difference between truth and a
fairytale. You cannot know the truth and you cannot handle it. The Diaspora
exists and are a secret remnant. There are only 144,000 of the true and elect
that will be found and protected in a future day. They are all of the bloodline
and are not fakes or children of false entitlement. These elect will not be
fooled by the worldly Messiah or Imam (who will have a right eye lost, a withered
hand and have a fierce countenance [ugly] from the assassination attempt).

Be careful for what you wish, many heads will roll and the blood will run to the
sea. Some sweet child is being vetted to go way past the dark side, but whoever it is, they go it alone.

You must choose, but choose wisely. The aliens you worship as advanced beings do
not exist. That is a fairytale. That is very pathetic even though you struggle for answers.

The god you are pissed at is not the true God, but somehow you think it is. You were set-up and knocked down.

DD

The Bible is nothing but Plagiarism. Spend some time to do an objective research and you'll find that many religions before Christianity had the exact same stories as in the Bible.

Crazy

CrazyHazyYay!'s avatarCrazyHazyYay!

Hey guys. I have a question for the Christians, but first allow me to divulge in my background for the sake of context. I used to be an active member in my Presbyterian community, attending church retreats twice a year without fail, going on mission trips out of the country to spread the gospel, but have since seen the evils in this world that really made me doubt there is a God out there protecting the innocent. I am now an agnostic, and I must say I find myself depressed more than I should be, given the blessings I've received. I want to believe in God and have that relationship with Him, but I cannot pray with a clear mind and heart no longer. The reality of this world causes too much grief for me to accept the mandates of the Bible. Anyway, my mother is a devout Christian for as long as I can remember. She attends early morning prayer almost every day. She has used her income to build a church and help refugees from religion intolerant nations such as North Korea and parts of China. She is a counselor at this "Spiritual Training" program that apparently helped a lot of people come to peace with God, despite their painful pasts. And yet, her getting cancer was part of "God's plan." She was diagnosed this past Friday, and has since been stricken with fear and sadness. I went to church the following Sunday and prayed for the first time in YEARS, asking God to heal this terminal illness. As I am praying, going through my mother's good deeds in the name of God, and letting it justify God curing her, I find myself becoming angry. According to the good book, EVERYTHING is God's will. Therefore, using my mother as a vessel for His deeds was part of the plan, and so was her getting cancer. I just found it hard to ask Him to cure her cancer, when it was God that gave it to her in the first place. Whether it's the lack of innocence that I possessed as a child, or just the realities of places like Africa and Mexico that I've seen firsthand, I just don't have peace with God anymore. And I yearn for it... Can someone please provide some insight?

Kidzmom's avatarKidzmom

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on May 29, 2011

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

I Agree!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

whoa.   been away from this thread for far too long.     yikes 

while i don't agree with ridge's "assesment" of joker's basis for his ideaologies,  i do appreciare ridge standing up for the respect factor of what many people believe in here.

if you don't believe or agree,  cool,  but be a respectful sort,  and the truth ridge stated was that there are alot of cowardly people that roam these halls,  that within their response to these kinds of subject matters,  they are sarcastically inclined in their response,  disrespectful,  or otherwise straight up hateful.

THANK YOU RIDGE for defending the notion that if you are going to be nasty towards the beliefs of others,  then you are going to have to expect a defense against that attack of it.

if you don't believe.....then throttle back in your response,  and be respectful 

joker deserves to be put in his place,  based on the continual fact that he doesn't just "disagree",  he is purposefully nasty to those that do believe.

good job,  ridge

much obliged  Thumbs Up

SmoothJuice

I don't get it.  Gambling is a sin.  Lotto is gambling.   Only a crooked church would allow gambling.

jimmy4164

CrazyHazyYay,

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--Jimmy4164

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on May 31, 2011

whoa.   been away from this thread for far too long.     yikes 

while i don't agree with ridge's "assesment" of joker's basis for his ideaologies,  i do appreciare ridge standing up for the respect factor of what many people believe in here.

if you don't believe or agree,  cool,  but be a respectful sort,  and the truth ridge stated was that there are alot of cowardly people that roam these halls,  that within their response to these kinds of subject matters,  they are sarcastically inclined in their response,  disrespectful,  or otherwise straight up hateful.

THANK YOU RIDGE for defending the notion that if you are going to be nasty towards the beliefs of others,  then you are going to have to expect a defense against that attack of it.

if you don't believe.....then throttle back in your response,  and be respectful 

joker deserves to be put in his place,  based on the continual fact that he doesn't just "disagree",  he is purposefully nasty to those that do believe.

good job,  ridge

much obliged  Thumbs Up

I can respectfully say that you're a brainwashed simpleton.

I'm not going to debate a Mr. no-it-all like you again, but I will let you know that when we started this whole thing a while back, it started with a peaceful discourse, but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel, I get frustrated. I can only repeat myself so many times before I lose it.

You are too far gone to have a debate with because you're too biased. There isn't an ounce of  objective thought in your brain. You're a lost cause....

I don't sugar coat anything, and tell it like it is.

You nor anyone else as a matter of fact has put me in my place because they can't. You can't defend something that doesn't exist, but in your mind. You may keep trying to convince me that you're not brainwashed, but you'll fail time and time again.

The brightest minds have debated this issue for eons, but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out. Now you know why I call you an idiot....I could be calling you much worse, but I'm trying my best to be respectful....

jimmy4164

Things are looking up in Kentucky...

I wonder how they determined what "full-size" was?

And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by CrazyHazyYay! on May 31, 2011

Hey guys. I have a question for the Christians, but first allow me to divulge in my background for the sake of context. I used to be an active member in my Presbyterian community, attending church retreats twice a year without fail, going on mission trips out of the country to spread the gospel, but have since seen the evils in this world that really made me doubt there is a God out there protecting the innocent. I am now an agnostic, and I must say I find myself depressed more than I should be, given the blessings I've received. I want to believe in God and have that relationship with Him, but I cannot pray with a clear mind and heart no longer. The reality of this world causes too much grief for me to accept the mandates of the Bible. Anyway, my mother is a devout Christian for as long as I can remember. She attends early morning prayer almost every day. She has used her income to build a church and help refugees from religion intolerant nations such as North Korea and parts of China. She is a counselor at this "Spiritual Training" program that apparently helped a lot of people come to peace with God, despite their painful pasts. And yet, her getting cancer was part of "God's plan." She was diagnosed this past Friday, and has since been stricken with fear and sadness. I went to church the following Sunday and prayed for the first time in YEARS, asking God to heal this terminal illness. As I am praying, going through my mother's good deeds in the name of God, and letting it justify God curing her, I find myself becoming angry. According to the good book, EVERYTHING is God's will. Therefore, using my mother as a vessel for His deeds was part of the plan, and so was her getting cancer. I just found it hard to ask Him to cure her cancer, when it was God that gave it to her in the first place. Whether it's the lack of innocence that I possessed as a child, or just the realities of places like Africa and Mexico that I've seen firsthand, I just don't have peace with God anymore. And I yearn for it... Can someone please provide some insight?

There were no weeds in the garden of Eden. Adams blood was genetically pure and there
were no diseases of the blood. Who made the weeds? Who is the author of death?
Who genetically made giants from what was available to him without having to create because he could not
create something from nothing? Who wants the stolen glory? Who wants to be
worshiped in the name of God? Who wants to be like the most High God?

People are taught much of what God’s will is but there is not scripture to back it up.
What scripture some know seems contradictory. Do you know which god you
speak of when you are taught that he brings death? If one scripture can be
toyed with to destroy Adam’s fellowship with God –to the point it is a lie,
does that lie have the true God’s seal of approval? Who made genetic giants?
Which god? The true God and Father of Jesus Christ or, the god of this world who
has dominion over it and anyone that is his subject born into it? Do you know of either and
their will for you?

You are expected to see the hypocrisy of the false god posing as the true, but not
to the degree you see which god is at work. The success is in the secrecy of
his moves. The true God gets the blame and hearts are hurt. One feels betrayed.
The one who has betrayed you was not the true God, but a poser. A poser who in
his best form uses scripture of the true God to steal, kill and destroy. Hosea
2:6 Speaks of people being destroyed for a lack of knowledge and that knowledge
is an accurate knowledge of Him- God. Romans 10:2 speaks of misplaced zeal for God,
zeal that is not founded in a knowledge of Him. God’s will to be sick? Which
god? 3 John verse 2 seems to contradict the idea that it is the true God’s will
to make one sick and impoverished. The apparent contradiction is in the early
wrongful teachings you hold, not in the scripture. Truth versus tradition is a
hard one on the mind that is used to lies. Black is white and white is black,
all is confusion by the source of confusion. God says of Himself that He is not the author of confusion. Hmm.

If you want to know and worship the true God your only avenue to know what His will is for you is by His Word.

If organized religion indoctrinates people with lies that they later see the hypocrisy
in, why should the true God get the blame? Because you were taught wrongly and
the same seed of the serpent that spiritually fathered the scribes and Pharisees
(the spiritual leaders of Israel) that confronted Christ, are at work even
today. People are destroyed for a lack of knowledge about the true God when
they are not aware of what is written. Jesus said “It is Written”.

The three big ones that keep you in the dark:

                          The trinity

                   Jesus Christ is God

                   The dead are alive

Religion is a stench in God’s nostrils. It is what men do to men in the name of God. All
religions new and old have a little spark of truth in it to allure and attract adherents.
The most vicious and deadly work within organized so-called Christianity: To
make the Word of God into a lie. That is why there are so many denominations.
It is like Burger King out there.

You were taught a lie and told it was truth. It is spiritual plagiarism and
devilish. Eve was enticed to believe a lie: "thou shalt surely not die". The
result of her actions broke fellowship with God and it took the second Adam to
restore that to the point that the spirit of God did not rest upon you on a
condition, but was yours within if you meet a condition (Romans 10: 9,10). Colossians 1:27 :Christ
in you, the hope of glory.

See the post and link by Jimmy 4164? There are many ways to destruction and like Burger
King, the father of lies will serve to you what appeals to you, your way. Have
it your way or have it the Word’s way. Nothing new under the sun. Vision Dude can
serve you greasy fries with your desire dressed up like a Sad-you-see.

Creationists just do not like Genesis 1:2. Nor do they understand what God created that was
new or what was restored that needed repair, like turning on the light (“let
there be light” was not an act of creation; light existed before and was
created before). His right-hand servant was brilliant (as in light, Lucifer was
a creature of light –he was not a snake but shimmered like a snake as it moves.
The word Lucifer describes a form of light.) and had the keys to the pantry but
he cannot create. This same servant felt he was on par with God and tried to
overthrow Him. This servant wanted the dominion of the physical world because
that is the place he can use some old skills. Weeds, germs, genetic aberrations,
war and death; dirty deeds done dirt cheap. It is written of him that he was a
murderer from the beginning. Creationists are trying to appeal to the
scientific mind as a form of outreach. It looks like it is going to be theme park
and if completed, will be quite a cash cow. The organizers are already fleecing
investors. Sounds like another good cause based on lies. So also was Mars hill
near the Acropolis “key chains, souvenirs, idols,… Fresh-Hot-Spicy Vesuvius Rat on a stick! –would you
like the Troy-fries with your rat and you can Caesar-size it for a few more coin?”.

The true God does not possess people to do His will or deeds. The truth in that act
is found by understanding which god does. Get a new God, one you can hold to His Word when you find out what it is.

John
8:32

DD

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

I can respectfully say that you're a brainwashed simpleton.

I'm not going to debate a Mr. no-it-all like you again, but I will let you know that when we started this whole thing a while back, it started with a peaceful discourse, but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel, I get frustrated. I can only repeat myself so many times before I lose it.

You are too far gone to have a debate with because you're too biased. There isn't an ounce of  objective thought in your brain. You're a lost cause....

I don't sugar coat anything, and tell it like it is.

You nor anyone else as a matter of fact has put me in my place because they can't. You can't defend something that doesn't exist, but in your mind. You may keep trying to convince me that you're not brainwashed, but you'll fail time and time again.

The brightest minds have debated this issue for eons, but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out. Now you know why I call you an idiot....I could be calling you much worse, but I'm trying my best to be respectful....

"it started with a peaceful discourse".

 not from your end, it didn't.   it never does ----->  from you

that's the problem with you,  you cannot seem to control your anger about this subject matter,  and it doesn't take long for you to descend into nasty land.

i am not offended when someone legitimately questions about anything i believe, or what historical Christianity teaches.

  just do it with respect.

you don't have a patient respect bone in your body concerning this,  opting instead to being a sarcastic jerk.

ask a concern like "20,000 kids dying a day", etc...... and that's a legit question and concern when slicing apart beliefs for a better unbiased "look". 

but you don't premise it as a "concern",   your just a disrespectful jerk looking for trouble,  and whine when you encounter someone who tells you what you are, and highlights your motivation.

i wish a had a $1 for everyone of these threads were you started out of the gate with your heinous,  because i could fund my 1QP until the day i "told you so"

"but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel",

 anyone that actually picks truth over people and agenda knows that's a straight up lie.

between the 2 of us......you are the one that keeps buying new track shoes

"but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out"

 i do,  but not like you insinuate i do. 

  i don't know everything,  but what i do know i am not the least bit deterred from saying i do,  just because you can't fathom it,  doesn't mean it's "not true".

the only difference between a man like you,  and a man like me is that not only made an allowance for it to "possibly" be real (which you never have),  and follwed that up by backing that belief in that "possibility" that if it was real,  that i allowed it to take it's rightful place of authority over my life.

that fact alone precedes any possibility of you ever finding out "for sure",  until you deal with the authority issue.

so long as you fight against that,  you are only HOPING it's not real.

one of the most intellectually lamest statements a person can make,  given all that is riding on it,  is that "no one knows the truth".

if there is a God......that's 100% erroneus.

conversely,  the truth really is......if there is a God.......millions of people will know

get real.   you disparage everything there is that portends the possibility of God being personal,  and yet you complain "there is no proof".

your an arrogant fool to think God owes you proof / belief,  when your first thought about Him is that.

you can always tell a person who really does seek the truth about these things,  they surely aren't sarcastic / arrogant in thier approach. 

nope.   they are wise enough to realize a maybe,  when it comes to an eternal address.

even if you were right,  and only a dark grave is your "eternity",  you still lost your own battle,  because being a jerk really only affects your quality of life......before your dirt nap.

measure it eiher way you chose,  you are still on the losing end of the scale

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on May 31, 2011

I'm an agnostic. I don't pretend to know the secrets of the universe.

Crazy

Maybe you are agnostic in pleasant environments and atheist in ones where you have to defend your own

ideas and opinions. I think the only supporting opinion you've provided 'proving' there is no God is your

constant argument: Why do 20 million children die.....etc etc etc. Sounds like pumpi sometimes.

 

You keep calling for proof and urging someone to show you that God is real. You are basing your opinions

on a belief there is no God because you can't see Him, can't touch Him and can't converse with Him.

He won't talk to you...so, He's not there.

He won't let you see Him..so, He's not there.

He won't let you touch Him..so, He's not there.

He lets people die, children die, relatives die....He allows disasters to take place making people miserable,

He allows bad things to happen, He allows people to be hurt, killed, maimed...allows babies to be born

birth defects and so on and on and on. Why? There is no why unless you want to play God. How would

any human being - made in God's image but not in God's almightyness - even begin to understand the

almighty? One such as yourself thinks they can and wants to know and taunts others to provide

proof God exists...you dally with beliefs, believers revel in faith. An atheist has no faith. An atheist rejects

God because he cannot control God. Controlling God is like controlling authority....asking why is defiance.

You somehow feel superior by calling people religious idiots because they can't or won't explain to you

the 5 W's of God yet get defensive when the same is dished out to you.

You stick your own foot in your mouth much of the time you post. You lose control, then regain it by

claiming you only are searching for answers...only to lose control again and claim there definitely is no

God. It sounds as if you found your place in the world, joker. You chose the devil's domain...earth. Be

your own God here because he doesn't exist!! The devil loves dissention, disorder and disobedience...

and he also loves people like you.

You did not answer my other question...do you believe in satan?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on May 31, 2011

There were no weeds in the garden of Eden. Adams blood was genetically pure and there
were no diseases of the blood. Who made the weeds? Who is the author of death?
Who genetically made giants from what was available to him without having to create because he could not
create something from nothing? Who wants the stolen glory? Who wants to be
worshiped in the name of God? Who wants to be like the most High God?

People are taught much of what God’s will is but there is not scripture to back it up.
What scripture some know seems contradictory. Do you know which god you
speak of when you are taught that he brings death? If one scripture can be
toyed with to destroy Adam’s fellowship with God –to the point it is a lie,
does that lie have the true God’s seal of approval? Who made genetic giants?
Which god? The true God and Father of Jesus Christ or, the god of this world who
has dominion over it and anyone that is his subject born into it? Do you know of either and
their will for you?

You are expected to see the hypocrisy of the false god posing as the true, but not
to the degree you see which god is at work. The success is in the secrecy of
his moves. The true God gets the blame and hearts are hurt. One feels betrayed.
The one who has betrayed you was not the true God, but a poser. A poser who in
his best form uses scripture of the true God to steal, kill and destroy. Hosea
2:6 Speaks of people being destroyed for a lack of knowledge and that knowledge
is an accurate knowledge of Him- God. Romans 10:2 speaks of misplaced zeal for God,
zeal that is not founded in a knowledge of Him. God’s will to be sick? Which
god? 3 John verse 2 seems to contradict the idea that it is the true God’s will
to make one sick and impoverished. The apparent contradiction is in the early
wrongful teachings you hold, not in the scripture. Truth versus tradition is a
hard one on the mind that is used to lies. Black is white and white is black,
all is confusion by the source of confusion. God says of Himself that He is not the author of confusion. Hmm.

If you want to know and worship the true God your only avenue to know what His will is for you is by His Word.

If organized religion indoctrinates people with lies that they later see the hypocrisy
in, why should the true God get the blame? Because you were taught wrongly and
the same seed of the serpent that spiritually fathered the scribes and Pharisees
(the spiritual leaders of Israel) that confronted Christ, are at work even
today. People are destroyed for a lack of knowledge about the true God when
they are not aware of what is written. Jesus said “It is Written”.

The three big ones that keep you in the dark:

                          The trinity

                   Jesus Christ is God

                   The dead are alive

Religion is a stench in God’s nostrils. It is what men do to men in the name of God. All
religions new and old have a little spark of truth in it to allure and attract adherents.
The most vicious and deadly work within organized so-called Christianity: To
make the Word of God into a lie. That is why there are so many denominations.
It is like Burger King out there.

You were taught a lie and told it was truth. It is spiritual plagiarism and
devilish. Eve was enticed to believe a lie: "thou shalt surely not die". The
result of her actions broke fellowship with God and it took the second Adam to
restore that to the point that the spirit of God did not rest upon you on a
condition, but was yours within if you meet a condition (Romans 10: 9,10). Colossians 1:27 :Christ
in you, the hope of glory.

See the post and link by Jimmy 4164? There are many ways to destruction and like Burger
King, the father of lies will serve to you what appeals to you, your way. Have
it your way or have it the Word’s way. Nothing new under the sun. Vision Dude can
serve you greasy fries with your desire dressed up like a Sad-you-see.

Creationists just do not like Genesis 1:2. Nor do they understand what God created that was
new or what was restored that needed repair, like turning on the light (“let
there be light” was not an act of creation; light existed before and was
created before). His right-hand servant was brilliant (as in light, Lucifer was
a creature of light –he was not a snake but shimmered like a snake as it moves.
The word Lucifer describes a form of light.) and had the keys to the pantry but
he cannot create. This same servant felt he was on par with God and tried to
overthrow Him. This servant wanted the dominion of the physical world because
that is the place he can use some old skills. Weeds, germs, genetic aberrations,
war and death; dirty deeds done dirt cheap. It is written of him that he was a
murderer from the beginning. Creationists are trying to appeal to the
scientific mind as a form of outreach. It looks like it is going to be theme park
and if completed, will be quite a cash cow. The organizers are already fleecing
investors. Sounds like another good cause based on lies. So also was Mars hill
near the Acropolis “key chains, souvenirs, idols,… Fresh-Hot-Spicy Vesuvius Rat on a stick! –would you
like the Troy-fries with your rat and you can Caesar-size it for a few more coin?”.

The true God does not possess people to do His will or deeds. The truth in that act
is found by understanding which god does. Get a new God, one you can hold to His Word when you find out what it is.

John
8:32

DD

"People are taught much of what God’s will is but there is not scripture to back it up"

 none? 

 you mean like the 4,000+ years of predated / eyewitness history even prior to the life of Christ,  that spoke specifically who He would be (God, who comes in the flesh,  and takes on the sin of the world Himself)  ?

i see,  and now whoever reads your cult inspired rambling see's also,  that you depart from historical Christianity like an ego driven bullet train.

meander all you feel the need to,  but i will take historical Christianity for a $1000, alex.

 the scriptures have taught shortly right after their inception ----->  that God would eventually come in the flesh,  and since we have eyewitness accounts of His coming,  and the subsequent fulfillment of all He said He would do,  historical Christianity will always trump whatever cult version of it you have highjacked for personal wish list.

good as you are with semantics and wishful thinking,  even you can't stretch armstrong true recorded history into something different.

most people can't counter your meanderings.  i get that. 

 unfortunately you were right about people entrusting their beliefs to anothers description of what they think it is.

but me,  i am armed with history.   already recorded history.  all i need to do is repeat it,  then allow it to stand alone on it's on merit,  and anyone with a nuetral intellect can tell that recorded history stated "it" would visit it's creation,  and when "it" did,   humanity eyewitnessed THAT,  and recorded it.

now the question is....did recorded history really portend that,  and did people really watch it flesh itself out?

getting back to the people / opinion validation process,  i got to thinking a simple litmus test of DD being an "expert" in true history is easily sampled.

not that any of us are perfect,  and facts stand alone apart from the ability of a man to mirror them,  but one glaring fact about DD,  is that DD doesn't "mirror" what he portends is "true" at all.

look at the guys track record just in here.    the guys behavior descends so fast,  it speeds past his "belief" long before he can defend it.

one thing i noticed that's insulting to his supposed "Christian beliefs",  is his consistent verbage about what he has to say about women.

thinks their "open season",  sexually speaking.   talks about them as if there he suffers memory loss about what his beliefs say about sexual purity and mores from a biblical perspective.

when i look for validation of anything,  i don't look for perfection,  but i do look for consistentcy,  and DD consistently heads in the other direction of "consistentcy".

does that truth make DD's ramblings "untrue"?    not in and of itself,  no. 

but.........it does highlight the fact that you cannot trust a person for "truth",  if they cannot mirror a large portion of it themselves.

nope,  true history replicated truthfully was DD's undoing.

DD just made the obvious more......obvious

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

Things are looking up in Kentucky...

I wonder how they determined what "full-size" was?

And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 1, 2011

truecritic,

I forgot; the specs are available!

This is good.  All those taxpayers in Kentucky will at least be able to ensure that they get what they're paying for in terms of size. Wink

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on May 31, 2011

"it started with a peaceful discourse".

 not from your end, it didn't.   it never does ----->  from you

that's the problem with you,  you cannot seem to control your anger about this subject matter,  and it doesn't take long for you to descend into nasty land.

i am not offended when someone legitimately questions about anything i believe, or what historical Christianity teaches.

  just do it with respect.

you don't have a patient respect bone in your body concerning this,  opting instead to being a sarcastic jerk.

ask a concern like "20,000 kids dying a day", etc...... and that's a legit question and concern when slicing apart beliefs for a better unbiased "look". 

but you don't premise it as a "concern",   your just a disrespectful jerk looking for trouble,  and whine when you encounter someone who tells you what you are, and highlights your motivation.

i wish a had a $1 for everyone of these threads were you started out of the gate with your heinous,  because i could fund my 1QP until the day i "told you so"

"but as time goes on, and you don't address the many issues i've proposed, running like a weasel",

 anyone that actually picks truth over people and agenda knows that's a straight up lie.

between the 2 of us......you are the one that keeps buying new track shoes

"but the ALMIGHTY VISIONDUDE has got it all figured out"

 i do,  but not like you insinuate i do. 

  i don't know everything,  but what i do know i am not the least bit deterred from saying i do,  just because you can't fathom it,  doesn't mean it's "not true".

the only difference between a man like you,  and a man like me is that not only made an allowance for it to "possibly" be real (which you never have),  and follwed that up by backing that belief in that "possibility" that if it was real,  that i allowed it to take it's rightful place of authority over my life.

that fact alone precedes any possibility of you ever finding out "for sure",  until you deal with the authority issue.

so long as you fight against that,  you are only HOPING it's not real.

one of the most intellectually lamest statements a person can make,  given all that is riding on it,  is that "no one knows the truth".

if there is a God......that's 100% erroneus.

conversely,  the truth really is......if there is a God.......millions of people will know

get real.   you disparage everything there is that portends the possibility of God being personal,  and yet you complain "there is no proof".

your an arrogant fool to think God owes you proof / belief,  when your first thought about Him is that.

you can always tell a person who really does seek the truth about these things,  they surely aren't sarcastic / arrogant in thier approach. 

nope.   they are wise enough to realize a maybe,  when it comes to an eternal address.

even if you were right,  and only a dark grave is your "eternity",  you still lost your own battle,  because being a jerk really only affects your quality of life......before your dirt nap.

measure it eiher way you chose,  you are still on the losing end of the scale

What a load of crap. Go back and read the beginning and you'll see that I didn't know you from Adam, so there was no need to get mad at you. In any argument I've ever had with anyone, It always starts with a conversation which leads to an argument because of many reasons. Get with reality already. Wake up from that stupor you're in.

As far as the other crap you wrote, I laid down many question which you refused to answer and that's a fact. I even copied and pasted a long article regarding the many prophecies in the Bible that you calimed to have come true, which was turned out to be false, yet I never heard one peep from you.

I gave you so many different questions, simple questions, but you always used some excuse to WEASEL out of it.

YOU can't answer simple questions. Then when I got tired of asking them over and over and over and over and over and over, I left because I got tired of arguing with a brick wall, to which then you accused me of running away. You simply don't get it do you?

Why?......because you're clueless and so brainwashed that you refuse to even attempt to answer any of the questions...because you CAN'T.....

Now get over it....!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Jun 1, 2011

Maybe you are agnostic in pleasant environments and atheist in ones where you have to defend your own

ideas and opinions. I think the only supporting opinion you've provided 'proving' there is no God is your

constant argument: Why do 20 million children die.....etc etc etc. Sounds like pumpi sometimes.

 

You keep calling for proof and urging someone to show you that God is real. You are basing your opinions

on a belief there is no God because you can't see Him, can't touch Him and can't converse with Him.

He won't talk to you...so, He's not there.

He won't let you see Him..so, He's not there.

He won't let you touch Him..so, He's not there.

He lets people die, children die, relatives die....He allows disasters to take place making people miserable,

He allows bad things to happen, He allows people to be hurt, killed, maimed...allows babies to be born

birth defects and so on and on and on. Why? There is no why unless you want to play God. How would

any human being - made in God's image but not in God's almightyness - even begin to understand the

almighty? One such as yourself thinks they can and wants to know and taunts others to provide

proof God exists...you dally with beliefs, believers revel in faith. An atheist has no faith. An atheist rejects

God because he cannot control God. Controlling God is like controlling authority....asking why is defiance.

You somehow feel superior by calling people religious idiots because they can't or won't explain to you

the 5 W's of God yet get defensive when the same is dished out to you.

You stick your own foot in your mouth much of the time you post. You lose control, then regain it by

claiming you only are searching for answers...only to lose control again and claim there definitely is no

God. It sounds as if you found your place in the world, joker. You chose the devil's domain...earth. Be

your own God here because he doesn't exist!! The devil loves dissention, disorder and disobedience...

and he also loves people like you.

You did not answer my other question...do you believe in satan?

No, I don't believe in Satan or any of that crap.

I have many many reasons to why I'm an agnostic. Not because i can't see him or any of the other things you listed. And it's not just because of the 20,000 kids. I've listed many many simple questions that haven't been answered by anyone, because it's not answerable. I have a long laundry list of things I can point out, that no one can answer.

I neither have the time or patience to rewrite all that stuff. Do a search and you'll see endless pages I wrote regarding the many contradictions.

I don't claim to know for sure whether he exists or not. If i did claim I knew for sure, Id be just as guilty as the religous folks who claim they know for sure. And that's impossible. Period!...No one knows.

dr65's avatardr65

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 1, 2011

No, I don't believe in Satan or any of that crap.

I have many many reasons to why I'm an agnostic. Not because i can't see him or any of the other things you listed. And it's not just because of the 20,000 kids. I've listed many many simple questions that haven't been answered by anyone, because it's not answerable. I have a long laundry list of things I can point out, that no one can answer.

I neither have the time or patience to rewrite all that stuff. Do a search and you'll see endless pages I wrote regarding the many contradictions.

I don't claim to know for sure whether he exists or not. If i did claim I knew for sure, Id be just as guilty as the religous folks who claim they know for sure. And that's impossible. Period!...No one knows.

Thank you joker.

That's not a loaded statement either.

Just a simple thank you for being direct and to the point without sarcasm or insult.

sandia's avatarsandia

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   I'm sorry but that was just too funny, he converted from being an atheist to a religious man because he believes his 'mock' prayer was answered for his mom to win a million dollars?!Green laugh

   I wonder who should be more bemused, atheists or religious fanatics........either way, it  is too darn funny for me to even read about it, heck, the headline itself gave me the giggles, poor kids in my tutoring class looked at me like I was a cow that jumped over the moon but missed it and landed on Mars instead!

 

  Green laughGreen laughGreen laughGreen laugh

  Life is what you make it, enjoy it, you only have one chance to do so.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 1, 2011

What a load of crap. Go back and read the beginning and you'll see that I didn't know you from Adam, so there was no need to get mad at you. In any argument I've ever had with anyone, It always starts with a conversation which leads to an argument because of many reasons. Get with reality already. Wake up from that stupor you're in.

As far as the other crap you wrote, I laid down many question which you refused to answer and that's a fact. I even copied and pasted a long article regarding the many prophecies in the Bible that you calimed to have come true, which was turned out to be false, yet I never heard one peep from you.

I gave you so many different questions, simple questions, but you always used some excuse to WEASEL out of it.

YOU can't answer simple questions. Then when I got tired of asking them over and over and over and over and over and over, I left because I got tired of arguing with a brick wall, to which then you accused me of running away. You simply don't get it do you?

Why?......because you're clueless and so brainwashed that you refuse to even attempt to answer any of the questions...because you CAN'T.....

Now get over it....!

at the risk of descending another thread into a rediculous back and forth,  are you that upside down in life that you have to resort to lying about what has transposed over time between us?

your lying to yourself and to the board if you portray that i "ran" from anything you served up.

that's a straight up lie.

i countered everything you ever manufactured,  and you are the one that michael jacksoned out the side door many times.

there are some people for which it is more difficult to defend against,  based on their intelligence and resourcefulness,  but don't flatter yourself joker,  because there will never come a day where you could serve up anything i would have to "run from".

i said in here before,  more times than i can count,  but if a person has to resort to lying in order the "maintain" their position in life......they don't have a position in the first place.

i ran from you -----> Green laugh

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

Things are looking up in Kentucky...

I wonder how they determined what "full-size" was?

And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!

I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses. I don't believe in any of their stories, but insofar as it's a legitimate business it deserves the same breaks that are available to other businesses that  are expected to have a similar economic impact. Of course a theme park about Islam or Satanism should also get tax breaks in proportion to the expected economic impact and that vote should also be unanimous, but we know that's about as likely as winning the lottery. I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Jun 1, 2011

I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses. I don't believe in any of their stories, but insofar as it's a legitimate business it deserves the same breaks that are available to other businesses that  are expected to have a similar economic impact. Of course a theme park about Islam or Satanism should also get tax breaks in proportion to the expected economic impact and that vote should also be unanimous, but we know that's about as likely as winning the lottery. I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision.

"I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses."

I agree.

Assuming these tax incentives were determined by a full analysis of the economic impact of the project, including start-up AND ongoing long term effects, I wonder if Kentuckians have been apprised of it?  There will be engineering and construction jobs created at the outset, but eventually, theme parks end up with a maintenance crew and lots of part-time HS and college kids selling tickets and making hot dogs.  I hope the Finance Authority is at least requiring the principals to contract with Kentucky construction companies!

Before subsidizing a for profit business to the tune of $40 Million belonging to all the citizens of Kentucky, wouldn't it make sense to see an accounting up front, one that would show into whose hands this $40M will end up?   I'm sure the "...group of unidentified private investors..." putting up the other $132M for the project are happy!  Big Smile

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 1, 2011

"I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses."

I agree.

Assuming these tax incentives were determined by a full analysis of the economic impact of the project, including start-up AND ongoing long term effects, I wonder if Kentuckians have been apprised of it?  There will be engineering and construction jobs created at the outset, but eventually, theme parks end up with a maintenance crew and lots of part-time HS and college kids selling tickets and making hot dogs.  I hope the Finance Authority is at least requiring the principals to contract with Kentucky construction companies!

Before subsidizing a for profit business to the tune of $40 Million belonging to all the citizens of Kentucky, wouldn't it make sense to see an accounting up front, one that would show into whose hands this $40M will end up?   I'm sure the "...group of unidentified private investors..." putting up the other $132M for the project are happy!  Big Smile

"Assuming these tax incentives" and "Before subsidizing a for profit business to the tune of $40 Million"

I'm adding "Jimmy doesn't know there's huge difference between a tax incentive and subsidizing a business" right below "Jimmy believes 50,000 pick-3 players will buy a $1 QP every night, win or lose for 54 years".

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Jun 1, 2011

I'd like to see all such tax incentives abolished so that all businesses compete on an equal footing, but if there are going to be such incentives it's not unreasonable to have the rules apply to all businesses. I don't believe in any of their stories, but insofar as it's a legitimate business it deserves the same breaks that are available to other businesses that  are expected to have a similar economic impact. Of course a theme park about Islam or Satanism should also get tax breaks in proportion to the expected economic impact and that vote should also be unanimous, but we know that's about as likely as winning the lottery. I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision.

"I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision."

"an estimated 600-700 full time jobs and a projected $250 million in its initial year." And I'll add this is an election year; you can't get reelected in a bible belt state by saying "no" to Noah's Ark.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on May 31, 2011

Things are looking up in Kentucky...

I wonder how they determined what "full-size" was?

And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!

"And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!" 

Thumbs UpGreen laughROFLCheersHurray!Big GrinHyperBananaDanceLOL

 

Heavens to Betsy, I hear they're going to put up a huge cross along the highway too!

Oh Goodness Gracious!

 

Don't worry Nancy, someday I'm sure they'll put up a "HELL" Theme Park so you can have equal time.

With a special section for Interior Decorators.

Delta Draw

My-my. So much contention and strife over a news article, a story. Maybe it is a story, follow the money.

A well known unbeliever and one who is in his mother’s face about it, gets religion after his mother wins a
million. All of a sudden he wants to express his involvement in the ‘miracle’. Look who is getting the glory and is making the news. It sounds so sincere, so good, so heartwarming and all from a goat.  He should sell used cars or insurance. Is this not the most unbelievable testimony of an unbeliever's conversion?

I would not put it past him if his tongue-in-cheek conversion hopes to get a piece of the pie.

It will be interesting to see over the following year just how much conviction this man has for his new found faith.

Let’s watch the  news for the rest of the story. If he is as adamant about his unbelief as some are, it won't be long to see the fruit. After all, there are other unbelievers who will jump on the chance to run this through some mud trenches because they have much at stake. It will feed another smear campaign unbelievers love to get published to mock God.

I say he is a goat and will not put a penny in a coffer, let alone a tithe. "faith commeth by hearing,.. the Word of God". Lottery winnings are exempt.

DD

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 1, 2011

"I don't see a real problem with the decision itself, but I'm skeptical about  the reasons behind the decision."

"an estimated 600-700 full time jobs and a projected $250 million in its initial year." And I'll add this is an election year; you can't get reelected in a bible belt state by saying "no" to Noah's Ark.

You saying there are politics involved with the theme park?

It will have to be a tour stop for Sarah Palin then.

 I’ll bet every one of my gold teeth on it.

Sorry Ridge, you don’t have enough teeth left to match the bet, even if they were gold capped.

And I thought stupid was only a state
of mind,...

DD

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 1, 2011

"And the $40 Million in tax breaks will allow the Kentucky taxpayers to contribute too!" 

Thumbs UpGreen laughROFLCheersHurray!Big GrinHyperBananaDanceLOL

 

Heavens to Betsy, I hear they're going to put up a huge cross along the highway too!

Oh Goodness Gracious!

 

Don't worry Nancy, someday I'm sure they'll put up a "HELL" Theme Park so you can have equal time.

With a special section for Interior Decorators.

Hey rdgnr,

I think this is the 2nd time I've noticed you referring to me as "Nancy."  It's interesting, although not that surprising, that someone with that name shares enough of my views that you would mistake me for him/her.  Sorry, but I only know one Nancy, and she's in Ohio.

--Jimmy4164

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Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Jun 2, 2011

You saying there are politics involved with the theme park?

It will have to be a tour stop for Sarah Palin then.

 I’ll bet every one of my gold teeth on it.

Sorry Ridge, you don’t have enough teeth left to match the bet, even if they were gold capped.

And I thought stupid was only a state
of mind,...

DD

There were questions about giving tax incentives to a religious based theme park but the company is not a religious organization or tax exempt. The ground breaking won't be until August and that's spring time in Alaska.

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 2, 2011

There were questions about giving tax incentives to a religious based theme park but the company is not a religious organization or tax exempt. The ground breaking won't be until August and that's spring time in Alaska.

Ahh, Capitalism. One does not need to
have a tax exempt status the old fashioned way anymore. They just lobby for tax
breaks. A bad bribe for the people who will pay for it up the what’sit.

An outfit, that as it turns out was
from Texas, wanted to make Dick Cheney’s dream come true on the 1200 gas fired
power plants that never got built. The
plan was to have a natural gas liquefied
terminal in several locations on the Columbia River in western Oregon. There is
a natural reservoir in place, plumbed in and now supersized by Texican pipefighters.
  The LNG plant was not wanted and the outfit finally
gave up. They left some 100 million in unpaid debts for permits and media and
Etc. They went bankrupt almost immediately after finally understanding NO and
all the communities that gave the outfit credit for permits and services got
hung out to dry. BIGTIME. They are political suckers that got bribed. The USA does not
have the LNG tankers that fly our flag so by law, we cannot even get out own
gas, port to port. The gas would be from another country. Not exactly the energy
self sufficiency plan we were told to be on. The prop jobs have gearboxes that last five years at best. One field has already been sold, as-is.

 

I have seen numerous big outfits
promise the world with a picket fence around it to get such incentives and
every one is a state sponsored corporation of entitlement. 30 million from
Alaska to Canada for a pipeline that will not happen and they are locked into
paying more. Nuclear plants, Several steel plants, a bottle plant, CoGens, ethanol
plants where there is no corn for a thousand miles, etc. Somebody is getting
rich and the country is floundering in financial ruin, public and private.

Like a Gypsum board plant goes in a
no-nothing town and gets tax breaks while emergency services go belly up the
same year. No ambulances. The Fire department is merged with another city 25
miles away. No funding. What a deal. They
even get a provision to make more air pollution than what is allowed by other
long standing business who would get fined for the same emissions. And oh the
promises of the jobs! BS. They had the Jr. colleges teaching pre-application
courses (to get a job ap) and the jobs went to people from out of state and I do
not mean Washington across the river.

All across the nation there are such
stories of new hopeful businesses- new industry getting breaks and as soon as it can be
done they are bankrupt and given a special provision. There is big money
fleecing the right people and all that has to happen is,… it gets in financial trouble
and is bought by another party for pennies on the dollar. Wink-wink,
nudge-nudge. Ah, the virtues of greedy capitalism for the entitled; great gain is godliness.

 

Groundbreaking in August? I will bet all my teeth Palin will be there with a shovel and will speak of the virtues of
such an undertaking. I only hope she is in deep as an investor. Could there,..
is there a Wal-Mart nearby so Sarah can shop without dressing up in her PJ’s?

 She does not need votes, she needs investors. Who is better to fleece the congregations than one of their own? She is on a mission from god but nobody knows which one.

DD

uh, Stack,... it is springtime in Alaska NOW. It lasts a few days way up there.

Stack47

Sarah Palin will be busy creating her own theme park based on the "Midnight ride of Paul Revere" with bell tower water slides. Every day at 1:00 PM they will reenact the famous historical moment when Revere rang one bell by land and two bells by sea.

It's so refreshing to have Sarah pointing out the errors in history.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 3, 2011

Sarah Palin will be busy creating her own theme park based on the "Midnight ride of Paul Revere" with bell tower water slides. Every day at 1:00 PM they will reenact the famous historical moment when Revere rang one bell by land and two bells by sea.

It's so refreshing to have Sarah pointing out the errors in history.

Yeah, maybe she should build it next to Obama's Theme Park based on "all 57 states" that he says he visited before the last election.

 

It's also refreshing to have Barack pointing out errors in the history books.

Perfecttiming2's avatarPerfecttiming2

Quote: Originally posted by dallascowboyfan on May 29, 2011

I love stories like this........

Isaiah 61:7 "Instead of their shame my people will receive a double portion, and instead of disgrace they will rejoice in their inheritance; and so they will inherit a double portion in their land, and everlasting joy will be theirs." The mother got 2 blessings her son becoming a believer  and $1 million dollars.........

Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!

Hi dallascowboyfan!

Love your post and I agree!

I know this story is written from the point of this young man but what if his mother had been praying to God that her son would change his ways of thinking?....

God makes it very clear that blessing fall on the just and the unjust (Matt 5:45) and He is Sovereign and His thoughts are not our thoughts nor are His ways our ways.....(Isaiah 55)

Which reminds me...someone mentioned why would God bless this situation when there are starving children?

God does care about starving children....

I feel that when you see those commercial of children suffering and you want to scream at God....just know that the fact that you are "watching" that commercial is God screaming at you to do something about it!!!!!

God has given us (human beings) the power and ability to fix it.....

If I can spend $1 on a lottery ticket for every drawing....I can come up with $38 bucks a month to send to my sponsor child in Ethiopia so that she can have 3 meals a day and her village can have medicine to fight HIV.

(I am not saying that everyone reading this should do that...just trying to make a point that God has done His part by giving us life....we can do our part to make it better...esp for someone else).

Starving children is not the result of a distant God....IT IS NOT HIS FAULT....It is the result of humanity's corruption, greed and lack of compassion......and you don't have to wait to win the lottery to make a difference.

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts neither are your ways My ways said the Lord.  As the heavens are higher than the earth so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:7-9)

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Jun 3, 2011

Hi dallascowboyfan!

Love your post and I agree!

I know this story is written from the point of this young man but what if his mother had been praying to God that her son would change his ways of thinking?....

God makes it very clear that blessing fall on the just and the unjust (Matt 5:45) and He is Sovereign and His thoughts are not our thoughts nor are His ways our ways.....(Isaiah 55)

Which reminds me...someone mentioned why would God bless this situation when there are starving children?

God does care about starving children....

I feel that when you see those commercial of children suffering and you want to scream at God....just know that the fact that you are "watching" that commercial is God screaming at you to do something about it!!!!!

God has given us (human beings) the power and ability to fix it.....

If I can spend $1 on a lottery ticket for every drawing....I can come up with $38 bucks a month to send to my sponsor child in Ethiopia so that she can have 3 meals a day and her village can have medicine to fight HIV.

(I am not saying that everyone reading this should do that...just trying to make a point that God has done His part by giving us life....we can do our part to make it better...esp for someone else).

Starving children is not the result of a distant God....IT IS NOT HIS FAULT....It is the result of humanity's corruption, greed and lack of compassion......and you don't have to wait to win the lottery to make a difference.

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts neither are your ways My ways said the Lord.  As the heavens are higher than the earth so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:7-9)

Well said, Perfecttiming2. Thumbs Up

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 3, 2011

Yeah, maybe she should build it next to Obama's Theme Park based on "all 57 states" that he says he visited before the last election.

 

It's also refreshing to have Barack pointing out errors in the history books.

Okay Ridge, I get your point, we need someone who makes more gaffs than Obama. The Palin gaff calendar list has enough material for two years and Obama’s is good for maybe a week. We need another VP to flip off congress and a President who will do it to an audience and visual media. I sure miss W and Dick, but the effect still lingers. I am all for the republicans running this country bankrupt so it can be ‘reorganized’ by the Crown. Heck, I
am starting to understand GHWB’s New World order. Bring it on! Who's story will history be?

 

It is so sad you desire political perfection with imbalanced observations, but it is in the works. Next year we get the G8 and in 2013, Who-hoo! England! Homecoming!

Palin is a grifter and a tease, I only wish she was still a Democrat so you could see the light. As long as she
can, she will promote her divine influence (self inflicted) while spending donated money on politicians of her choice. It is divine right. Let her do the voting. What is wrong with Church and State? Is that not your new State motto?

 

Just give your money to her and let it ride.  Spend a little more time in the garden. You can have a Yamaka when you get to the Creation Abomination Park grand opening (it is like a Mickey Mouse hat without the ears). Tawd Palin has already modeled one. Then you can see how they cram some several billion years of  history into the last 6,000 years while disregarding Genesis 1:2 and the fact that the book speaks of three distinct earths. We are in #2. #1 is the asteroid belt. Who was the planet killer that made earth without form and void? Why replenish if it did not need it? ....And I thought Alaska was a stupid state running in a heat with Arizona and Texas.

DD

Do you know why  oranges will not be found here at the park? A: for fear of the juice.

Know why nobody played cards to pass the time on Noah's Ark? A: Noah sat on the deck.

What stretches more, flesh or rubber? A: flesh; Baalam tied his ass to a tree and walked up the mountain.

What did Jesus say on the cross to lighten the mood? Hey! I can see my house from here!

These bad jokes and more await you at the museum of biblical fantasy in Tennisee  Kentucky

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

DD,  when ridge made that comment asking if you were still waiting for the "spaceship" trailing the hale bopp comment to come pick up the stragglers,  he should have created a poll about it based around you.

just for kicks and giggles

btw,  are you ever going to reveal the cult you belong to,  or do "they" tell you in your bylaws to keep that on the DL ?

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 6, 2011

DD,  when ridge made that comment asking if you were still waiting for the "spaceship" trailing the hale bopp comment to come pick up the stragglers,  he should have created a poll about it based around you.

just for kicks and giggles

btw,  are you ever going to reveal the cult you belong to,  or do "they" tell you in your bylaws to keep that on the DL ?

I am in the Get a New God cult, freak. Jesus Christ is the leader.

DD

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Jun 3, 2011

Hi dallascowboyfan!

Love your post and I agree!

I know this story is written from the point of this young man but what if his mother had been praying to God that her son would change his ways of thinking?....

God makes it very clear that blessing fall on the just and the unjust (Matt 5:45) and He is Sovereign and His thoughts are not our thoughts nor are His ways our ways.....(Isaiah 55)

Which reminds me...someone mentioned why would God bless this situation when there are starving children?

God does care about starving children....

I feel that when you see those commercial of children suffering and you want to scream at God....just know that the fact that you are "watching" that commercial is God screaming at you to do something about it!!!!!

God has given us (human beings) the power and ability to fix it.....

If I can spend $1 on a lottery ticket for every drawing....I can come up with $38 bucks a month to send to my sponsor child in Ethiopia so that she can have 3 meals a day and her village can have medicine to fight HIV.

(I am not saying that everyone reading this should do that...just trying to make a point that God has done His part by giving us life....we can do our part to make it better...esp for someone else).

Starving children is not the result of a distant God....IT IS NOT HIS FAULT....It is the result of humanity's corruption, greed and lack of compassion......and you don't have to wait to win the lottery to make a difference.

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts neither are your ways My ways said the Lord.  As the heavens are higher than the earth so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:7-9)

Oh, ok, so let me get this straight. He knows full well that 20,000 kids are going to die everyday, yet he continues to allow another 20,000 kids to be born, which in turn will die an untimely and horrible death?    That's about 8 million every year for how many decades and decades?

 GOD says: Ok kids...come on...get ready to go today. I know you're going to croak a miserable death in a few short years but it's part of my plan. I know you'll suffer in the heat and disease filled communities filled with filth and strife up until your final day, but that too is part of my magnificent plan......It's not my fault you have leaders that are corrupt and greedy for power, not my problem, you'll have to go anyways cause I said so...Puke

You folks need serious help.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 8, 2011

Oh, ok, so let me get this straight. He knows full well that 20,000 kids are going to die everyday, yet he continues to allow another 20,000 kids to be born, which in turn will die an untimely and horrible death?    That's about 8 million every year for how many decades and decades?

 GOD says: Ok kids...come on...get ready to go today. I know you're going to croak a miserable death in a few short years but it's part of my plan. I know you'll suffer in the heat and disease filled communities filled with filth and strife up until your final day, but that too is part of my magnificent plan......It's not my fault you have leaders that are corrupt and greedy for power, not my problem, you'll have to go anyways cause I said so...Puke

You folks need serious help.

That's just silly.  It's the same false argument used by newbie atheists all the time.  "God lets ____ happen, so how can there be a God."

I got news for you Joker:  there is no good without evil.  How would there be good if evil did not exist?  Use more sophisticated debate points if you want to have a worthy discussion about religion.

God does not "let" things happen.  The world, the universe, mankind, and everything else is not perfect.  Only God is.  If a certain number of kids die, and that number is more than you think it should be, then maybe you should realize that the world we all live in is not perfect -- not paradise.  Paradise vanished a long time ago.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

That's just silly.  It's the same false argument used by newbie atheists all the time.  "God lets ____ happen, so how can there be a God."

I got news for you Joker:  there is no good without evil.  How would there be good if evil did not exist?  Use more sophisticated debate points if you want to have a worthy discussion about religion.

God does not "let" things happen.  The world, the universe, mankind, and everything else is not perfect.  Only God is.  If a certain number of kids die, and that number is more than you think it should be, then maybe you should realize that the world we all live in is not perfect -- not paradise.  Paradise vanished a long time ago.

"...there is no good without evil."

Of course, this is a semantic game.

"God does not "let" things happen."

"...etc..."

You make these statements as though they were self evident.

How do you know them to be true?

Try to define the concepts of "good" and "evil" in the absence of sentient life, as though you were god yourself in a universe in which you had not yet created any.  And you can't cheat and use the words good, evil or their synonyms in your definitions!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

visiondude makes a prediction in the other thread,  and wouldn't you know it only took 3 days for it to come to pass.

i told you these guys aren't interested in debating universal truths,  they are only trolling around looking to start garbage, and both of them suffer from runamokitis,  better know in the pshyche world as lack of self control.

i just think it's hysterical now that joker opened his mouth (again),   that his supposed slam dunk "undeniable truth" allows 20,000 children to die everyday.

 it's not "gods" fault,   it's your "undeniable truths" fault.......since it's so "undeniable" above all others.

that's the addition in here you made, so now you have to live with it that your "undeniable truth" is THE cause and effect.

you just inadvertantly threw your alien buddies under the cosmic bus.    better hope that "probe" thing isn't true.

joker inSINuated that his "undeniable truth" trumped a hit parade of the worlds religions in the validity arena,  so now evidently it becomes awefully suspect that those alien fellers can't do squat about the inequities of their own "world",  or ours.

things i would like to observe before i am swayed jokers way...

lets see the alien fellers hand deliver their magna carta to joker,  then...

they can zoom over to the guys challenge desk,  pick up the $1000 check,  take a pic of it with their far advanced photo imaging thingy majiggy,  and then joker can post a pic of it right here.

or,  joker (and the "aliens")  can skip all that superlative hula baloney and save all those 20,000 children a day themselves.

shoot,  i think if it is "undeniable",  all of us would be impressed if they can save 5,000 a day.

personally,  i don't demand much,  100 a day is good by me

i just lowered the bar.  why?   cuz i am a nice guy,  and "fair enough" to demonstrate someones true agenda

surf the net for titanium underwear joker.   you are going to need it

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

"...there is no good without evil."

Of course, this is a semantic game.

"God does not "let" things happen."

"...etc..."

You make these statements as though they were self evident.

How do you know them to be true?

Try to define the concepts of "good" and "evil" in the absence of sentient life, as though you were god yourself in a universe in which you had not yet created any.  And you can't cheat and use the words good, evil or their synonyms in your definitions!

Ugh, J.V. arguments.  Do a little reading.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

That's just silly.  It's the same false argument used by newbie atheists all the time.  "God lets ____ happen, so how can there be a God."

I got news for you Joker:  there is no good without evil.  How would there be good if evil did not exist?  Use more sophisticated debate points if you want to have a worthy discussion about religion.

God does not "let" things happen.  The world, the universe, mankind, and everything else is not perfect.  Only God is.  If a certain number of kids die, and that number is more than you think it should be, then maybe you should realize that the world we all live in is not perfect -- not paradise.  Paradise vanished a long time ago.

I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic.

I've got a ton of debate points that eclipse this issue about the kids. I'm only responding to what others are pointing out about this issue. You still didn't answer the dilemma about letting kids be born by God, knowing they're doomed. Talk about craziness.

You want a good one, I'll give it. The majority of Christians believe the Universe is only about 6 to 10 thousand years old. How can that be If there are galaxies billions of light years away. it took light that long to get here.

There's a lot more, but I feel it's futile because you and others will always provide some obscure answer that you're comfortable with. No one likes to deal with the tough questions, but wants to live in la la land believing everything they read in some book.

Why don't you respond to the list of the hundreds of religions I posted in the topic that is closed now.

Please respond to the post I made about plagiarism pertaining to the Bible. The videos I posted do a better job of explaining it. Did you even bother to watch them?

You say God does not let things happen, well there's a ton of problems with that statement. if he does exist, he's the one that set up that scenario in the first place. If he's all knowing and ominpotent, Alpha and Omega he would've known that there was a good chance that Eve would eat the apple, thus ruining everything for mankind, which in itself is a rediculous story to begin with, but for arguments sake, he allowed this to happen which started a chain reaction.

I'm sorry, there are way too many paradoxes in religions that make no sense whatsoever. You can try to make sense of those paradoxes all you want but I've already spent years trying to find a way around them and it's futile.

If you want, I can spend hours writing ALL of the things that make no sense, but It's no use. People will do what they want despite mu efforts, so it's a waste of time for me.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

Ugh, J.V. arguments.  Do a little reading.

If this is true, those terms should have been simple for you to define.

Maybe Joey can help...

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 8, 2011

I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic.

I've got a ton of debate points that eclipse this issue about the kids. I'm only responding to what others are pointing out about this issue. You still didn't answer the dilemma about letting kids be born by God, knowing they're doomed. Talk about craziness.

You want a good one, I'll give it. The majority of Christians believe the Universe is only about 6 to 10 thousand years old. How can that be If there are galaxies billions of light years away. it took light that long to get here.

There's a lot more, but I feel it's futile because you and others will always provide some obscure answer that you're comfortable with. No one likes to deal with the tough questions, but wants to live in la la land believing everything they read in some book.

Why don't you respond to the list of the hundreds of religions I posted in the topic that is closed now.

Please respond to the post I made about plagiarism pertaining to the Bible. The videos I posted do a better job of explaining it. Did you even bother to watch them?

You say God does not let things happen, well there's a ton of problems with that statement. if he does exist, he's the one that set up that scenario in the first place. If he's all knowing and ominpotent, Alpha and Omega he would've known that there was a good chance that Eve would eat the apple, thus ruining everything for mankind, which in itself is a rediculous story to begin with, but for arguments sake, he allowed this to happen which started a chain reaction.

I'm sorry, there are way too many paradoxes in religions that make no sense whatsoever. You can try to make sense of those paradoxes all you want but I've already spent years trying to find a way around them and it's futile.

If you want, I can spend hours writing ALL of the things that make no sense, but It's no use. People will do what they want despite mu efforts, so it's a waste of time for me.

your not debating stitch.   people that debate are people with an ambivlaent angle who desire to learn.

you just follow people around and throw up nasty garbage against a wall,  just because you have a chip on your shoulder about this arena of life.

look at your last post,   that comes from an angle of debate?

it was a sarcastic swipe,  and all you are good for when it comes to these intersections.

"The videos I posted do a better job of explaining it".

 you mean the ones that demonstrate "they" can't save 20,000 children everyday,  or even score a measly $1000 check?

that's "undeniable proof" alright ....lol

"Why don't you respond to the list of the hundreds of religions I posted in the topic that is closed now".

  i did,  right in this thread. 

your a little on the forgetful side,  probably because you being so incensed and all about this subject matter, you purposefully skip right over things that are 180 degree's opposite of your alledged "undeniable truth".

what i stated about the "list" was what you insinuated,  that they (the list) were all "wrong",  because there were hundreds of them,  so how could anyone know?        fair question,  until....

you opened your mouth and claimed you had the fast track to the ultimate truth,   claiming your alien videos contained "undeniable truths" that superceded all intelligence and world religions.

you are the one that's now claiming to know the one true answer to all of this.

what's the matter,  can't live up to your claims joker once someone applies the addition / subtraction magnifying glass of universal truth ?

you throw garbage at everyone else,  but can't handle your own in house trash compactor

funny thing is,   your "undenaible truths" couldn't stand shoulder to shoulder with a list you posted,  because "they" couldn't even collect a paltry $1000.

to ad insult to your already injurious position,  i also noted correctly that your 'aliens' can't keep 20,000 children from dying.

'they" should be able to,   because according to you,  it's "undeniably true"  that aliens ARE the answer.

your right,  it makes no sense for you to bomb the thread with your "concerns".

let's just skip all the pleasantries,  get right down to the biznatch for efficientcy purposes,  and you can explain "why" if the aliens ARE the truth,  why they are UNABLE to score you a $1000 check,   and why they can't even save 100 people around the world from starvation?

you complain about religions,  but it's ok that you can't answer your own affliations claims.

your the person you complain the most about.

i told the board you couldn't help yourself,  and now,  thanks to you,  they are INCENSED that aliens can't keep 20,000 children from starving everyday.

you just set alien "believability" back about 500 years.

at least elvis gave money to poor families to keep them from starving,  by giving them $1000 checks

kick rocks in your own rock pile.  you are way out of your league in here

rock - paper -scissors,  and my "$1000 bill" just covered your "rock"...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

If this is true, those terms should have been simple for you to define.

Maybe Joey can help...

You need to learn respect, Nancy.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

"...there is no good without evil."

Of course, this is a semantic game.

"God does not "let" things happen."

"...etc..."

You make these statements as though they were self evident.

How do you know them to be true?

Try to define the concepts of "good" and "evil" in the absence of sentient life, as though you were god yourself in a universe in which you had not yet created any.  And you can't cheat and use the words good, evil or their synonyms in your definitions!

You make great points. Much more eloquently done compared with my raw version...lol

You're exactly correct, proclaiming things as truth, which I've been ranting all along, is the crux of this whole dilemma.

I try to evaluate life with an open mind. I used to be somewhat leaning towards Christianity many years ago. But then a light went on and I started an investigation.

Funny how this God gave us brains to think, analyze, scrutinize, invent, argue, discuss, evaluate, problem solve life's dilemmas, yet when it comes to the many religions to choose from, and which one of the many can give us some insight, not one human has the right to question it. Everything else in life is put thru the ringer except for Religion...WHY?

What a paradox that is.....!

 

If there is a God, I would hope he would congratulate me when I meet him. He'd pat my head and tell me I passsed the test. The test of common sense.

God: You are in my everlasting presence because you earned it. Despite the multitudes claiming they knew who I was, you figured it out all by your own common sense. You chose to be spiritual and tune in with the Universal intelligence, whatever that may be. Good job my son.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i like the end of your ramble joker,  where you are having a "conversation" with someone you can't name,  you have no idea who they are,  or what their about....... aside from the wishes you wish they were., you pretend to think you will have something in common with someone with whom you have no idea who they are.

that's like getting a cab fair,  going to the address you "think" you should for that fair,  but it's a competitors garage

 

"universal (i don't know what) intelligence" yeah,  that makes a whole lot of 'common sense'

if you "earned it",  then what's the bar for everyone else so when they will also know when they crossed the "just enough line"?

if you can do it,  so can others,  but the "bar" has to be equal for everyone,  ortherwise it's only subjective to the person,  and not to the qualifying standard you are claiming it is ("common sense")

how much common sense?   the aliens can't score you a $1000 check "common sense",  or you have a ways to go ?

plus, you can't even define "universal intelligence"  yourself, and how one standard is applicable to every human being equally thruought all of history. 

   i know what i need to do now,  i need to turn the tables around and BOMB YOU in your own blogs.     

you know,  take you to the cleaners in your blogs night and day when you post something i don't agree with,  just to be a pest and wreak havoc.

can you imagine me reminding you day and night about the fact that your aliens can't collect $1000 or save 20,000 children a day?

that's what your heinous does in here. 

let me pray about it,  and i will get back to you Green laugh

joker17

joker17

Todd's avatarTodd

@Joker:  When you say, "I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic," you might as well call yourself atheist.  God won't see a distinction when the day comes.

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

@Joker:  When you say, "I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic," you might as well call yourself atheist.  God won't see a distinction when the day comes.

There may be a god out there that sees the difference. Maybe the type of god that gives out a brain with doubt and free will. There is a chance.

"You feeling lucky today punk?" - Dirty Harry

Religion and lottery - amazing how many similarities.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on Jun 8, 2011

There may be a god out there that sees the difference. Maybe the type of god that gives out a brain with doubt and free will. There is a chance.

"You feeling lucky today punk?" - Dirty Harry

Religion and lottery - amazing how many similarities.

Are you saying you don't like the lottery?  You're all over the map.

Don't worry, you don't need to defend Joker.  He will undoubtedly post another 10 paragraph reason why I'm wrong.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

@Joker:  When you say, "I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic," you might as well call yourself atheist.  God won't see a distinction when the day comes.

And you know that for sure?

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

Are you saying you don't like the lottery?  You're all over the map.

Don't worry, you don't need to defend Joker.  He will undoubtedly post another 10 paragraph reason why I'm wrong.

Have no idea how you inferred I do not like the lottery.

All over the map? No, just more open minded than most. I see as many possibilities as there are combinations in a 6/49 game.

I defend no one, including Joker.

Todd, you work in mysterious ways. You close the "praying for a lottery win" thread but add "fuel to the fire" in this thread. Go figure!

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

@Joker:  When you say, "I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic," you might as well call yourself atheist.  God won't see a distinction when the day comes.

Whose God ?

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joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

Whose God ?

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My God that's right ....MY God....., and If you don't assimilate, you're doomed for eternity. And If you don't like it, too bad! See how reasonable that sounds?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

Whose God ?

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How dare you question REALITY?

What do you mean by "Whose God" ?

Isn't it obvious?

It says so in this book, so it must mean it's true.....DUH!

get with the program jimmmy4164...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on Jun 8, 2011

Have no idea how you inferred I do not like the lottery.

All over the map? No, just more open minded than most. I see as many possibilities as there are combinations in a 6/49 game.

I defend no one, including Joker.

Todd, you work in mysterious ways. You close the "praying for a lottery win" thread but add "fuel to the fire" in this thread. Go figure!

Wow, you still wanna call the shots, don'tcha?

Joker's drunk right now so I'll cut him some slack for talking his nonsense but I'd love to introduce you and Nancy to a Tennessee smackdown someday, you disrespectful little punk.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 8, 2011

My God that's right ....MY God....., and If you don't assimilate, you're doomed for eternity. And If you don't like it, too bad! See how reasonable that sounds?

I think it's healthy for children to learn the truth about Santa Claus as soon as they can understand it.  I also think that learning how to calculate the Expected Value of a lottery ticket is a valuable skill.  However, most cultures have evolved some explanation for existence that many people adopt as their world view and rely on for comfort, and often use as a reason to continue living.  For this reason, I get uneasy in public forums such as this when I realize that if I'm successful in exposing inconsistencies or fallacies in a belief system, I could cause someone to lose some of their stability through doubt.  For this reason, I prefer to point people to books or articles when they appear to have an interest in exploring other explanations for the world they see around them.

There is a wealth of information for those interested at...

http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_Are/About_Humanism

By the way, if you look around at this site, you will discover that there really is a difference between a deist and an atheist, and that not all humanists are atheists.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 8, 2011

Wow, you still wanna call the shots, don'tcha?

Joker's drunk right now so I'll cut him some slack for talking his nonsense but I'd love to introduce you and Nancy to a Tennessee smackdown someday, you disrespectful little punk.

Could you please explain these "respect" admonitions to Mario and "Nancy?"

Who is being disrespected?

Mario38

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

Could you please explain these "respect" admonitions to Mario and "Nancy?"

Who is being disrespected?

That's funny jimmy. You are looking for logic in all the wrong places.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 8, 2011

Could you please explain these "respect" admonitions to Mario and "Nancy?"

Who is being disrespected?

I won't be baited by you Nancy, you sniveling little effeminate twit.

You're here to preach and troll and your partner, mario the midget, is just here to cause strife cuz he got called out on his pool scam before he could fool anybody and now he's mad at the world and wants to get even.

You're both an easy read, now run along.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Mario38 on Jun 8, 2011

That's funny jimmy. You are looking for logic in all the wrong places.

I knooowww!  But up to this point I haven't been able to find a rehab center that can help me.  Unhappy

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

I won't be baited by you Nancy, you sniveling little effeminate twit.

You're here to preach and troll and your partner, mario the midget, is just here to cause strife cuz he got called out on his pool scam before he could fool anybody and now he's mad at the world and wants to get even.

You're both an easy read, now run along.

Well, that's a new one.  Someone makes accusations of disrespect but when they're asked who is being disrespected, they somehow feel baited.  Hmmm.  Mario is right; this really isn't a place to look for logic.

BTW, is your 1st sentence above designed to elicit anger, fear, loathing, hurt feelings, or a combination of all of these?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 9, 2011

Well, that's a new one.  Someone makes accusations of disrespect but when they're asked who is being disrespected, they somehow feel baited.  Hmmm.  Mario is right; this really isn't a place to look for logic.

BTW, is your 1st sentence above designed to elicit anger, fear, loathing, hurt feelings, or a combination of all of these?

The first sentence wasn't designed to elicit anything, Nancy. Just consider it an illustrative salutation. And if the shoe fits... well, you know...

You disrespect anybody who disagrees with you so there's no need to go into specifics.

I bet you never do it man to man, face to face though. The little clown mario either.

BTW, why don't you two get a room?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Like your new avatar, Nancy.

Is that you in drag?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 8, 2011

My God that's right ....MY God....., and If you don't assimilate, you're doomed for eternity. And If you don't like it, too bad! See how reasonable that sounds?

when jimmy asked "whose God"?   to todd,  and you decided to ride his skirt, ,  is there a reason why you didn't belly up to the bar and answer ....."why my undeniable truth in my blogs,  that's who"?

you sure have minimized yourself down from "undeniable" to "stage fright".

since you insist on running around the hall with your intellectual schizophrenia for the night,  you should have answered like this ...

......that guy that is running the $1000 challenge on his website,  the person in history that he features as a challenge to,  until someone steps up and takes the $1000,  that guy is the leader in the "who is god" lottery sweepstakes.

i still think it's funny that a guy like you (that is never short of windage),  when he gets his cage rattled by someone that can actually counter your offerings,  you always come back with a counter to the counter, and yet you said squat.

you were silent,  once i made the notation that your "aliens" haven't alleviated any part of this worlds suffering,  including your '20,000 children a day'  concern.

instead of addressing a bold claim that you made......you run the other direction

 now thats what i call "undeniable"

remember,  people with an intolerable amount of intellect far above yours still can't take that $1000 away from that guy.

and that makes Jesus Christ (as of now)  the king above all kings.

'logical"  means you do comparison shopping,  but you pick the one that rises to the top,  not the one that fills your "wish list" of what you would like God to be.

that's the farthest thing from logic

that's actually how people pick thier 'god' ......"i like this,  i don't like that.  ok,  now THAT'S a god i can live with,  i'll pick him" 

truth is, God is who He revealed Himself to be thru consistentcy and power throughout all of history.

  you pick Him based solely on who He said He is,  and adjust to that,  whether or not you intially like all 'aspects' of what you think are inequities about him.

the "20,000 children a day" is good example of a perceived initial 'inequity',  but over time thru trust, God reveals the "why's" of His decision making,  and issues that you had prior are not issues you cannot handle intellectually any longer.

they become more clear

the idea that any person in history can manufacture their own version of God,  die,  and then face whoever it is that is God,  and demand that they be square with Him...... is out of their mind 

only people abherrant TO standards at all cost,  have an aversion to standards,  at all costs. 

people that employ seeking type wisdom accept the fact of inevitable standards,  and they are willing to adjust when they are able to  recognize something attributable,  and therein lies the only description of a person that finds the "god' that rises to the top.

everyone else stumbles over their supposed reasoning on the way to excusing away "standards".

joker cries "foul" because there are standards for an eternal address.  as there should be.

joker however does not advocate a world with no standards,  where someone can break in his house and steal his guitar and beer,  and not go to jail.

joker would be  PISSED if someone did that.      but hey,  "standards are unfair", right?

whoever God is,  one things for certain,  He will have standards,  and your standing with Him will be based on your adjustment to them

Dee88's avatarDee88

Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Jun 3, 2011

Hi dallascowboyfan!

Love your post and I agree!

I know this story is written from the point of this young man but what if his mother had been praying to God that her son would change his ways of thinking?....

God makes it very clear that blessing fall on the just and the unjust (Matt 5:45) and He is Sovereign and His thoughts are not our thoughts nor are His ways our ways.....(Isaiah 55)

Which reminds me...someone mentioned why would God bless this situation when there are starving children?

God does care about starving children....

I feel that when you see those commercial of children suffering and you want to scream at God....just know that the fact that you are "watching" that commercial is God screaming at you to do something about it!!!!!

God has given us (human beings) the power and ability to fix it.....

If I can spend $1 on a lottery ticket for every drawing....I can come up with $38 bucks a month to send to my sponsor child in Ethiopia so that she can have 3 meals a day and her village can have medicine to fight HIV.

(I am not saying that everyone reading this should do that...just trying to make a point that God has done His part by giving us life....we can do our part to make it better...esp for someone else).

Starving children is not the result of a distant God....IT IS NOT HIS FAULT....It is the result of humanity's corruption, greed and lack of compassion......and you don't have to wait to win the lottery to make a difference.

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts neither are your ways My ways said the Lord.  As the heavens are higher than the earth so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:7-9)

You hit the nail on the head..perfecttiming.....Amen....Thumbs Up...Everyone wants to blame God when things go bad or the way things are going in this world but don't see the bigger picture he painted...from all these comments..I haven't really seen any that just talk about how good God is and the good things God has done in people's life...it's always...why did God do this and that  all negativilty about him not anything postive has been said about him...I have had good and bad things happen in my life...but I have accepted it cause it is God's plan...he has a plan for all of us...if he put you in it he will bring you through it...and I have learned to accept this life and all that it has in store for me being bad or good...cause I have a strong faith in my God....and Savior......Amen....

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jun 9, 2011

You hit the nail on the head..perfecttiming.....Amen....Thumbs Up...Everyone wants to blame God when things go bad or the way things are going in this world but don't see the bigger picture he painted...from all these comments..I haven't really seen any that just talk about how good God is and the good things God has done in people's life...it's always...why did God do this and that  all negativilty about him not anything postive has been said about him...I have had good and bad things happen in my life...but I have accepted it cause it is God's plan...he has a plan for all of us...if he put you in it he will bring you through it...and I have learned to accept this life and all that it has in store for me being bad or good...cause I have a strong faith in my God....and Savior......Amen....

Like Jimmy said earlier, wich God are you talking about?

There are thousands to choose from.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 9, 2011

when jimmy asked "whose God"?   to todd,  and you decided to ride his skirt, ,  is there a reason why you didn't belly up to the bar and answer ....."why my undeniable truth in my blogs,  that's who"?

you sure have minimized yourself down from "undeniable" to "stage fright".

since you insist on running around the hall with your intellectual schizophrenia for the night,  you should have answered like this ...

......that guy that is running the $1000 challenge on his website,  the person in history that he features as a challenge to,  until someone steps up and takes the $1000,  that guy is the leader in the "who is god" lottery sweepstakes.

i still think it's funny that a guy like you (that is never short of windage),  when he gets his cage rattled by someone that can actually counter your offerings,  you always come back with a counter to the counter, and yet you said squat.

you were silent,  once i made the notation that your "aliens" haven't alleviated any part of this worlds suffering,  including your '20,000 children a day'  concern.

instead of addressing a bold claim that you made......you run the other direction

 now thats what i call "undeniable"

remember,  people with an intolerable amount of intellect far above yours still can't take that $1000 away from that guy.

and that makes Jesus Christ (as of now)  the king above all kings.

'logical"  means you do comparison shopping,  but you pick the one that rises to the top,  not the one that fills your "wish list" of what you would like God to be.

that's the farthest thing from logic

that's actually how people pick thier 'god' ......"i like this,  i don't like that.  ok,  now THAT'S a god i can live with,  i'll pick him" 

truth is, God is who He revealed Himself to be thru consistentcy and power throughout all of history.

  you pick Him based solely on who He said He is,  and adjust to that,  whether or not you intially like all 'aspects' of what you think are inequities about him.

the "20,000 children a day" is good example of a perceived initial 'inequity',  but over time thru trust, God reveals the "why's" of His decision making,  and issues that you had prior are not issues you cannot handle intellectually any longer.

they become more clear

the idea that any person in history can manufacture their own version of God,  die,  and then face whoever it is that is God,  and demand that they be square with Him...... is out of their mind 

only people abherrant TO standards at all cost,  have an aversion to standards,  at all costs. 

people that employ seeking type wisdom accept the fact of inevitable standards,  and they are willing to adjust when they are able to  recognize something attributable,  and therein lies the only description of a person that finds the "god' that rises to the top.

everyone else stumbles over their supposed reasoning on the way to excusing away "standards".

joker cries "foul" because there are standards for an eternal address.  as there should be.

joker however does not advocate a world with no standards,  where someone can break in his house and steal his guitar and beer,  and not go to jail.

joker would be  PISSED if someone did that.      but hey,  "standards are unfair", right?

whoever God is,  one things for certain,  He will have standards,  and your standing with Him will be based on your adjustment to them

the idea that any person in history can manufacture their own version of God,  die,  and then face whoever it is that is God,  and demand that they be square with Him...... is out of their mind

 

Excuse me? Did you just tell me I'm out of my mind?

OMG, that has to be a joke right?

Ok, so let me get this straight. You're not out of your mind because you decide to believe a book out of thousands of other books who all claim to be correct, but that's normal?

YOU are the one who is manufacturing that nonsense, not me.

What nerve, to call me crazy, coming from a delusional character like you..............Crazy

Please Vision....get some help...please.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 8, 2011

Wow, you still wanna call the shots, don'tcha?

Joker's drunk right now so I'll cut him some slack for talking his nonsense but I'd love to introduce you and Nancy to a Tennessee smackdown someday, you disrespectful little punk.

If I was sober I would've witten what I did.

There are no absolutes in this life, except for death. No one and I mean no one knows for sure whether any of the religions are true. Good feelings in their chest and a tingling up the spine is not good enough for me.

People think they know how God feels and what he's thinking, how he would deal with this and that. It's amazing how they know so much about him....simply amazing.

Brilliant minds have been debating this for eons, yet Joe Schmo from Nantucket knows the answer. He knows who the right God is, how he behaves, what his intentions are, and his favorite drink.

It's like If I said I knew for sure what the next six numbers are in the JP game, and never be able to prove it. I not only make that proclomation once, but everyday of my life, never being able to prove it. I think there's a word for that. It's called DELUSIONAL....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

If I was sober I would've witten what I did.

There are no absolutes in this life, except for death. No one and I mean no one knows for sure whether any of the religions are true. Good feelings in their chest and a tingling up the spine is not good enough for me.

People think they know how God feels and what he's thinking, how he would deal with this and that. It's amazing how they know so much about him....simply amazing.

Brilliant minds have been debating this for eons, yet Joe Schmo from Nantucket knows the answer. He knows who the right God is, how he behaves, what his intentions are, and his favorite drink.

It's like If I said I knew for sure what the next six numbers are in the JP game, and never be able to prove it. I not only make that proclomation once, but everyday of my life, never being able to prove it. I think there's a word for that. It's called DELUSIONAL....

"There are no absolutes in this life, except for death. No one and I mean no one knows for sure whether any of the religions are true".

 there most certainly are.

just because you don't want to know,  doesn't exclude the fact that millions of people know.

if there is a God,  He has standards,  and the only way He could have standards is that we are accountable to those standards,  if He has made Himself known.

the idea that God "cannot be known' is a 1,000 times more ludicrous if there is a God.

millions of people know,   your just mad about the 'standards' portion because you want to make up your own rules and live by those.

at least be man enough to admit it,  you have a problem with authority,  and you want to be your own 'god'.

that's fine,  just add yourself to that long list you posted

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

the idea that any person in history can manufacture their own version of God,  die,  and then face whoever it is that is God,  and demand that they be square with Him...... is out of their mind

 

Excuse me? Did you just tell me I'm out of my mind?

OMG, that has to be a joke right?

Ok, so let me get this straight. You're not out of your mind because you decide to believe a book out of thousands of other books who all claim to be correct, but that's normal?

YOU are the one who is manufacturing that nonsense, not me.

What nerve, to call me crazy, coming from a delusional character like you..............Crazy

Please Vision....get some help...please.

"Excuse me? Did you just tell me I'm out of my mind"? 

by running definition you are out of your mind, yes.

you think you can mock God day in and day out,  and still think that someday when you die you will be 'accepted' by him.

you talk trash about someone,  and your delusional enough to think the person is going to be cool with you.   there isn't a relationship on the planet that survives that kind of onslaught over time,  and most certainly God won't accept that as "relationship material".

"Ok, so let me get this straight. You're not out of your mind because you decide to believe a book out of thousands of other books who all claim to be correct, but that's normal"?

 i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.   

in normal to trust something that's proven to be trustworthy,  and because you can measure the trustworthy factor thru the microscope of fulfilled prophecy,  then yes,  it stands alone  in history above all the other "books"

100% accurcy SCREAMS "trustworthy"

"YOU are the one who is manufacturing that nonsense, not me".

 au contraire. 

you made the same EXACT bold claim as i did with your alien vids.

you said it was "undeniable proof",  and yet you are now deftly silent on the matter.

you accuse me of nonsense,  yet between the 2 of us there is ZERO 'proof" of alien existence thru out history,  yet when measured against biblical history on any level (science, archaeology, historical documentation of people who actually LIVED, fulfilled prophecy, documentation OF the documentation "documented" by people who were antagonistic toward the bibles "history", etc, etc etc),  and yet you think i am the one that's nuts.

i demonstrated that between the 2 of us you had nothing to base your belief on,  when i noted your 'aliens" can't save the 20,000 children starving in the world .

i base my belief in proven history,  so yeah,  the delusion belongs as your definition

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

If I was sober I would've witten what I did.

There are no absolutes in this life, except for death. No one and I mean no one knows for sure whether any of the religions are true. Good feelings in their chest and a tingling up the spine is not good enough for me.

People think they know how God feels and what he's thinking, how he would deal with this and that. It's amazing how they know so much about him....simply amazing.

Brilliant minds have been debating this for eons, yet Joe Schmo from Nantucket knows the answer. He knows who the right God is, how he behaves, what his intentions are, and his favorite drink.

It's like If I said I knew for sure what the next six numbers are in the JP game, and never be able to prove it. I not only make that proclomation once, but everyday of my life, never being able to prove it. I think there's a word for that. It's called DELUSIONAL....

"No one and I mean no one knows for sure..."

And how do you know that?

You don't know that any more than Joe Schmo from Nantucket.

Let me tell you something, Joker, there are people who know.

People that have had experiences that they have never discussed with anyone and never will. Because once you've had the experience you would never trivialize it by putting it up for public scrutiny as if it needed to be verified or validated by people who could never even fathom the wonder and awe of it. Because there are people like you and Nancy and the little clown mario who appoint themselves the authorities on anything supernatural based purely on your personal experience of it. Which is none.

If the three of you haven't personally experienced anything of a divine supernatural nature, then it just couldn't happen. Your minds are closed to it. How conceited is that? 

I think the crux of the situation here though is the preaching bent of your little triumvirate with the atheist/agnostic/humanist agenda. You mock the phony tv preachers but you seem to be on a mission to convert people to your way of thinking more than any phony evangelist ever known. Christians here have to spend time everyday defending their beliefs because of attacks and ridicule from the three of you for something as benign as saying "thank God".

How about we all just live and let live?

You guys keep watching the sky for spacemen and everybody else does whatever they want without being harassed.

Or would that suggestion be too delusional to try?

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Like Jimmy said earlier, wich God are you talking about?

There are thousands to choose from.

Spiritual laws never change, regardless of what "in the name of" you put them with.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on Jun 9, 2011

Spiritual laws never change, regardless of what "in the name of" you put them with.

I don't know about that one Tenaj. The Bible has a very thin spectrum for folks who enter heaven and those who don't based on rules and regulations. If you don't believe Christ was your savior, you're doomed.

I don't adhere to any of the rules because there are literally thousands of religions that also have rules. They can't all be correct.

I'm spiritual but not brainwashed.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

"No one and I mean no one knows for sure..."

And how do you know that?

You don't know that any more than Joe Schmo from Nantucket.

Let me tell you something, Joker, there are people who know.

People that have had experiences that they have never discussed with anyone and never will. Because once you've had the experience you would never trivialize it by putting it up for public scrutiny as if it needed to be verified or validated by people who could never even fathom the wonder and awe of it. Because there are people like you and Nancy and the little clown mario who appoint themselves the authorities on anything supernatural based purely on your personal experience of it. Which is none.

If the three of you haven't personally experienced anything of a divine supernatural nature, then it just couldn't happen. Your minds are closed to it. How conceited is that? 

I think the crux of the situation here though is the preaching bent of your little triumvirate with the atheist/agnostic/humanist agenda. You mock the phony tv preachers but you seem to be on a mission to convert people to your way of thinking more than any phony evangelist ever known. Christians here have to spend time everyday defending their beliefs because of attacks and ridicule from the three of you for something as benign as saying "thank God".

How about we all just live and let live?

You guys keep watching the sky for spacemen and everybody else does whatever they want without being harassed.

Or would that suggestion be too delusional to try?

They've done tests where the person's brain was exposed while the patient was a wake and they touched certain areas of the brain. The person had many visions and felt a presence at times. Many had religous experiences as well.

No One knows. Those experiences could be from any number of sources. The brain is a powerful machine that can do many many things. If not for the brain, everything would be nothing but a soup of nonsensical particles and waves. It's the brain which makes this world a reality, and I say reality very lightly. Reality is as good as the perceiver of the information. And even If they did have a supernatural experience that had nothing to do with the brain, it doesn't mean one particular religion is correct. It may very well be a spiritual experience, but doesn't prove who's God is correct and who's isn't.

I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes other than ones that have been implanted into religous folks minds as the TRUTH. Everyone has truths. You call it attacks, I call it education.

I could live and let live, but If someone has the freedom to interject their religous beliefs in a thread as truth, I also have that right to disagree.

Now that doesn't seem delusional does it?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 9, 2011

"Excuse me? Did you just tell me I'm out of my mind"? 

by running definition you are out of your mind, yes.

you think you can mock God day in and day out,  and still think that someday when you die you will be 'accepted' by him.

you talk trash about someone,  and your delusional enough to think the person is going to be cool with you.   there isn't a relationship on the planet that survives that kind of onslaught over time,  and most certainly God won't accept that as "relationship material".

"Ok, so let me get this straight. You're not out of your mind because you decide to believe a book out of thousands of other books who all claim to be correct, but that's normal"?

 i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.   

in normal to trust something that's proven to be trustworthy,  and because you can measure the trustworthy factor thru the microscope of fulfilled prophecy,  then yes,  it stands alone  in history above all the other "books"

100% accurcy SCREAMS "trustworthy"

"YOU are the one who is manufacturing that nonsense, not me".

 au contraire. 

you made the same EXACT bold claim as i did with your alien vids.

you said it was "undeniable proof",  and yet you are now deftly silent on the matter.

you accuse me of nonsense,  yet between the 2 of us there is ZERO 'proof" of alien existence thru out history,  yet when measured against biblical history on any level (science, archaeology, historical documentation of people who actually LIVED, fulfilled prophecy, documentation OF the documentation "documented" by people who were antagonistic toward the bibles "history", etc, etc etc),  and yet you think i am the one that's nuts.

i demonstrated that between the 2 of us you had nothing to base your belief on,  when i noted your 'aliens" can't save the 20,000 children starving in the world .

i base my belief in proven history,  so yeah,  the delusion belongs as your definition

i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.

 

Now you know why I try to not to respond to your posts as much as possible. You write as If you know for sure. Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional.

I can't have a discussion when the term "Open Mind" is out of the question.

One thing I do know for sure is that you are past the point of no return.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

They've done tests where the person's brain was exposed while the patient was a wake and they touched certain areas of the brain. The person had many visions and felt a presence at times. Many had religous experiences as well.

No One knows. Those experiences could be from any number of sources. The brain is a powerful machine that can do many many things. If not for the brain, everything would be nothing but a soup of nonsensical particles and waves. It's the brain which makes this world a reality, and I say reality very lightly. Reality is as good as the perceiver of the information. And even If they did have a supernatural experience that had nothing to do with the brain, it doesn't mean one particular religion is correct. It may very well be a spiritual experience, but doesn't prove who's God is correct and who's isn't.

I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes other than ones that have been implanted into religous folks minds as the TRUTH. Everyone has truths. You call it attacks, I call it education.

I could live and let live, but If someone has the freedom to interject their religous beliefs in a thread as truth, I also have that right to disagree.

Now that doesn't seem delusional does it?

I concur that you have the right to disagree.

I just think it's incredibly poor form to attack someone for saying "I prayed for a win" or "thank God I won". Those people aren't trying to proselytise or convert you or anyone else to their beliefs. They're just expressing their beliefs in conversation.

 

"I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes...  ...I call it education."

 

Do you hear yourself?  Somebody says "Thank God" and you feel the need to show them "alternative thought processes"? To "educate" them? How does somebody saying "Thank God" become "interjecting their religious beliefs in a thread as truth"?  Who's exhibiting signs of being delusional here? 

Is this the Lottery Post or a re-education camp?

 

P.S. Check out your buddy Nancy's new avatar.  I told him to run along and he took a walk on the wild side!  I knew it!  LOL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

I concur that you have the right to disagree.

I just think it's incredibly poor form to attack someone for saying "I prayed for a win" or "thank God I won". Those people aren't trying to proselytise or convert you or anyone else to their beliefs. They're just expressing their beliefs in conversation.

 

"I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes...  ...I call it education."

 

Do you hear yourself?  Somebody says "Thank God" and you feel the need to show them "alternative thought processes"? To "educate" them? How does somebody saying "Thank God" become "interjecting their religious beliefs in a thread as truth"?  Who's exhibiting signs of being delusional here? 

Is this the Lottery Post or a re-education camp?

 

P.S. Check out your buddy Nancy's new avatar.  I told him to run along and he took a walk on the wild side!  I knew it!  LOL

I've never attacked anyone for saying thank God. In one instance, when that LP member thanked God for her wins, I responded to another poster in that thread who said something to the fact that it was intervention or something like that, I forget. I responded simply by saying are you sure it was? It was a simple question. It could easily have been a plain old simple win. There were child molesters who've won millions. Did God intervene then also?....

In this thread, the person who's mother won a million because of his mock prayer, and is now a believer, made me want to comment about it. It's a thread. A thread is comprised of disucussions. Do I have to agree with everything people say in order to be part of the discussion?

You call it attack, I call it education. You can take it away knowing you now know something you never knew before, or you can say heck with Joker17's BS, I'll believe what I want to.

How do you there aren't some people who read all that stuff about how God did this and that for them, and angels saved him from getting hit by a car and so forth, and NOT get offended? I'm NOT one of those folks, but I'm sure there are some that don't speak their mind about it in public forums due to ridicule.Being offended works both ways....

Do you actually believe that Vision would not take advantage of the opportunity to come a knocking in a thread If i mentioned that THOR contributed to this and that. Believe me he and other Bible thumpers here would jump on that chance.

jimmy4164

I think it's interesting how rdgrnr seems to know the size and demeanor of so many anonymous posters.  If I were looking for him at a "smackdown" I wouldn't know whether to expect a Pee-Wee Herman or a Dirty Harry.  Maybe he has some special powers that he hasn't told us about.

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

I've never attacked anyone for saying thank God. In one instance, when that LP member thanked God for her wins, I responded to another poster in that thread who said something to the fact that it was intervention or something like that, I forget. I responded simply by saying are you sure it was? It was a simple question. It could easily have been a plain old simple win. There were child molesters who've won millions. Did God intervene then also?....

In this thread, the person who's mother won a million because of his mock prayer, and is now a believer, made me want to comment about it. It's a thread. A thread is comprised of disucussions. Do I have to agree with everything people say in order to be part of the discussion?

You call it attack, I call it education. You can take it away knowing you now know something you never knew before, or you can say heck with Joker17's BS, I'll believe what I want to.

How do you there aren't some people who read all that stuff about how God did this and that for them, and angels saved him from getting hit by a car and so forth, and NOT get offended? I'm NOT one of those folks, but I'm sure there are some that don't speak their mind about it in public forums due to ridicule.Being offended works both ways....

Do you actually believe that Vision would not take advantage of the opportunity to come a knocking in a thread If i mentioned that THOR contributed to this and that. Believe me he and other Bible thumpers here would jump on that chance.

You want to argue about religion. You want to argue about faith and belief and all related tradition. You want to tell people what not to believe because you don't believe what they believe. You want them to believe what you believe about little green men or whatever it is.

I consider what people believe to be their own business.

I don't want to argue about anything.

But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say.

Or should I say the Religious Police?

 

PS. How do you know the saints didn't help her win the $600.00?

Because it's never happened to you? Because it's not logical? Because they would have to save 20,000 dying kids first?

Are those the standards that you have established that have to be met in order for that to be truth? 

Or just because you said so?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

because my beliefs are strong,  and anchored into the cement of accurately replicated history,  i too could search for all the opportunities i could find to spray the threads with my "beliefs".

i don't.

and the reason i don't sure has nothing to do with having a comittment issue,  but because i employ respect.

LP is a place where a guy like me could have more "opportunities" than i could possibly fulfill.

i don't.

it's an ingenuous ploy by joker to pass off what he does as "opinion" or "education".

no one has the ability to threaten intellectually what i believe,  so why would i try and suppress freedom of opinion / speech?

i don't

i don't search it out, but when someone wipes their feet on my welcome mat and rings my doorbell,  i answer the door.

told joker more times than i have fingers and toes he has every right to an opposing opinion in these threads,  so long as he acts respectful,  and that dude crosses that intersection willfully without conscience.

he hunts,   and then he jumps. 

  a sarcastic disrespectful "reply" doesn't come with a nice guy tag.

it's behavior of a trolling trouble maker,  and nothing more.

joker is upside down about this in his life,  and takes his angst out on LP boards.

when it gets to that level,  then i will step in.

be respectful about others beliefs,  but if you insist on being disrespectful specifically to what i and a whole bunch of others believe in here,  then you know me,  i am going to take you to the intellectual cleaners to demonstrate your true intent......that you are a trolling trouble maker that can't handle what you dish out.

i have far more in the bag on debating these issues in life,  joker,  and you sure have provided me with enough "reason" to play the same game with you in your blogs.

do you see me there ?

that's how a person of respect acts.

cut the act your in here to "edumacate"

your in it to cause trouble

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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 9, 2011

I think it's interesting how rdgrnr seems to know the size and demeanor of so many anonymous posters.  If I were looking for him at a "smackdown" I wouldn't know whether to expect a Pee-Wee Herman or a Dirty Harry.  Maybe he has some special powers that he hasn't told us about.

Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible

Don't get all frazzled and go into another nervous-nellie fluster-fit now and start changing your avatar and hairstyles again and all like that, Nancy. Next thing you know you'll be flailing all about and break a nail.

Try to stay calm. Go to your Happy Place (and I don't mean the Men's Room at the Greyhound Station).

There is no need for you to worry your delicate little self about smackdowns or the size or demeanor of other posters Nancy, we're all friends here.

And I have no special powers outside of occasionally being able to smell a charlatan from a mile away.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

You want to argue about religion. You want to argue about faith and belief and all related tradition. You want to tell people what not to believe because you don't believe what they believe. You want them to believe what you believe about little green men or whatever it is.

I consider what people believe to be their own business.

I don't want to argue about anything.

But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say.

Or should I say the Religious Police?

 

PS. How do you know the saints didn't help her win the $600.00?

Because it's never happened to you? Because it's not logical? Because they would have to save 20,000 dying kids first?

Are those the standards that you have established that have to be met in order for that to be truth? 

Or just because you said so?

Why is it when I write what I feel it's an argument? When you write your beliefs, it's just a statement.

If you go back and read that thread, I never told her anything except congrats on your win. Like I said before, I replied to another poster in that thread with a question, and then you and Vision come out of the woodwork and accuse me of attcking Christianity. Let me tell you buddy, I have the right to say anything I want to, and If you or anyone else feels bad, too bad because I have that right. Like I said before, either side can be offended.

And yes, it makes no sense to me that a Saint is going to help someone in need, when Saints don't give 2 hoots about 20,000 starving, hurting kids that croak every single DAY !

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally happy that she won that money because she obviously sounded like she needed it. You make me sound like some heartless <snip>. I'm only saying that because to me, it makes no sense considering the priorities of the Saints, God, angels, or whatever entity is out there choosing one or two people to win money, or a football team to win over 20,000 kids.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Why is it when I write what I feel it's an argument? When you write your beliefs, it's just a statement.

If you go back and read that thread, I never told her anything except congrats on your win. Like I said before, I replied to another poster in that thread with a question, and then you and Vision come out of the woodwork and accuse me of attcking Christianity. Let me tell you buddy, I have the right to say anything I want to, and If you or anyone else feels bad, too bad because I have that right. Like I said before, either side can be offended.

And yes, it makes no sense to me that a Saint is going to help someone in need, when Saints don't give 2 hoots about 20,000 starving, hurting kids that croak every single DAY !

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally happy that she won that money because she obviously sounded like she needed it. You make me sound like some heartless <snip>. I'm only saying that because to me, it makes no sense considering the priorities of the Saints, God, angels, or whatever entity is out there choosing one or two people to win money, or a football team to win over 20,000 kids.

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OK, I get it, nothing can be true unless it fits within the narrow parameters designated by You.

And anything else anybody else believes is automatically wrong.

Why?

Because you said so.

I finally understand you.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

i can afford to bank my live (including my eternity) on that "book".   it's not just A book out of history measured among others,  it's the written word of God handed down thru the experiences of men that served Him.

 

Now you know why I try to not to respond to your posts as much as possible. You write as If you know for sure. Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional.

I can't have a discussion when the term "Open Mind" is out of the question.

One thing I do know for sure is that you are past the point of no return.

"Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional".

 fair enough face-value arguement,  except i do......both historical and personal.

since "history" came first,   you get the historical version first.

since it's already a document of history,  anyone has access to it in it's most original form,  so you can read texts yourself and decide AMBIVALENTLY if it is ambiguous,  or accurately personal in prophetic nature.

it is calculated that Jesus Christ fulfilled 300 (+/-) prophecies made about Him hundreds of years before He was ever born.

that's "proof".

take away the ones that are self fulfilling,  or are ambiguous enough so that they appear to be assignable to "anyone", fine.

just include the prophecies that are recognizable by the people who wrote them who are completely 100% antagonistic TO Christ,  and still that amount of prophecies being fulfilled by one man in history spoken HUNDREDS of years before His birth,  it's a mathematical impossiibility for any other human being to parallel that feat.

"antagonistic" is your key word,  and you know someone antagonistic to something is not going to lie about something so what they are antagonistic about can GAIN credibility.

no other "god" or "religion" can match that feat or claim,  thereby eliminating all other "pretenders".

that's just the factual / historical side that points to a relationship with the only "god" that can actually answer man.

 

the part that leads to a relationship,  facts before faith,  that's were the addendum "proof" comes in .

you want hard "personal" facts.   fine.

been a believer after Christ showed Himself to me over 30 years ago.

over the course of that time,  i have made a concerted effort to attempt to walk where He tells me to walk.  i have zero problem with His authority over my life,  and that's why i have been granted a personal relationship.

within the confines of that relationship,  He has a plan for my life,  and whenever He decides it's necessary to tell me what that is,  and begins to filter out enough info so that i have the ability TO adjust to it,  and then He does.

not a gazillion times,  but the times where i needed to know for adjutments purposes,  i have always known beforehand.

before He has done something thru my life,  i have known it would happen well prior to it's fruition.

i am not 'priviledged' above anyone else,  as anyone else has the same equal opportunity as i do "to know" prior.

like anything else,  effort equals result. 

you don't want to know, and make no effort, you only end up mocking those who do know out of personal frustration.

the last particular "i know before it happens" started somewhere in aug 2008.

after a period of time (because my heart is always primed and "looking"),  i recognized God was doing something to get my attention about a particular subject matter.  yet,  i know the value of patience and making sure,  before i pursue something,  so i don't waste my time (and especially His).

just prior to aug,  i noticed that everywhere i went,  on everyday,  there would always be something that came my way concerning "france, french or paris".   everyday i started to notice it occuring beyond my manipulation / control.

so....i adjusted to it,  by agreeing that whatever that amounted to,  i would adjust to it whenever He told me what He was doing it for.

the key is my willingness to adjust while not knowing what He was preparing me for,  or going to ask me to do.

i am willing period,  and that's why i CAN be entrusted to know beforehand.

fast forward to this very conversation,  and there has never been one day since aug of 2008 where God has "failed" to bring something and put it in front of me concerning "france"

not one day

it's as obscure as watching tv and turning the channel and for a split second between channels, and there is a momentary flash of the eiffel tower,  an image i would have missed had i not been there at that split second by devine appt. 

or someone in a market starts speaking french around me,  or my student completely out of the blue who i have never met before, and who has no idea about my "france" proclivity.....suddenly blurts out they just got back from paris on spring break.

you could scream 'coincedence' ,  and you would be right..... if i can manufacture episodes myself, or it hasn't happened to me consequitively everyday without missing one day.

that is an impossibility without God orchaestrating it behind the scenes of my life.

nearly 3 years everyday.

go ahead,  try a self governed experiment to prove to yourself  that's not from God.

pick a subject matter that you like.   maybe even something your keenly aware of.   go ahead and pick the most common thing you can think of,  and see how many "days" you go in a row with that occuring.

it has to occur without you looking for it,  or occuring because you manufactured an event to "make it happen"

it has to occur without your manipulation.

you cannot go "searching places TO find it",  it has to occur outside of your effort just in the daily course of your life.

you would be off the scale if 'it" happened for  a week.

mine is going uncontested for nearly 3 years.

that's what grants me the right to speak with boldness when i state "i know".

the only reason i know,  is because i wanted to know,  not because all my efforts toward this subject where spent because i only wanted it to "not be true",   so i didn't have to place my self under the authoratative umbrella that God alone holds up.

don't believe me?   fine. 

i PMed todd about my "occurances" way back in july of 2009.

nothing has changed since that PM to todd.   ask him if i discussed it with him.

i still have the PM.    you asked me for "proof" God exists,  you want to see it?

you won't even be man enough to ask todd if that's true,  because you are afraid it's true

ASK HIM

of course you Won't,  because your not interested in any proof,  because no amount of proof is enough to a man for whom thier soul mission in life is to excuse away God,  and not to observe "proof" as it unfolds.

go into the mathematical forum and have someone calculate the odds of one subject matter occuring unmanipulatively in one mans life for nearly 3 years straight.

there is no 'god",  and no one really knows,  right?

now,   you are free to demonstrate it's not proof you seek,  BECAUSE YOU WON'T PUBLICALLY ASK TODD

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

OK, I get it, nothing can be true unless it fits within the narrow parameters designated by You.

And anything else anybody else believes is automatically wrong.

Why?

Because you said so.

I finally understand you.

I thought we already made an agreement that I'll write what I want, and you write what you want.

Aren't you just as guilty telling me what I can write and can't write?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 9, 2011

"Anyone who truly believes they are right, and all the others are wrong, and has no proof to back it up, is delusional".

 fair enough face-value arguement,  except i do......both historical and personal.

since "history" came first,   you get the historical version first.

since it's already a document of history,  anyone has access to it in it's most original form,  so you can read texts yourself and decide AMBIVALENTLY if it is ambiguous,  or accurately personal in prophetic nature.

it is calculated that Jesus Christ fulfilled 300 (+/-) prophecies made about Him hundreds of years before He was ever born.

that's "proof".

take away the ones that are self fulfilling,  or are ambiguous enough so that they appear to be assignable to "anyone", fine.

just include the prophecies that are recognizable by the people who wrote them who are completely 100% antagonistic TO Christ,  and still that amount of prophecies being fulfilled by one man in history spoken HUNDREDS of years before His birth,  it's a mathematical impossiibility for any other human being to parallel that feat.

"antagonistic" is your key word,  and you know someone antagonistic to something is not going to lie about something so what they are antagonistic about can GAIN credibility.

no other "god" or "religion" can match that feat or claim,  thereby eliminating all other "pretenders".

that's just the factual / historical side that points to a relationship with the only "god" that can actually answer man.

 

the part that leads to a relationship,  facts before faith,  that's were the addendum "proof" comes in .

you want hard "personal" facts.   fine.

been a believer after Christ showed Himself to me over 30 years ago.

over the course of that time,  i have made a concerted effort to attempt to walk where He tells me to walk.  i have zero problem with His authority over my life,  and that's why i have been granted a personal relationship.

within the confines of that relationship,  He has a plan for my life,  and whenever He decides it's necessary to tell me what that is,  and begins to filter out enough info so that i have the ability TO adjust to it,  and then He does.

not a gazillion times,  but the times where i needed to know for adjutments purposes,  i have always known beforehand.

before He has done something thru my life,  i have known it would happen well prior to it's fruition.

i am not 'priviledged' above anyone else,  as anyone else has the same equal opportunity as i do "to know" prior.

like anything else,  effort equals result. 

you don't want to know, and make no effort, you only end up mocking those who do know out of personal frustration.

the last particular "i know before it happens" started somewhere in aug 2008.

after a period of time (because my heart is always primed and "looking"),  i recognized God was doing something to get my attention about a particular subject matter.  yet,  i know the value of patience and making sure,  before i pursue something,  so i don't waste my time (and especially His).

just prior to aug,  i noticed that everywhere i went,  on everyday,  there would always be something that came my way concerning "france, french or paris".   everyday i started to notice it occuring beyond my manipulation / control.

so....i adjusted to it,  by agreeing that whatever that amounted to,  i would adjust to it whenever He told me what He was doing it for.

the key is my willingness to adjust while not knowing what He was preparing me for,  or going to ask me to do.

i am willing period,  and that's why i CAN be entrusted to know beforehand.

fast forward to this very conversation,  and there has never been one day since aug of 2008 where God has "failed" to bring something and put it in front of me concerning "france"

not one day

it's as obscure as watching tv and turning the channel and for a split second between channels, and there is a momentary flash of the eiffel tower,  an image i would have missed had i not been there at that split second by devine appt. 

or someone in a market starts speaking french around me,  or my student completely out of the blue who i have never met before, and who has no idea about my "france" proclivity.....suddenly blurts out they just got back from paris on spring break.

you could scream 'coincedence' ,  and you would be right..... if i can manufacture episodes myself, or it hasn't happened to me consequitively everyday without missing one day.

that is an impossibility without God orchaestrating it behind the scenes of my life.

nearly 3 years everyday.

go ahead,  try a self governed experiment to prove to yourself  that's not from God.

pick a subject matter that you like.   maybe even something your keenly aware of.   go ahead and pick the most common thing you can think of,  and see how many "days" you go in a row with that occuring.

it has to occur without you looking for it,  or occuring because you manufactured an event to "make it happen"

it has to occur without your manipulation.

you cannot go "searching places TO find it",  it has to occur outside of your effort just in the daily course of your life.

you would be off the scale if 'it" happened for  a week.

mine is going uncontested for nearly 3 years.

that's what grants me the right to speak with boldness when i state "i know".

the only reason i know,  is because i wanted to know,  not because all my efforts toward this subject where spent because i only wanted it to "not be true",   so i didn't have to place my self under the authoratative umbrella that God alone holds up.

don't believe me?   fine. 

i PMed todd about my "occurances" way back in july of 2009.

nothing has changed since that PM to todd.   ask him if i discussed it with him.

i still have the PM.    you asked me for "proof" God exists,  you want to see it?

you won't even be man enough to ask todd if that's true,  because you are afraid it's true

ASK HIM

of course you Won't,  because your not interested in any proof,  because no amount of proof is enough to a man for whom thier soul mission in life is to excuse away God,  and not to observe "proof" as it unfolds.

go into the mathematical forum and have someone calculate the odds of one subject matter occuring unmanipulatively in one mans life for nearly 3 years straight.

there is no 'god",  and no one really knows,  right?

now,   you are free to demonstrate it's not proof you seek,  BECAUSE YOU WON'T PUBLICALLY ASK TODD

I already posted the fallacy of the 300 plus prophecies and that wasn't good enough for you. Nothing is. It's a waste of time for me....get it?

Yeah, God thinks you're special, and so do I. Maybe he wants you to move to Paris....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

I thought we already made an agreement that I'll write what I want, and you write what you want.

Aren't you just as guilty telling me what I can write and can't write?

Yes, it's all settled as I said a couple of posts back:

 

"But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say."

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

Yes, it's all settled as I said a couple of posts back:

 

"But when some lady posts about how happy she is cuz she prayed to the saints and won $600.00 and now she can pay the rent and you ridicule her for it and your puppy dog mario joins in to kick her while she's down and then Nancy piles on, well, I will say something about it.

So I guess that's how it'll remain cuz you have appointed yourself the Religious Educator here and that's your right, as you say."

Ok, deal.

Look, I'm not claiming I have all the answers because I would be just as guilty as the ones who claim they know for sure which God is the right one. But I've done a lot of research for the past 25 years. I used to believe in Christianity for a lot of reasons as a kid, well into my early 20's, but as time went by with my research, too many red flags popped up. Not just with Christianity, but with all religions. So I decided that since I know that we are made of energy, that there may be some force out there, but it wasn't religion.

Whenever I'm faced with a dilemma of any kind, not just religion, I tend to search it out any way I can. I want the truth as much as anyone else out there. One of the first HUGE red flags I stumbled upon at the early stages of my quest dealt with Christians who claim the Universe is only 6 to 10 thousand years old. That sparked my interest because I knew that some galaxies are billions of light years away, but I never put the two together until someone educated me on the contradiction. How can the universe mentioned in the Bible be only a few thousand years old, If it took light at the speed of 186,000 miles per second billions of years to reach our eyes? And from there I kept learning more and more until it became clear to me that it made no sense for me to believe the claims made by Christians. Of course i studied the general principles of other religions and found tons of contradictions also.

Science doesn't have all the answers either, but it's not supposed to. The word "Science" simply means "The study of". So when science finds something new, it discards the last findings it made and corrects itself. It's an ever morphing study.

Even science can't explain where the singularity that caused the big bang came from. The spark that set it off.  But to say it was God because of a lack of an explanation is not the answer. Maybe God did start the bang, who knows. I'm only questioning why such a God would allow so many religions and allow so many contradictions to continue going on for eons If he really wants everyone to find him. It's almost as If he's going out of his way to show he doesn't exist.

I also find it strange, like so many other strange anomolies, that the huge events of divine intervention have stopped since the Bible days, leading me to believe they never happened. I could go on and on but I'll spare you. I could make a laundry list a mile long of the contradictions.

Why do men have nipples? What was the purpose of God creating nipples? Why do we share 98% of the genes with Chimps?

The list can go much much longer...believe me....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Ok, deal.

Look, I'm not claiming I have all the answers because I would be just as guilty as the ones who claim they know for sure which God is the right one. But I've done a lot of research for the past 25 years. I used to believe in Christianity for a lot of reasons as a kid, well into my early 20's, but as time went by with my research, too many red flags popped up. Not just with Christianity, but with all religions. So I decided that since I know that we are made of energy, that there may be some force out there, but it wasn't religion.

Whenever I'm faced with a dilemma of any kind, not just religion, I tend to search it out any way I can. I want the truth as much as anyone else out there. One of the first HUGE red flags I stumbled upon at the early stages of my quest dealt with Christians who claim the Universe is only 6 to 10 thousand years old. That sparked my interest because I knew that some galaxies are billions of light years away, but I never put the two together until someone educated me on the contradiction. How can the universe mentioned in the Bible be only a few thousand years old, If it took light at the speed of 186,000 miles per second billions of years to reach our eyes? And from there I kept learning more and more until it became clear to me that it made no sense for me to believe the claims made by Christians. Of course i studied the general principles of other religions and found tons of contradictions also.

Science doesn't have all the answers either, but it's not supposed to. The word "Science" simply means "The study of". So when science finds something new, it discards the last findings it made and corrects itself. It's an ever morphing study.

Even science can't explain where the singularity that caused the big bang came from. The spark that set it off.  But to say it was God because of a lack of an explanation is not the answer. Maybe God did start the bang, who knows. I'm only questioning why such a God would allow so many religions and allow so many contradictions to continue going on for eons If he really wants everyone to find him. It's almost as If he's going out of his way to show he doesn't exist.

I also find it strange, like so many other strange anomolies, that the huge events of divine intervention have stopped since the Bible days, leading me to believe they never happened. I could go on and on but I'll spare you. I could make a laundry list a mile long of the contradictions.

Why do men have nipples? What was the purpose of God creating nipples? Why do we share 98% of the genes with Chimps?

The list can go much much longer...believe me....

I'm gonna leave the men's nipples controversy to someone with more hands-on experience with that kind of thing.

Have you seen Nancy anywhere?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Dear joker, you screamed there was "no proof" for several years, and now that I supplied you with some, you refuse to follow up on it and publically ask Todd if I never had that conversation with him back in July 09. 

This is your chance to prove to the board of claims you are making "contributions" for the right reasons.

When you create an atmosphere, live up to it.

Ask him.

You refusing TO ask him underlines your not here for the reason you say you are.

What are you afraid of, him answering "yes" ?

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 9, 2011

Dear joker, you screamed there was "no proof" for several years, and now that I supplied you with some, you refuse to follow up on it and publically ask Todd if I never had that conversation with him back in July 09. 

This is your chance to prove to the board of claims you are making "contributions" for the right reasons.

When you create an atmosphere, live up to it.

Ask him.

You refusing TO ask him underlines your not here for the reason you say you are.

What are you afraid of, him answering "yes" ?

With all due respect, could you please bring me up to date on this controversy over a communication with Todd?  It sounds like the truth or fiction of the proposition that God is of the Christian variety somehow hinges on his response.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 9, 2011

Dear joker, you screamed there was "no proof" for several years, and now that I supplied you with some, you refuse to follow up on it and publically ask Todd if I never had that conversation with him back in July 09. 

This is your chance to prove to the board of claims you are making "contributions" for the right reasons.

When you create an atmosphere, live up to it.

Ask him.

You refusing TO ask him underlines your not here for the reason you say you are.

What are you afraid of, him answering "yes" ?

Have you been hanging around with Pumpi?

So If Todd agrees that you indeed had that conversation with him about your Paris visions, God must exist? Wow, Is that all it took to prove his existence? I wish you would've told me that earlier, like many moons ago. I would've converted back then.

Thanx Vision, alas !...someone has finally come up with tangible proof after eons and eons of doubt.

Crazy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 9, 2011

With all due respect, could you please bring me up to date on this controversy over a communication with Todd?  It sounds like the truth or fiction of the proposition that God is of the Christian variety somehow hinges on his response.

Supposedly, Vision had visions about Paris or France for the past 3 years from God, and he told Todd of this in PMs. And If Todd agrees that he indeed had a coversation with Vision about his word of knowledge, it proves that the Christion God is the right one. The rest of the Gods out there are just made up phoney baloney Gods.

Meanwhile, someone in Paris who's Muslim had visions of Denmark for the past 8 years, and PMed it to the president of Egypt. Therefore, If you write to the president and ask him If he had a converstaion with Abdul in Paris, that must surely prove that Mohamad is the true prophet....

Oh boy, I got to go to bed. Too much excitement for one night...

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Supposedly, Vision had visions about Paris or France for the past 3 years from God, and he told Todd of this in PMs. And If Todd agrees that he indeed had a coversation with Vision about his word of knowledge, it proves that the Christion God is the right one. The rest of the Gods out there are just made up phoney baloney Gods.

Meanwhile, someone in Paris who's Muslim had visions of Denmark for the past 8 years, and PMed it to the president of Egypt. Therefore, If you write to the president and ask him If he had a converstaion with Abdul in Paris, that must surely prove that Mohamad is the true prophet....

Oh boy, I got to go to bed. Too much excitement for one night...

i never had "visions or dreams".

while God can still use that as a methodology in a followers life,  i have never once had that happen to me.

you immediately attempted to avoid my challenge to your intellectual impairment that God "isn't real",  or "can't be known", and He can't "prove Himself" above others pretenders,  and that "no one knows".

i just gave you hard everyday experience observable facts for you to weigh,  and what you do is call them something 180 degree's opposite of what has happened to me because you cannot address those occurances head on.

observable ongoing never interrupting daily occurances beyond my control,  not "visions or dreams".

visions or dreams are totally subjective. 

 you cannot debate against daily occurances beyond the manipulation of the one that it has happened to,  unless there is no documentation,  and it has not been 'observed' by any outside party.

and unfortunately for your wishful thinking that 'god cannot be known",   those 2 undebatable facts occured to me.

something you will run as fast as you can in the other direction from,  instead of addressing it's "factual nature"

like i said,  create the little science experiment for yourself,  but your not man enough to even do that.

why?   because you could care less what IS the truth about this arena of life

i have a journal i have kept of these events with dates and times,  so people like you can't twist it into something it isn't.

 a man of wisdom filters their believability factor thru the presented facts,  then rejects (or accepts them) based on the proveability.

unfortunately for you,  i have it journaled, and have corroberating eyewitnesses to its occurance over time.

with it happening everyday,  for that length of time,  you can twiddle it away all you want, but the facts are there,  that it is impossible for any human being to orchaestrate that same occurance of phenomenom.

impossible.   if you think that's some flippant grandiose claim,  do it yourself,  see how many days you go

joker,  i never once thought in the midst of being transparent about my life that you would glam on to factual proof,  but because alot of times i can tell the true motivations of men over time,  i could have bet the farm that you would have wussed out on just asking todd alone.

just asking todd would have validated your claim of altuism in here,  but you ran in the other direction.

i needed to accomplish 3 things within the framework of flittering my personal life / experience out there publically on LP,

(1) to demonstrate your not the man you claim to be,  and that your not in here to "educate".  that's a lie.

your only in here to play your little hit and run fly swat game period.     real men finish what they start,  and handle both sides of the coin no matter what,  when it comes to an intellectual OK corral moment,  especially one you start.

you were the one that kept screaming about the 20,000 children a day.

you just a firestarter,  a hit and run artist,  and nothing more. 

that's why you say the things you say

(2) it was necessary (given the current atmosphere in here)  for me to step up to the plate to validate what i say in here about God,  by connecting the dots of history,  and to show thru an experience that only God CAN orchaestrate such an event, to demonstrate in a tangible / relateable way that He is real,   so that it ends up validating future events in my life,   so guys like you can't cry it's nothing more than a "coincidence". 

(3) to embolden other believers 'faith' when guys like you attempt to steal it. 

challenging it is one thing,  but i won't stand there and watch someone attempt to "steal it".   

my defense isn't so much to benefit me,  it's to benefit "them".     it's what i do

once again,  i gave you the juiciest stage for you to stand upon in your wishful thinking that you are going to steal peoples faith,  and instead of getting up on that stage,  you exit curtain left.

it's what you do

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Why is it when I write what I feel it's an argument? When you write your beliefs, it's just a statement.

If you go back and read that thread, I never told her anything except congrats on your win. Like I said before, I replied to another poster in that thread with a question, and then you and Vision come out of the woodwork and accuse me of attcking Christianity. Let me tell you buddy, I have the right to say anything I want to, and If you or anyone else feels bad, too bad because I have that right. Like I said before, either side can be offended.

And yes, it makes no sense to me that a Saint is going to help someone in need, when Saints don't give 2 hoots about 20,000 starving, hurting kids that croak every single DAY !

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally happy that she won that money because she obviously sounded like she needed it. You make me sound like some heartless <snip>. I'm only saying that because to me, it makes no sense considering the priorities of the Saints, God, angels, or whatever entity is out there choosing one or two people to win money, or a football team to win over 20,000 kids.

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"I replied to another poster in that thread with a question, and then you and Vision come out of the woodwork and accuse me of attcking Christianity".

 it wasn't anywhere near the ballpark of respectful,  it was straight out of the gate classic joker jerk just to be a jerk.

if you had just "replied" with respect,  you would have asked to be defended against.

ask all you want,  ask the hardest questions your inducement can envision,  but if you are a jerk when you do it, you are going to get fly swatted around the room for doing it.

i have no problem of you having issues with Christianity,  but i do not ascribe to door mat Christianity,  and when someone thinks they can take pot shots at it for sport,  that's where my skills come out to play.

discuss,  disagree, debate,  don't even come close to agreeing ----->  i don't care.

be a purposeful jerk,  and think you are going to make the board pay with your angst about it,  that is NOT going to happen.

you know me,  i "wrestle" for equal ground.   that's ALL i wrestle for. 

but when i obeserve bullies that think they can steamroll others,  knowing full well no one is really going to step up to the likes of you,  then i have to

all i am concerned with in here is equal footing to discuss beliefs.

WITH RESPECT

of course,  if someone starts to challenge that footing by getting "narrrow" about what i believe,  THEN i will get narrow as the flow takes me.

it's not my desire to shove Christ down peoples throats.  that NEVER works.  if it was my desire,  i would invite myself into every nook and cranny here at LP ....

....i don't

but you can bet i will defend it,  when someone asks me too

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Have you been hanging around with Pumpi?

So If Todd agrees that you indeed had that conversation with him about your Paris visions, God must exist? Wow, Is that all it took to prove his existence? I wish you would've told me that earlier, like many moons ago. I would've converted back then.

Thanx Vision, alas !...someone has finally come up with tangible proof after eons and eons of doubt.

Crazy

it validates my claim,  like you keep whining that it is "impossible to do",  by creating a timeline based in unbiasness.

todd and i have mutual respect,  but we have also experienced enough differences for it TO validate my claim in an unbiased fashion.

that's why i referred you to a source outside of myself so that you can't claim it was a coincenciDUNCE.

you asked for proof God exists,  and i gave you proof to observe,  so that you can defend against it's validity.

backed it up with actual certifiable / observable data

at least challenge it's validity for crying out loud,  instead more babbling / whining.

the occurances give you data for which to filter thru the probability microscope,  so that you are able to come to a conclusion of it just being a "coincidence" that it has occured everyday for nearly 3 years,  or only God could orchaestrate something on that observable scale......for that length of time unbroken.

i can't make anyone believe,  that's WAY above my pay scale,  nor do i wish to. 

i just live my life wide open,  and take whatever shots come my way

but when someone asks,  i can give them evidence FOR belief,  rather than just reading about it in some book.

i gave you that,  and you don't even have the ability to tear it apart,  or deal with it head on

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 9, 2011

With all due respect, could you please bring me up to date on this controversy over a communication with Todd?  It sounds like the truth or fiction of the proposition that God is of the Christian variety somehow hinges on his response.

it does.

it provides an observable event in order to provide an opportunity for observable validation, yes.

  but i really wish you would have held your peace just a tad longer,  jimmy.

now,  because it was you that asked,  joker will now skate out of the side door to escape his responsibility,  and completly hide behind your skirt praying (pun intended) that you will pick up his mantle and finish for him what he started,   so he doesn't HAVE TO.

he's totally schiken like that...

he is jumping up and down thinking now he doesn't have to with that post you just made.

bare in mind,  i need to keep joker on the hook about this,  in order to demonstrate he is full of it when it comes to him claiming he is in these threads with good intentions.

once i take him all the way to the finish line,  and show that he is afraid of it, and he never will,  i have zero problem backing up anything i say to any degree where someone else sets the stage for me to do it.

i can "observe" you have views looking 180 degree's in the opposite direction.  that is cool,  but make sure if you want to discuss those concerns,  i implore you to be respectful.

people go sideways when someone like gets "narrow" after they have asked me to.

if it's supposedly "untrue",  why such a swift unraveling?

give me time to show joker isn't what he says he is,  then when he doesnt,  you can bet i will

vision

Perfecttiming2's avatarPerfecttiming2

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 8, 2011

I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic.

I've got a ton of debate points that eclipse this issue about the kids. I'm only responding to what others are pointing out about this issue. You still didn't answer the dilemma about letting kids be born by God, knowing they're doomed. Talk about craziness.

You want a good one, I'll give it. The majority of Christians believe the Universe is only about 6 to 10 thousand years old. How can that be If there are galaxies billions of light years away. it took light that long to get here.

There's a lot more, but I feel it's futile because you and others will always provide some obscure answer that you're comfortable with. No one likes to deal with the tough questions, but wants to live in la la land believing everything they read in some book.

Why don't you respond to the list of the hundreds of religions I posted in the topic that is closed now.

Please respond to the post I made about plagiarism pertaining to the Bible. The videos I posted do a better job of explaining it. Did you even bother to watch them?

You say God does not let things happen, well there's a ton of problems with that statement. if he does exist, he's the one that set up that scenario in the first place. If he's all knowing and ominpotent, Alpha and Omega he would've known that there was a good chance that Eve would eat the apple, thus ruining everything for mankind, which in itself is a rediculous story to begin with, but for arguments sake, he allowed this to happen which started a chain reaction.

I'm sorry, there are way too many paradoxes in religions that make no sense whatsoever. You can try to make sense of those paradoxes all you want but I've already spent years trying to find a way around them and it's futile.

If you want, I can spend hours writing ALL of the things that make no sense, but It's no use. People will do what they want despite mu efforts, so it's a waste of time for me.

Hi Joker!

So, what kind of an agnostic are you?

(Your answer will reveal alot....not that your post have not already....)

Dee88's avatarDee88

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 9, 2011

Like Jimmy said earlier, wich God are you talking about?

There are thousands to choose from.

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner joker.....  Well I don't know what God or God's jimmy is referring to...cause I only have one true God that is talked about in the Bible...(and I love to read Revelations)...unless he is referring to different God's from different cults or something like that...but I don't beleive in any of those cults...just like the case down in Texas that was called "WACO"..and do you know what WACO stood for....here it is "We Ain't Coming Out"....and that's just what happened...alot didn't come out...

joker......everyone is entitled to say how and what they feel about their beliefs and that is what is happening here...everyone is saying what they think is right and so on and so on....but what it comes down to is...I don't feel I have to prove ANYTHING to ANYONE about my God....my God knows me and I know him and we have our own personal relationship...cause when I leave this world I know I will be in a better place....and until you can feel that feeling between you and your God and have a strong faith in your religion...nothing or anything that anyone tells you will make a difference...bottom line....I was taught at a early age to not argue with people about religion and politics and beleive me I have learned the hard way....cause everyone has their opinion of the topic and of course everyone whats to be right...and I am seeing so much in this forum how people don't agree on this subject...but than again...they are entitled to their opinon just like me....just like this thread...it will keep going on and on and on till someone  gives up....cause you are always going to have someone that thinks they are right and they are GOD...and can't be defeated...

I do not hate or dislike anyone on this thread even if I don't agree with their comments..it is a free world and everyone is entitled to do that...I just know where to draw the line with people...I guess you could say I am a peace maker....I do hope that at some point in time you do find the God that will help you to see things better and to understand and to find a faith that you can feel good about...cause I am sure you mean well in what you say and do and don't want to hurt people....I will keep you and everyone else on this thread and in this world in my prayers and pray that you all find peace and happiness in this world...Blue Angel

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 9, 2011

I concur that you have the right to disagree.

I just think it's incredibly poor form to attack someone for saying "I prayed for a win" or "thank God I won". Those people aren't trying to proselytise or convert you or anyone else to their beliefs. They're just expressing their beliefs in conversation.

 

"I'm not trying to convert anyone here. I'm simply showing alternative thought processes...  ...I call it education."

 

Do you hear yourself?  Somebody says "Thank God" and you feel the need to show them "alternative thought processes"? To "educate" them? How does somebody saying "Thank God" become "interjecting their religious beliefs in a thread as truth"?  Who's exhibiting signs of being delusional here? 

Is this the Lottery Post or a re-education camp?

 

P.S. Check out your buddy Nancy's new avatar.  I told him to run along and he took a walk on the wild side!  I knew it!  LOL

Has there been any follow-up stories?

Because I was wondering from the beginning if it wasn't an attempt for "5 minutes of fame".

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jun 10, 2011

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner joker.....  Well I don't know what God or God's jimmy is referring to...cause I only have one true God that is talked about in the Bible...(and I love to read Revelations)...unless he is referring to different God's from different cults or something like that...but I don't beleive in any of those cults...just like the case down in Texas that was called "WACO"..and do you know what WACO stood for....here it is "We Ain't Coming Out"....and that's just what happened...alot didn't come out...

joker......everyone is entitled to say how and what they feel about their beliefs and that is what is happening here...everyone is saying what they think is right and so on and so on....but what it comes down to is...I don't feel I have to prove ANYTHING to ANYONE about my God....my God knows me and I know him and we have our own personal relationship...cause when I leave this world I know I will be in a better place....and until you can feel that feeling between you and your God and have a strong faith in your religion...nothing or anything that anyone tells you will make a difference...bottom line....I was taught at a early age to not argue with people about religion and politics and beleive me I have learned the hard way....cause everyone has their opinion of the topic and of course everyone whats to be right...and I am seeing so much in this forum how people don't agree on this subject...but than again...they are entitled to their opinon just like me....just like this thread...it will keep going on and on and on till someone  gives up....cause you are always going to have someone that thinks they are right and they are GOD...and can't be defeated...

I do not hate or dislike anyone on this thread even if I don't agree with their comments..it is a free world and everyone is entitled to do that...I just know where to draw the line with people...I guess you could say I am a peace maker....I do hope that at some point in time you do find the God that will help you to see things better and to understand and to find a faith that you can feel good about...cause I am sure you mean well in what you say and do and don't want to hurt people....I will keep you and everyone else on this thread and in this world in my prayers and pray that you all find peace and happiness in this world...Blue Angel

"Well I don't know what God or God's jimmy is referring to...cause I only have one true God that is talked about in the Bible..."

I think all Joker17 is trying to say is that the multiplicity of human perceptions of what and/or who God is supports the position of the deist.  I am unable to defend atheism because, logically, it seems to me that our self-awareness requires that something beyond human-ness must exist.  But neither can I defend any of the anthropomorphic perceptions of God, such as the one espoused by Christians.  The Zen Buddhists have an interesting way of looking at things.

By the way, proponents of the Bible should be aware of their competition, with whom they share many beliefs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN-EJBCPonw&NR=1

joker17

Vision, I don't believe that for 3 years, every single day you had a whatever you call it about France. It's simply hearsay and there's no way you can prove it. Even If you wanted to attempt to prove it, you couldn't. I'd have to live with you 24 hours aday, and follow you around for a week to see you come across French words of knowledge, and that isn't gonna happen...

Hearsay is not proof.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jun 10, 2011

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner joker.....  Well I don't know what God or God's jimmy is referring to...cause I only have one true God that is talked about in the Bible...(and I love to read Revelations)...unless he is referring to different God's from different cults or something like that...but I don't beleive in any of those cults...just like the case down in Texas that was called "WACO"..and do you know what WACO stood for....here it is "We Ain't Coming Out"....and that's just what happened...alot didn't come out...

joker......everyone is entitled to say how and what they feel about their beliefs and that is what is happening here...everyone is saying what they think is right and so on and so on....but what it comes down to is...I don't feel I have to prove ANYTHING to ANYONE about my God....my God knows me and I know him and we have our own personal relationship...cause when I leave this world I know I will be in a better place....and until you can feel that feeling between you and your God and have a strong faith in your religion...nothing or anything that anyone tells you will make a difference...bottom line....I was taught at a early age to not argue with people about religion and politics and beleive me I have learned the hard way....cause everyone has their opinion of the topic and of course everyone whats to be right...and I am seeing so much in this forum how people don't agree on this subject...but than again...they are entitled to their opinon just like me....just like this thread...it will keep going on and on and on till someone  gives up....cause you are always going to have someone that thinks they are right and they are GOD...and can't be defeated...

I do not hate or dislike anyone on this thread even if I don't agree with their comments..it is a free world and everyone is entitled to do that...I just know where to draw the line with people...I guess you could say I am a peace maker....I do hope that at some point in time you do find the God that will help you to see things better and to understand and to find a faith that you can feel good about...cause I am sure you mean well in what you say and do and don't want to hurt people....I will keep you and everyone else on this thread and in this world in my prayers and pray that you all find peace and happiness in this world...Blue Angel

Thanx for wishing me well, and right back at you.

I don't hate believers, I really don't, despite the picture some people paint of me here. I hope the best for all kinds. But some here feel the need to contradict themselves by telling me not voice my opinion, yet they voice theirs in opposition to my voice....WHAT?....lol

Vision keeps telling me I'm disrespectful, but I'm only human, and can only repeat something so many times before I either just quit writing it over and over, or get angry in my writings. If I quit, then he calls me a chicken for running away. I'm not running away, I'm simply trying to avoid the whole thing because it's futile.

Then he wants me to believe his God is real because he's had words of knowledge from God about France for 3 years. I have no freaking idea what France has anything to do with this.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 10, 2011

Vision, I don't believe that for 3 years, every single day you had a whatever you call it about France. It's simply hearsay and there's no way you can prove it. Even If you wanted to attempt to prove it, you couldn't. I'd have to live with you 24 hours aday, and follow you around for a week to see you come across French words of knowledge, and that isn't gonna happen...

Hearsay is not proof.

there is a difference in a man like me,  and a man like you,  i can prove it ,  without it being "subjective"

i have an ongoing journal that i started back in aug of 08,  and while i have not tediously written in it everyday,  cataloging every minutia of "times" it happened,  whenever i entered a day i always wrote the words...

"still france everyday"

which means until that streak HAD been broken,  it was still congruent and unbroken.

what?   i suppose in your wishful thinking world that it wasn't true,  now you are going to rush to accuse me of manufacturing a journal with falsified entries.   that's about par for your desperation course.

takes me a L O N G time just to type.   i don't oppose you with enough veracity to sit down and write three years of "history" just to kick dust over you.

i have it.  3 years worth,  all archived pre conversation,  and something you will never be able to debate against it.

trouble is for you #2,  i have plenty of eyewitnesses to it's occurance as well,  and they can corroberate my story of it's duration of nearly 3 years.

see,  it's the usual,  you don't "believe",  not because their is "insufficient effidence" for belief,  you never wanted to believe,  so you make up lame excuse to sell it in here that you don't HAVE to believe.

if there is a God,  what kind of definition applies to a man when that happens?       a seeker?

 

it was established you couldn't back up your "undeniable proof" with a pic of a $1000 check, and that was after you told the board you sent the dude an email to challenge him.       you never did

i don't suffer from the same malady of "slitheroutthebackdooritis" when i make a claim.

i stand by them,  i stand up to them, and i make sure mine crosses the finish line sans steroids.   

just the facts.   facts that stand alone,  and are not afraid of the spotlight.

now you can watch and observe how a real man of positional strength acts,  when they make a claim.

it will be in my next post.   please excuse me for a moment will i jog over to my PM box.  back uno moMENTUS.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

this is the PM in it's entirety,  nothing deleted or added,  except for highlighting the date.

i did not includes todd's response because it was a private conversation  between todd and i,  and i have to honor the 'private' part of todd's response,  until i got his permission to post his response. 

but if you want your desperation to run amok (again),  please,  by all means,  ask todd to confirm (or deny) i had this conversation with him on this date.

the now truthful archived date establishes a timeline,  that i was at minimum on that page about this way back then.

my journal,  and eyewitness testimony as to it's never broken congruity are someting your gonna to have to manufature the most rediculous excuse" of your life.

go ahead,  entertain us all.

you won't bother asking todd for "conformation",  because you are afraid of the truthful answer

whether or not you choose to recognize a feat of this magnitude time wise is IMPOSSIBLE unless God was puling the strings behind the scenes of my life in order for it TO happen,   well that's your choice of delusion.

i handled my business,  and since it is still ongoing (with 3 'occurances' happening just today),  looks like my "business" has teeth.

a full set in pristine chewing condition

i don't feel bad,  i know these kinds of moments where God demonstrates He actually is alive isn't wasted on a guy like you.

guys like you throw jewels in the trash,  and prefer to stand on street corners hawking synpathetic diamonds instead

nope,  i allowed a peer into my life to build the faith of those that already believe,  and to provide a spark TO believe,  via an actual observable fact.

so joker,  what possible excuse can you come up with for your life now?

you cannot trump 3 years of ongoing evidence. 

that's the face of what "undeniable" looks like

 

 

— Previous Private Message —
Sent By: visiondude
Sent: July 28, 2009, 8:15 pm

hey todd,  i have a proposition for you,  as you remember from my time at LP that i am a huge proponent for God dealing with man on a personal level,  instead of just a "religious" experience.  I.E.,  that God "can" designate someone a lottery win,  should it fit into his plan FOR that persons life.   so,  with that in mind,  coupled with my previous claims that i have known in the past,  certain things that God was going to do in and thru my life BEFORE he did them,  and my public declaration  previously on LP that i "believe" this will be my destiny,  a certain set of circumstances have been in play which leads me to believe it could be "soon".   these kinds of precursor "hints"  prior to events happening in my life has only happened a handful of times in my life (+/-),  but with 100% accuracy - meaning i knew it WOULD happen,  told people it would, and it did.  with that in mind,  God has been dealing with me about "france".   something about france has come across my way EVERYDAY for the last 11 months.  everyday.  everyday,  without me manufacturing "possibilities",  God has shown me something about "france" without fail.  it is astounding.   to measure the odds of that happening,  pick out another country/subject matter and try and see if you hear or encounter anything about that one singular subject matter (that you have come up with),  and how many "days" that lasts.   everyday it has happened to me for 11 months.   we can control certain aspects of those things to "make it happen",  but not everyday for 11 months straight.  that's impossible,  and ONLY something God can do.  i tell you that to tell you this>  when "it" happens,  i want at least the option of going on LP and demonstrating (to those who ARE interested) that God really IS real,  and that God IS involved in EVERY aspect of our life (or wants to be).   not in the same "i told-you-so"  vein as what easy money pulled a while back,  because i am not an "i-told-you-so" kind of arrogant jerk.  it's a gift,  plain and simple, and can be removed by God from ones life just as fast as it was given.  i Do want the ability to compare from my LP archived posts that one CAN know God,  and sometimes what HE will do prior to doing it.   as of yet,  should it be true,  i haven't decided that i am going to publically come on LP about it,  but i am "positioning"  myself for it by telling you about it P.R.I.O.R.  to.   that way i have an unbiased ally who knew my claims PRIOR so as to validate my claim AFTER.   i will know post win if it is what i should do (come on LP),  or to keep it on the DL.   anyway,  you are the one i picked to know this info PRIOR.  if you can, save this private message between us so that you can post it should it happen,  and i decide to publically proclaim it on LP.........any questions??????

vision

Dee88's avatarDee88

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 10, 2011

Thanx for wishing me well, and right back at you.

I don't hate believers, I really don't, despite the picture some people paint of me here. I hope the best for all kinds. But some here feel the need to contradict themselves by telling me not voice my opinion, yet they voice theirs in opposition to my voice....WHAT?....lol

Vision keeps telling me I'm disrespectful, but I'm only human, and can only repeat something so many times before I either just quit writing it over and over, or get angry in my writings. If I quit, then he calls me a chicken for running away. I'm not running away, I'm simply trying to avoid the whole thing because it's futile.

Then he wants me to believe his God is real because he's had words of knowledge from God about France for 3 years. I have no freaking idea what France has anything to do with this.

  Well joker...I'm sorry to read that you are having this problem with people...and I am not trying to take your side or anyone else's either...but it looks to me like you just might have to step up to the plate and take the bull by the horns and let this go...cause this looks like it isn't going to end any time soon...so don't keep adding fuel to the fire...just let it go .......just be a man and walk away from it...don't subject yourself to this stuff...there is always someone that feels that they know it all or have the answers no matter what you say or do...Smiley

joker17

Not only does Vision have jouranls, but now claims to have testimonials from eyewitnesses about France, french, or paris....

Vision, are you competing with Ridge for the funniest guy on LP?...lol.....Green laugh

This is why I can't really get mad at you or Ridge because you both make me laugh. Ridge has a way of making me laugh with his wit. he tryly has a gift, but you also make me laugh because like in this case, I can't tell whether you're joking or not.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 10, 2011

Vision, I don't believe that for 3 years, every single day you had a whatever you call it about France. It's simply hearsay and there's no way you can prove it. Even If you wanted to attempt to prove it, you couldn't. I'd have to live with you 24 hours aday, and follow you around for a week to see you come across French words of knowledge, and that isn't gonna happen...

Hearsay is not proof.

"I'd have to live with you 24 hours aday, and follow you around for a week to see you come across French words of knowledge, and that isn't gonna happen"...

 au contraire,  what would you like to wager on it "not occuring" while you accompany me around?

your beer stash,  and your guitars?      that's a deal.   i can donate them to the.....i dunno....i will figure something out.

it's just the thought of having you go all in,  and we know for you "all in"  means you have to put up yur heineken and guitars

work out the details,   pay your own airfare and come hang out. 

you can't get wasted during your observational week.   you have to be clear minded so you report back to the board truthfully 

but,  since you slime out on your 'comittments',   if this little facetious scenario had a chance in paradise of ever happening,  i would have you sign an affadavit that you couldn't lie about it,   and that you would have to report it verbatim for howEVER it turns out

no way your going to agree to that even if this wasn't a facetious joke.

you won't even "travel" over to PM todd about all this to get your first "taste" of unbiased corroberation

that fact alone (that you won't)  is yet but another 'proof" of your collective undoing about you claiming you seek truth.

a true "truthseeker" would run to ask todd.

what do YOU do?   like you always do,   you head in the opposite direction

this time you rushed to the sporting goods store,  and spent money you really didn't have,  to buy the most expensive track shoes the store carries.

the ones in the back.  the ones the general public nevers see's.    the ones for "special occasions"

those

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

JOKER,  just be a man for once and live up to the things you start in here.

you cry and whine about perceived "inequities",  and then when someone like me offers up something tangible that *might* have teeth,  instead of dealing with it head on,  instead of debating it as to it's *validity*,   you create some sideshow diversion "ha ha" to keep FROM dealing with it.

say what you want,  embarrass yourself to the hilt,  but you still can't get passed an archived event.

it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

i provided the dated conversation,  which is what men of position do

real men of strength of position keep their words and back up thier claims.

guys like you entertain their delusions,  freshening them up,  but this time,  it's gonna take you way more effort for you to 'convince yourself'  it hasn't happened

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jun 11, 2011

  Well joker...I'm sorry to read that you are having this problem with people...and I am not trying to take your side or anyone else's either...but it looks to me like you just might have to step up to the plate and take the bull by the horns and let this go...cause this looks like it isn't going to end any time soon...so don't keep adding fuel to the fire...just let it go .......just be a man and walk away from it...don't subject yourself to this stuff...there is always someone that feels that they know it all or have the answers no matter what you say or do...Smiley

But does this mean that everytime someone mentions how God did this or that for them, that I should shy away from responding for the sake of not adding fuel to the fire?

I believe I have a right to respond despite disagreement. I do this in every other subject deemed necessary that happens to come along, no matter what the subject. If someone says the odds are so and so in the "Systems Forum", and I disagree because of so and so, should I also not respond for the sake of not arguing?

If someone in the Lottery Discussion forum creates a a new thread about an author of a system they're seeking advice on. Should I simply avoid responding for the fear of a disagreement?

Where should I draw the line?

Why does every other subject have a free ride in debates, save religion?     Why?

If it's such a personal event in someone's life, then it should stay personal, but If the person doesn't think it's that personal and is comfortable sharing it on a public forum, then he or she should prepare themselves for opposing thoughts by others who are reading their thread.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

JOKER,  just be a man for once and live up to the things you start in here.

you cry and whine about perceived "inequities",  and then when someone like me offers up something tangible that *might* have teeth,  instead of dealing with it head on,  instead of debating it as to it's *validity*,   you create some sideshow diversion "ha ha" to keep FROM dealing with it.

say what you want,  embarrass yourself to the hilt,  but you still can't get passed an archived event.

it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

i provided the dated conversation,  which is what men of position do

real men of strength of position keep their words and back up thier claims.

guys like you entertain their delusions,  freshening them up,  but this time,  it's gonna take you way more effort for you to 'convince yourself'  it hasn't happened

it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

 

It's only factual If you can prove it. A discussion between two people is not proof. Sorry dude.

Put yourself In my place. If i told you I saw the word pumpernickle for 3 years straight, every single day either in my head or on television commercial flashes, or whatever, would you really take me seriously, with a straight face?

Seriously?

Now I know you're tugging my chain...Green laugh

joker17

Let me give you a little bit of advice Vision, publicly announcing events doesn't make it true.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i just thought of a brilliant way that i can prove my claims in a most unbiased way.

the internet is a beautiful thing,  accessing information from far away.

tell you what,  since i am not like you,  and like i stated,  i see my "claims" all the way to it's logical finish line,  what you can do to confirm my claims,  is you can pick an arbitrary place in sacramento calif,  search under that particular city,  and pick some place out randomly that i can go to,  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

i don't live near sacratomato,  but i don't mind traveling that far to back my claim up.

i told you,  i am a man of my word, a man who goes to the Nth degree (if i need to) to back up what i say.

you surely have the capability to report back in here to say "he failed to show"....if i don't.

you certainly have the ability to make this happen,  but we all know you won't.

because your not the man you claim you are,  and your afraid of the kind of man you know i am

or,   you could shock the whole board and make it happen.

you know i will

pick an unbiased 3rd party,  and then lets see if you still say it's "subjective and unprovable"

your not schicken of documented facts,  are you?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

did you run to smash the PM button to ask todd yet?

why is that,   your not afraid,  are you?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

i just thought of a brilliant way that i can prove my claims in a most unbiased way.

the internet is a beautiful thing,  accessing information from far away.

tell you what,  since i am not like you,  and like i stated,  i see my "claims" all the way to it's logical finish line,  what you can do to confirm my claims,  is you can pick an arbitrary place in sacramento calif,  search under that particular city,  and pick some place out randomly that i can go to,  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

i don't live near sacratomato,  but i don't mind traveling that far to back my claim up.

i told you,  i am a man of my word, a man who goes to the Nth degree (if i need to) to back up what i say.

you surely have the capability to report back in here to say "he failed to show"....if i don't.

you certainly have the ability to make this happen,  but we all know you won't.

because your not the man you claim you are,  and your afraid of the kind of man you know i am

or,   you could shock the whole board and make it happen.

you know i will

pick an unbiased 3rd party,  and then lets see if you still say it's "subjective and unprovable"

your not schicken of documented facts,  are you?

  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

 

What, are you kidding me? So because a third party sees your delusional notes for the past 3 years makes it true? Anyone can write things they believe are true, but doesn't make it so....DUH...You gotta do much better than that Vision. I really thought you were better than that.

This is a joke right?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

it's factual,  and non debateable that it is "there"

 

It's only factual If you can prove it. A discussion between two people is not proof. Sorry dude.

Put yourself In my place. If i told you I saw the word pumpernickle for 3 years straight, every single day either in my head or on television commercial flashes, or whatever, would you really take me seriously, with a straight face?

Seriously?

Now I know you're tugging my chain...Green laugh

not between 2 people on one single occasion,  no,  not that moment in and of itself.

you are familiar with the justice system,  and all that prosecutors and defense attorneys go thru to get TO the truth of what really happened.

you know that one conversation,  one event,  does not come close to what i claim HAS happened,  and that is why i built a timeline to prove i had this going on at least from july 28th on.

  and now you now i have the ability to corroberate my story with actual observable ongoing occurances over time.

the collection of those unbroken facts tell the truth over a 3 year period.

i have written observable proof.

the icing on that cake,  is you aren't the only one i have ever told.

while i haven't shouted it on benny hinn's hit parade,  i have told a good gaggle of people,  even people who don't know God,  not just "Christians".

they know it's been 3 unbroken years.   they have observed it too

eyewitnesses trump your accusation (as usual) that this all a manufactured hoax

truth is,  you swallowed hard and bit your forked tongue when i produced just the PM with july 28th 2008 highlighted

you can throw your false bravado all around the room until you tire out and fall over in a sleep apnea frenzy,  but you know it's true.

you admitting it's beyond my manipulation,  that won't happen

harold camping will be right before you come to truth's table and pull up a chair to dine sumptuiously

just beer and guitars make poor "gods", joker

eventually they will turn against you Red Devil

Dee88's avatarDee88

  joker....     Yes...you do have a right to respond or disagree...and not have to be afraid to say anything to anyone...but when someone or more than one person  keeps coming back at your opinion than that's when you need to draw the line and let it be.....(if you can or what to)....

Somethings are personal to people and than again some people like to share somethings with people even if it is personal to them....hoping that someone isn't going to make a big deal about it and share the joy or sadness with them....

It's like some people have thin skin.. (if you know what I mean) and something they say or do just rubs some people the wrong way and before you know it...you have this blown out conversation going on....and than you have people that enjoy conversations like this and want to be the ring leader or the person in charge....so you take it for what ever it's worth....if you want to hang out with the big dogs and you don't have a problem with them...than go for it......in my opinion I don't give a flying crap what you do....just do it....and be happy....LOL...Life's to short to get caught up in conversation like this...and miss out in the good things in life.....unless this is your life.....Smiley

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Dee88 on Jun 11, 2011

  joker....     Yes...you do have a right to respond or disagree...and not have to be afraid to say anything to anyone...but when someone or more than one person  keeps coming back at your opinion than that's when you need to draw the line and let it be.....(if you can or what to)....

Somethings are personal to people and than again some people like to share somethings with people even if it is personal to them....hoping that someone isn't going to make a big deal about it and share the joy or sadness with them....

It's like some people have thin skin.. (if you know what I mean) and something they say or do just rubs some people the wrong way and before you know it...you have this blown out conversation going on....and than you have people that enjoy conversations like this and want to be the ring leader or the person in charge....so you take it for what ever it's worth....if you want to hang out with the big dogs and you don't have a problem with them...than go for it......in my opinion I don't give a flying crap what you do....just do it....and be happy....LOL...Life's to short to get caught up in conversation like this...and miss out in the good things in life.....unless this is your life.....Smiley

If i stop responding, it shows weakness. As If i ran out of things to back up my claim.

I have no problem with people posting what God did for them, I just feel I have the right to respond without harrassment.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

not between 2 people on one single occasion,  no,  not that moment in and of itself.

you are familiar with the justice system,  and all that prosecutors and defense attorneys go thru to get TO the truth of what really happened.

you know that one conversation,  one event,  does not come close to what i claim HAS happened,  and that is why i built a timeline to prove i had this going on at least from july 28th on.

  and now you now i have the ability to corroberate my story with actual observable ongoing occurances over time.

the collection of those unbroken facts tell the truth over a 3 year period.

i have written observable proof.

the icing on that cake,  is you aren't the only one i have ever told.

while i haven't shouted it on benny hinn's hit parade,  i have told a good gaggle of people,  even people who don't know God,  not just "Christians".

they know it's been 3 unbroken years.   they have observed it too

eyewitnesses trump your accusation (as usual) that this all a manufactured hoax

truth is,  you swallowed hard and bit your forked tongue when i produced just the PM with july 28th 2008 highlighted

you can throw your false bravado all around the room until you tire out and fall over in a sleep apnea frenzy,  but you know it's true.

you admitting it's beyond my manipulation,  that won't happen

harold camping will be right before you come to truth's table and pull up a chair to dine sumptuiously

just beer and guitars make poor "gods", joker

eventually they will turn against you Red Devil

you are familiar with the justice system,  and all that prosecutors and defense attorneys go thru to get TO the truth of what really happened.

 

yes I'm familiar with this. The prosecutor has to find EVIDENCE to show his claims, not hearsay.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

 

What, are you kidding me? So because a third party sees your delusional notes for the past 3 years makes it true? Anyone can write things they believe are true, but doesn't make it so....DUH...You gotta do much better than that Vision. I really thought you were better than that.

This is a joke right?

in your world,  when you clutch desperation and squeeze the life blood out of it?   no

but to a man actually LOOKING to validate truth,  you bet your permannet marker it does.

it will establish my claims as being trustworthy thru documented evidence.

a man truly interested in truth will connect those dots when the dots are connectable.

i demonstrated once again my willingness to back mine up,  and your offering your newest "reason" why it's bogus.

i keep coming,  and you keep running

and to think,  you had the magnitude of audacity to claim you are '"agnostic".

agnostics just by definition are seekers,  they are not excuse makers every chance they get

it's the perfect scenario for you to 'prove' they are nothing more than "delusional notes"

if it's the perfect scenario for you to demonstrate i am a nut,  then why am i running TO do it,  and you are running away  from it? 

something doesn't sound right in your choice of directional GPS

the journals will tell the truth,  though "delusional" in the opinion of some at face value,  me proving it HAS occured everyday for 3 years makes a person HAVE to choose "coincidence" or "God"

once again,  i step up,  and you head for the exit

that is a treasure trove for you,  some unbiased arbitrary person you can pick to prove your case.

your the guy that screams the loudest at LP,  while being the guy that has the smallest committment

you should pen a song about that,  and put it on youtube.

at least i will head to the marquee and not the exit

joker17

Just like you, the writers of the Bible wrote down the events that supposedly happened. And also like you, neither the Bible or any other religion has been able to prove their case without a shadow of a doubt.

Give it up Vision. Your pathetic attempt to prove your case by written documents fails miserably. You are among the multitudes who claim this and that. The Bible is rife with fantastic claims that haven't been proved, along with other books written by other delusional folks who really mean well, but are confused, misguided, and desperate for an answer.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

you are familiar with the justice system,  and all that prosecutors and defense attorneys go thru to get TO the truth of what really happened.

 

yes I'm familiar with this. The prosecutor has to find EVIDENCE to show his claims, not hearsay.

fine,  i can appreciate that.

would you like to lie to the board that i have produced "none" ?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

fine,  i can appreciate that.

would you like to lie to the board that i have produced "none" ?

I already told you that providing testimonials is not proof. Anyone can write testimonials.

joker17

Vision, If you provide this info to a court of law as proof, they would close the case based on hearsay. No proof to back it up except that you told some people about this event. I can assure you that would not be sufficient evidence.

If someone who is accused in a murder case, and can supply an alibi worthy of the court and/or the Jury's scrutiny, then and only then will the defendant be excused of the crime, along with more evidence on top of that. 

In your case, telling a bunch of friends who share your beliefs is not acceptable.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

you watch too much area51 "documentaries",  where you should mete out your time a little more judiciously,  because now you have descended down the ladder into lying purposefully.

even you know within your lack of judge judy viewership that any "court" would weigh evidence on a collective scale.

i walk into a "courtroom",   i present my documents i have written with dates and times on them, i offer the PM to todd that validates my claim at least on that date forward,  and i produce several eyewitnesses who will testify under oath i continually tell them it's still happening, while each one systematically recalls "when" i first told them

a court scenario would only rule in my favor,  because i have evidence, and i can collect it and produce it to prove over time to prove what i said was true

collective over time evidence.   that's how justice systems arrive at the truth.

you remind me of those low life defense attorney's who will march into court to get a murderer off on "insufficient" evidence,  knowing full well they actually murdered people.

lying about the evidence,  doesn't make the evidence "disappear"

i made my case tonight,  and you did your usual schtick,  just don't drink yourself beyond recognition because you refuse the truth

you keep to this path,  you will drive yourself crazy (over time)

truth score tally tonight;

truth 2,419 points

joker 4 points

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

man up and earn your right to bloviate in here...

go ask todd,  at least that will show a semblance of "manhood"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

so i sign off of LP to spend time with the wifey,  we talk for a bit,  then i pick up a magazine i got in the mail yesterday to look thru it.

it's a magazine that was not ordered by me,  it is for a different family member. 

it has nothing to do with travel,  or anything remotely related to anything aimed toward being "france friendly" to make it easier to stumble onto to something,  but lo and behold,  there was a pic of the eiffel tower, with a small blurb about france.

i could pick up a bike magazine,  and you can just about bet all your pork bellies there will always be something about "france" or "tour de france" in that.

this magazine,  you wouldn't expect it

look at the time date stamp between this post,  and the last one one prior to this post.

it didn't take that long before i came across something totally beyond my control.

i cannot "manufacture" a pic of the eiffel tower,  it occured without my "help"

that's what i mean,  this has been happening to me beyond my control to "make it happen" everyday for nearly 3 years.

go ahead and write it off to coincidence,  trouble is joker,  even if you did walk around with me and observe my life for 24 hr stretches,  and these things did occur,  you would still lie to yourself

Perfecttiming2's avatarPerfecttiming2

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 8, 2011

@Joker:  When you say, "I'm not an Atheist, I'm an Agnostic," you might as well call yourself atheist.  God won't see a distinction when the day comes.

"Joker, when you say: "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnositc, you might as well call yourself atheist..."

Todd,

Your comment speaks vloumes....there are atheist who would actually agree with you and they want the word "Atheist" to be defined as:

Anyone who doesn't believe that God exist....and not just people who believe that God doesn't esist....

Sounds like a mind twister but there is a very teeny tiny difference between

Not believing that God exist (agnostic)

And

Believing that God doesn't exist (atheist)

Not believing that God exist means that you don't believe in God but you also don't claim to know for sure that He doesn't exist....therefore you don't know either way.

Believing that God doesn't exist means that you absolutely believe God does not exist.

Atheist (some of them anyway) are saying what you are saying Todd, in that there should only be one category.

Now regarding the word "agnostic".....I asked Joker what kind of agnostic he was claiming to be because there are two kinds:

The "Can't" Know.....and...The "Don't" Know

Can't Know Agnosticism says: "I don't know if God exist and no one can possible know it either!"

**The problem with this is that a person would have to have absolute, total and complete knowledge to make that claim and the only ONE who has that kind of power is....GOD!

Don't Know Agnosticism says: "I personally don't know if God exist".

**The problem with this is anyone can find out who God is but they would have to humble themselves and open their heart and be willing to allow God to reveal Himself to them......Some of the accusations on this thread about God and the words spoken against Him are so crazy.... no wonder its difficult for those struggling to believe.

What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

"God won't see the distinction when the day comes"

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)

jimmy4164

Perfecttiming2 says,

"So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

'God won't see the distinction when the day comes'

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)"

... which leaves me no choice but to quote myself:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2092017

"I think all Joker17 is trying to say is that the multiplicity of human perceptions of what and/or who God is supports the position of the deist.  I am unable to defend atheism because, logically, it seems to me that our self-awareness requires that something beyond human-ness must exist.  But neither can I defend any of the anthropomorphic perceptions of God, such as the one espoused by Christians.  The Zen Buddhists have an interesting way of looking at things.

By the way, proponents of the Bible should be aware of their competition, with whom they share many beliefs..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN-EJBCPonw&NR=1

--Jimmy4164

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 11, 2011

Perfecttiming2 says,

"So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

'God won't see the distinction when the day comes'

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)"

... which leaves me no choice but to quote myself:

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2092017

"I think all Joker17 is trying to say is that the multiplicity of human perceptions of what and/or who God is supports the position of the deist.  I am unable to defend atheism because, logically, it seems to me that our self-awareness requires that something beyond human-ness must exist.  But neither can I defend any of the anthropomorphic perceptions of God, such as the one espoused by Christians.  The Zen Buddhists have an interesting way of looking at things.

By the way, proponents of the Bible should be aware of their competition, with whom they share many beliefs..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN-EJBCPonw&NR=1

--Jimmy4164

"... which leaves me no choice but to quote myself:..."

Yeah, as if there's anything you'd rather do. LOL

 

I'd suggest a new name for you but Blowhard is already taken.

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Jun 11, 2011

"Joker, when you say: "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnositc, you might as well call yourself atheist..."

Todd,

Your comment speaks vloumes....there are atheist who would actually agree with you and they want the word "Atheist" to be defined as:

Anyone who doesn't believe that God exist....and not just people who believe that God doesn't esist....

Sounds like a mind twister but there is a very teeny tiny difference between

Not believing that God exist (agnostic)

And

Believing that God doesn't exist (atheist)

Not believing that God exist means that you don't believe in God but you also don't claim to know for sure that He doesn't exist....therefore you don't know either way.

Believing that God doesn't exist means that you absolutely believe God does not exist.

Atheist (some of them anyway) are saying what you are saying Todd, in that there should only be one category.

Now regarding the word "agnostic".....I asked Joker what kind of agnostic he was claiming to be because there are two kinds:

The "Can't" Know.....and...The "Don't" Know

Can't Know Agnosticism says: "I don't know if God exist and no one can possible know it either!"

**The problem with this is that a person would have to have absolute, total and complete knowledge to make that claim and the only ONE who has that kind of power is....GOD!

Don't Know Agnosticism says: "I personally don't know if God exist".

**The problem with this is anyone can find out who God is but they would have to humble themselves and open their heart and be willing to allow God to reveal Himself to them......Some of the accusations on this thread about God and the words spoken against Him are so crazy.... no wonder its difficult for those struggling to believe.

What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

"God won't see the distinction when the day comes"

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)

"What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!"

 

Ouch, indeed. It's clear that you're ignorant of, and have apparently chosen to remain an uneducated person in regards to, the origins and meaning of both words.

"Ignoramus"  as a modern English word comes from the 1615 play of that title and is much different than the original Latin word. The original Latin  ignoramus comes from the root "ignore" and simply means "we do not know".

Though derived from Greek origins, "agnostic" is not a Greek word and has no Latin counterpart. It is a modern English word coined by Thomas Huxley in the late 1800's from "agnostos".  Agnostos, like many Greek words uses the "a"  to negate the meaning of the root, "gnostos".  Gnostos means known or knowable, and agnostos simply means unknown or unknowable. Regardless of being derived from the original Greek meaning, the new word has it's own meaning. Huxley's original usage was to describe his philosphy that observable evidence was required for legitimate knowledge and that spiritual or mystical "knowledge" could not really be known.  In modern usage it simply means one who believes that  absolute knowlwdge about any number of subjects, including the existence of god(s), is unknowable.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Jun 11, 2011

"What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!"

 

Ouch, indeed. It's clear that you're ignorant of, and have apparently chosen to remain an uneducated person in regards to, the origins and meaning of both words.

"Ignoramus"  as a modern English word comes from the 1615 play of that title and is much different than the original Latin word. The original Latin  ignoramus comes from the root "ignore" and simply means "we do not know".

Though derived from Greek origins, "agnostic" is not a Greek word and has no Latin counterpart. It is a modern English word coined by Thomas Huxley in the late 1800's from "agnostos".  Agnostos, like many Greek words uses the "a"  to negate the meaning of the root, "gnostos".  Gnostos means known or knowable, and agnostos simply means unknown or unknowable. Regardless of being derived from the original Greek meaning, the new word has it's own meaning. Huxley's original usage was to describe his philosphy that observable evidence was required for legitimate knowledge and that spiritual or mystical "knowledge" could not really be known.  In modern usage it simply means one who believes that  absolute knowlwdge about any number of subjects, including the existence of god(s), is unknowable.

Thank you for Huxley's opinion.

But because Huxley deigns something unknowable to him doesn't mean it's unknowable to anybody else.

Maybe Huxley was just what a lot of people said he was.

An arrogant dope.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 11, 2011

Thank you for Huxley's opinion.

But because Huxley deigns something unknowable to him doesn't mean it's unknowable to anybody else.

Maybe Huxley was just what a lot of people said he was.

An arrogant dope.

you know, with modern technology and all,  it's just a crying shame that the steve job's of the world cannot design texting that works in eternity,  and then huxley could give us his unbiased opinion.

shoot,  depending on location restrictions,  huxley could tap into WIFI and go to "ineedafireextinguisherquick.com"

but that's just a facetious assumption on my part,  because people that notoriously mock God most of their breathing days,  are also notorious for death bed "just in case" conversions.

they act all brave until right before the dirt nap

huxley's "opinion" is far more important now,  now that he has had time to ponder it

"once a man dies,  the collective bargaining ends"

1st visiondude 2:7

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

hey joker,  so i get up and cruise the internet to look at sites i always do everyday,  one of which is ajc.com

i read the atlanta journal constipation everyday,  because i use to live there.

wouldn't you know it,  a reference to "france" in the bottom left hand portion of the home page under the obits

coinciDUNCE?  it would be,  if i just had this conversation with you yesterday,  and it happened today.

that's what's called in personal science experiment circles as a "coinkadink"

but not when it's happened unbroken everyday for nearly 3 years

since you can't think straight for yourself at times,  i offered you the ability to take this out for a test drive yourself

your the one that keeps screaming about "proof",  and proofs that center around science and math,  etc.

this is totally up your alley,  the "odds game".

go ahead,  you won't strain a muscle.   no animals will be harmed in your personal exercise thereof.

you pick a like subject matter,  and see how many congruent days it comes your way by stumbling across it during the course of your day.

shoot,  it won't cost you money,  so you can't wuss out based on that excuse.

you won't even do this,  despite years of personal protestation "it's not true",  when you actualy ARE presented with an ability to test drive it and weigh it against the odds to observe the origin thereof.

 YOU RUN THE OTHER WAY

 which brings me back to my ongoing reason why i put you thru the washing machine truth cleaners,  is that you are SNOT the least bit interested in what is true,  you are ONLY interested in making it "not true".

that's not a "seeker"

that's a "destroyer"

 tell you what,  i am a fair guy,  find a subject matter that parallels "france" in capability standards,  and if you go a full week of observance everyday straight in a row,  i will send you a 6 pack of heineken.

there is no boobie prize for you if it only lasts 3 days.

keep in mind,  mine has lasted nearly 3 years

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

you guys do realize my eventual goal is to demonstrate God is real,  and that He loves you, He is not "against you".

that He has a plan for your life that far exceeds the places,  avenues and "accomplishments" your intelligence could ever take you.

sometimes in the course of having to defend against the "destroyers of faith",  my goal doesn't get it's marquee face time it deserves.

it just did...

...vision

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i assistant coach a baseball team,  and no,  we dont pray before the game,  i have very rarely ever mentioned "God" while coaching,  nor do we have a poster size picture of Jesus in the dugout, but...

....today while we were up to bat,  one of our players struck out,  and on his way back to the dugout,  he mutters something indecipherable (from a distance),  and the kid on deck blurts out...

 "man,  that sounded like he said something in french".

looks like God is kinda making sure joker doesn't have the luxury of writing it off as a "koinkadink"

but,  joker will come back in this thread,  and claim i made that kid do it jeff dunham dummy style, or some other lame excuse.

i wouldn't dare make fun of a "seeker",  they don't derserve it.

but someone who mocks God,  whose intent is not to weigh things out,  but to excuse things away for sport,  that person 'deserves' their intent to be highlighted

you can write off that it's a coincidence,  you can even claim i am lying about it happening everyday,  but the truth is....

.....it has. 

everyday      ------>  for nearly 3 years.

shoot,  i even documented an event so you can see for yourselves,  on todays AJC.com

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Jun 11, 2011

"Joker, when you say: "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnositc, you might as well call yourself atheist..."

Todd,

Your comment speaks vloumes....there are atheist who would actually agree with you and they want the word "Atheist" to be defined as:

Anyone who doesn't believe that God exist....and not just people who believe that God doesn't esist....

Sounds like a mind twister but there is a very teeny tiny difference between

Not believing that God exist (agnostic)

And

Believing that God doesn't exist (atheist)

Not believing that God exist means that you don't believe in God but you also don't claim to know for sure that He doesn't exist....therefore you don't know either way.

Believing that God doesn't exist means that you absolutely believe God does not exist.

Atheist (some of them anyway) are saying what you are saying Todd, in that there should only be one category.

Now regarding the word "agnostic".....I asked Joker what kind of agnostic he was claiming to be because there are two kinds:

The "Can't" Know.....and...The "Don't" Know

Can't Know Agnosticism says: "I don't know if God exist and no one can possible know it either!"

**The problem with this is that a person would have to have absolute, total and complete knowledge to make that claim and the only ONE who has that kind of power is....GOD!

Don't Know Agnosticism says: "I personally don't know if God exist".

**The problem with this is anyone can find out who God is but they would have to humble themselves and open their heart and be willing to allow God to reveal Himself to them......Some of the accusations on this thread about God and the words spoken against Him are so crazy.... no wonder its difficult for those struggling to believe.

What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

"God won't see the distinction when the day comes"

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)

And you have the scripture to back it up. Yup, another brainwashed human. I believe in Thor, and I have the scripture to prove it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What a dumbass!

It was written in the Bible, THEREFORE, it must be true.....You and Vision would make a great tag team....Crazy  Crazy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

i assistant coach a baseball team,  and no,  we dont pray before the game,  i have very rarely ever mentioned "God" while coaching,  nor do we have a poster size picture of Jesus in the dugout, but...

....today while we were up to bat,  one of our players struck out,  and on his way back to the dugout,  he mutters something indecipherable (from a distance),  and the kid on deck blurts out...

 "man,  that sounded like he said something in french".

looks like God is kinda making sure joker doesn't have the luxury of writing it off as a "koinkadink"

but,  joker will come back in this thread,  and claim i made that kid do it jeff dunham dummy style, or some other lame excuse.

i wouldn't dare make fun of a "seeker",  they don't derserve it.

but someone who mocks God,  whose intent is not to weigh things out,  but to excuse things away for sport,  that person 'deserves' their intent to be highlighted

you can write off that it's a coincidence,  you can even claim i am lying about it happening everyday,  but the truth is....

.....it has. 

everyday      ------>  for nearly 3 years.

shoot,  i even documented an event so you can see for yourselves,  on todays AJC.com

You really need serious help. The only thing I ask you is when you go see the doctor, please don't tell him you see or hear things that are related to France on a daily basis. He will kick you out of his office, or let you stay but charge you much more money.

You know Vision, you used to annoy me, but with this whole French thing lateley, it's somewhat entertaining. Thanx for the laughs.

BTW, today is the 2nd day in a row I saw the word "Pumpernickle". I think God is trying to tell me something. Maybe I should move to Germany.....Eek

Green laugh

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Ummmmm, someone is knocking back quite a few tonight, so I hereby rescind my offer  to pay the bet in beer.

I don't want to end up being an accessory to your crime.

Anyway, I am in the arden fair mall, and awhile ago I walked by a rosetta stone booth.

You guessed it..."france".

However,  that doesn't count, because the occurances cannot repeat, they must me unique and a once only occurance to count.

Doubling up is cheating on this validation scale.

Now you see its even MORE difficult for it TO occur.

Glad you have 2 days in a row, but you can't even go a week

are you still.writing it all off to a "coincidence" ?

you STILL wussed out of asking Todd to validate that PM, so you can't accuse me of lying fabrication.

you being afraid of just that reveals the kind of man you really are

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 11, 2011

Ummmmm, someone is knocking back quite a few tonight, so I hereby rescind my offer  to pay the bet in beer.

I don't want to end up being an accessory to your crime.

Anyway, I am in the arden fair mall, and awhile ago I walked by a rosetta stone booth.

You guessed it..."france".

However,  that doesn't count, because the occurances cannot repeat, they must me unique and a once only occurance to count.

Doubling up is cheating on this validation scale.

Now you see its even MORE difficult for it TO occur.

Glad you have 2 days in a row, but you can't even go a week

are you still.writing it all off to a "coincidence" ?

you STILL wussed out of asking Todd to validate that PM, so you can't accuse me of lying fabrication.

you being afraid of just that reveals the kind of man you really are

Believe me, I think there's something to what you're saying. I'm starting a journal as of now. I will keep you updated and hope that tomorrow I'll see the word "pumpernickle" one more time, and hopefully the next day and so on.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 12, 2011

Believe me, I think there's something to what you're saying. I'm starting a journal as of now. I will keep you updated and hope that tomorrow I'll see the word "pumpernickle" one more time, and hopefully the next day and so on.

most excellant

may i help you to make this even easier on you,  to stack the odds farther in your favor to give yourself the most optimum chance of an occurance streak?

'france' is far more common than "pumperknickel",  and pumperknickel has a much lower probability factor attached to it far as it's ability to occur.

i would much rather see you pick a word that is more common,  and yet obscure just enough that you can't expect to see it in the course of everyday life.

do as you wish,  but i would rather help you  toward the 'success' of this,  because all that will do is solidify my claim,  that it's origin of orchaestration comes from God,  and not pure chance / coincidence,  containing a zero probability factor of occuring conguently everyday for 3 years straight.

i must however defend my positional strength that you no longer have the ability to accuse me of just delusional granduer.

i provided proof of a timeline reaching as far back as july 28th 2009

i offered the ability for you to observe my chronological written documents dating backwards to my original claim of the events oroginating back as far as aug 2008

i provided varifiable proof that it happened today ....via the ajc.com  website

so,  you can only accuse someone of something that never happened.

the only thing you have left after the varifiable prroofs i have offered,  is to call me a liar, in regards to my claim it's happened everyday since aug 2008

are you willing to pubilically call me a liar ?

don't be afraid,  i am not the sensitive type when it comes to this arena of life

in order to live within a position of strength in life,  you can't go around and call an adversary names that don't apply to the facts of what you are debating, just because you don't like the subject matter,  or the "opponent"

your only "exit" out of this is to prove i am lying

mayhem's avatarmayhem

There is no belief without non-belief. There is no good without evil. Evil must thank Good for its existence and vice verssa. 

 

Athiesm was always part of the plan. Just as a spirituality has been part of mans history from the beginning. The fact that the "stories" in the Bible are predated means nothing and is a needless distraction. 

 

Evolution of the church and our belief systems was even mentioned in the bible. Nothing is static in nature and niether should our beleifs be. Ever wonder why there are very few (2?) descriptions of Jesus in the bible? That was purposeful so he could be adapted to different cultures. 

 

The best evidence for his existence is our existence. Only more nothing comes from nothing. Why/how is anything here? Take the code the governs us. Is this really the result of a random spark of chance that is still perfecting and perpetuating itslef? Where there is code, there is always a programmer.

jimmy4164

Could we call a TIME-OUT here?

It's really frustrating to watch decent people sniping away at each other because they happen to have different ideas about the concept of God.  Ironically, the human beings upon whose teachings [at least] two of the major religions were founded had a lot in common and would be saddened by such discourse.  Surely you've heard the critiques of Islam and Christianity that basically claim the followers of Jesus and Muhammad who finalized the Bible and the Quran diverged significantly from the actual teachings and examples set by the men themselves when they lived.  Whether you are inclined to believe that or not...

...do you think you could take a few minutes to read the Editorial Reviews at Amazon of a book that compares and contrasts Jesus and Buddha?

(At least read the first one!)

The title is Going Home: Jesus and Buddha as Brothers.

http://www.amazon.com/Going-Home-Jesus-Buddha-Brothers/dp/1573228303

Here is a short bio of the author, Thich Nhat Hanh.

http://www.amazon.com/Thich-Nhat-Hanh/e/B000AP5YRY/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0

I hope that reading this helps to calm people down a little here, and see that they really may not disagree as much as they think they do...

--Jimmy4164

P.S.  There's even a reference to something visiondude is currently interested in, and it starts with the letter "F!"


visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by mayhem on Jun 12, 2011

There is no belief without non-belief. There is no good without evil. Evil must thank Good for its existence and vice verssa. 

 

Athiesm was always part of the plan. Just as a spirituality has been part of mans history from the beginning. The fact that the "stories" in the Bible are predated means nothing and is a needless distraction. 

 

Evolution of the church and our belief systems was even mentioned in the bible. Nothing is static in nature and niether should our beleifs be. Ever wonder why there are very few (2?) descriptions of Jesus in the bible? That was purposeful so he could be adapted to different cultures. 

 

The best evidence for his existence is our existence. Only more nothing comes from nothing. Why/how is anything here? Take the code the governs us. Is this really the result of a random spark of chance that is still perfecting and perpetuating itslef? Where there is code, there is always a programmer.

"The fact that the "stories" in the Bible are predated means nothing and is a needless distraction". 

the predation of the bible means everything.

the bible throughout it's historical run has always distanced itself from being assigned as 'just another chronicle' of history.

the internal flow of the bible seeks to fulfill the claim that it was inspired by God,  thru the recordations of mans experiences.

the only way the bible could ever make the internal claim it does, and valiDATE it,  is by it's predated prophetic flow.

otherwise,  it's just a book of the history of mens lives / experience,  no different than any other book in history.

someone with a better knowledge of fulfilled scripture evidently made the claim Jesus Christ fulfilled somewhere around 300 prophecies just Himself.

that feat can only occur if the "fulfillment"  was  pre dated

aside from Christ,  the self fulfilling documents have included the recordation of dates,  followed by the fulfillment thereof.

israel becoming a nation comes to mind,  as the bible predicted that hundreds of years prior

future tense,  predation "predicted" the future of technology before it was invented,  a feat impossible to claim unless dates where attached to it.

like i have been "debating" with joker,  "fulfillment" is merely subjective,  until it is collective and congruent,  a feat observable within the text itself,   sans "biased" observance.

it was a long winded explanation as that was,  pre dating is everything with these kinds of stakes attached

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

in keeping with my "comittment" to joker,  so he can't fabricate the "origin" .........of my origin, 

i was watching a show i had recorded on the dvr about the new NY ink show tonight.

started watching it and a few minutes into it,  2 guys working in the shop are discussing the shops largesse, etc,  and one of them comented on the floor tiles, that they were expensive and imported.

the other guy says "they are from france"

don't believe me?   check it out yourself.    it's the new NY ink show on TLC.  the shows air date 6/02/11

when he said that,  i looked at the clock.   it was 12:02am.

semi ho hum significant,  in that when i measure a "day" during the observation process,  a "day" constitutes 12am to 12am.

it has to occur at least once within that frametime to count,  in order for it to be validated as happening congruently everyday.

it has to be a one off first time non repeatable event.  (no going to the refrigerator and grabbing a bottle of french's mustard and claiming an "ah hah"). 

one a day at minimum,  original,  or it doesn't count.

when are one of you guys that handle math proficiently ever going to remind joker of the odds of that occuring everyday for nearly 3 years ?

i would love to see that decimate the decimal system up close and personal.

any takers?

anyway,  at 12:02 starters gun,  i am off and running already on sunday,  having already been witness to the first apperance thereof.

2 minutes into the day,   so any other "occurances" just make me laugh.

2 minutes into the day.  ummm.  nice, God,  nice that i can cruise the rest of the day.

lets face it,  God sometimes likes to deal out the cards "last minute".....just so we will trust Him to do what He says He will on time.

been on the receiving end of last minute "concerns" a bazillion times (slight exaggeration),   but never once have i ever witnessed God not doing what He said he would do,  before He told me He would.

this france thing isn't my first rodeo,  but it's certainly the most prolific.

i have a suspicion as to what it means,  but not unlike God,  and how He chooses to mete out His plans, He hasn't fully filled in the blanks on the "france thing".

trust.   trust is a key component to intimacy with God.         (in any relationship worth anything really)

wherever He leads with this...i trust Him, and i will follow AND adjust to whatever He decides.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 12, 2011

Could we call a TIME-OUT here?

It's really frustrating to watch decent people sniping away at each other because they happen to have different ideas about the concept of God.  Ironically, the human beings upon whose teachings [at least] two of the major religions were founded had a lot in common and would be saddened by such discourse.  Surely you've heard the critiques of Islam and Christianity that basically claim the followers of Jesus and Muhammad who finalized the Bible and the Quran diverged significantly from the actual teachings and examples set by the men themselves when they lived.  Whether you are inclined to believe that or not...

...do you think you could take a few minutes to read the Editorial Reviews at Amazon of a book that compares and contrasts Jesus and Buddha?

(At least read the first one!)

The title is Going Home: Jesus and Buddha as Brothers.

http://www.amazon.com/Going-Home-Jesus-Buddha-Brothers/dp/1573228303

Here is a short bio of the author, Thich Nhat Hanh.

http://www.amazon.com/Thich-Nhat-Hanh/e/B000AP5YRY/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0

I hope that reading this helps to calm people down a little here, and see that they really may not disagree as much as they think they do...

--Jimmy4164

P.S.  There's even a reference to something visiondude is currently interested in, and it starts with the letter "F!"


haha, the letter "F",  the bonus plan i guess in this instance.

i read where the guy said the author hanh stated he considers it a waste of time to discuss "whether God is a person or not a person"....

i bet he does.

Historical Christianity,  it's teaching,  it's history,   it's core values,  all center around a person, it contains zero desire to be relegated into being just another "way of life",  seeking to co-exist shoulder to shoulder with other "ways of life" based on an "everythings equal" playground.

Christianity seeks to exclude itself from the pack,  by being personal,  with a personal God

without the designation of God being a living breathing personal entity,  there is no "Christianity".

by hahn steering the discussion in directions like those,  He accomplishes his goal of stripping away the authority of God over His creation by an impersonal hands off approach,  and Christianity is 180 degree's opposite from that.

i can see the "can't we all just get along" vibe being viable,  but only to a point.

at some point,  any Christian who understands historical Christianity,  knows it's impossible to relegate Christianity as just another means of "good living".

when that begins to happen,  a line gets drawn in the sand.

it is my goal as a Christian to get along with every human being,  irregardless of beliefs.   that is what i am commanded to do.

but i am also commanded to obey God over man,  especially during the attempted dilution process of turning a personal God down to just a "way of life"

at some point,  i could not become an accessory to that crime,  just for the sake of "understanding"

at some point,  a Christian will have to pick the absolutes of God being personal and authoratative over His creation,  far before they can have an "understanding" between others that includes ditching the "personal" out of the equation.

Christianity was never "a good way to live",  nor will it ever evolve into that.

it's a byproduct that becomes that,  but only as an addendum to living circumspectly before a God who is personal first

anyone that can accomplish that feat (making God "impersonal")   gets to be their own rule maker,  because then it becomes wildly chaotic,  and subjective from person to person,  removing the "authoratative" aspect.

Jesus Christ claimed to be THE way,  not "a way".     

when He solidified that claim,  it effectively eliminated my responsibility to agree with hanh on that level.

initually for the sake of respect, yes.

but the eventuality of it all,  not a chance

Perfecttiming2's avatarPerfecttiming2

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

And you have the scripture to back it up. Yup, another brainwashed human. I believe in Thor, and I have the scripture to prove it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What a dumbass!

It was written in the Bible, THEREFORE, it must be true.....You and Vision would make a great tag team....Crazy  Crazy

Hi Joker17,

Hope you have a great day and a great a week.

Take care and God Bless.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

You really need serious help. The only thing I ask you is when you go see the doctor, please don't tell him you see or hear things that are related to France on a daily basis. He will kick you out of his office, or let you stay but charge you much more money.

You know Vision, you used to annoy me, but with this whole French thing lateley, it's somewhat entertaining. Thanx for the laughs.

BTW, today is the 2nd day in a row I saw the word "Pumpernickle". I think God is trying to tell me something. Maybe I should move to Germany.....Eek

Green laugh

According to Dan Brown, Mary Magdalene took hers and Jesus' kids to France so it's possible there is some significants. Or we could ask the nice people in the Mystical forum which pick-3 and pick-4 dream numbers to play for France.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

well,  you can tell that's an historical lie,  of historical proportions.

inflated fiction writers,  and their inflammatory "facts"  for profit. 

Jesus never had children,  because He was never married.

and despite the just for immediate fun and games of our society,  Jesus never had sex.

He would have obeyed the edicts of Gods word about sex.        none outside of marriage

not exactly hollywood "friendly" on either the book or movie level

one things for sure,  dan brown is snot a "historian"

joker17

All joking aside VISION, I have to either give you credit for what happened to me today, or cough it up as coincidence.

There's a new channel that premiered in Southwest Florida last week called "MeTv" Stands for "Memorable Entertainment Tv".

They show old sitcoms and westerns from the late 60's to the mid 70's, some even late 50's like Gunsmoke. Anyways, today I was watching Laverne and Shirley on that new channel, and both Laverne and Shirley were dressed up in French maid uniforms in order to act as workers in a hotel where a famous singer was staying, so they could get as close as possible. I didn't pay too much mind, even though in the back of my head I remembered your French stuff.

After that show came on "My three Sons" . The storyline revolved around Ernie having ESP. Then that old 70's show "Family Affair came on after laverne and Shirley. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I remembered that the butler was named Mr. French. That just totally blew me away.

You can check it online If you don't believe me. You can see their line-up from earlier today...maybe...I dunno.

I have to say that was weird, but if you think about it, anyone who is looking for something will see it everday. You may claim that you're not specifically searching out for it, but in the back of your mind, you're unconsciously looking for it.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 12, 2011

haha, the letter "F",  the bonus plan i guess in this instance.

i read where the guy said the author hanh stated he considers it a waste of time to discuss "whether God is a person or not a person"....

i bet he does.

Historical Christianity,  it's teaching,  it's history,   it's core values,  all center around a person, it contains zero desire to be relegated into being just another "way of life",  seeking to co-exist shoulder to shoulder with other "ways of life" based on an "everythings equal" playground.

Christianity seeks to exclude itself from the pack,  by being personal,  with a personal God

without the designation of God being a living breathing personal entity,  there is no "Christianity".

by hahn steering the discussion in directions like those,  He accomplishes his goal of stripping away the authority of God over His creation by an impersonal hands off approach,  and Christianity is 180 degree's opposite from that.

i can see the "can't we all just get along" vibe being viable,  but only to a point.

at some point,  any Christian who understands historical Christianity,  knows it's impossible to relegate Christianity as just another means of "good living".

when that begins to happen,  a line gets drawn in the sand.

it is my goal as a Christian to get along with every human being,  irregardless of beliefs.   that is what i am commanded to do.

but i am also commanded to obey God over man,  especially during the attempted dilution process of turning a personal God down to just a "way of life"

at some point,  i could not become an accessory to that crime,  just for the sake of "understanding"

at some point,  a Christian will have to pick the absolutes of God being personal and authoratative over His creation,  far before they can have an "understanding" between others that includes ditching the "personal" out of the equation.

Christianity was never "a good way to live",  nor will it ever evolve into that.

it's a byproduct that becomes that,  but only as an addendum to living circumspectly before a God who is personal first

anyone that can accomplish that feat (making God "impersonal")   gets to be their own rule maker,  because then it becomes wildly chaotic,  and subjective from person to person,  removing the "authoratative" aspect.

Jesus Christ claimed to be THE way,  not "a way".     

when He solidified that claim,  it effectively eliminated my responsibility to agree with hanh on that level.

initually for the sake of respect, yes.

but the eventuality of it all,  not a chance

"haha, the letter "F",  the bonus plan i guess in this instance."

I think you missed it...

In this short treatise, Vietnamese Buddhist monk Hanh continues the ecumenical dialogue he began in 1995's Living Buddha, Living Christ. The chapters evolved from talks he gave at Plum Village, Hanh's Buddhist retreat center located in the heart of Christian France.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

This is a Taoist symbol, not Buddhist

 

Just curious about the change in avatar and a post about a Buddhist monk.

The Buddhist symbol is a wheel.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 13, 2011

This is a Taoist symbol, not Buddhist

 

Just curious about the change in avatar and a post about a Buddhist monk.

The Buddhist symbol is a wheel.

Putting up my YinYang avatar was not a reference to Buddhism.  To many people it represents harmony and give and take, which I thought the thread was lacking.  You'll see it receive attention in Feng Shui as well.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Got it.

In the sense that "timing is everything" I just thought it odd to see that avatar with that post.

Kind of like saying one teams' infield is the best in the majors and then showing the logo of a different team.

Scared

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 12, 2011

All joking aside VISION, I have to either give you credit for what happened to me today, or cough it up as coincidence.

There's a new channel that premiered in Southwest Florida last week called "MeTv" Stands for "Memorable Entertainment Tv".

They show old sitcoms and westerns from the late 60's to the mid 70's, some even late 50's like Gunsmoke. Anyways, today I was watching Laverne and Shirley on that new channel, and both Laverne and Shirley were dressed up in French maid uniforms in order to act as workers in a hotel where a famous singer was staying, so they could get as close as possible. I didn't pay too much mind, even though in the back of my head I remembered your French stuff.

After that show came on "My three Sons" . The storyline revolved around Ernie having ESP. Then that old 70's show "Family Affair came on after laverne and Shirley. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I remembered that the butler was named Mr. French. That just totally blew me away.

You can check it online If you don't believe me. You can see their line-up from earlier today...maybe...I dunno.

I have to say that was weird, but if you think about it, anyone who is looking for something will see it everday. You may claim that you're not specifically searching out for it, but in the back of your mind, you're unconsciously looking for it.

i was thinking of that yesterday,  the "familiarity quotient",  just because you naturally have a heightened sense of an awareness about something when something does come across your path.

irregardless that it is more noticeable,  in and of itself it is not the means for qualification.

not yet anyway

the only possiblity where it leaps over the line from 'coincidence' and a 'ah hum" scenario that starts to get your attention to seek credibility,  is time.

time strectched out over a long enough period where you can'T write it off to 'coincidence' any longer.

time AND consistentcy,  where if you are going to add things up on the "what's fair" in life,  while eliminating the emotional factor of "wanting it to be true",   time and consistentcy are the true allies that posssess the ability to decipher that.

at some point,  you have to cut emotion completely out,  otherwise it's reduced to mere subjectiveness.

given at least that admission,  that it has happened "enough" to remove the "oh i am just more keenly aware of it now,  to   really,  it's not just a coincidence any longer",  then that's where you cross the line to believability.

a personal note about myself, and this arena,   this stuff has happened to me on several occasions in my life.   not alot,  but several times over the years.  and each time the "methodology" is the same.

uninvited repetiveness over time .

  enough to where i noticed it because it got my attention, ,  i started to immediately decide that "IF" it was something that repeated over time enough,  that i would adjust to it,  and pursue after it with whatever filtering knowledge about it came my way,  and i would see it thru to the end.

  everytime this has happened to me,  i have experienced a 100% track record of the "occurances" coming to pass.

(except 2)

even more important, is that while i am willing to adjust to when i think something is brewing,  and the natural inclination is to be "looking for it",  still the LAST THING i ever want on the resume of my life is that i chased things that were never to be.

that's why you see me hawk bumper stickers at LP that say buy "1QP ticket and let it go". 

 if you are meant to, you will.  if you aren't,  it doesn't matter how many tickets you buy.

i just have this thing where i want to be a "doer",  but not at the cost of chasing something that won't happen anyway.

that gives me a great luxury within these little scenario's,  so that i am not emotionally driven,  that now just because i "see things" repetitively speaking,  i don't just run with the ball,  and make something out of it that it is not. 

that's a total waste of time.

believe me,  for my life,  i need to make sure that i don't waste my time,  and even though it's happened rediculously so,  i still make sure i take my hands off it as much as possible,  like going TO look for it.

i could make it happen,  if i wanted.   all i need to do is go to repeat occurances,  and "claim" that counts for today.

i could go in my freezer and pull out the french toast container once a day.   that's not a validation.  that's self manufacturing.

it is imperative that the more i do NOTHING, and just live my life,  i don't  make anything to happen, the more eveident it is God,  and not just coincidence.

one thing i will do is do whatever i can to make it more difficult.   that's why you see me consistently do odds stacking.

i live for the odds being stacked against me,  because God is more clearly recogonized in my life that way.

if it is God,  it is  His responbility to insure it does happen,  and the only way i can differentiate that over time,   is watching it occur by completely stubling across it during the course of my day.

just like you did.   like that

you didn't say anthing about "pumperknickle".   i am guessing your "streak" stopped at 2 days,  yes?

i told you though,  you can up the odds of this,  in fact,  i prefer you do.   make it as "common" as you can make it,  to give it the best chance.   but remember,  it needs to be just obscure enough.

this 'occurance' discussion parallels the only reason i am at LP,  because the same methodology about "france" is the same methodology that has been occuring to me over the span of 13 (+/-)  years.

obviously that hasn't come to pass,  and it (the lottery)  hasn't had the crazy voracity of 3 years everyday in a row happening (like france has) ,  but "enough" where i crossed the line from "ok, this has my attention,  to "ok,  now i have to buy a ticket and position myself for it,  because it's eventually going to"

when it comes to my personal lottery pursuit,  i have made 100% sure my "pursuit" is not emotionally driven. 

i wouldn't even be in here if i didn't believe that someday when the timing becomes perfect, i am 'meant to'.

when i mentioned all the previous rodeo's i have been thru on this level,  and all of them have come to pass, "except 2"...

that's the "lottery" and france" issues.    other then the "pending" issues,  all the others that have come to pass leads me to believe it's just a matter of time.

hey,  who is to say "france" would end up being something that benefits me,  or enhances my comfort level when people try and project this stuff out?

God has never been "specific" about france with me.   what if He did this,  only to ask me something i REALLY don't want to do,  and that's why he has done this to a rediculous level,  to make sure there is no question He has asked me to do it?

it's not like He has had to do this on any where near this level in the past to get me to come to the table,  i always have.

but the incessant aspect of this means whatever "it" becomes......i have NO choice,  i HAVE to do it

truthfully speaking, that does make me a little nervous.  i will do it whatever "it" is.

i serve Him,  He does not serve me,  and if that's a true statement,  i will

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 13, 2011

"haha, the letter "F",  the bonus plan i guess in this instance."

I think you missed it...

In this short treatise, Vietnamese Buddhist monk Hanh continues the ecumenical dialogue he began in 1995's Living Buddha, Living Christ. The chapters evolved from talks he gave at Plum Village, Hanh's Buddhist retreat center located in the heart of Christian France.

no, i did totally get that.

i read the references,  and saw that ("france")

thanks for noting it,  jimmy

vision

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

another DVRed event i taped earlier and just got around to watching,

the iron man world chapionships from clearwater FL.

i like to ride road bikes,  so i taped it because they guys have the best of the best triathalon road bikes

while some dude was transitioning from his ride into the area where he would park his bike,  so he can put on his shoes for the run,  he crashes his bike just as he is getting off of it.

anyway,  the dude was from france........  ( sylvain sudri )

he had a DNF after that to end his day.        a little too much "chin music" on the pavement

he had what looked like a #4  on his arm in permanent marker

like,  how many people from france come to race in iron man tri's anyway ?

i lost count,   but i think that's 3 days in a row per my claim

GamerMom's avatarGamerMom

The law of attraction is a mighty thing...

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 13, 2011

another DVRed event i taped earlier and just got around to watching,

the iron man world chapionships from clearwater FL.

i like to ride road bikes,  so i taped it because they guys have the best of the best triathalon road bikes

while some dude was transitioning from his ride into the area where he would park his bike,  so he can put on his shoes for the run,  he crashes his bike just as he is getting off of it.

anyway,  the dude was from france........  ( sylvain sudri )

he had a DNF after that to end his day.        a little too much "chin music" on the pavement

he had what looked like a #4  on his arm in permanent marker

like,  how many people from france come to race in iron man tri's anyway ?

i lost count,   but i think that's 3 days in a row per my claim

The probability issues raised by your discussion of observations of references to France has analogues in the lottery and gaming.  You are not helping people understand the randomness of the lottery by alluding to something other than randomness in this case.

If another person traveling with you 24/7 over the last decade had an attraction like yours to, say, Iraq, I wonder which of you would have received the most "hits?"  Smile

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by GamerMom on Jun 13, 2011

The law of attraction is a mighty thing...

gamermom, if you believe in the "law of attraction",  that fine,  but the particular scenario that is happening to me currently,  or the others that have happened to me previously,  have nothing to do whatsoever with the law of attraction.

for me,  all i do is live my life while making it a priority to be obedient to Christ,  knowing He has a specific plan for my life.

because i am well aware of that,  and i am willing to adjust to whatever He brings my way to let me know what that is, i always recognize when He is speaking to me by using the circumstances of my life around me.

God takes each individual and uses different "methodologies" to get our attention.

but the premise of that,  whether it is from God or not,  is if it mirrors biblical priniciples during the course of observance and pursuit.   if it takes a "detour" from biblical principles AT ALL,  it's not of God,  and not to be pursued that way.

the "how" of how this is occuring to me,  may or may not happen to another individual the way it does to me.

that is what's fantastic about God,  is the personal aspect.   he tailor's His will to each individual,  thereby eliminating the notion we falsely seem to run to....."hey,  it worked for him,  now i am going to do the same thing,  so it HAS to work for me".

that does not work.

take for instance the lottery,  for most people,  it is just not in thier "cards",  and you can do everything verbatim the other person did who won,  and not experience the same result.

accurately speaking,  when it comes to the individual will of God for man,  you are either "meant to,  or you are not",  and no amount of "attracting" methods will work.   

everyone has to get off of the notion that winning a lottery is some level of validation,  that you have "arrived".

while money does make one more comfortable,  it is not what matters in life on the qulaification scale of what does matter.

in the "i am meant to" scenario,  no one is then "better than" anyone else.   it is merely a function of will and purpose,  it is not some backward indicator that God likes one above another at that particular moment when the results come across the ticker board.

He loves everyone equally,  so whatever He decides He wants to include within the framework of His will for a particular persons life,  He will do that.   conversely,  if it isn't within His framework,  He won't.

scripture says ; "ALL THINGS work together for those that love Him".    that is all inclusive,  meaning whatever place you are in life,  up and down the scale,  and not just when things are going smoothly.

that scripture applies judiciously to the person who loses every bit as much as the person who wins

GamerMom's avatarGamerMom

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

  and the person you made the agreement with over the phone  can view my journal themselves.

 

What, are you kidding me? So because a third party sees your delusional notes for the past 3 years makes it true? Anyone can write things they believe are true, but doesn't make it so....DUH...You gotta do much better than that Vision. I really thought you were better than that.

This is a joke right?

with all the quotation marks, bolding, highlighting and paragraphing I don't see how anyone can read his posts let alone take him seriously.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 13, 2011

The probability issues raised by your discussion of observations of references to France has analogues in the lottery and gaming.  You are not helping people understand the randomness of the lottery by alluding to something other than randomness in this case.

If another person traveling with you 24/7 over the last decade had an attraction like yours to, say, Iraq, I wonder which of you would have received the most "hits?"  Smile

you are right,  this screams the "probability" factor,  and that's exactly why i am underlining it.

what is the "probability" that something like this could happen to an individual,  and still end up calling it just a 'coincidence"?

the probability factor raises what it is intended to in this scenario.

is "it" from God,  is it just a naturally occuring phenomenom, or what other explanation?

being accutely aware of something naturally heightens the probability, yes,  but after awhile,  it becomes difficult to write it off to coincidence or heightened awareness.

everything hinges on the probability factor concerning this.    length,  time, and consistentcy raises questions,  and therefore raises a question mark in a persons mind as to it's origin.

that's a good thing.  why? 

not because i am seeking to raise false hope with anyone concerning the lottery (hence my "only if you are meant to"),  but i am thru the transparency of my life,  by allowing people to observe my life,  they too can "observe" that God is real,  and not some mythical fabrication.

there is no way you will ever see me telling someone else this can happen to them too,  because it may or may not.

that's not the point of this,  as per my explantion to gamermom above.

you have seen my "views" expressed in the QP's vs systems threads about how stringent i am against false hope,  and in this scenario i am discussing here,  i would seek to steer away from it even more stridently.

i cannot control how people will add this all up in their mind,  and i know human nature means there will be those that totally misinterpret this,  that they too can duplicate this if they expend "just enough faith".

that is not how this occurs.

if it happens,  it happens,  and the idea is to roll with it until it's conclusion

not sure what you meant about the "iraq" comment,  can you explain?

i know for me,  during previous experiences where these scenario's came to pass,  the "methodology" was more hit and run,  and spread out over time on an occasional basis.   but those too were "enough" that i knew.

this time it is incessant.  everyday for nearly 3 years. 

going back to your iraq comment,  i am still at a semi loss as to why God feels the need to bomb me with this.

He surely didn't need to do it everyday for this long TO get my attention and allegiance

maybe it's not for my benefit,  but for the benefit of others,  so that they can observe that He is in fact real

i know one things for sure,  the non coincidental nature of all this,  coupled by the time and date stamp aspect means it will eventually validate itself as being "from God"

however that shakes out,  and whoever that attracts because it eventually validates,  that is beyond my concern and pay grade as they say.   i just go along for the ride,  and see where the ride takes me

it has already passed the 'probability test'  more than 2 years ago.

remember,  unless joker's streak is intact,  he went 2 days.    mine is nearly 3 years.

nope,  i will never be an accessory to the crime of "false hope"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by GamerMom on Jun 13, 2011

with all the quotation marks, bolding, highlighting and paragraphing I don't see how anyone can read his posts let alone take him seriously.

you can read it just fine.

 it's your personal choice to believe it or not. 

it's  obvious that people who don't agree seem to use the excuse of my lack of grammar skills as to one of the reasons why they don't,  and that's a complete non qualifying factor to a dissention of opinion.

if it was so "out there",  no one would be able to respond.

you did,  then changed your "response" once my post didn't favor your opinion.

i get that,  we might be on opposite ends,  but you can understand me "enough" just fine

in all the years i have been here,  i have never once used the excuse of someones "lack of  grammar" when i disagreed with them,  and there have been a ton of people way worse than i am.

it's a poor excuse. 

 just sayin

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 13, 2011

you are right,  this screams the "probability" factor,  and that's exactly why i am underlining it.

what is the "probability" that something like this could happen to an individual,  and still end up calling it just a 'coincidence"?

the probability factor raises what it is intended to in this scenario.

is "it" from God,  is it just a naturally occuring phenomenom, or what other explanation?

being accutely aware of something naturally heightens the probability, yes,  but after awhile,  it becomes difficult to write it off to coincidence or heightened awareness.

everything hinges on the probability factor concerning this.    length,  time, and consistentcy raises questions,  and therefore raises a question mark in a persons mind as to it's origin.

that's a good thing.  why? 

not because i am seeking to raise false hope with anyone concerning the lottery (hence my "only if you are meant to"),  but i am thru the transparency of my life,  by allowing people to observe my life,  they too can "observe" that God is real,  and not some mythical fabrication.

there is no way you will ever see me telling someone else this can happen to them too,  because it may or may not.

that's not the point of this,  as per my explantion to gamermom above.

you have seen my "views" expressed in the QP's vs systems threads about how stringent i am against false hope,  and in this scenario i am discussing here,  i would seek to steer away from it even more stridently.

i cannot control how people will add this all up in their mind,  and i know human nature means there will be those that totally misinterpret this,  that they too can duplicate this if they expend "just enough faith".

that is not how this occurs.

if it happens,  it happens,  and the idea is to roll with it until it's conclusion

not sure what you meant about the "iraq" comment,  can you explain?

i know for me,  during previous experiences where these scenario's came to pass,  the "methodology" was more hit and run,  and spread out over time on an occasional basis.   but those too were "enough" that i knew.

this time it is incessant.  everyday for nearly 3 years. 

going back to your iraq comment,  i am still at a semi loss as to why God feels the need to bomb me with this.

He surely didn't need to do it everyday for this long TO get my attention and allegiance

maybe it's not for my benefit,  but for the benefit of others,  so that they can observe that He is in fact real

i know one things for sure,  the non coincidental nature of all this,  coupled by the time and date stamp aspect means it will eventually validate itself as being "from God"

however that shakes out,  and whoever that attracts because it eventually validates,  that is beyond my concern and pay grade as they say.   i just go along for the ride,  and see where the ride takes me

it has already passed the 'probability test'  more than 2 years ago.

remember,  unless joker's streak is intact,  he went 2 days.    mine is nearly 3 years.

nope,  i will never be an accessory to the crime of "false hope"

"not sure what you meant about the 'iraq' comment,  can you explain?"

It was an effort to point out that the number of references to a specific country that you observe as you move through your life will tend to be proportional to the country's involvement in and interest to the world at large.  If for some reason Kiribati had initially caught your attention rather than France, I doubt if we would be having this discussion.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by GamerMom on Jun 13, 2011

The law of attraction is a mighty thing...

GamerMom,

The Law of Attractions is only half the story.

Unless someone couples the law of attraction with the law of detatchment they create a "prison of expectation" for themself.

In other words, they become obsessed with something materializing just because they've mentally attempted to manifest it.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 13, 2011

"not sure what you meant about the 'iraq' comment,  can you explain?"

It was an effort to point out that the number of references to a specific country that you observe as you move through your life will tend to be proportional to the country's involvement in and interest to the world at large.  If for some reason Kiribati had initially caught your attention rather than France, I doubt if we would be having this discussion.

oh,  got it now Thumbs Up

i totally get what you are saying,  and i already addressed that concern from 2 different angles.

i made the notation when i was having a conversation with joker that if he wanted to take my "theory" out for a test drive himself,  that he could do it by picking a a term that was common,  but yet had just enough "randomness" in it that he wasn't going to stumble across it every 5 min.

you know terms we all could come up with that cross the line of "commoness" vs "probability", to make it rediculously easy to remove the probability factor,  and turn it into an expected result.

joker chose "pumperknickle",  and i implored him to pick something way more common to give himself more of a fair chance at this.   so you see,  i stacked the odds of my claim against me,  as i should do while factoring in my claim.

certainly,  no one can make the claim that france is so common in our society that it makes the 'that's far too common' dismissle.

we live in the US,  and while the mention of france is not UNcommon in our sphere of existence,  it surely doesn't qualify as an everyday occurance term.   certainly not everyday for nearly 3 years in a row,  not anywhere close to being "that common".

if God deemed it necessary,  a purple pageant donkey from kiribati would come across the course of my life everyday for 30 years.

in this case,  for an eventual specific reason,  it happens to be france.

the joker / pumperknickle thing was cute,  but WAY too random for my taste,  considering what i am offering up as an attached claim.

it should be easier for him,  so with him living in florida,  maybe he shouldn't pick "florida" as his barometer test subject,  but certainly "california" is a 1,000 times more common than france any day of the week.

now that would be a fair test.   more common than france,   and see how many days he goes with it occuring while going thru the normal course of his day.

remember the premise here that does seek to qualify this ----->  nearly 3 years in a row daily,  and "unbroken"

italy.   italy is probably on even par with the commonality factor of france in this country.  maybe even more so.

see how many days in a row you can experience that,  and get back to us.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

and just to be straight,  i wasn't bagging on gamermom's belief in the "law of attraction",  she has an equal foot to stand on in here.

what i was doing is making sure no one attempted to attach the "law of attraction" to what is happening to me, and there was that possibility,  that someone reading that might write it off to that,  thereby minimizing it's origin

that is 100% not what this is,  and no one can duplicate it with incorporating that mindset (or any other),   so i needed to protect the integrity of "how" it is happening to me,  so that God gets credit above some "methodology"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i am reading an article about lance armstrong running into tyler hamilton (what are the odds...lol) at a restaurant in aspen.

it was a french restaurant,  but,  what i thought was more funny is that i suggested to jimmy that he pick "italy" as his test drive.

look at the article. 

 

it initially says "itallian",  then who ever wrote the article crosses out italian,  and writes french instead.

who writes an article,  and intentionally puts a slash mark thru it,  then retains it ?

that's a little weird

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Lance-Armstrong-8217-s-awkward-encounter-with-T?urn=oly-wp316

i just thought it to be a bit funny given the previous conversation

wizeguy's avatarwizeguy

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 12, 2011

All joking aside VISION, I have to either give you credit for what happened to me today, or cough it up as coincidence.

There's a new channel that premiered in Southwest Florida last week called "MeTv" Stands for "Memorable Entertainment Tv".

They show old sitcoms and westerns from the late 60's to the mid 70's, some even late 50's like Gunsmoke. Anyways, today I was watching Laverne and Shirley on that new channel, and both Laverne and Shirley were dressed up in French maid uniforms in order to act as workers in a hotel where a famous singer was staying, so they could get as close as possible. I didn't pay too much mind, even though in the back of my head I remembered your French stuff.

After that show came on "My three Sons" . The storyline revolved around Ernie having ESP. Then that old 70's show "Family Affair came on after laverne and Shirley. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears when I remembered that the butler was named Mr. French. That just totally blew me away.

You can check it online If you don't believe me. You can see their line-up from earlier today...maybe...I dunno.

I have to say that was weird, but if you think about it, anyone who is looking for something will see it everday. You may claim that you're not specifically searching out for it, but in the back of your mind, you're unconsciously looking for it.

The past 3 days I've encountered the word France or Paris. I've since forgotten the details but... we'll see what happens tomorrow

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by wizeguy on Jun 14, 2011

The past 3 days I've encountered the word France or Paris. I've since forgotten the details but... we'll see what happens tomorrow

I believe I know what this whole France thing means. There's a lot of Muslims living in France. There well may be a terrorist living among them blowing things up.....

For 30 years, God has been leading  Visiondude to the final stages of his revelations. His incessant observance has led to others responding in a lottery news forum which just happens to be the largest Lottery forum in the world.

Now because of this enlightenment, a possible act of terror can be diffused...

You can thank Todd....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

well,  i was hoping for a nice apt on the promenade de anglais in nice france with an ocean front view,  but ok,  if that's what it is..

should i start shopping the net for a custom fitted bomb intervention suit?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 14, 2011

well,  i was hoping for a nice apt on the promenade de anglais in nice france with an ocean front view,  but ok,  if that's what it is..

should i start shopping the net for a custom fitted bomb intervention suit?

Green laugh

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

since you suggested it,  you go in first,  and i will follow.

you can trust me Wink

you know what they say......"you can swim in shark infested waters,  and you don't have to be the fastest swimmer, just faster than your buddy behind you"

 

scrolling thru the movie channels,  some movie about juila childs called "julie and julia" was in the offering from 12am till  2:05am on the sk&fm channel.    evidently according to the description of what the movie was about ...."the art of french cooking"

i did not bite,  pun intended,  but it was after 12am,  so it counts

 

i did not however "observe" a  purple pageant donkey from kiribati,  and well,  now that my curiosity has been kindled,  i kinda wanna see what one even looks like,  let alone 1,035 of them in a row (approximately speaking)

joker17

                                                         donkey

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 14, 2011

                                                         donkey

good one.  Cheers

now i am not big into animal husbandry,  so i could be off by a country or two,  but if you ask me......

...... that's a pumperknickle colored donkey from ubetchastan

could qualify as a "pageant donkey",   because it is wearing a coronation bouquet bush on his head

if this pic contained a geo tag,  i bet it would confirm that's france just over the grassy knoll Wink

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 13, 2011

The probability issues raised by your discussion of observations of references to France has analogues in the lottery and gaming.  You are not helping people understand the randomness of the lottery by alluding to something other than randomness in this case.

If another person traveling with you 24/7 over the last decade had an attraction like yours to, say, Iraq, I wonder which of you would have received the most "hits?"  Smile

hey jimmy,  you are a huge fan of test driving and statistical analysis,  have you been conducting your own personal science experiment on this issue,   in order to observe the probability factor?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 14, 2011

good one.  Cheers

now i am not big into animal husbandry,  so i could be off by a country or two,  but if you ask me......

...... that's a pumperknickle colored donkey from ubetchastan

could qualify as a "pageant donkey",   because it is wearing a coronation bouquet bush on his head

if this pic contained a geo tag,  i bet it would confirm that's france just over the grassy knoll Wink

Wow, I didn't notice the bush over it's head...too weird..

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

just went in the bedroom to turn on the tv and playing on the USA channel right now is a show called "covert affairs"

i never watch that show,  and it wasn't precorded,  so the tv was on that channel from yesterday.

the storyline is in paris france

i turned the tv on,  and that was what was on,  i did not scan channels and come across it.

what are the odds of that "coincidence"?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

unless someone for some reason wants to discuss this further as to the "origin" or the probability thereof,  i am not going to come back to this thread and "bomb it" (lol)  everytime i come across an occurance.

i already demonstrated it is occuring,  including giving avenues where you could check out whether i was telling the truth or not.

i don't see the need to continue this everyday,  so instead,  i have installed a "watch' on my signature.

until that gets taken down,  "it's" still been happening everyday,  and it will happen everyday,  until i arrive at the intersection that God has designed this little adventure for

au revoir

évidemment je m'attends à ce que Dieu fasse ce qui a l'air d'être impossible. 

Il est censé faire l'impossible.

Il est Dieu, vous savez ?

(online translators are cool)

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Vive l'amour

Vive la guerre

Vive le vive le mercenaire!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr
Dieu bénisse l'Amérique!
sully16's avatarsully16

Serviette ?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

c'est étrange, jimmy4164 n'a pas répondu à ma question quant à si vraiment il le met à travers sa machine à laver de chances personnelle. 

j'aurais cru qu'il aurait été partout dans cela comme un âne de spectacle historique pumperknickle d'ubetchastan

 

wizeguy's "streak" must have ended after 2 days.   he was supposed to come back and report in,  but never did. 

 sometimes (not all of the time)  people don't follow thru on those things,  because they know if they do,  it's lends credibility to things people like myself claim.    i hope not.   i hope it was just a case of "they forgot"

 

i think joker's lasted 2 - 3 days.      i know why he totally dropped the subject, and never referred to it again.

it's cool,  at least we where laughing,  and getting along there if but for uno momento

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 15, 2011

c'est étrange, jimmy4164 n'a pas répondu à ma question quant à si vraiment il le met à travers sa machine à laver de chances personnelle. 

j'aurais cru qu'il aurait été partout dans cela comme un âne de spectacle historique pumperknickle d'ubetchastan

 

wizeguy's "streak" must have ended after 2 days.   he was supposed to come back and report in,  but never did. 

 sometimes (not all of the time)  people don't follow thru on those things,  because they know if they do,  it's lends credibility to things people like myself claim.    i hope not.   i hope it was just a case of "they forgot"

 

i think joker's lasted 2 - 3 days.      i know why he totally dropped the subject, and never referred to it again.

it's cool,  at least we where laughing,  and getting along there if but for uno momento

It doesn't lend credibility to anything except for the fact that you're looking for France related info, so you'll find it, yes even everyday.

Secondly, I have to see proof that you're seeing it everyday. You could have easily fabricated this just to vindicate yourself.

Even If you're telling the truth, it means nothing. That doesn't prove that the Christian God is the correct one. There is no clear correlation pointing France to a Christian God.

Yes we did have a little laugh here and there, but you had to go and spoil it by once again accusing me of hiding and not responding because it may show credibility  in your favor. Like I said a thousand times before, there are plenty of other contradictions that prove no religion can be correct, especially the Christian variety.

Here we go again...lol

GamerMom's avatarGamerMom

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 13, 2011

GamerMom,

The Law of Attractions is only half the story.

Unless someone couples the law of attraction with the law of detatchment they create a "prison of expectation" for themself.

In other words, they become obsessed with something materializing just because they've mentally attempted to manifest it.

Indeed.  And don't forget the Law of Least Effort.  If you can visualize and let go your manifestations will be significant....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 15, 2011

It doesn't lend credibility to anything except for the fact that you're looking for France related info, so you'll find it, yes even everyday.

Secondly, I have to see proof that you're seeing it everyday. You could have easily fabricated this just to vindicate yourself.

Even If you're telling the truth, it means nothing. That doesn't prove that the Christian God is the correct one. There is no clear correlation pointing France to a Christian God.

Yes we did have a little laugh here and there, but you had to go and spoil it by once again accusing me of hiding and not responding because it may show credibility  in your favor. Like I said a thousand times before, there are plenty of other contradictions that prove no religion can be correct, especially the Christian variety.

Here we go again...lol

"...no religion can be correct, especially the Christian variety."

 

Let me see if I can guess why it's "especially the Christian variety" that is wrong.

I know!

It's because we're told to kill all the infidels and because we especially enjoy slowly sawing off the heads of those who disagree with us!

Right?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 15, 2011

"...no religion can be correct, especially the Christian variety."

 

Let me see if I can guess why it's "especially the Christian variety" that is wrong.

I know!

It's because we're told to kill all the infidels and because we especially enjoy slowly sawing off the heads of those who disagree with us!

Right?

Would you like me to post all the contradictions ?

I never condoned beheadings, so why do you assume I'm a terrorist?

I don't think I'll ever get where you're coming from.

You nor any other religious fanatic has any basis for their belief. It's just that, a belief, faith in a belief system. Nothing less, nothing more.

I just happen to know more about Christianity than any other religion. That's why i use Christianity in most of my examples.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 15, 2011

Would you like me to post all the contradictions ?

I never condoned beheadings, so why do you assume I'm a terrorist?

I don't think I'll ever get where you're coming from.

You nor any other religious fanatic has any basis for their belief. It's just that, a belief, faith in a belief system. Nothing less, nothing more.

I just happen to know more about Christianity than any other religion. That's why i use Christianity in most of my examples.

Then don't get bent out of shape when you get flak for criticizing Christians exclusively in a Christian country.

You have it made here.

If you criticized muslims in Iran they would have chopped your head off long ago.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 15, 2011

It doesn't lend credibility to anything except for the fact that you're looking for France related info, so you'll find it, yes even everyday.

Secondly, I have to see proof that you're seeing it everyday. You could have easily fabricated this just to vindicate yourself.

Even If you're telling the truth, it means nothing. That doesn't prove that the Christian God is the correct one. There is no clear correlation pointing France to a Christian God.

Yes we did have a little laugh here and there, but you had to go and spoil it by once again accusing me of hiding and not responding because it may show credibility  in your favor. Like I said a thousand times before, there are plenty of other contradictions that prove no religion can be correct, especially the Christian variety.

Here we go again...lol

ahhh no joker.    you come after Christianity specifically because you have some personal angst about it.

there have been enough of other "opportunities"  (religions)  for you to blast away at,  but you really don't.

maybe you have more knowledge about Christianity than the 'others",  but it's not true you give everyone equal treatment.

*******************************************************************************************

to answer your above post

(1)  i already proved to you it isn't a matter of me going and hunting down things about "france",   it's they come my way without me "looking for them".

you read where i posted last night that i tuned on the tv and it was already on.  it came to me,  not me to "it"

(2) i tried to show you proof,  but you ran in the other direction.

i put my personal anonymity on the line,  and agreed to let you make the arrangements so someone could view my writted journal.  a history chronicled of what's been happening to me,  and you excused your way away from it.

your the one that doesn't want "proof",  so you "demanding proof" is a joke.   when i do,  out comes your excuses

(3)  your out of your mind if you think i need to fabricate anything.   i don't need to lie.

that's just another excuse you need to front in order for you to excuse yourself awawy from what's happening.

remember,  you are the one that's running the other direction.   me,  i keep coming to the table.

(4) i serve the "Christian God" (as you say),  so if what's happening is from God,  guess which one gets the credit?

somethings going on that supercedes even your imagination,  because no matter what excuse you can serve up,  it's an impossibility that it could happen for nearly 3 years without "God" being behind it.

what's interesting,  is i even gave you the help you needed to duplicate it to test it,  and you ran from that too.

funny how you did that after you claimed i do that everyday

why did i keep you on the hook about this?     because you have no problem hitting up Christians and Christianity on thier "inconsistentcies",  so now,  it's your turn for someone to highlight the inconsistentcy in your position.

and the truth is.....your not the least bit interested in "proof".

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 15, 2011

Then don't get bent out of shape when you get flak for criticizing Christians exclusively in a Christian country.

You have it made here.

If you criticized muslims in Iran they would have chopped your head off long ago.

Who's getting bent out of shape?

Why is it that when I respond to something you write, I'm getting bent out of shape?

But when you respond, it's just a response simple and clean?

I don't sympathize with Iranian radicals, just as much as I don't sympathize with radicals like you. Yeah, I know, you don't chop heads off, but you're just as annoying sometimes.

Get over it dude.....I have as much right to disagree. When are you gonna get this thru your head?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 15, 2011

ahhh no joker.    you come after Christianity specifically because you have some personal angst about it.

there have been enough of other "opportunities"  (religions)  for you to blast away at,  but you really don't.

maybe you have more knowledge about Christianity than the 'others",  but it's not true you give everyone equal treatment.

*******************************************************************************************

to answer your above post

(1)  i already proved to you it isn't a matter of me going and hunting down things about "france",   it's they come my way without me "looking for them".

you read where i posted last night that i tuned on the tv and it was already on.  it came to me,  not me to "it"

(2) i tried to show you proof,  but you ran in the other direction.

i put my personal anonymity on the line,  and agreed to let you make the arrangements so someone could view my writted journal.  a history chronicled of what's been happening to me,  and you excused your way away from it.

your the one that doesn't want "proof",  so you "demanding proof" is a joke.   when i do,  out comes your excuses

(3)  your out of your mind if you think i need to fabricate anything.   i don't need to lie.

that's just another excuse you need to front in order for you to excuse yourself awawy from what's happening.

remember,  you are the one that's running the other direction.   me,  i keep coming to the table.

(4) i serve the "Christian God" (as you say),  so if what's happening is from God,  guess which one gets the credit?

somethings going on that supercedes even your imagination,  because no matter what excuse you can serve up,  it's an impossibility that it could happen for nearly 3 years without "God" being behind it.

what's interesting,  is i even gave you the help you needed to duplicate it to test it,  and you ran from that too.

funny how you did that after you claimed i do that everyday

why did i keep you on the hook about this?     because you have no problem hitting up Christians and Christianity on thier "inconsistentcies",  so now,  it's your turn for someone to highlight the inconsistentcy in your position.

and the truth is.....your not the least bit interested in "proof".

Show me the proof. Until then, it's all fluff....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 15, 2011

Who's getting bent out of shape?

Why is it that when I respond to something you write, I'm getting bent out of shape?

But when you respond, it's just a response simple and clean?

I don't sympathize with Iranian radicals, just as much as I don't sympathize with radicals like you. Yeah, I know, you don't chop heads off, but you're just as annoying sometimes.

Get over it dude.....I have as much right to disagree. When are you gonna get this thru your head?

Are you listening to yourself?

Of all the religions in the world, you think you need to straighten out the Christians?

Listen, I don't care which religion you know the most about, you gotta be some kinda nut to think it's the Christians who need your educating.

There is wholesale butchering and slaughter going on right now, everyday, all over the world in the name of allah!

And what are you concerned about? - Some Christian lady saying she prayed to Saint So and So to win the lottery. And she's not asking anyone to join her.

Can you not discern between good and evil?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 15, 2011

Show me the proof. Until then, it's all fluff....

I gave you instructions on how we can make that happen, so make it happen.

Do it so we can both agree on the anonymity aspect, and you can bet your life I will step up

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

And remember, you can do your own test.

Just you not doing that alone, tells everyone here your not here for "proof".

So much so, you reject your " own proof"..

Feadogger
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their Christian Louboutins.  Wink
wizeguy's avatarwizeguy

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 15, 2011

c'est étrange, jimmy4164 n'a pas répondu à ma question quant à si vraiment il le met à travers sa machine à laver de chances personnelle. 

j'aurais cru qu'il aurait été partout dans cela comme un âne de spectacle historique pumperknickle d'ubetchastan

 

wizeguy's "streak" must have ended after 2 days.   he was supposed to come back and report in,  but never did. 

 sometimes (not all of the time)  people don't follow thru on those things,  because they know if they do,  it's lends credibility to things people like myself claim.    i hope not.   i hope it was just a case of "they forgot"

 

i think joker's lasted 2 - 3 days.      i know why he totally dropped the subject, and never referred to it again.

it's cool,  at least we where laughing,  and getting along there if but for uno momento

What I forgot was saying "we'll see...". streak is still going at 5 days now as long as Paris, Ky counts. Don't expect me to keep a journal or to report in daily

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 15, 2011

Are you listening to yourself?

Of all the religions in the world, you think you need to straighten out the Christians?

Listen, I don't care which religion you know the most about, you gotta be some kinda nut to think it's the Christians who need your educating.

There is wholesale butchering and slaughter going on right now, everyday, all over the world in the name of allah!

And what are you concerned about? - Some Christian lady saying she prayed to Saint So and So to win the lottery. And she's not asking anyone to join her.

Can you not discern between good and evil?

I'm sorry dude. You simply don't get it, or don't want to get it.

All religions claim they are right and everyone else is wrong. What part of this don't you get?

Yes I can discern between good and evil. I think it's evil to brainwash your children by telling them false stories and not allowing them to learn all religions so they can make up their minds for themselves. Or to mutilate their genitals in the name of religion. Or bomb abortion clinics, or go to soldier's funerals and say God allowed this because the U.S. is evil, or affect national policies based on religious beliefs, the list goes on and on.

Surely those crazy humans are blowing each other up in the middle east but you can't talk to those people, they're fanatics. Telling them they are nuts won't help, but telling civil people they are brainwashed may wake them up from their stupor. Evidently it hasn't heped you one bit.

Again, I'm not trying to tell folks what to do. I simply offer a logical alternative. Stubborn Christians like you can't take the heat because it might shatter everything you've been indoctrinated with. I get it, I know how it seems like a blow to all that you know. You can't handle the truth. Not my fault.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

I gave you instructions on how we can make that happen, so make it happen.

Do it so we can both agree on the anonymity aspect, and you can bet your life I will step up

More fluff.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

joker17,

As you're so fond of saying, "Oh the irony".

It's very curious that you have such a problem with religions, especially Christinaity, yet are willing to search the world for a (non-existenet) system to beat the lottery or the racetracks.

Oh the irony.

Scared

I'm just sayin'...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 16, 2011

joker17,

As you're so fond of saying, "Oh the irony".

It's very curious that you have such a problem with religions, especially Christinaity, yet are willing to search the world for a (non-existenet) system to beat the lottery or the racetracks.

Oh the irony.

Scared

I'm just sayin'...

Only in your mind are you convinced that there is no system. The owner of the dog racing method has proven himself publicly to the world as the best in the business. He even has a place in a Las Vegas casino that recognizes his achievments. Greyhound magazine's editor folloed him around for weeks and he proved to him 3 different times that he made hundreds of thousands before the eitor would print an article about him.

The only reason I stopped using the system was that it takes a 3 year learning curve to get it down to where you can make a living off it, and I don't have that much patience.

I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months. But you need at least 3 ot 5 thousand bucks bankroll to start, which I will be doing in a year or so.

 Plus my friend at work who's daughter's friend will hopefully reveal to me next week or so how he paid off 3 tuitions and makes a living off it with the p-3.

Maybe you should do your homework before making ignorant remarks. If you've never seen a system that  works the majority of the time, then I guess it doesn't exist. Mr. know-it-all who worked in the casino knows everything there is to know about everything. If you never saw it, must not exist.

You are sounding more pathetic with the passage of time.

I'm just sayin....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

More fluff.

for several years you have fly swatted at people who believe with your remarks.

rarely do you open with a serious offering,  it's usually some angst induced disrespectful swipe.

it's who you are, we get that,  and although most of us would wish you would park your angst in favor of respect,  we have resigned ourselves that's the way you will always be.

that's fine.

what is snot fine,  you rake people over the coals about this,  then you come in here demanding proof when someone debates you, and when they offer it up, you run the other way......discounting it without looking at it or considering it.

it's your life,  so tell yourself your a man that plays fair on this issue all you want,  but until you actully replicate truth in life,  it's a joke

i have physical proof of which i offered for you to view it.   instead of maning up about it,  you made (yet) another excuse.

like i said,  you are not the least bit interested in "proof". 

all you are interested in,  is trying make "it" go away by not looking at it,  and making excuses

at your current rate,  you won't be able to "excuse" your way out of an eternal consequence,  whatever that may be.

whoever God is,  He will have standards for you to review and adjust to before you die,  and if you have refused until you die,  when you die and you stand before Him,  you wont be able to post Him video's,  you won't be able to rant your way out of it,  you won't be able to blame anyone else for things they did to you in the name of "Christianity",  and as brave as you act now,  your "excuses"  won't buy you any more time.

it's clear you not looking for proof,  your looking to make it ....."not true"

and in comparison to the storms you inspire in here,  that's a joke

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by wizeguy on Jun 16, 2011

What I forgot was saying "we'll see...". streak is still going at 5 days now as long as Paris, Ky counts. Don't expect me to keep a journal or to report in daily

it's cool.  Thumbs Up

i just thought you were saying you were going to check in,  etc

"paris KY" has actually been a hit on my hit parade

it contains "paris",  so it counts.   so long as you don't live in paris KY, and have the chance to see it everyday on your mail, etc.

even still,  over the course of nearly 3 years,  a person is bound to travel,  get sick,  find themselves in situations that extremely limit their ability to encounter these things.....lack of internet / TV, etc.

so,  on the eventual scale,  you could live in france,  and not come across the words "french,  france,  paris" 

on the eventuality / addition scale...."it" happening unbroken as a daily occurance for nearly 3 years straight is....

.....just a koinkadink Wink

btw,  even "paris hilton" counts.   not that it should have the right to,  but it does....Green laugh

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

it's cool.  Thumbs Up

i just thought you were saying you were going to check in,  etc

"paris KY" has actually been a hit on my hit parade

it contains "paris",  so it counts.   so long as you don't live in paris KY, and have the chance to see it everyday on your mail, etc.

even still,  over the course of nearly 3 years,  a person is bound to travel,  get sick,  find themselves in situations that extremely limit their ability to encounter these things.....lack of internet / TV, etc.

so,  on the eventual scale,  you could live in france,  and not come across the words "french,  france,  paris" 

on the eventuality / addition scale...."it" happening unbroken as a daily occurance for nearly 3 years straight is....

.....just a koinkadink Wink

btw,  even "paris hilton" counts.   not that it should have the right to,  but it does....Green laugh

now that i think about it joker,  you would refuse to believe even if i won the lottery......

....... in france

you would call it "fluff",  or some lame rediculousness,  so you can convince yourself temporarily "it's not true".

 

i am a guy that backs up what i claim,  so i will see if i can (finallly) figure out how to post pics on LP,  and when and if i can,  i will post pics of the pages of my journal.

not for your benefit,  because now it has become apparent a guy like me doesn't waste something as significant like this on a guy like you who isn't the least bit interested anyway,  but because i am a finisher in life.

making sure i see things thru to the end,  backing up what i claim by keeping my word,  instead of running in the other direction...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

for several years you have fly swatted at people who believe with your remarks.

rarely do you open with a serious offering,  it's usually some angst induced disrespectful swipe.

it's who you are, we get that,  and although most of us would wish you would park your angst in favor of respect,  we have resigned ourselves that's the way you will always be.

that's fine.

what is snot fine,  you rake people over the coals about this,  then you come in here demanding proof when someone debates you, and when they offer it up, you run the other way......discounting it without looking at it or considering it.

it's your life,  so tell yourself your a man that plays fair on this issue all you want,  but until you actully replicate truth in life,  it's a joke

i have physical proof of which i offered for you to view it.   instead of maning up about it,  you made (yet) another excuse.

like i said,  you are not the least bit interested in "proof". 

all you are interested in,  is trying make "it" go away by not looking at it,  and making excuses

at your current rate,  you won't be able to "excuse" your way out of an eternal consequence,  whatever that may be.

whoever God is,  He will have standards for you to review and adjust to before you die,  and if you have refused until you die,  when you die and you stand before Him,  you wont be able to post Him video's,  you won't be able to rant your way out of it,  you won't be able to blame anyone else for things they did to you in the name of "Christianity",  and as brave as you act now,  your "excuses"  won't buy you any more time.

it's clear you not looking for proof,  your looking to make it ....."not true"

and in comparison to the storms you inspire in here,  that's a joke

I'm really getting tired of repeating myself over and over again.

Testimonials are not proof to me. You can't prove you see France everyday, and If you could prove it, there is no tie to whether the God Of the Christians is the correct one, or any other God.

I'm not running away, just tired of repeating myself.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

now that i think about it joker,  you would refuse to believe even if i won the lottery......

....... in france

you would call it "fluff",  or some lame rediculousness,  so you can convince yourself temporarily "it's not true".

 

i am a guy that backs up what i claim,  so i will see if i can (finallly) figure out how to post pics on LP,  and when and if i can,  i will post pics of the pages of my journal.

not for your benefit,  because now it has become apparent a guy like me doesn't waste something as significant like this on a guy like you who isn't the least bit interested anyway,  but because i am a finisher in life.

making sure i see things thru to the end,  backing up what i claim by keeping my word,  instead of running in the other direction...

That's a good one. You're going to look for pictures of the word France in magazines and post them here as proof. Ya, OK.....

I was having fun a few days ago, but now I firmly believe you are out of your mind !

Green laugh

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

That's a good one. You're going to look for pictures of the word France in magazines and post them here as proof. Ya, OK.....

I was having fun a few days ago, but now I firmly believe you are out of your mind !

Green laugh

Nope.....from my journal

Archived / dated entries that prove it has been happening everyday.

"Even if you could, its not proof"......

Not for a guy like you who picks agenda over facts it wouldn't be

But for a man who reasons things out and does FACTUAL addition....it does.

You happen to be one of those guys that wouldn't recognize proof if it came in the form of cab fare with a $1000 tip...

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

joker17,

The only reason I stopped using the system was that it takes a 3 year learning curve to get it down to where you can make a living off it, and I don't have that much patience.

I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months. But you need at least 3 ot 5 thousand bucks bankroll to start, which I will be doing in a year or so.

The keys there are deep enough pockets to sustain a three year learning curve or a 5 large BR to start playing with.

That's not you average players trying to make a little something extra to get ahead.

We had a guy in Vegas who had a way to beat the dog tracks. So the sports books barred him. Nice system until no one will book your action, then where are you?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

I'm really getting tired of repeating myself over and over again.

Testimonials are not proof to me. You can't prove you see France everyday, and If you could prove it, there is no tie to whether the God Of the Christians is the correct one, or any other God.

I'm not running away, just tired of repeating myself.

First you say this:

"I'm really getting tired of repeating myself over and over again.

 

Testimonials are not proof to me."

 

 

 

Then you say this:

"I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months."

 

So please explain to me how you reconcile those two statements.

Why do you say that you don't believe testimonials and then give a second-hand  testimonial from some guy on the internet who told you he won $250,000 playing Pick4 in 6 months?

Now, you didn't say this person says  he won a quarter mill. You said he won a quarter mill. That's you saying it. So obviously you saw the proof because you don't believe testimonials.

Ok then, let's see the proof.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

First you say this:

"I'm really getting tired of repeating myself over and over again.

 

Testimonials are not proof to me."

 

 

 

Then you say this:

"I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months."

 

So please explain to me how you reconcile those two statements.

Why do you say that you don't believe testimonials and then give a second-hand  testimonial from some guy on the internet who told you he won $250,000 playing Pick4 in 6 months?

Now, you didn't say this person says  he won a quarter mill. You said he won a quarter mill. That's you saying it. So obviously you saw the proof because you don't believe testimonials.

Ok then, let's see the proof.

the above post is a perfect example of why i ride his purple pumperknickle pageant donkey up and down the halls of LP.

the inconsistencty of his words,  and his ensuing actions in comparison to his words.       they don't match up

i cannot wait for the "explantion" out of this most recent spotlight,  but you can bet it will look like this -----> Puke

 

he screams "foul" all the time,  but refuses to confirm todd had that conversation with me in 2008.  gee, i wonder why?

i offer up my anonymity to him,  to show him physical documented evidence, so that i can demonstrate i am a man of my word,  and he totally wusses on that.    nevermind,  i know why...

 

doesn't even have the guts to straight up call me a liar,  and that i am only making it up.

he has to,  otherwise he has to give an 'explanation' how something like that could happen everyday for nearly 3 years.

(1)  i am either lying about it.     (and don't call it "fabrication",  that's the politically correct wuss term.  it's lying,  if that's what it is).

(2)  or there has to be a reasonable explanation why it's happening outside of Gods orchaestration,  because for that length of time,  if you pick truth over agenda on any side of your coin,  it's still impossible for anyone to duplicate that on thier own.

(joker's "experiment" only lasted 2 days)

(3)  or it is orchaestrated by God    (which is exactly what i claim it is,  mirroring the consistentcy i have maintained in LP for all the years i have been here.....never altering that "position" a millimeter ever)

 

the fact that joker has never addressed 1,2 or 3......indicates all one needs to know about him, in deciphering his motives in these threads

he doesn't have the guts to call me a liar,  because he knows i am not,  and refused to prove i "was",  by not confirming with todd.   he won't make the arrangements necessary to view my journal because he knows i am not lying about it.

which effectively reduces him to choices 2 and 3.

trouble is,  he doesn't have an "explanation" to explain the number 2 phenomenom.

which if we apply the math,  reduces him down to number 1.   and we all know how he feels about #1,  because we experience his angst about it on a regular basis.

which drives his nutzo,  and makes him think he HAS to climb back up the factual addition scale,  to "believe' #2 and #1 so he can continue his "quest"

go ahead joker,  man up,  and mirror your persona in here by straight up calling me a liar,  that i am either lying about parts or all of it.    if i lie about anything once, my whole house of cards at LP burns to the ground,  so go ahead and do it,  so we can all view it publically,  so we will all have a recorded history to review someday.

go ahead,  i dare you,  you will not hurt my feelings,  and it will in the long run serve my purpose.

well,   not really "my purpose"

you can't label me delusional,  because i have written proof and eyewitness testimony

you HAVE to call me a liar

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 16, 2011

joker17,

The only reason I stopped using the system was that it takes a 3 year learning curve to get it down to where you can make a living off it, and I don't have that much patience.

I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months. But you need at least 3 ot 5 thousand bucks bankroll to start, which I will be doing in a year or so.

The keys there are deep enough pockets to sustain a three year learning curve or a 5 large BR to start playing with.

That's not you average players trying to make a little something extra to get ahead.

We had a guy in Vegas who had a way to beat the dog tracks. So the sports books barred him. Nice system until no one will book your action, then where are you?

Obviously you don't have a clue about dog racing. The track doesn't give to shcmidts how much money a person makes because they make their money up front. The monies given out is parimutel and split amongst the winners...Disapprove

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

First you say this:

"I'm really getting tired of repeating myself over and over again.

 

Testimonials are not proof to me."

 

 

 

Then you say this:

"I also know someone who uses Wisconsin p-4 and plays online. This person has made over a quarter of a million bucks in the last 6 months."

 

So please explain to me how you reconcile those two statements.

Why do you say that you don't believe testimonials and then give a second-hand  testimonial from some guy on the internet who told you he won $250,000 playing Pick4 in 6 months?

Now, you didn't say this person says  he won a quarter mill. You said he won a quarter mill. That's you saying it. So obviously you saw the proof because you don't believe testimonials.

Ok then, let's see the proof.

He gave me the numbers ahead of time, before the draw for a period of a month so I can see for myself. This person plays a lot of numbers in the p-4. But when this person wins, this person wins multiple times straight. Only plays staright online for maximum payoff.

This person is willing to give me the same numbers played in Wisconsin, but I don't have the bankroll to start, just yet.

It was proven to me beforehand.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

the above post is a perfect example of why i ride his purple pumperknickle pageant donkey up and down the halls of LP.

the inconsistencty of his words,  and his ensuing actions in comparison to his words.       they don't match up

i cannot wait for the "explantion" out of this most recent spotlight,  but you can bet it will look like this -----> Puke

 

he screams "foul" all the time,  but refuses to confirm todd had that conversation with me in 2008.  gee, i wonder why?

i offer up my anonymity to him,  to show him physical documented evidence, so that i can demonstrate i am a man of my word,  and he totally wusses on that.    nevermind,  i know why...

 

doesn't even have the guts to straight up call me a liar,  and that i am only making it up.

he has to,  otherwise he has to give an 'explanation' how something like that could happen everyday for nearly 3 years.

(1)  i am either lying about it.     (and don't call it "fabrication",  that's the politically correct wuss term.  it's lying,  if that's what it is).

(2)  or there has to be a reasonable explanation why it's happening outside of Gods orchaestration,  because for that length of time,  if you pick truth over agenda on any side of your coin,  it's still impossible for anyone to duplicate that on thier own.

(joker's "experiment" only lasted 2 days)

(3)  or it is orchaestrated by God    (which is exactly what i claim it is,  mirroring the consistentcy i have maintained in LP for all the years i have been here.....never altering that "position" a millimeter ever)

 

the fact that joker has never addressed 1,2 or 3......indicates all one needs to know about him, in deciphering his motives in these threads

he doesn't have the guts to call me a liar,  because he knows i am not,  and refused to prove i "was",  by not confirming with todd.   he won't make the arrangements necessary to view my journal because he knows i am not lying about it.

which effectively reduces him to choices 2 and 3.

trouble is,  he doesn't have an "explanation" to explain the number 2 phenomenom.

which if we apply the math,  reduces him down to number 1.   and we all know how he feels about #1,  because we experience his angst about it on a regular basis.

which drives his nutzo,  and makes him think he HAS to climb back up the factual addition scale,  to "believe' #2 and #1 so he can continue his "quest"

go ahead joker,  man up,  and mirror your persona in here by straight up calling me a liar,  that i am either lying about parts or all of it.    if i lie about anything once, my whole house of cards at LP burns to the ground,  so go ahead and do it,  so we can all view it publically,  so we will all have a recorded history to review someday.

go ahead,  i dare you,  you will not hurt my feelings,  and it will in the long run serve my purpose.

well,   not really "my purpose"

you can't label me delusional,  because i have written proof and eyewitness testimony

you HAVE to call me a liar

YOU'RE A LIAR.....!!!!

Happy?

Actually, i really don't believe you're lying, just twisting the truth or embellishing it. Like I said before, it's possible to look for things like France subconciously. You may not be puposely looking for them, but in the back of your mind you are....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

He gave me the numbers ahead of time, before the draw for a period of a month so I can see for myself. This person plays a lot of numbers in the p-4. But when this person wins, this person wins multiple times straight. Only plays staright online for maximum payoff.

This person is willing to give me the same numbers played in Wisconsin, but I don't have the bankroll to start, just yet.

It was proven to me beforehand.

What are you saying, that we should just believe your testimonial, without proof?

Is that what you do?

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

Obviously you don't have a clue about dog racing. The track doesn't give to shcmidts how much money a person makes because they make their money up front. The monies given out is parimutel and split amongst the winners...Disapprove

joker17,

Obviosuly you just knee-jerk and reply without reading what you're replying to. Did I say the dog track barred him? I said the sportsbook barred him.

A lot of people play at sports and racebooks because the track doesn't make a dime off of them, there's no parking or entry fee or any of that.

Really gone dog and pony bettors move to Nevada for that very reason (if there's no OTB where they live).

As for the Pick 4 system, why not just borrow the 5 large and make your score and post your winning tickets in the winnign ticket thread, if you're that confident about it. Or are you?

Does the guy also give out other number to other people? So many that he's going to show a winner somewhere? Ever heard of Mike W? His Five-Star NFL picks went 15-2 season after season, just ask him.

Just a word to the wise, when Mike Tyson was in his heyday, some of his fights had odds of -2500.  In other words, you had to lay $2500 to win $100 if you bet on Tyson. Then one day he was boxing a guy named Buster Douglas in Japan. The bookies loved that one.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

YOU'RE A LIAR.....!!!!

Happy?

Actually, i really don't believe you're lying, just twisting the truth or embellishing it. Like I said before, it's possible to look for things like France subconciously. You may not be puposely looking for them, but in the back of your mind you are....

twisting the truth or 'embellishing' it  ------>  is lying.

there is no grey area in these matters.

once a person moves one stitch toward twisting the truth,  they have lost all things sacred in the truth game,  and their position falls to the ground in unbelievable fashion (pun intended)

but that's not an explanation when it comes to occurances beyond my control.

i cannot make a student say it,  especially when we were not talking about anything that would lend itself to that.

i cannot "orchaestrate" seeing references to paris or france in a movie where there is no previous indication the movie i was about to see had french references in it. 

how do i "make that happen"?

on and on and on.    if you could eliminate all the days my "french" occurances happened without my making them happen,  and you could subtract those from the streak,  and demonstrate one day  where that broke the streak,  then and only then would you have a case against me of it me just being aware of it.

funny,  i don't see you copying that feat,  since it's so "factual" it's just because i am looking for it.

you know all these anti "contradiction" arguements,  but you refuse to do one simple qualification test of your own.

between the two of us, your the one that's lying about it,  because you can't (and won't) duplicate what you claim is "happening"

it's a running ethical joke in comparisons to your spouting matches

*****************************************************************************************

 

yes i "look" for france everyday,  and you know given my claims ........i have to,  to see if it's still on,   or it's over.

 

i think i said it before,   sometimes it's taken all the way up to around 11:50pm or so to happen before the disqualification time of 12am.    right up to the nubbin,  but hook slides right into home where the umpire has to call "SAAAAAAFE"

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

What are you saying, that we should just believe your testimonial, without proof?

Is that what you do?

I just got done saying he showed me the numbers he was gonna play before the draws, and they hit like he said. That's enough proof for me.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 16, 2011

joker17,

Obviosuly you just knee-jerk and reply without reading what you're replying to. Did I say the dog track barred him? I said the sportsbook barred him.

A lot of people play at sports and racebooks because the track doesn't make a dime off of them, there's no parking or entry fee or any of that.

Really gone dog and pony bettors move to Nevada for that very reason (if there's no OTB where they live).

As for the Pick 4 system, why not just borrow the 5 large and make your score and post your winning tickets in the winnign ticket thread, if you're that confident about it. Or are you?

Does the guy also give out other number to other people? So many that he's going to show a winner somewhere? Ever heard of Mike W? His Five-Star NFL picks went 15-2 season after season, just ask him.

Just a word to the wise, when Mike Tyson was in his heyday, some of his fights had odds of -2500.  In other words, you had to lay $2500 to win $100 if you bet on Tyson. Then one day he was boxing a guy named Buster Douglas in Japan. The bookies loved that one.

You wanna lend me the 5 large?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

twisting the truth or 'embellishing' it  ------>  is lying.

there is no grey area in these matters.

once a person moves one stitch toward twisting the truth,  they have lost all things sacred in the truth game,  and their position falls to the ground in unbelievable fashion (pun intended)

but that's not an explanation when it comes to occurances beyond my control.

i cannot make a student say it,  especially when we were not talking about anything that would lend itself to that.

i cannot "orchaestrate" seeing references to paris or france in a movie where there is no previous indication the movie i was about to see had french references in it. 

how do i "make that happen"?

on and on and on.    if you could eliminate all the days my "french" occurances happened without my making them happen,  and you could subtract those from the streak,  and demonstrate one day  where that broke the streak,  then and only then would you have a case against me of it me just being aware of it.

funny,  i don't see you copying that feat,  since it's so "factual" it's just because i am looking for it.

you know all these anti "contradiction" arguements,  but you refuse to do one simple qualification test of your own.

between the two of us, your the one that's lying about it,  because you can't (and won't) duplicate what you claim is "happening"

it's a running ethical joke in comparisons to your spouting matches

*****************************************************************************************

 

yes i "look" for france everyday,  and you know given my claims ........i have to,  to see if it's still on,   or it's over.

 

i think i said it before,   sometimes it's taken all the way up to around 11:50pm or so to happen before the disqualification time of 12am.    right up to the nubbin,  but hook slides right into home where the umpire has to call "SAAAAAAFE"

More lies....

Give it up already. Your claims are only that...CLAIMS....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

twisting the truth or 'embellishing' it  ------>  is lying.

there is no grey area in these matters.

once a person moves one stitch toward twisting the truth,  they have lost all things sacred in the truth game,  and their position falls to the ground in unbelievable fashion (pun intended)

but that's not an explanation when it comes to occurances beyond my control.

i cannot make a student say it,  especially when we were not talking about anything that would lend itself to that.

i cannot "orchaestrate" seeing references to paris or france in a movie where there is no previous indication the movie i was about to see had french references in it. 

how do i "make that happen"?

on and on and on.    if you could eliminate all the days my "french" occurances happened without my making them happen,  and you could subtract those from the streak,  and demonstrate one day  where that broke the streak,  then and only then would you have a case against me of it me just being aware of it.

funny,  i don't see you copying that feat,  since it's so "factual" it's just because i am looking for it.

you know all these anti "contradiction" arguements,  but you refuse to do one simple qualification test of your own.

between the two of us, your the one that's lying about it,  because you can't (and won't) duplicate what you claim is "happening"

it's a running ethical joke in comparisons to your spouting matches

*****************************************************************************************

 

yes i "look" for france everyday,  and you know given my claims ........i have to,  to see if it's still on,   or it's over.

 

i think i said it before,   sometimes it's taken all the way up to around 11:50pm or so to happen before the disqualification time of 12am.    right up to the nubbin,  but hook slides right into home where the umpire has to call "SAAAAAAFE"

when my reputation is on the line,  i will wait around to see what someone attempts to do to it,  to either actually bother to test out what i say thru provided testable methodologies,  or if they are only interested in their agenda,  and not the "truth".

when it descends that far,   where they pull up just short of calling me a liar in reference to not being willing on my part to back up whatever i am claiming at that conversation,  i reach for the gearshift and throw it into a higher gear.

the last thing you will ever catch me doing in these scenario's is pulling the emergency brake,  or going in reverse.

hence,  here is my "keeping my word"...

my journal pic

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

and another one.  i eliminated portions that contained personal info.   the dates and times are there.

"still france everyday"  doesn't mean occasionally, once in awhile,  only when i "make it happen"

the great thing about my life. .......i don't need to fabricate anything about it.  i just let it happen,  and adjust accordingly.

which is why a guy like me can experience things like these.

guys like you, who don't want to,  never will

france proof

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

that's a crock,  as far as why you "believe" the alledged proof. 

you believe it only because it solely favors something you want to be true.

you suffer from selective proof inhalation.

 

i showed you prior written beforehand proof i had, and you systematically reject it just because it doesn't favor how you want these things to shake out.

you even schickened out of asking todd,  to check behind me to "prove" i was lying

like i said accurately about you,  i could win the lottery in france, and your selective proof inhalation would reach all time toxic levels.   

the excuses on that one would probably make you self implode even

give yourself a break, joker.

"proof" isn't what you run to anyway

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

france, oh yeah

 

 

i could go on ya know.   i do have nearly 3 years of documentation. 

i created a timeline for you and anyone else to examine.

  aug 2008 is my first entry about it after "it" started crossing the line from "ummm, there might BE something here",  to "definetly there is something here,   and i better document it".

aug 2008 till now.      not one day missed on the validation scale.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

You wanna lend me the 5 large?

To play lotto with?

The vig would eat up any winnings you did make.

Scared

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Joker, are you going to at least thank me for doing a job you were unwilling to do?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 16, 2011

france, oh yeah

 

 

i could go on ya know.   i do have nearly 3 years of documentation. 

i created a timeline for you and anyone else to examine.

  aug 2008 is my first entry about it after "it" started crossing the line from "ummm, there might BE something here",  to "definetly there is something here,   and i better document it".

aug 2008 till now.      not one day missed on the validation scale.

White Flag

Just posting to tell you that your "france, oh yeah" photos are not showing.   Is anyone seeing them?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

I just got done saying he showed me the numbers he was gonna play before the draws, and they hit like he said. That's enough proof for me.

"he showed me the numbers he was gonna play before the draws, and they hit like he said."

 

Like you always say, it can't be true unless you can prove it.

So prove it.

Otherwise it's just a fairytale.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 16, 2011

White Flag

Just posting to tell you that your "france, oh yeah" photos are not showing.   Is anyone seeing them?

He must be hoping you're on the beach wearing Speedos.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

"he showed me the numbers he was gonna play before the draws, and they hit like he said."

 

Like you always say, it can't be true unless you can prove it.

So prove it.

Otherwise it's just a fairytale.

Nice try but the difference between claiming you know for a fact that the Christian God is the right one, and someone proving to me their system works is like apple and oranges. It was proven to me with no doubts whatsoever. Numbers don't lie. But to compare that with some mystical mumbo jumbo and can't prove it is the most rediculous analogy I've heard.

I asked for proof, and I got it. You don't even bother asking for proof and believe it anyways because of blind faith. I was given physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest, or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE.

Nice try, but try it on someone else.

Quit while you're NOT ahead...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

Nice try but the difference between claiming you know for a fact that the Christian God is the right one, and someone proving to me their system works is like apple and oranges. It was proven to me with no doubts whatsoever. Numbers don't lie. But to compare that with some mystical mumbo jumbo and can't prove it is the most rediculous analogy I've heard.

I asked for proof, and I got it. You don't even bother asking for proof and believe it anyways because of blind faith. I was given physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest, or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE.

Nice try, but try it on someone else.

Quit while you're NOT ahead...

Just as I thought, a fairytale.

The guy who demands proof of everything can't come up with any for his own claims. 250 K in 6 months on Pick4, yeah right.

Oh but wait... that's right... you saw the proof, so we know it's the truth. All we need is your word, while you demand proof of everything from us.

OK, I get it now.

Joker, the Grand Arbiter of Truth!

Pfffffttttt!

Fairytales.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 16, 2011

Nice try but the difference between claiming you know for a fact that the Christian God is the right one, and someone proving to me their system works is like apple and oranges. It was proven to me with no doubts whatsoever. Numbers don't lie. But to compare that with some mystical mumbo jumbo and can't prove it is the most rediculous analogy I've heard.

I asked for proof, and I got it. You don't even bother asking for proof and believe it anyways because of blind faith. I was given physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest, or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE.

Nice try, but try it on someone else.

Quit while you're NOT ahead...

"I asked for proof, and I got it. You don't even bother asking for proof and believe it anyways because of blind faith. I was given physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest, or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE."

 

OK, I'll do exactly as you said you do in the above paragraph:

Give me proof of the 250 K win on Pick4 in 6 months. I'm not going to believe you on blind faith, I'm asking for proof. I want physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE. 

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

He must be hoping you're on the beach wearing Speedos.

Can you see his pictures that he posted or not?  I am just getting a red x - which indicates no picture.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

Can you see his pictures that he posted or not?  I am just getting a red x - which indicates no picture.

Yes, but I don't think you'd like them.

You might be able to get some of Democrat Anthony Weiner in his bra and panties if you try though.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

Can you see his pictures that he posted or not?  I am just getting a red x - which indicates no picture.

Same here, red x

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 16, 2011

Just as I thought, a fairytale.

The guy who demands proof of everything can't come up with any for his own claims. 250 K in 6 months on Pick4, yeah right.

Oh but wait... that's right... you saw the proof, so we know it's the truth. All we need is your word, while you demand proof of everything from us.

OK, I get it now.

Joker, the Grand Arbiter of Truth!

Pfffffttttt!

Fairytales.

I saw the proof and that's what counts. On the other hand, you can't claim you saw your proof.

Do you see how idiotic you sound?

Can you claim you saw your proof?.......I'll make it easy for you to answer......NO!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 17, 2011

"I asked for proof, and I got it. You don't even bother asking for proof and believe it anyways because of blind faith. I was given physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest, or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE."

 

OK, I'll do exactly as you said you do in the above paragraph:

Give me proof of the 250 K win on Pick4 in 6 months. I'm not going to believe you on blind faith, I'm asking for proof. I want physical proof, not some good feelings in the chest or a tingle down my spine. COLD HARD EVIDENCE. 

You must be hitting the juice.

I'm saying you believe in your religion on blind faith with NO PROOF.

I'm saying I believe the system with 100% PROOF.

CAN YOU CALIM TO HAVE PROOF?

I highly doubt it.

joker17

Let me put it this way Ridge. I'm not asking you to prove it to me, I'm asking whether you can claim that you saw proof.

Let me guess, you've seen the word "Spain" for the past 10 years, every single day....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 17, 2011

I saw the proof and that's what counts. On the other hand, you can't claim you saw your proof.

Do you see how idiotic you sound?

Can you claim you saw your proof?.......I'll make it easy for you to answer......NO!

Proof of what?

I'm not the one making wild claims.

In fact I haven't made any claims.

But some guy on the internet tells you he won a 1/4 mill on P4 in 6 months and it's Gospel truth!

Yeah, right.

Pffffftttttt!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 17, 2011

You must be hitting the juice.

I'm saying you believe in your religion on blind faith with NO PROOF.

I'm saying I believe the system with 100% PROOF.

CAN YOU CALIM TO HAVE PROOF?

I highly doubt it.

Yeah, I could claim to have proof I saw your little green spacemen that let 20,000 kids die a day.

But that don't mean I really did, does it?

Whatta you nuts?

Listen to yourself!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 17, 2011

Proof of what?

I'm not the one making wild claims.

In fact I haven't made any claims.

But some guy on the internet tells you he won a 1/4 mill on P4 in 6 months and it's Gospel truth!

Yeah, right.

Pffffftttttt!

I see, now you're gonna play dumb.

Can you claim that you saw proof that the Christion God is the correct one?

Stop doing the twist and answer the freakin question because I have to go to bed and work tomorrow.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 17, 2011

Yeah, I could claim to have proof I saw your little green spacemen that let 20,000 kids die a day.

But that don't mean I really did, does it?

Whatta you nuts?

Listen to yourself!

You can't answer a simple question...Good night!!!

PATHETIC brainwashed fool.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 17, 2011

Let me put it this way Ridge. I'm not asking you to prove it to me, I'm asking whether you can claim that you saw proof.

Let me guess, you've seen the word "Spain" for the past 10 years, every single day....

Because you claim you saw something makes it true?

You're having a full blown meltdown, dude.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 17, 2011

You can't answer a simple question...Good night!!!

PATHETIC brainwashed fool.

Get some help Joker.

You're really coming unhinged.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 17, 2011

You can't answer a simple question...Good night!!!

PATHETIC brainwashed fool.

Don't pass out yet!

Your Grand Finale of Defeat isn't complete until you call me a racist!!

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Poor soul, he's just too high strung, that's all.

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I should take him under my wing.

I think he just needs a little positive reinforcement.

We'll get those crazy ideas out of his head in no time.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

anyone notice joker didn't make one comment concerning the pics of my journal i posted ?

i wonder why that is?   

at least i "manned up",  and backed up my claim with photographic proof instead of bloviating about it as if it's "true"

 

joker never will concerning his alledged "claim"

you will never see hard evidence,  because there isn't any "hard evidence"

if there was,  joker would have slammed these posts with 6 pages of it,  iffin there was that much material

kinda like the missing photo of the $1000 check he told the board he was going after Thud

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 17, 2011

anyone notice joker didn't make one comment concerning the pics of my journal i posted ?

i wonder why that is?   

at least i "manned up",  and backed up my claim with photographic proof instead of bloviating about it as if it's "true"

 

joker never will concerning his alledged "claim"

you will never see hard evidence,  because there isn't any "hard evidence"

if there was,  joker would have slammed these posts with 6 pages of it,  iffin there was that much material

kinda like the missing photo of the $1000 check he told the board he was going after Thud

Roger that.

Everyone has to show him proof of everything or it's not true.

He, on the other hand, just has to claim he saw evidence of something and it's automatically unquestionable Gospel truth.

No evidence needed.

Why?

Because he said so, that's why.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

Can you see his pictures that he posted or not?  I am just getting a red x - which indicates no picture.

i can't see it either.

it was a red x when i copy and pasted the internet address into the "insert/edit image" thingy.

when i went to review it,  it was only a red x,  i couldn't see the image myself.

i loaded it onto the post anyway,  hoping others could see it even if i couldn't.

up until today, i have never loaded a photo. 

 a picture of a photo from google images / gif's etc,  but never a personal photo.

i went today to flikr,  created an account,  took the pics,  and then downloaded them to flikr,  so that is where (flikr) i tried to load it onto LP from.

if for some reason that's the wrong way to do it,  tell me how in a way my limited computer skills will grasp,  and i will fix it so everyone can view it

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

the point i am making with him,  is that i could care less what he ends up believing,  that's his personal choice.

but,  don't assault other people about what they believe,  and then when someone turns the tables on you with the same exact spotlight you throw on everyone else,  don't descend into an excuse making wuss.

man up,  and be ready to see what you claim thru it's logical conclusion,  then let everyone decide after you have been man enough to throw it all out there......what it all really adds up to

i don't "follow thru" for joker's sake.

joker's angle has been exposed as the angst that it is.

i follow thru because it's what men of position and backbone do.

shoot,  i was willing to have joker arrange for some stranger to meet me and view my journal.

a risky move on my part,  not knowing who he really would have made the arrangements with.

not for fear of my safety,  because i think joker is out there,  but not 'physical revenge' out there.

but because someone could have taken pictures of me.   they could have followed me to my car,  and taken down my plate number,  etc.          then who knows where that could have descended to

that is how "willing" i was to back up my deal,   irregardless of joker's reaction to it.

why?    because i keep my word.

you at least have a reason to trust what a man of his word is saying / claiming,  when they actually do what they say they can.

you cannot trust people who go the other direction during the course of these issues.

 

i have everything to lose in here credibility wise by all that i am being transparent about in my personal life,  but i am willing to go that far to prove my claim

you can see....i am all in

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"...don't assault other people about what they believe, and then when someone turns the tables on you with the same exact spotlight you throw on everyone else, don't descend into an excuse making wuss."

 

That's all I'm talkin' about.

But like the Warden said in Cool Hand Luke: "What we got heah... is a failyuh to communicate.  Some men... you just cain't reach."

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i just remembered,  i need to keep my word about something else

back quite a awhile ago there was a thread about people posting a pic if they wanted to of themselves.

i said i would,  if i could figure out how to do that,  but until today,  i didn't know how.

i am not inclined to show my face,  so this is about all you get.

keeping my word.    it's what i do

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64132845@N05/5841192275/in/photostream/

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 17, 2011

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64132845@N05/5840268857/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64132845@N05/5840817946/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64132845@N05/5840270757/in/photostream/

 

see if that works.

and no,  no one stepped up and offered help to figure it out

"see if that works."

Yes, those links take you to your pics and they work.

"and no,  no one stepped up and offered help to figure it out"

Well, Todd may not be monitoring this thread anymore and he would be the prime person to ask for help.  He does have a web page about posting pics.

That would be here:

Posting an image in a forum message, Blog entry, or for your avatar | Lottery Post:
https://www.lotterypost.com/help/131640

I didn't step up "yet" because I didn't spend all night here.  Wink      ...but never let it be said that I won't help because of differences in our various ideas.

I don't believe Flickr is friendly to allowing pics posted there to also be posted elsewhere on the net.  In fact, I think they do the exact opposite to keep total control of pics posted there.  I haven't got much experience with them, but I did read some "help" from their website.  If anyone does know how to post a pic here from Flickr, kindly show us how.

I like either Photobucket or Tinypic (which is owned by Photobucket).  Tinypic, in my opinion, is the easier one.

TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting:
http://tinypic.com/

Let's see if we can make you an expert  pic poster (or at least close)!

It's easy to open a free account and upload pics there.  When you initially upload a pic - you will see your pic and a list of several links to choose from.   The link to use for LP is the one labeled "Direct Link for Layouts." 

Link description

Then when you open Todds editor(s) - there is a small tree, first row, towards the right in the toolbar.  "Insert/Edit Image"  Paste the "Direct Link" in there - a small image should appear, which indicates it should also appear in your post.  Add a description and/or title if you want and click Insert.  Your pic should appear right where your cursor was sitting. 

Optional - don't know how much you work with images but a handy program for your computer is called IrfanView.  Freeware.  It does just about anything to pics and runs various videos as well.  I used it to slightly enlarge, sharpen and rotate your pic.  There are other similar programs also available, you may already have one.  If you do decide to download it, also download the plug-ins.

IrfanView - Official Homepage - one of the most popular viewers worldwide:
http://www.irfanview.com/

VisionDude1

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 17, 2011

i just remembered,  i need to keep my word about something else

back quite a awhile ago there was a thread about people posting a pic if they wanted to of themselves.

i said i would,  if i could figure out how to do that,  but until today,  i didn't know how.

i am not inclined to show my face,  so this is about all you get.

keeping my word.    it's what i do

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64132845@N05/5841192275/in/photostream/

Vision Dude's Photo

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

Vision Dude's Photo

Geez, that's a little harsh, no?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Jun 17, 2011

Geez, that's a little harsh, no?

naw,  it's cool.

the time for my photo insertion came and went because at the time i wasn't able to figure out the LP photo insertion deal

that's the only reason i didn't then.   wasn't meant to be at that time,  me hypothesizes.

 

thanks truecritic for your extensive effort to teach me how to photo insert. 

i do appreciate it.

btw truecritic,  you caught my "drift". 

i wasn't whinning that no one helped,  what i was doing was demonstrating the reason why no one did,  that people pick agenda over people,  and refuse to do the right thing based around those barriers.

H5 for looking past that,  and doing the "right thing".

and no,  i am not amongst the 3.     those are systems players that i had a discussion with about buying just 1QP.

when i thought they were looking back at me,  i raised my hands in that gesture specific "hey,  don't forget"

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

Vision Dude's Photo

Cheap shot.

Why don't you post one of yourself so we can make fun of you too.

You ain't got the cojones.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 17, 2011

naw,  it's cool.

the time for my photo insertion came and went because at the time i wasn't able to figure out the LP photo insertion deal

that's the only reason i didn't then.   wasn't meant to be at that time,  me hypothesizes.

 

thanks truecritic for your extensive effort to teach me how to photo insert. 

i do appreciate it.

btw truecritic,  you caught my "drift". 

i wasn't whinning that no one helped,  what i was doing was demonstrating the reason why no one did,  that people pick agenda over people,  and refuse to do the right thing based around those barriers.

H5 for looking past that,  and doing the "right thing".

and no,  i am not amongst the 3.     those are systems players that i had a discussion with about buying just 1QP.

when i thought they were looking back at me,  i raised my hands in that gesture specific "hey,  don't forget"

You're welcome.  If you have any problems trying, let me know.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 17, 2011

You're welcome.  If you have any problems trying, let me know.

Nice.   A Rodney king  / kumbaya moment.

A little respect, and a paving truck with the ability to carve out a nice clean divided highway is all it takes for a little peace in here.

Hopefully joker won't ruin it by coming back in here and posting photographic proof .....of his "proof".

Some people would think the above 2 statements are diametrically opposed to a desired result.

Other people will totally understand why I made them :)

joker17

journal

 

Thanx so much for the proof Vision. I really appreciate it. I've now seen the light.

First thing tomorrow, I'm skipping work and finding the nearest Christian church to get baptised.

Which denomination would you suggest?

joker17

Poor Ridge, I ax him a simple question, and he can't give me a YES or NO.

Thinking of...

joker17

Hey Vision, you just gave me a great idea.

I'm gonna write a month long journal about what a safe driver I am. Then, If a cop stops me for speeding I can show him my journal as proof that I'm a safer driver than he thinks I am. Based on what I've learned tonight, I believe this will truly work . I think I can beat the ticket with this.

Maybe if everyone on the planet kept journals, no courtrooms, lawyers, or judges would ever be needed.

Thanx again for the insight Vision. 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

Poor Ridge, I ax him a simple question, and he can't give me a YES or NO.

Thinking of...

The idea that people need Religious Police watching over them was obviously ingrained in you in your childhood in that country where you were born.

It's not your fault, you have been programmed to think that's the way it should be.

I have come to accept that.

I accept that you are the Chief of the Religious Police here.

And your Deputies are Nancy, little mario (the international midget of mystery) and truecricket.

 

Just consider me one of the infidels.

 

Now get busy making sure no Christians mention praying or anything like that.

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

joker17

Poor Ridge, I ax him a simple question, and he can't give me a YES or NO.

Thinking of...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

The idea that people need Religious Police watching over them was obviously ingrained in you in your childhood in that country where you were born.

It's not your fault, you have been programmed to think that's the way it should be.

I have come to accept that.

I accept that you are the Chief of the Religious Police here.

And your Deputies are Nancy, little mario (the international midget of mystery) and truecricket.

 

Just consider me one of the infidels.

 

Now get busy making sure no Christians mention praying or anything like that.

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

You have no proof that your delusion is the correct delusion.

Hopefully one day you'll wake up. Hopefully.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

You have no proof that your delusion is the correct delusion.

Hopefully one day you'll wake up. Hopefully.

I don't need proof.

All I have to do is say I saw proof.

Like you do.

Then it's Gospel.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

journal

 

Thanx so much for the proof Vision. I really appreciate it. I've now seen the light.

First thing tomorrow, I'm skipping work and finding the nearest Christian church to get baptised.

Which denomination would you suggest?

no problem,  just demonstrating what men in a position of strength do,  by actually doing what they said they would do.

i stated i had it, and i followed thru with that claim.

instead of talking about it,  i showed it  (unlike you).

whatever you or anyone else does with the addition of it (collectively speaking) is beyond my concern.

all my responsibility entails is doing what i am supposed to do,  at the time i am supposed to do it,  and not to deviate from it's end result just because toothless sharks surround me

we are all still waiting for the "proof" of that email you told us all you had sent.    where is it ?

 it's not my fault you can't keep your word, and i can......that's on you, joker   

 you cannot tie your personal boat anchor to my leg.     

 when you step in it,  clean your shoe,  or everyone in the room will eventually smell it

i am considering starting my own church,  and calling it "no joke ministries".    yes, you would be the inspiration thereof.

would you like to be the first congregant?     i will allow heckling,  because heckling will force me to sharpen my focus.

you can bring up the "20,000 kids a day" thingy,  because when i explain to the congregation how that works,  that will make Christmas and easter sermons a walk in the park.

you don't have to worry about "baptism".   baptism isn't a necessity to a relationship with God,  as that is a free gift.

just show up,  and as you grow in your new relationship with God,  and you still desire to be baptized,  we can do that.

seeing that baptism is purely symbolic,  baptism in water isn't necessary,  as what matters is the condition of the heart,  not the flouride in the water.   ("clorine" for some people,  for obvious reasons)

that said,  it would be my honor to baptize you by pouring a heineken over your head. 

remember,  it ain't the liquid,  it's the "heart" that matters.   might as well make it relateable

pray about it and get back to me.  i will be here doing what i always do (whatever that is for the moment),  until God decides my time at LP is kaput.

at which time you can troll around with angst in tow,  bloviHATE to the choir,  and still never put up the goods.

you talk more trash then just about anyone i know,  with the least amount of chance of getting a job driving a garbage truck.

if only you could back up,  more than you complain

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

The idea that people need Religious Police watching over them was obviously ingrained in you in your childhood in that country where you were born.

It's not your fault, you have been programmed to think that's the way it should be.

I have come to accept that.

I accept that you are the Chief of the Religious Police here.

And your Deputies are Nancy, little mario (the international midget of mystery) and truecricket.

 

Just consider me one of the infidels.

 

Now get busy making sure no Christians mention praying or anything like that.

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

 

Never ever did i ever put someone down who says stuff like that. But I do raise questions. It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You are defintely no saint, so don't expect others of being one. Your racism flows out of your pores despite the fact that you don't know me from a hole in the wall. You lump me with the  radical RELIGIOUS FANATICS.

I'm an American who served her country with an honarobale discharge. My DD-214 is available upon request.

Maybe if the world as a huge community sat down seriously and discussed the search for the TRUTH, cutting out all the BS, the people will find it. But until then, the arm chaired warriors who proclaim truths with no worthy debate based on HARD EVIDENCE, will only be witnesses to the illusions of their own minds. Objectivity will fly right out the window.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

I don't need proof.

All I have to do is say I saw proof.

Like you do.

Then it's Gospel.

Can you claim that you saw physical proof that the Christian God is the right one? Very simple question.....

And if you ever answer YES, what was the proof?

You don't have to prove it to me. I just want a YES or NO.

Very simple question, YES or NO.....Have you seen proof with your very own eyes?.....

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

no problem,  just demonstrating what men in a position of strength do,  by actually doing what they said they would do.

i stated i had it, and i followed thru with that claim.

instead of talking about it,  i showed it  (unlike you).

whatever you or anyone else does with the addition of it (collectively speaking) is beyond my concern.

all my responsibility entails is doing what i am supposed to do,  at the time i am supposed to do it,  and not to deviate from it's end result just because toothless sharks surround me

we are all still waiting for the "proof" of that email you told us all you had sent.    where is it ?

 it's not my fault you can't keep your word, and i can......that's on you, joker   

 you cannot tie your personal boat anchor to my leg.     

 when you step in it,  clean your shoe,  or everyone in the room will eventually smell it

i am considering starting my own church,  and calling it "no joke ministries".    yes, you would be the inspiration thereof.

would you like to be the first congregant?     i will allow heckling,  because heckling will force me to sharpen my focus.

you can bring up the "20,000 kids a day" thingy,  because when i explain to the congregation how that works,  that will make Christmas and easter sermons a walk in the park.

you don't have to worry about "baptism".   baptism isn't a necessity to a relationship with God,  as that is a free gift.

just show up,  and as you grow in your new relationship with God,  and you still desire to be baptized,  we can do that.

seeing that baptism is purely symbolic,  baptism in water isn't necessary,  as what matters is the condition of the heart,  not the flouride in the water.   ("clorine" for some people,  for obvious reasons)

that said,  it would be my honor to baptize you by pouring a heineken over your head. 

remember,  it ain't the liquid,  it's the "heart" that matters.   might as well make it relateable

pray about it and get back to me.  i will be here doing what i always do (whatever that is for the moment),  until God decides my time at LP is kaput.

at which time you can troll around with angst in tow,  bloviHATE to the choir,  and still never put up the goods.

you talk more trash then just about anyone i know,  with the least amount of chance of getting a job driving a garbage truck.

if only you could back up,  more than you complain

baptism isn't a necessity to a relationship with God,  as that is a free gift.

 

Thanx for the interpretation. I'm glad your interpretation of Baptism was the correct one. I guess all those other idiots who said it was necessary were just wrong.

Man, I'm learning so much tonight, I should say today...lol

God bless you Vision...And i mean that.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

 

Never ever did i ever put someone down who says stuff like that. But I do raise questions. It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You are defintely no saint, so don't expect others of being one. Your racism flows out of your pores despite the fact that you don't know me from a hole in the wall. You lump me with the  radical RELIGIOUS FANATICS.

I'm an American who served her country with an honarobale discharge. My DD-214 is available upon request.

Maybe if the world as a huge community sat down seriously and discussed the search for the TRUTH, cutting out all the BS, the people will find it. But until then, the arm chaired warriors who proclaim truths with no worthy debate based on HARD EVIDENCE, will only be witnesses to the illusions of their own minds. Objectivity will fly right out the window.

"It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat."

 

I get it.

You can police other people.

But nobody should dare police you.

Have I got that right now?

Makes perfect sense to me.Crazy

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

 

Never ever did i ever put someone down who says stuff like that. But I do raise questions. It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You are defintely no saint, so don't expect others of being one. Your racism flows out of your pores despite the fact that you don't know me from a hole in the wall. You lump me with the  radical RELIGIOUS FANATICS.

I'm an American who served her country with an honarobale discharge. My DD-214 is available upon request.

Maybe if the world as a huge community sat down seriously and discussed the search for the TRUTH, cutting out all the BS, the people will find it. But until then, the arm chaired warriors who proclaim truths with no worthy debate based on HARD EVIDENCE, will only be witnesses to the illusions of their own minds. Objectivity will fly right out the window.

your a liar,  joker.

you called perfectiming a "dumbass" in this thread because they enumerated their beliefs. 

and only because they cited scripture.

once in a purple pumperknickle moon you are "respectful" in your approach to this.

but mostly,  your just an angst driven trolling to start trouble on purpose jerk

unlike i have,  perfectiming has never come close to flyswatting you.

you called them a "dumbass" for no reason.

well,  not for "no reason".       your angst about this is way out of bounds,  and your claims of being here for "educational" altruistic reasons is pure garbage.

whatever someone else did to you when you were younger in the "name" of Christianity,  you think somehow it's righteous to take it out on us,  or God.

we didn't do anything to you,  and neither did God.....so go get help,  or find another scapegoat 

your act is old,  and might i add...... it's gathering RUST

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

Can you claim that you saw physical proof that the Christian God is the right one? Very simple question.....

And if you ever answer YES, what was the proof?

You don't have to prove it to me. I just want a YES or NO.

Very simple question, YES or NO.....Have you seen proof with your very own eyes?.....

Show me where I made a claim anywhere that I need to prove.

The only claim I've made is that you harass Christians here and you've provided all the proof anyone needs of that.

You were brainwashed as a child that people need spys watching them all the time.

Well pally, we don't play that here.

We believe in religious freedom.

There's people like you still over there beating women in the streets for showing their ankles.

Go straighten them out!

Americans will be just fine without you browbeating them about their Christian beliefs.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

"It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat."

 

I get it.

You can police other people.

But nobody should dare police you.

Have I got that right now?

Makes perfect sense to me.Crazy

You're complaining of me policing, when you started the whole process. That's what you're lacking in your understanding.

I make a comment, and you delegate what I can say and can't say. Actually, you said I was attacking Christianity when the poster said she thanked God, when all I did was ask a question to another poster in that original thread. Go back and read it. 

I don't have a right to ask a question without being labeled an "Attacker"?........

Police state anyone? 

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I think someone mentioned the word "saint" today without being told how stupid they are.

 

Never ever did i ever put someone down who says stuff like that. But I do raise questions. It's only when the likes of you and Vision who come crawling out of the woodwork policing me about how i should respond in a thread is what gets my goat.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You are defintely no saint, so don't expect others of being one. Your racism flows out of your pores despite the fact that you don't know me from a hole in the wall. You lump me with the  radical RELIGIOUS FANATICS.

I'm an American who served her country with an honarobale discharge. My DD-214 is available upon request.

Maybe if the world as a huge community sat down seriously and discussed the search for the TRUTH, cutting out all the BS, the people will find it. But until then, the arm chaired warriors who proclaim truths with no worthy debate based on HARD EVIDENCE, will only be witnesses to the illusions of their own minds. Objectivity will fly right out the window.

"who proclaim truths with no worthy debate based on HARD EVIDENCE"....

 ok,  i will drive down this 6 lane highway with my seatbelt off...

what in your mind constitutes "hard evidence" ???

you know,  the kind that leads you into a belief thereof,  and not some lame excusitory stretch armstrong act #2,386

you throw out curveball terms,  in order to sell the notion that you are after "THE TRUTH".

truth really is that your not after anything but the truth,   which is why we are all now goose-pimpley waiting for your definition of

 hard evidence

  WELL ?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

Show me where I made a claim anywhere that I need to prove.

The only claim I've made is that you harass Christians here and you've provided all the proof anyone needs of that.

You were brainwashed as a child that people need spys watching them all the time.

Well pally, we don't play that here.

We believe in religious freedom.

There's people like you still over there beating women in the streets for showing their ankles.

Go straighten them out!

Americans will be just fine without you browbeating them about their Christian beliefs.

Why is it so hard to answer a simple question without racism being invoked in the equation? Once again, objectivity in question.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

baptism isn't a necessity to a relationship with God,  as that is a free gift.

 

Thanx for the interpretation. I'm glad your interpretation of Baptism was the correct one. I guess all those other idiots who said it was necessary were just wrong.

Man, I'm learning so much tonight, I should say today...lol

God bless you Vision...And i mean that.

aren't you going to thank me for coming up with the unique idea of baptizing you with a bottle of heineken?

unless you steal my idea,  you will go your whole life,  and no one will come up with that. 

maybe some perrier,  which of course is not from italy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

your a liar,  joker.

you called perfectiming a "dumbass" in this thread because they enumerated their beliefs. 

and only because they cited scripture.

once in a purple pumperknickle moon you are "respectful" in your approach to this.

but mostly,  your just an angst driven trolling to start trouble on purpose jerk

unlike i have,  perfectiming has never come close to flyswatting you.

you called them a "dumbass" for no reason.

well,  not for "no reason".       your angst about this is way out of bounds,  and your claims of being here for "educational" altruistic reasons is pure garbage.

whatever someone else did to you when you were younger in the "name" of Christianity,  you think somehow it's righteous to take it out on us,  or God.

we didn't do anything to you,  and neither did God.....so go get help,  or find another scapegoat 

your act is old,  and might i add...... it's gathering RUST

I'm getting tired of babysitting you. Let me reiterate. Once i get enough BS from you, I can only take so much. I hate repeating myself. It gets tiresome, and shows me that the tough questions like I'm asking are purposely being eluded. Instead of you owning up and realizing that you and the rest of Humanity can't answer the tough questions, only then you will conquer denial. Until then, it's just a delusion you want to keep up because you are afraid of your own mortality. Nothing less, nothing more.

We all need something to believe in, but fooling ourselves for the sake of comfort is not up to my standards. Sorry, but i can't fool myself. I'm aware of too much information. Even If i wanted to convince myself, I couldn't.

I wish you well in all your endeavors Vision...and Ridge....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

Why is it so hard to answer a simple question without racism being invoked in the equation? Once again, objectivity in question.

Ya know joker, sometimes I give you too much credit. At one time I would have thought you were more of a man than to hide behind the race card everytime you start losing an argument. I don't even know what race you are nor do I care. And where did I mention your race or put you down for it?

Can't you stand on your own two feet?

Act like a man, for @$%&  sake.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 11, 2011

And you have the scripture to back it up. Yup, another brainwashed human. I believe in Thor, and I have the scripture to prove it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What a dumbass!

It was written in the Bible, THEREFORE, it must be true.....You and Vision would make a great tag team....Crazy  Crazy

yep,  your just a nice concerned human being looking for the truth,  and respectfully engaging others while hoping to find it.

as far as i know,  unlike you and i,  you don't even have any prior history with this person,  and that makes it worse

this was just your true self coming out.

well,  that and a few heinken-isms

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

Ya know joker, sometimes I give you too much credit. At one time I would have thought you were more of a man than to hide behind the race card everytime you start losing an argument. I don't even know what race you are nor do I care. And where did I mention your race or put you down for it?

Can't you stand on your own two feet?

Act like a man, for @$%&  sake.

I don't even know what race you are nor do I care

 

What?

if you don't know what race I am, then why make middle eastern racist comments? Did you just happen to pick one out of a hat?

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

yep,  your just a nice concerned human being looking for the truth,  and respectfully engaging others while hoping to find it.

as far as i know,  unlike you and i,  you don't even have any prior history with this person,  and that makes it worse

this was just your true self coming out.

well,  that and a few heinken-isms

Perfecttiming is a Christian lady. A nice lady.

That was mild, calling her a dumbass for quoting Scripture.

She's lucky she didn't meet him on the streets in the old country where he got all his ideas.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

yep,  your just a nice concerned human being looking for the truth,  and respectfully engaging others while hoping to find it.

as far as i know,  unlike you and i,  you don't even have any prior history with this person,  and that makes it worse

this was just your true self coming out.

well,  that and a few heinken-isms

Wouldn't you call me a dumbass if I said I saw a book that said THOR was the right God?

I would.

Again, it never starts out this way, but after repeated and failed attempts of putting some common sense into the equation, and it's rejected or eluded without a sensible response, and the only thing folks have is passages from the Bible, it becomes too overwhelming for me. I don't have time to babysit people.

This is fundamental stuff folks. I'm far exceeding the obvious contradictions that amatuer debaters engage in.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

Perfecttiming is a Christian lady. A nice lady.

That was mild, calling her a dumbass for quoting Scripture.

She's lucky she didn't meet him on the streets in the old country where he got all his ideas.

I never called her a dumbass. Stop lying.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I'm getting tired of babysitting you. Let me reiterate. Once i get enough BS from you, I can only take so much. I hate repeating myself. It gets tiresome, and shows me that the tough questions like I'm asking are purposely being eluded. Instead of you owning up and realizing that you and the rest of Humanity can't answer the tough questions, only then you will conquer denial. Until then, it's just a delusion you want to keep up because you are afraid of your own mortality. Nothing less, nothing more.

We all need something to believe in, but fooling ourselves for the sake of comfort is not up to my standards. Sorry, but i can't fool myself. I'm aware of too much information. Even If i wanted to convince myself, I couldn't.

I wish you well in all your endeavors Vision...and Ridge....

in the immortal words of jack nicholson (after about 5,738 "girlfriends") ...."you can't handle the truth"

shoot,  you can't even handle the PM function at LP,  you can't send an email to guy you said you did,  you can't post a pic of a $1000 check,  you can't call some dude in sacramento and make arrangements to view my journal so you could legitimately call me a liar,  and you can't even post a pic of your "proof" despite a lengthy explanation by truecritic.

and you accuse us of avoidance?

your kettle has baked in the sun too long, to worry about whenever it was black

we like you better in the morning,  when you are not "inspired" by little green bottles

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I don't even know what race you are nor do I care

 

What?

if you don't know what race I am, then why make middle eastern racist comments? Did you just happen to pick one out of a hat?

When I said people like you beat women in the streets I meant just that - people like you beat women in the streets because they don't believe what you tell them to believe or don't dress the way you want or whatever. What the hell has that got to do with race inside of your tiny closed mind?

I was right a couple weeks ago.

You're no man, you're a gutless coward.

Beat it, punk.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I never called her a dumbass. Stop lying.

Yes you did.

I can show you the post if you want.

But you'll still say you didn't.

Cuz you're a natural born liar.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

Wouldn't you call me a dumbass if I said I saw a book that said THOR was the right God?

I would.

Again, it never starts out this way, but after repeated and failed attempts of putting some common sense into the equation, and it's rejected or eluded without a sensible response, and the only thing folks have is passages from the Bible, it becomes too overwhelming for me. I don't have time to babysit people.

This is fundamental stuff folks. I'm far exceeding the obvious contradictions that amatuer debaters engage in.

no way in the hot place would i do that.    especially to someone who didn't do a thing to deserve it.

it's but another excuse in your go-to arsenal.   

instead of owning it,  it's an aacceptable part of doing your business against Christians,  and that's why it's "ok"

i could see why your out of control angst would get the better of you,  and you would call me that,  but her?   NEVER

indicator 101

your getting your "debating skill donkey" before the cart.

before you call someone a dumbass,  you have to make sure they actually are one.

shoot,  you couldn't even claim you were drunk when you did it

your an overachiever all right.   you cannot imagine the headway you are making when it comes to this arena of life.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

sleep off your stupor tonight, joker.

tomorrow you get to untie that boat anchor around your leg you referred to as "HARD EVIDENCE".

tomorrow,  i am going to demonstrate (again)  your just a blow hard that flings curveballs around the dugout,  with never an intention of throwing a fastball right over the plate.

even you have no idea what you meant by "HARD EVIDENCE"

you just throw out garbage, and then go on to the next garbage can.

your a superlative among debaters allright.   lol

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 18, 2011

I never called her a dumbass. Stop lying.

"Joker, when you say: "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnositc, you might as well call yourself atheist..."

Todd,

Your comment speaks vloumes....there are atheist who would actually agree with you and they want the word "Atheist" to be defined as:

Anyone who doesn't believe that God exist....and not just people who believe that God doesn't esist....

Sounds like a mind twister but there is a very teeny tiny difference between

Not believing that God exist (agnostic)

And

Believing that God doesn't exist (atheist)

Not believing that God exist means that you don't believe in God but you also don't claim to know for sure that He doesn't exist....therefore you don't know either way.

Believing that God doesn't exist means that you absolutely believe God does not exist.

Atheist (some of them anyway) are saying what you are saying Todd, in that there should only be one category.

Now regarding the word "agnostic".....I asked Joker what kind of agnostic he was claiming to be because there are two kinds:

The "Can't" Know.....and...The "Don't" Know

Can't Know Agnosticism says: "I don't know if God exist and no one can possible know it either!"

**The problem with this is that a person would have to have absolute, total and complete knowledge to make that claim and the only ONE who has that kind of power is....GOD!

Don't Know Agnosticism says: "I personally don't know if God exist".

**The problem with this is anyone can find out who God is but they would have to humble themselves and open their heart and be willing to allow God to reveal Himself to them......Some of the accusations on this thread about God and the words spoken against Him are so crazy.... no wonder its difficult for those struggling to believe.

What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

"God won't see the distinction when the day comes"

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)

And you have the scripture to back it up. Yup, another brainwashed human. I believe in Thor, and I have the scripture to prove it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What a dumbass!

It was written in the Bible, THEREFORE, it must be true.....You and Vision would make a great tag team....Crazy  Crazy

No Problems, Only Solutions....

 

You called her a dumbass, joker.

There's my proof.

Want to call me a liar again?

 

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

joker's  post to perfectiming is on page 19

it actually was at the time of night where heineken is a favored "inspiration"  (10:57pm).

still not an excuse,  and still an example of the 'altruism' of joker's zip code existence

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Yeah, he suddenly went offline when he couldn't weasel out of his last lie.

All I hear is crickets.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

he passed out.

he didn't leave under his own recognizance. 

that guy is starting to give  beer commercials a bad name,  and those are the funniest on tv.

wait till tomorrow.   he won't pay his own cab fare on the "hard evidence" baloney

blow hard,   but at least have bad breath to back it up

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote visiondude...

"and you can't even post a pic of your "proof" despite a lengthy explanation by truecritic."

C'mon, don't do that...that is help information and neutral territory.  Joker knows full well how to post images.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 18, 2011

Quote visiondude...

"and you can't even post a pic of your "proof" despite a lengthy explanation by truecritic."

C'mon, don't do that...that is help information and neutral territory.  Joker knows full well how to post images.

trust me,  it wasn't a diss when i said that.

i told you i appreciated what you did,   and i fully meant it,  it's just that joker is an excuse manufacturing plant,  and i needed to demonstrate his "unwillingness" to prove things he claims,  despite demanding that everyone else does

i already was well aware of the fact joker can post scanned anomalies

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 18, 2011

Quote visiondude...

"and you can't even post a pic of your "proof" despite a lengthy explanation by truecritic."

C'mon, don't do that...that is help information and neutral territory.  Joker knows full well how to post images.

LOL. If there are two qualities that define you, they are these: Typical and predictable.

Some may err with the benefit of doubt but I know one thing - a leopard doesn't change his spots.

Does he, leopard?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

trust me,  it wasn't a diss when i said that.

i told you i appreciated what you did,   and i fully meant it,  it's just that joker is an excuse manufacturing plant,  and i needed to demonstrate his "unwillingness" to prove things he claims,  despite demanding that everyone else does

i already was well aware of the fact joker can post scanned anomalies

He knew full well what you said and what you meant by it.

He can't help himself.

He can't stand to see anybody let down their guard and turn their back for a moment without that overwhelming liberal/atheist urge to plunge a knife into it and run like hell.

That's his M O.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

joker17

"I hate repeating myself....."

Do tell. that's not what we're seeing in this thread or any thread similar to this one.

WT2, over?

What?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Still waiting for the definition of what constitutes "hard evidence"

I want to see that put thru the joker washing machine,  and see what gets spit out this time...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

"Joker, when you say: "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnositc, you might as well call yourself atheist..."

Todd,

Your comment speaks vloumes....there are atheist who would actually agree with you and they want the word "Atheist" to be defined as:

Anyone who doesn't believe that God exist....and not just people who believe that God doesn't esist....

Sounds like a mind twister but there is a very teeny tiny difference between

Not believing that God exist (agnostic)

And

Believing that God doesn't exist (atheist)

Not believing that God exist means that you don't believe in God but you also don't claim to know for sure that He doesn't exist....therefore you don't know either way.

Believing that God doesn't exist means that you absolutely believe God does not exist.

Atheist (some of them anyway) are saying what you are saying Todd, in that there should only be one category.

Now regarding the word "agnostic".....I asked Joker what kind of agnostic he was claiming to be because there are two kinds:

The "Can't" Know.....and...The "Don't" Know

Can't Know Agnosticism says: "I don't know if God exist and no one can possible know it either!"

**The problem with this is that a person would have to have absolute, total and complete knowledge to make that claim and the only ONE who has that kind of power is....GOD!

Don't Know Agnosticism says: "I personally don't know if God exist".

**The problem with this is anyone can find out who God is but they would have to humble themselves and open their heart and be willing to allow God to reveal Himself to them......Some of the accusations on this thread about God and the words spoken against Him are so crazy.... no wonder its difficult for those struggling to believe.

What's even more interesting about the word "agnostic" is

It is of Greek origin; however, its Latin counterpart is the word.....(wait for it)...........

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

"God won't see the distinction when the day comes"

Right you are again....and here is the scripture to back it up:

Psalm 10:4 (for the agnostic)

The willful, through pride of his countenance will not seek after God.  God is not in his thoughts.

Psalm 14:1 (for the atheist)

The fool says in his heart there is no God

(Sounds like they would be in the same category to me too.....)

And you have the scripture to back it up. Yup, another brainwashed human. I believe in Thor, and I have the scripture to prove it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What a dumbass!

It was written in the Bible, THEREFORE, it must be true.....You and Vision would make a great tag team....Crazy  Crazy

No Problems, Only Solutions....

 

You called her a dumbass, joker.

There's my proof.

Want to call me a liar again?

 

Now you're both dumbasses because I was talking about the original lady who won 4 grand or whatever.

You and Vision need to hook up and get married. Two dumbass losers.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 18, 2011

Yeah, he suddenly went offline when he couldn't weasel out of his last lie.

All I hear is crickets.

I have to actually work for a living, not like a bum like you.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 18, 2011

joker17

"I hate repeating myself....."

Do tell. that's not what we're seeing in this thread or any thread similar to this one.

WT2, over?

What?

I can't help it that I have a couple of brainwashed robots that only read what they want to read and discard the rest to fit their agenda.

I'm done with this charade. I don't have the time to talk to 2 brick walls. If they want to live in their religious fantasy worlds let em, who gives a flying frack!!!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

Still waiting for the definition of what constitutes "hard evidence"

I want to see that put thru the joker washing machine,  and see what gets spit out this time...

The word "Evidence" shouldn't even be included in your vocabulary. You wouldn't know evidence If it crawled up your ass.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

The word "Evidence" shouldn't even be included in your vocabulary. You wouldn't know evidence If it crawled up your ass.

(1)  well,   looks like another liquid courage extravanganza tonight from our trans lucid "just here for altrustic reasons" inmate.

(2)  not only lied again about his interaction with perfectiming,  he won't even own it / apologize

(3)  told you the guy never follows thru,  and just wildly sprays the board with his angst.

 

 instead of BACKING UP what he claims is the ultimate brass ring ("hard evidence") in these debates,  he makes yet another excuse,  and attempts to blame me for not doing it.

 

we now have collected "hard evidence" that you blow nothing but smoke

volcanic ash to be exact

joker17

It's futile to present evidence like I have in the past to brainwashed humans who can't think for themselves. Such a pity.

Hopefully one day they will wake up from their trance. I ain't holding my breath.

If it takes fairytales to make you feel better about your pathetic existence, then so beit....

All the power to you...

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

It's futile to present evidence like I have in the past to brainwashed humans who can't think for themselves. Such a pity.

Hopefully one day they will wake up from their trance. I ain't holding my breath.

If it takes fairytales to make you feel better about your pathetic existence, then so beit....

All the power to you...

that's an ongoing lying crock

your not shy with anything you do have, and you will expend post after post blasting us with it.

the real reason you don't,  is because you can't

your hookah has cherry flavored volcanic ash in it.

 

in your twisted world,  you will take this as a compliment,  but i don't recall ever seeing someone bloviahate so much,  about so many things, and have so little in the tank when it's their turn.

stage fright isn't your problem.    your problem is when it gets down to it,  you don't have anything anywhere near what you keep telling everyone in here you do.

like i said,  you only have reason to trust a man,  when he backs up what he says everytime.

not you though.   your favorite gear is reverse.

at least i did what i said i would do

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 18, 2011

Still waiting for the definition of what constitutes "hard evidence"

I want to see that put thru the joker washing machine,  and see what gets spit out this time...

i told you so. 

i told you he wouldn't,  and there would be an ensuing "why not"

 

joker doesn't have stage fright,     but "hard evidence" has stage fright for the first time in history.     

  imagine that

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

that's an ongoing lying crock

your not shy with anything you do have, and you will expend post after post blasting us with it.

the real reason you don't,  is because you can't

your hookah has cherry flavored volcanic ash in it.

 

in your twisted world,  you will take this as a compliment,  but i don't recall ever seeing someone bloviahate so much,  about so many things, and have so little in the tank when it's their turn.

stage fright isn't your problem.    your problem is when it gets down to it,  you don't have anything anywhere near what you keep telling everyone in here you do.

like i said,  you only have reason to trust a man,  when he backs up what he says everytime.

not you though.   your favorite gear is reverse.

at least i did what i said i would do

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies out there which are billions of light years away?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

Now you're both dumbasses because I was talking about the original lady who won 4 grand or whatever.

You and Vision need to hook up and get married. Two dumbass losers.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/19

Go back to page 19 and tell me your lies again.

You're not only a liar, you're a horrible liar. You'd think with all the lying you do, you'd get good at it but you haven't.

You honestly think anybody will read your response to Perfecttiming and think you were talking about somebody else?

You are an insufferable moron.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

I have to actually work for a living, not like a bum like you.

I retired before I reached your age, idiot.

Go drive your cab and shut up.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

everyone else besides me knows you will too,  you have to now,  it's all you have for a "defense"

typical joker tactics

he can't handle his own business,  so he creates another diversion,  to keep from his personal responsibility to do it.

go ahead and lie to yourself and everyone else i "never did".

i even covered your specific "diversion" a long time ago in another thread,  and now you have regurgitated it again,  because you can't come up with something new,  and your desperate to go in the other direction of your acclaimed "hard evidence" 

gee,  i can't keep track of all the things you refused to do just in this thread alone

your right,  technically speaking,  i am not worthy.

not really that well versed in the treatment of multiple personality social refusal disorders

i am really good at spotting a case of it,  i just can't dispense meds

your on your own about that one.

btw,  liquid courage does not constitute a physchoILLOGICAL treatment modality

it only worsens the symptoms

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

I can't help it that I have a couple of brainwashed robots that only read what they want to read and discard the rest to fit their agenda.

I'm done with this charade. I don't have the time to talk to 2 brick walls. If they want to live in their religious fantasy worlds let em, who gives a flying frack!!!

"I'm done with this charade. I don't have the time to talk to 2 brick walls. If they want to live in their religious fantasy worlds let em, who gives a flying frack!!!"

 

Well, I'm glad to hear you're through with your charade of being the Religious Police finally!

I'm glad you've finally seen the light and will leave people alone about their religious beliefs now.Hurray!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

everyone else besides me knows you will too,  you have to now,  it's all you have for a "defense"

typical joker tactics

he can't handle his own business,  so he creates another diversion,  to keep from his personal responsibility to do it.

go ahead and lie to yourself and everyone else i "never did".

i even covered your specific "diversion" a long time ago in another thread,  and now you have regurgitated it again,  because you can't come up with something new,  and your desperate to go in the other direction of your acclaimed "hard evidence" 

gee,  i can't keep track of all the things you refused to do just in this thread alone

your right,  technically speaking,  i am not worthy.

not really that well versed in the treatment of multiple personality social refusal disorders

i am really good at spotting a case of it,  i just can't dispense meds

your on your own about that one.

btw,  liquid courage does not constitute a physchoILLOGICAL treatment modality

it only worsens the symptoms

Can't answer for whatever reason? Simply Don't know? Which one is it?

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies out there billions of light years away?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

It's futile to present evidence like I have in the past to brainwashed humans who can't think for themselves. Such a pity.

Hopefully one day they will wake up from their trance. I ain't holding my breath.

If it takes fairytales to make you feel better about your pathetic existence, then so beit....

All the power to you...

NEWS FLASH - Nobody cares what you think about Christians and what they should believe.

Go straighten out your own country first and then come back and tell us Christians how stupid we are, ok?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

                                                         who is the WHITE ELEPHANT  in the room ?

                                                                why it's "HARD EVIDENCE"...

 

 

i hope someone can see it. 

it's a photoshop job of an animated GIF "elephant" jumping on a trampoline

http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/154040/elephant-trampolinegif.html

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 19, 2011

NEWS FLASH - Nobody cares what you think about Christians and what they should believe.

Go straighten out your own country first and then come back and tell us Christians how stupid we are, ok?

From this point on, I'm done communicating with a moron like you. I will only be asking Vision the very first question.

So don't waste your precious last years on earth arguing with me. Save your energy, you'll need it.

BYE ROBOT !!!!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

                                                         who is the WHITE ELEPHANT  in the room ?

                                                                why it's "HARD EVIDENCE"...

 

 

i hope someone can see it. 

it's a photoshop job of an animated GIF "elephant" jumping on a trampoline

http://photoshopcontest.com/view-entry/154040/elephant-trampolinegif.html

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

From this point on, I'm done communicating with a moron like you. I will only be asking Vision the very first question.

So don't waste your precious last years on earth arguing with me. Save your energy, you'll need it.

BYE ROBOT !!!!

I don't blame you for pussing out cuz that's what you are - a puss.

You can't cut it.

I had you pegged from day one - gutless coward.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

"Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me..."

 

Joker, you're a little cab driver with megalomania and a Napoleon complex.

Believe me, nobody would want to be in your presence.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

Can't answer for whatever reason? Simply Don't know? Which one is it?

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies out there billions of light years away?

would you like to lie for the 3rd time in this thread alone,  and tell people you and i haven't already covered this?

you are one out in left field dude.

you will never be in a position where you can ever blame me for the man you keep telling people you are.

throughout the years,  and the many wrassling matches you and i have been involved in,  you still haven't a clue,  and you still stick your ego out for more.

one common thing i always accomplish with you by the time a thread fades,  as demonstrating you can't back up squat.

whenever it finally comes to that juncture where you are finally in a corner,  in comparison to the things you start and say,  you still are unable to cross the finish line.

once again,  it's the same ol karaoke tune playing behind the faded curtain,  this time the tune was remixed,  and today the tune is....

...."HARD EVIDENCE"

unfortunately, it's in some twisted heavy metal / non decipherable screamo genre that no one could swear what the artist is singing,  so there is no "hard evidence" the song is even about    ......"hard evidence"

the only word i could decipher was "BOAT ANCHOR" (as in you tied it yourself around your own dang ankle)

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

would you like to lie for the 3rd time in this thread alone,  and tell people you and i haven't already covered this?

you are one out in left field dude.

you will never be in a position where you can ever blame me for the man you keep telling people you are.

throughout the years,  and the many wrassling matches you and i have been involved in,  you still haven't a clue,  and you still stick your ego out for more.

one common thing i always accomplish with you by the time a thread fades,  as demonstrating you can't back up squat.

whenever it finally comes to that juncture where you are finally in a corner,  in comparison to the things you start and say,  you still are unable to cross the finish line.

once again,  it's the same ol karaoke tune playing behind the faded curtain,  this time the tune was remixed,  and today the tune is....

...."HARD EVIDENCE"

unfortunately, it's in some twisted heavy metal / non decipherable screamo genre that no one could swear what the artist is singing,  so there is no "hard evidence" the song is even about    ......"hard evidence"

the only word i could decipher was "BOAT ANCHOR" (as in you tied it yourself around your own dang ankle)

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

How many more times do you want him to answer that for you, junior?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 19, 2011

How many more times do you want him to answer that for you, junior?

you know,  the great aspects of winning the lottery is you can now afford to pay for someones rehab..

that's only one side of it though,  cuz no amount of money can pay for someones willful personality disorder.

that,  they have to accomplish completely on their own

by choice

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

From this point on, I'm done communicating with a moron like you. I will only be asking Vision the very first question.

So don't waste your precious last years on earth arguing with me. Save your energy, you'll need it.

BYE ROBOT !!!!

I bet you wouldn't puss out about my Christian beliefs if I was a woman though would you?

You don't like facing off with men.

You just like getting tough and pushing women around cuz it's an old family tradition.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Joker's a good name for ya.

Cuz you're a joke.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

you know,  the great aspects of winning the lottery is you can now afford to pay for someones rehab..

that's only one side of it though,  cuz no amount of money can pay for someones willful personality disorder.

that,  they have to accomplish completely on their own

by choice

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i just checked,  he passed out last night at 3:44am

his little green light is still on,  so that means his ability to hit the same exact post repeat button is still there.

let's give him till 3:45am to bring forth his "hard evidence" he claims he has stored on his manifesto hardrive

shoot,  i know he has to be teetering,  and since i am a reasonable guy,  he can bring it tomorrow

after he has slept it off

 

don't hold your breath,  joker doesn't have YNA (that's 'any' spelled backwards)

if he did,  he would have  bombed us with it ...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

He could answer that once again but what would the point be, because you'd just lie and say he never did again anyway.

You're really childish for a Christian hater.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Hey joker,

Did a Christian steal your girlfriend or something?

Is that why you hate Christians so much?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

We're just trying to help you joker.

Harboring all that hate is bad for you.

Let it go...

Center yourself...

OK, now together......

OOOOOOOhhhhhhhmmmmmmm........  OOOOOOooooohhhhhhmmmmmm.......

I think you just need to be held, little guy.

I'm worried sick about you.

OOOOOOOooooooohhhhhhmmmmmm..... OOOOOOOooooohhhhhmmmmm......

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

i just checked,  he passed out last night at 3:44am

his little green light is still on,  so that means his ability to hit the same exact post repeat button is still there.

let's give him till 3:45am to bring forth his "hard evidence" he claims he has stored on his manifesto hardrive

shoot,  i know he has to be teetering,  and since i am a reasonable guy,  he can bring it tomorrow

after he has slept it off

 

don't hold your breath,  joker doesn't have YNA (that's 'any' spelled backwards)

if he did,  he would have  bombed us with it ...

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I'm gonna buy you a little bunny rabbit!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 19, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

Why do you hate Christians so much?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Joker, it is Sunday now, our Sabbath Day, so I hope you'll show a little respect and not continue your crusade of hate against us on just this one day of the week.

Thank you.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Good night, joker.

Remember, God is love, let go of the hate.

We're all here for you.

Peace... Be still...

Shhhhh....

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This is the link that should be used to post the picture.

http://photoshopcontest.com/images/fullsize/9i0l6qgnug4sg6hoboj0o6eo3rpxm5cu65fb.gif

 

Elephant Trampoline

 

Do you see the difference?  Your link ends in .html - which indicates it is the entire web page.  But what you need is the exact location of the specific image - the link I posted, ends in .gif.  Which is the url for the image file (a .gif file and more specifically an animated gif, in this case).

At most websites you can locate the image url by placing your mouse over the image and right clicking.  Then choose properties.  When the properties come up, you have to manually copy the image location.  Always look for the actual image extension (for example: .gif .jpg .bmp).   Flickr does not let you right click images on their website, so that is one reason I mentioned that were not friendly to the idea of posting those images elsewhere on the net.  There are other websites that won't allow a right click also.  Just depends how each webmaster codes their pages.

Using a link that connects to their website, like the one I posted above is also called "hot linking."  A practice often frowned upon because that image is appearing here at Lottery Post using the bandwidth of the photoshopcontest.com website.  In other words, they are paying for the image to appear here.

Some places will prevent hot linking.  As long as you can save the image to your hard drive (right-click->choose Save Picture As...), you can then upload it to TinyPic and post it using the TinyPic url I explained previously.  TinyPic is in business to make images available while most websites would rather not be paying for their images posted around the net.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 19, 2011

This is the link that should be used to post the picture.

http://photoshopcontest.com/images/fullsize/9i0l6qgnug4sg6hoboj0o6eo3rpxm5cu65fb.gif

 

Elephant Trampoline

 

Do you see the difference?  Your link ends in .html - which indicates it is the entire web page.  But what you need is the exact location of the specific image - the link I posted, ends in .gif.  Which is the url for the image file (a .gif file and more specifically an animated gif, in this case).

At most websites you can locate the image url by placing your mouse over the image and right clicking.  Then choose properties.  When the properties come up, you have to manually copy the image location.  Always look for the actual image extension (for example: .gif .jpg .bmp).   Flickr does not let you right click images on their website, so that is one reason I mentioned that were not friendly to the idea of posting those images elsewhere on the net.  There are other websites that won't allow a right click also.  Just depends how each webmaster codes their pages.

Using a link that connects to their website, like the one I posted above is also called "hot linking."  A practice often frowned upon because that image is appearing here at Lottery Post using the bandwidth of the photoshopcontest.com website.  In other words, they are paying for the image to appear here.

Some places will prevent hot linking.  As long as you can save the image to your hard drive (right-click->choose Save Picture As...), you can then upload it to TinyPic and post it using the TinyPic url I explained previously.  TinyPic is in business to make images available while most websites would rather not be paying for their images posted around the net.

There's the feint.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i looked up the phrase "hard evidence" in the thesaurus book of integrity,  and nope,  joker's pic wasn't there.

i reduced the odds,  and just looked up the term "evidence",  and it said it was defined as "to provide something observable"

nope,  no go.

i had to aim lower,  so i looked up the term "excuse",  and lo and behold it had a stream of jokers pics at each age from each of the years he has been at LP.

for extra curiousity points, i also looked up the term "smokescreen",  and up came the phrase ......

"How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away"?    and right next to it was a reference pic of joker standing next to a purple pumperknickle pageant donkey standing next to the paris city limit sign.

what are the odds of THAT ?

no way he will address that odds anamoly,  nor will he tell the truth to the board him and i have already discussed this topic before.

"hard evidence"?    i think i would be happy if the guy would just stop lying.   even THAT is an accomplishment

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I always knew he was squirrelly but thought he meant well.

But lately you can see that he's come unhinged.

Little green men?

Please.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 19, 2011

I always knew he was squirrelly but thought he meant well.

But lately you can see that he's come unhinged.

Little green men?

Please.

shoot, we all are a little bit squirrelly at times,  but ever since joker has been in here, he has had a tude about Christians / Christianity in particular,  and that "tude" transcends his "meant well" intent possibility.

that is why i contend with him to the level i do,  because he doesn't "mean well".

he comes here to intentionally start garbage with his showcased lack of self control,  despite repeated warnings.

he may "behave" for abbrevihated  periods of time,  but his true motivations will eventually bare their teeth.

i could care less if he insists little green man have all the "answers",  that's his right.

what is snot his right is him taking free swings,  and thinking he isn't going to stand in the box and take a brush back pitch of his own.

give it,  but be a man,  and not only take what you have started,  but man up and back up what you say.

that's why i tied the boat anchor of "hard evidence" to his leg.

he knew he was full of it,  and didn't have squat to back it up.

since when does joker have "nothing to say"?

exactly  <----------

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

one of these days i will be in florida hailing a cab,  and God being God,  the irony of all ironies ......it will be joker driving.

that will be fine,  i don't mind.   i love what other people write off as "just a coincidence"

you know how i will know it's him?   

no,  not from the upside down cross hanging from his rear view mirror,  or the jesus figure with pins stuck into it on his dash......but that "angst" inspired smirk.

kinda like the joker in batman,  that "look",  with an obvious angst bent to it.

 

never met the guy. 

  just observed his consistment demeanor enough over the years that it would make him instantly recognizable.

i will ask for directions in french,  and then i will really freak him out by yelling as i get out the cab .....

.....   "hard evidence"...

  but,  half wit that i am,  i will wait till i am out of the cab.....because i don't want to go on THAT kinda ride Green laugh

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 19, 2011

i looked up the phrase "hard evidence" in the thesaurus book of integrity,  and nope,  joker's pic wasn't there.

i reduced the odds,  and just looked up the term "evidence",  and it said it was defined as "to provide something observable"

nope,  no go.

i had to aim lower,  so i looked up the term "excuse",  and lo and behold it had a stream of jokers pics at each age from each of the years he has been at LP.

for extra curiousity points, i also looked up the term "smokescreen",  and up came the phrase ......

"How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away"?    and right next to it was a reference pic of joker standing next to a purple pumperknickle pageant donkey standing next to the paris city limit sign.

what are the odds of THAT ?

no way he will address that odds anamoly,  nor will he tell the truth to the board him and i have already discussed this topic before.

"hard evidence"?    i think i would be happy if the guy would just stop lying.   even THAT is an accomplishment

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

joker, i just went back thru the thread and counted how many times you copied and pasted the above post from the original.

and including the original,  that makes 5 times you lied to the board we haven't already discussed this.

you really do have no conscience.

would you like to clear this up,  and tell the board (lie again) you and i haven't already discussed this matter?

you know what kind of level you are now operating on,  your not even man enough to address that, you will just lie again with a copy and paste post.

 that either we have / haven't discussed that particular "question" before

 

go ahead and dig yourself a hole you can't crawl out of.

remember,  all these posts are time and date stamped,  so everyone knows your the one that made the statement of "hard evidence" first,  and your the one that backed out the door after you did.

all you can do now is lie 5 times in a row,  instead of handling something you stated first.

wanna try for lie #6 without addressing the fact that we already have? 

i am really good at predicting,  and i bet you have your finger already pulsating waiting to post #6

be my guest,  it's your life you are allowing people to see as a pathetic mess

the only observable "hard evidence" = 5 and counting ...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 20, 2011

joker, i just went back thru the thread and counted how many times you copied and pasted the above post from the original.

and including the original,  that makes 5 times you lied to the board we haven't already discussed this.

you really do have no conscience.

would you like to clear this up,  and tell the board (lie again) you and i haven't already discussed this matter?

you know what kind of level you are now operating on,  your not even man enough to address that, you will just lie again with a copy and paste post.

 that either we have / haven't discussed that particular "question" before

 

go ahead and dig yourself a hole you can't crawl out of.

remember,  all these posts are time and date stamped,  so everyone knows your the one that made the statement of "hard evidence" first,  and your the one that backed out the door after you did.

all you can do now is lie 5 times in a row,  instead of handling something you stated first.

wanna try for lie #6 without addressing the fact that we already have? 

i am really good at predicting,  and i bet you have your finger already pulsating waiting to post #6

be my guest,  it's your life you are allowing people to see as a pathetic mess

the only observable "hard evidence" = 5 and counting ...

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

No Problems, Only Solutions....

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 20, 2011

joker, i just went back thru the thread and counted how many times you copied and pasted the above post from the original.

and including the original,  that makes 5 times you lied to the board we haven't already discussed this.

you really do have no conscience.

would you like to clear this up,  and tell the board (lie again) you and i haven't already discussed this matter?

you know what kind of level you are now operating on,  your not even man enough to address that, you will just lie again with a copy and paste post.

 that either we have / haven't discussed that particular "question" before

 

go ahead and dig yourself a hole you can't crawl out of.

remember,  all these posts are time and date stamped,  so everyone knows your the one that made the statement of "hard evidence" first,  and your the one that backed out the door after you did.

all you can do now is lie 5 times in a row,  instead of handling something you stated first.

wanna try for lie #6 without addressing the fact that we already have? 

i am really good at predicting,  and i bet you have your finger already pulsating waiting to post #6

be my guest,  it's your life you are allowing people to see as a pathetic mess

the only observable "hard evidence" = 5 and counting ...

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

 

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

whoops,  i win another thread.

looks like joker either passed out early tonight, 

or he left the building,  slithering out the back exit when i noted that it was a 5 time lie that we "haven't" already covered this before (and because he is not man enough to handle his own business he starts first),  he throws up some desperate smokescreen in an attempt to sell all of LP ..."he is the man"...

your all wrapper, and no candy joker

bye bye  Party

you are not allowed to park in the handicapped parking space any longer

some people are a trite bit embarrased after being busted lying 5 times in a row

if it takes you 5 times before you even start to grow a conscience,  there is some real psychosis brewing within

but,  for joker, 5 times seems the magic number  (or at least it is until he returns from the refrigerator).

not to worry,  i have a "lie calculator" ready,  and a special treat for him if he is deluded enough to go to #6.

and he will

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

GEEZE, at least wait until i get done orchaestrating my post,  joker.....before you spit out #6

look at the time stamp.   i won't even finish this post,  and #7 will be in the books

ok,  for my "special treat".

here we go again.     another example of the difference between how a man of his word operates,  and a man who is weak and desperate.

i made the claim that joker and i have already discussed this before,  and this is only jokers weak attempt at skating from personal responsibility because he is nothing but a trolling trouble maker.

you don't play in the big leagues joker unless you have big league game.

my HARD EVIDENCE PROOF against joker,  against the fact that i told the truth that we have already went over this is found on page 70 of the "statistically speaking QP's and PP's" thread.

he asked that same question......AND I ANSWERED IT

sorry joker, your trolling just for trouble days are numbered. 

now everyone knows you lie, and just spray the board for sport

 

wanna see how real men handle thier business with ACTUAL HARD PROOF EVIDENCE?

fine,  here it is ----->  https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217100/70

i told you not to try and play a guy like me. 

i did an exhaustive search tonight for that thread / post.

know why?   because i do what i say,  and you never do

while i was looking for that particular exchange,  i scored a little two-fer deal  Hyper

on that same page (70) is where DD made his pervert comment about young girls

he lied to that he never said that.

God always eventually vindicates those that belong to Him (that would be me).

you guys just don't get it.   there will never come a time where you can "one up" a person who knows God.

your welcome to try though,  because then i get to "teach"

"OUI"?

see,  that's how  "HARD EVIDENCE"  works......by actually providing what you say you have.

you?   you ain't got SQUAT

you never have / your just a blowhard backed by an occasional binge of little green bottles

your own "hard evidence" struck yourself out like a candle in the wind

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i am long winded,  so just to make sure the case against joker doesn't get lost...

here it is ------>  https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217100/70

"statistically speaking QP's and PP's"

            page 70

Stack47

This thread has gone so far off topic, I'm surprised nobody brought up the Stanley Cup, NBA finals, or the results of the Christians vs the Lions in the Roman Coliseum in 150 CE.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 20, 2011

This thread has gone so far off topic, I'm surprised nobody brought up the Stanley Cup, NBA finals, or the results of the Christians vs the Lions in the Roman Coliseum in 150 CE.

Christians were thrown to the lions.

But we won't be thrown to the cab drivers, LOL.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 20, 2011

This thread has gone so far off topic, I'm surprised nobody brought up the Stanley Cup, NBA finals, or the results of the Christians vs the Lions in the Roman Coliseum in 150 CE.

Well, high 5 for at least honestly replicating history, 
but still cracks me up that people like you throw veiled posts of displeasure......while still reading every bit of it

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

while being neck deep in quandry sludge,  i am now dead straight curious as to joker's next move.

he swore he would bomb the thread with his "blah blah blah" post until i answered it (again),  or until the thread dies,  or todd locks it.

so now does joker not keep his word, now that he just got busted for his screendoor in a submarine "defense" of spraying the board because he refuses to handle his own assertions?

does he feign "disinterest",  "i am far too busy", or blantantly hide back under the faux constructed rock out of emabarrassment?

does he man up and handle his own "hard evidence" finally?

me,  i am placing my bet on win, place AND show..... which in code means this leopard won't change his spots,  despite exposing his motives

he will lick his woundage,  regroup,  then come back in another thread of like substance the same guy.

well,   with mybe even more angst.

uncontrolled angst doesn't ever gather moss

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 20, 2011

This thread has gone so far off topic, I'm surprised nobody brought up the Stanley Cup, NBA finals, or the results of the Christians vs the Lions in the Roman Coliseum in 150 CE.

hey stack,  since you are a car carrying member of the thread police,  you ought to know when this thread went "off topic".

would you like to give us your professional opinion as to when it did,  and especially who took it there?

i like this kind of stuff. 

i like highlighting peoples motives,  to give others a fair glimpse into "why" people say things.

the board awaits your "expertise"...

jimmy4164

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 20, 2011

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

Somebody who calls himself "mccainisthrough" did the video so I'm sure it's not the least bit biased.

Libs are such an annoyance.

No offense Nancy, but effeminate men creep me out.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Still no appearance from stack to address his "concerns".

But that's ok,  because that's fully inline with the way stack hides behind a tree, then only pokes his head out long enough to throw a stone at something He doesn't like, then its back behind the tree.

Evidenced by the fact he won't say nothin to jimmy, because afterall THAT post favors stack's position.

Motives.  I am pretty dern good at highlighting peoples motives...

joker17

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

 

NO ANSWER?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 20, 2011

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

Don't waste your time. Remember who you're writing to.

On one hand, you have this troubled individual Visine, who really believes he has insider information on God. And then you have a redneck, backward Hillbilly who can't even watch videos, and who drinks like a fish,  proporting to have a clue about reality, much less cognitive problem solving abilities. 

It's a futile attempt. 

joker17

All I hear is crickets....CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP....

Can't answer a simple freaking question.....

 

crickets

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Don't waste your time. Remember who you're writing to.

On one hand, you have this troubled individual Visine, who really believes he has insider information on God. And then you have a redneck, backward Hillbilly who can't even watch videos, and who drinks like a fish,  proporting to have a clue about reality, much less cognitive problem solving abilities. 

It's a futile attempt. 

"who drinks like a fish"...

give us a break........ your drunken posts are legendary in here. 

got you fully booted to the curb once before under a diffferent screename,  not to mention your being sent on temporary time out a couple of different times,  and you are calling ridge out?

this might be your *best* indicator post yet

 

i lost track now,  and don't care to go back thru the thread to count how many times you had no game by reposting your lame induced latest excuse.

good thing with my see it all the way to the finish line sticktuitiveness,   everyone else knows it too now.

anyone that screams across the board they have something (like you),  then refuses to bring it forth (like you),  is nothing but a pinnochio among real men

repost your refusal post 1,040 times in a row (about equal to how many days in a row france has made an appearance),  but still no one cares

 

 i asked you FIRST  about what you meant by "hard evidence",  and you REFUSED to answer it,  chickened straight away OUT OF IT, and then descended into wuss 101 by 'demanding' i answer you .  Green laugh

 

                                   

                                             we all know now exactly what you dont have

                                   every "repost" you post just solidifies your schicken status

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

All I hear is crickets....CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP....

Can't answer a simple freaking question.....

 

crickets

you mean about "hard evidence"?                      i know,  you fully wussed on that.

not your first wuss-a-thon.

 

i hope you didn't just lie to the board again for the umpteenth time in one thread,  because i already have

in case you wanna lie to the board again,  and tell them you "missed it",  here it is.....again

                                          https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217100/70

                                             "statistically speaking; QP's and PP's" thread

                                                                    page 70

 

                                       see why i  LOVE  and adore prerecorded history?

    because archived / prerecorded data cannot be defended against,  once a person is caught red handed  lying about it

you know joker,  like you were caught red handed lying about "never" calling perfectiming that nasty go to for you

lying has now become a regular intersection for you.

congradulations.   

 you are so close to finding the truths of life that way

 

prerecorded history IS "hard evidence"   (1st visiondude 3:3 1/2)

joker17

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

 

NO ANSWER?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

joker17

SIMPLE FREAKIN QUESTION....

DUH....HELLO!!!!!!!!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

let's do this another way,   so we can get straight to it.

did i already answer this particular question before.

yes or no ?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 21, 2011

let's do this another way,   so we can get straight to it.

did i already answer this particular question before.

yes or no ?

NO !

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

go ahead,  yes or no questions are easy,  and take no time to answer

besides,  your little green "online' light is on.

so ???

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 21, 2011

go ahead,  yes or no questions are easy,  and take no time to answer

besides,  your little green "online' light is on.

so ???

I answered your question.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

NO !

good.

now that we can see your a just a tad on the slow side in the "what's really true" addition game of life,  now that you answered "no",     ......my job of demonstrating who you really aren't   is complete.

based on page 70 of the other thread,  anyone that reads page 70 knows you are now nothing but a liar.

 

DD made child molestation on LP seem "natural" in his self admisssion post,  so he gets the worst poster on LP award.

tonight,  you just nailed down 2nd place.

heinous beats out bizzare everytime,  so lucky for you,  the #1 spot is occupied by someone else

trouble is,  in your twisted world,  you will add that up as some sort of an accomplishment, being "#2" and all

 

you are one out there dude,  but i know the "drinking part" has nothing to do with it

unchecked angst has the capacity to drive a human being literally insane

just ask dr phil

on second thought,  ask God.   He created dr phil

joker17

Why don't you remind me of what your answer was to the question I posed so I can laugh even harder this time.

Either answer the question or get help Visine.

Self delusion can be detrimental to your overall well being Visine. Maybe Thor can help.

joker17

Can't repeat his "So Called" "original answer" to the question.

Unhappy

joker17

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Why don't you remind me of what your answer was to the question I posed so I can laugh even harder this time.

Either answer the question or get help Visine.

Self delusion can be detrimental to your overall well being Visine. Maybe Thor can help.

you just lied in your previous post that i "never answered it" ever ...........when you replied "no"

and now you will "laugh harder this time"?  <----------(fully indicating i have before)   .....

how is that possible when i never answered it in the first place?

 

 

you already read it on page 70 of that link to that threads conversation, and you want me to "remind you"?

would you like to lie to the board you haven't read those posts on that page 70 thread? 

everyone here knows you would have.

 

your stall tactics and carnival antics undermine what you attempt to sell yourself in here. 

 it's a pathetic joke

 

dizzying smokescreens because your not man enough.   big whoop.

and you probably tell yourself you are at the top of the heap when it comes to these arena's of life

it's embarrassing that i have to play a part in your own personal self implosion

but,  occasionally,  it's my protect the territory job description

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 20, 2011

i am long winded,  so just to make sure the case against joker doesn't get lost...

here it is ------>  https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217100/70

"statistically speaking QP's and PP's"

            page 70

Had you answered my questions satisfactorily, we would'nt be having these one way futile debates.

Give it up.

Either answer my question, or I'll be forced to keep reposting the question over and over.

I'll give you a hint.......(You can't answer it).....

joker17

Hey Vision, get help dude. Seriously....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Can't repeat his "So Called" "original answer" to the question.

Unhappy

why would i ?

since i already answered it,  it's just your wuss tactics to keep from handling your personal responsibility,  and that's the only reason you asked it again.

smokescreen it so you think don't have to

compared to how much trash you talk in here,  you got nothin to back it up when it gets right to it

 

not to worry.   your not the originator of the wuss cut and run when someone like me has enough skill to paint you into a corner on what you "claim" is true.

your just another in a long list of come hithers that think they can,  and when they can't, they manufacture some smokescreen tactic "why" they can't,  and head for the exit

your not even an original when it comes to this.

that HAS to be bad news,  given your level of wishful thinking "you could"

just in this thread alone you lied your way clear now of credibility

any "delusion" you desire to add above that fact i guess is the bonus plan against you

"hard evidence" huh?  Green laugh

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

ANSWER IT !

joker17

Can't answer it huh?

 

You're a tool of the collective brainwashed puppets. A TOOL !

Can't answer a simple question.....

PATHETIC !

I had enough of this Romper Room Bull Schmidt....

Good Night !

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Had you answered my questions satisfactorily, we would'nt be having these one way futile debates.

Give it up.

Either answer my question, or I'll be forced to keep reposting the question over and over.

I'll give you a hint.......(You can't answer it).....

go ahead.

repost it 1,040 times in a row,  it will still be a lie

 

shoot,  the way you willfully lie about the true replication of historical events ,  "satisfactorily" is a code word for you that actually means "i wussed out,  so i will have him do it again,  so i don't have to".

"and i will keep doing it.....so i won't have to"

you just keep throwing garbage against a wall,  hoping it sticks.

that's a crock excuse, 'satisfactorily'.

that's a lying cop out

it's nothing but a lie,  because even if i had answered it 10 other times in the past,  you would still pull this garbage

you complain about being an angry dude,  and yet you do stupid stuff like this that compounds your anger

how in the heck do you pretend to think you will ever bail yourself out of this hole while acting like this?

purposefully lying doesn't affect me whatsoever.   in fact,  it makes my position SOLID.

but you, your in self destruct mode if you think lying and blaming me is your road out of this

and,  your acting like you and i are the only ones that read this stuff.

hundreds,  maybe thousands of people possibly are witness to your descent,  is that your wish,  a "televised" witness of your personal self destruction?

look,  there will never come that time where you are going to "successfully" blame me for willful stupid stuff you do.

posting and reposting your willful lies only vindicates me,  and since i am mr longevity,  go for it,  it will only end badly for you

me.  i am free AND clear

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

sweet,  "hard evidence" has stage fright again tonight.

wanna bet that "hard evidence" won't make an appearance tomorrow night?

or the next night?

or consecutive "next night's" for 1,037 days in a row?

 

seems to me if there was "hard evidence",  it certainly wouldn't be afraid

"hard evidence" is ALWAYS the boldest guy in the room,  because he is the only guy in the room that can afford to be.

no glass chin on that "hard evidence" guy

'hard evidence' isn't afraid of anybody,  or any spotlight

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 21, 2011

sweet,  "hard evidence" has stage fright again tonight.

wanna bet that "hard evidence" won't make an appearance tomorrow night?

or the next night?

or consecutive "next night's" for 1,037 days in a row?

 

seems to me if there was "hard evidence",  it certainly wouldn't be afraid

"hard evidence" is ALWAYS the boldest guy in the room,  because he is the only guy in the room that can afford to be.

no glass chin on that "hard evidence" guy

'hard evidence' isn't afraid of anybody,  or any spotlight

hey 1037 thats one of the numbers i play Cool

Feadogger

Edited because I forgot to quote that I was replying to joker17s question:

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

ANSWER IT !

 

 

Because she has an excellent aestheticician and uses a great night cream under the eyes.  Doesn't look a day over 3030 if you ask me.  But a real gentleman never discusses a lady's true age.Banana

 

Ba dum bum.

I like the fact that even though you have seriously differing opinions, you aren't afraid to discuss them openly, and THINK.  Geez, if you knew how many people are walking around in a brainwashed FOG, you would be impressed.  And I don't just mean brainwashed by religious indoctrination.  Brainwashing by half witted parents is one major factor but I also mean brainwashed by increasingly inane TV and movie plotlines, the collective IQ of our society seeming to drop (every time someone gains a follower on Twitter, at least one other person loses 2 IQ points, kinda like It's a Wonderful Life) and the very existence of certain reality TV shows that I won't specify in case someone is a fan.  Let them have their love of stupid.

It is just me, or I am developing a strange respect and affection for Ridge?  I don't even know him, but his bitingly humorous and no-filter straight to the point posts have started to grow on me.  Or maybe it's moss, I should probably move around more often.

Either way, I hope eventually you all chillax about this to some degree.  Healthy debate is what keeps the intellectual capacity of a society from stagnating.  And I get the feeling that people don't like getting pwned by Ridge, since he doesn't really use gentleness and kid gloves about it and loads it with "his" flavor of humor.  But perhaps that's his way of making you think and challenging your belief structure.  That's what I keep telling myself when I sound like him in real life and it ticks people off.  My best friend describes dealing with me kinda that same way, so I'll put an Appalachian spin on it.  "If you're scared of the Runner, stay away from the Ridge."  One can always choose not to engage.  I don't like getting into (snip)ping contests.  I have a small bladder and everyone always ends up smelling bad after its done.

Just for the record, I'm not an uneducated bumpkin (2 separate bachelors, one in psychology, and a medical doctorate) but I'm also a staunch Christian.  I guess I could be described as Catholic fusion.  1/3 less guilt plus the secret ingredient of being a scientist without it conflicting with my beliefs.  This is not the "I love Rdgnr and he is always right" fan club.  I'm not a coat-tail rider or groupie.  I have a lot of respect for what MANY people have said on this forum.  I don't always agree, and I think some of them are downright limited, but at least you're putting it out there.

Go Team LP . . . I think . . .

Feadogger

See I don't even read here enough to get his name straight, but you know what I mean about Appalachian man.

He's the dude with the crazy avatar that reminds me of my uncle Jimmy.  Uncle Jimmy would call me "Sam" even though my name was Megan, and carried a bell jar of his own moonshine in the back pocket.  I tasted it ONE time, swallowed a leaf and lost half my vocal range.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Joker is like a boxer who's suffered a knockout punch and is trying to stay up on his wobbly legs while flailing wildly at anything that appears in his double-visioned purview.

There's just no way he can recover from the total loss of credibility he suffered when he said he never called Perfecttiming a dumbass and then lied about it when shown evidence (Coverups always seem to eclipse the actual infraction). Especially when it's all right there for everybody to see. He clearly called her a dumbass and he knows it but thinks some are stupid enough to believe he was talking about somebody else when he was clearly responding directly to her post and her.

Add to that how adamant he is in defending his lies as truth and you see how futile the conduction of debate becomes.

Now the task for him becomes obfuscation, changing the subject and repetition of the same previously answered question while he tries to regroup and hopefully come out of this with some semblance of his dignity intact.

Somebody stick a fork in him.

He's done.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Feadogger on Jun 21, 2011

See I don't even read here enough to get his name straight, but you know what I mean about Appalachian man.

He's the dude with the crazy avatar that reminds me of my uncle Jimmy.  Uncle Jimmy would call me "Sam" even though my name was Megan, and carried a bell jar of his own moonshine in the back pocket.  I tasted it ONE time, swallowed a leaf and lost half my vocal range.

LOL

I like you, Megan.

I like people who talk straight and make sense while being friendly and possess a good sense of humor and wit.

Yer purty clever too!

What in tarnation does Feadogger mean though?

Feadogger

Thanks homie!  I value that coming from you.  A "feadog" is one name for the Irish tin whistle.  My husband and I are amateur players, and I was looking for a totally unique internet name, so I took the Irish name of the flute, and added -ger to it to signify that I play it.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Feadogger on Jun 21, 2011

Thanks homie!  I value that coming from you.  A "feadog" is one name for the Irish tin whistle.  My husband and I are amateur players, and I was looking for a totally unique internet name, so I took the Irish name of the flute, and added -ger to it to signify that I play it.

Cool!

Thanks, yer one of the few people in history that've told me something I didn't know already (ask my wife). But I am an Oracle, afterall.

Homie?

You hillfolk?

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 20, 2011

More blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

Answer the tough questions and then I may consider you to be in my presence. You're not worthy to be writing back to me unless you answer the first question. If you elude the question, I will ask it again and again till you either say you can't answer it for whatever reason,  simply don't know, or when Todd locks this thread.

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

 

What?Joker17, I have a question for you.  Don't go to a dictionary, the internet to get a definition.  I want you to answer this question in your own words and what you think the answer is.  What is a fact? This is not a trick question. 

What we believe, who we are, how we put together things in our mind, etc. our "always, always being" has a lot to do with our definition of a fact.

Just curious of how you define what a fact is. 

Feadogger

Err . . . I kinda don't make sense in the slang I use.  I was raised by a bunch of Old Southern Women, so I can dodge thorns and June Bugs to gather berries and cook homemade cobbler, while talking trash about people and following it with "Bless Her Heart" - that makes the insults not count, of course.Evil Looking

I was a hippie flower child in college, so everything is GROOOOOVY.  But I graduated as the only white female in a minority high school, so I use a lot of pseudo-ebonics terms and shake my head, hips and throw up the hand when I get mad.  I just pick up the lingo wherever I have been in my life.  I was insufferable after coming home one summer from vacation.  It took me 2 months to shed the Jersey accent.

But I called you homie not for geographic reasons but because I feel I find a kindred soul in your intellect and views on many things.  My friends call me Megipedia because there isn't something you talk about that I don't already know and refer to me as "creepy girl with ESP" since I tend to predict people's behaviors before they occur. 

I think we are shaking the foundation of reality here, Ridge.  Can two people who are convinced they know most everything be friends?  Or will we destroy reality from the friction of an unstoppable force meeting the immovable object?  Only time will tell . . .

I seriously like your style.

Feadogger

Very cool Tenaj.  My psych mentor would be proud.  You are making him functionally define "fact" - that what he is asking for, as well as recognizing the role of reality as we see it.  I love sitting at my kitchen table with lemon drop martinis and discussing what is truth, what is fact, etc.

Ask someone sometime what is a chair.  They will usually describe the form, the appearance, etc.  But everyone leaves out the functional definition of what a chair really is.  Does it have to have four legs?  Does it change to a stool if you break the back off it?  Does it lose its form of being a chair if a leg is broken off or if you cease to use it?

Just being weird, sorry.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Feadogger on Jun 21, 2011

Err . . . I kinda don't make sense in the slang I use.  I was raised by a bunch of Old Southern Women, so I can dodge thorns and June Bugs to gather berries and cook homemade cobbler, while talking trash about people and following it with "Bless Her Heart" - that makes the insults not count, of course.Evil Looking

I was a hippie flower child in college, so everything is GROOOOOVY.  But I graduated as the only white female in a minority high school, so I use a lot of pseudo-ebonics terms and shake my head, hips and throw up the hand when I get mad.  I just pick up the lingo wherever I have been in my life.  I was insufferable after coming home one summer from vacation.  It took me 2 months to shed the Jersey accent.

But I called you homie not for geographic reasons but because I feel I find a kindred soul in your intellect and views on many things.  My friends call me Megipedia because there isn't something you talk about that I don't already know and refer to me as "creepy girl with ESP" since I tend to predict people's behaviors before they occur. 

I think we are shaking the foundation of reality here, Ridge.  Can two people who are convinced they know most everything be friends?  Or will we destroy reality from the friction of an unstoppable force meeting the immovable object?  Only time will tell . . .

I seriously like your style.

Yeah, watch out for them blackberry thorns now. June Bugs I've had filtered through my teeth on the motorcycle. They're full of yeller pus or custard or something like that but they don't taste very good at all.

Now I don't think both of us knowin everything would commence us to fussin but that hippie dippie flower child stuff... well... let's talk about somethin else.

Now maybe when y'all get good on them feadogs you can play at the Carter Family Fold sometime and we'll come see ya. Hope ya can clog to that or them hillbillies'll git vahlint.

Nice meetin ya Megan, hope to hear more from ya in the forums and best of luck to ya! LepYes NodThumbs Up

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

Quote: Originally posted by Feadogger on Jun 21, 2011

Very cool Tenaj.  My psych mentor would be proud.  You are making him functionally define "fact" - that what he is asking for, as well as recognizing the role of reality as we see it.  I love sitting at my kitchen table with lemon drop martinis and discussing what is truth, what is fact, etc.

Ask someone sometime what is a chair.  They will usually describe the form, the appearance, etc.  But everyone leaves out the functional definition of what a chair really is.  Does it have to have four legs?  Does it change to a stool if you break the back off it?  Does it lose its form of being a chair if a leg is broken off or if you cease to use it?

Just being weird, sorry.

OK, I'm busted.  But how we view and define a fact is our reality.  And we all have our own reality going on.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Feadogger on Jun 21, 2011

Edited because I forgot to quote that I was replying to joker17s question:

How is the universe only a few thousand years old, when there are galaxies billions of light years away?

ANSWER IT !

 

 

Because she has an excellent aestheticician and uses a great night cream under the eyes.  Doesn't look a day over 3030 if you ask me.  But a real gentleman never discusses a lady's true age.Banana

 

Ba dum bum.

I like the fact that even though you have seriously differing opinions, you aren't afraid to discuss them openly, and THINK.  Geez, if you knew how many people are walking around in a brainwashed FOG, you would be impressed.  And I don't just mean brainwashed by religious indoctrination.  Brainwashing by half witted parents is one major factor but I also mean brainwashed by increasingly inane TV and movie plotlines, the collective IQ of our society seeming to drop (every time someone gains a follower on Twitter, at least one other person loses 2 IQ points, kinda like It's a Wonderful Life) and the very existence of certain reality TV shows that I won't specify in case someone is a fan.  Let them have their love of stupid.

It is just me, or I am developing a strange respect and affection for Ridge?  I don't even know him, but his bitingly humorous and no-filter straight to the point posts have started to grow on me.  Or maybe it's moss, I should probably move around more often.

Either way, I hope eventually you all chillax about this to some degree.  Healthy debate is what keeps the intellectual capacity of a society from stagnating.  And I get the feeling that people don't like getting pwned by Ridge, since he doesn't really use gentleness and kid gloves about it and loads it with "his" flavor of humor.  But perhaps that's his way of making you think and challenging your belief structure.  That's what I keep telling myself when I sound like him in real life and it ticks people off.  My best friend describes dealing with me kinda that same way, so I'll put an Appalachian spin on it.  "If you're scared of the Runner, stay away from the Ridge."  One can always choose not to engage.  I don't like getting into (snip)ping contests.  I have a small bladder and everyone always ends up smelling bad after its done.

Just for the record, I'm not an uneducated bumpkin (2 separate bachelors, one in psychology, and a medical doctorate) but I'm also a staunch Christian.  I guess I could be described as Catholic fusion.  1/3 less guilt plus the secret ingredient of being a scientist without it conflicting with my beliefs.  This is not the "I love Rdgnr and he is always right" fan club.  I'm not a coat-tail rider or groupie.  I have a lot of respect for what MANY people have said on this forum.  I don't always agree, and I think some of them are downright limited, but at least you're putting it out there.

Go Team LP . . . I think . . .

Ridge is a loser and a dumbass, and he has some dumbass followers who adore his wit, but unfortunately for him, he should stick to his comedy, cause he stinks when it comes to answering simple questions, just like Visine. When he's stuck in the corner, he switches gears by using racist remarks as a defense. This clearly shows he has nothing valubale to contribute, so putting someone down in that fashion is his only PATHETIC way.

Pathetic hillbilly thinks he has a monopoly on truth. And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God. I'm surrounded by crazy delusional fanatics who can't even get their fanaticism correct. Crazy

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Ridge is a loser and a dumbass, and he has some dumbass followers who adore his wit, but unfortunately for him, he should stick to his comedy, cause he stinks when it comes to answering simple questions, just like Visine. When he's stuck in the corner, he switches gears by using racist remarks as a defense. This clearly shows he has nothing valubale to contribute, so putting someone down in that fashion is his only PATHETIC way.

Pathetic hillbilly thinks he has a monopoly on truth. And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God. I'm surrounded by crazy delusional fanatics who can't even get their fanaticism correct. Crazy

Maybe you should consult your little green men then.

That's rational.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on Jun 21, 2011

What?Joker17, I have a question for you.  Don't go to a dictionary, the internet to get a definition.  I want you to answer this question in your own words and what you think the answer is.  What is a fact? This is not a trick question. 

What we believe, who we are, how we put together things in our mind, etc. our "always, always being" has a lot to do with our definition of a fact.

Just curious of how you define what a fact is. 

xTo me, a fact is something that can be verified by either a scientific approach that is proven, or by circumstantial eveidence. Not all things can fit so neatly into this because even scientific tests have flaws. But most importantly, I find that a mixture of common sense and factual evidence makes the best tool for reaching a decision, but that's just my opinion.

It's a FACT, that light travels 186,000 per second, and it's IMPOSSIBLE based on that FACT, that the universe can only be a few thousand years old. The reason folks don't want to tackle this is because they have NO answer. Jarasan attempted a while back by mentioning Tachyons that are claimed to travel faster than the speed of light, but unfortunately he didn't do is homework because Tachyons are nothing but hypothetical. Even if they were real, they would present a whole host of other contradictions.

That is why I'm an Agnostic. I don't know for sure whether there is a God or not, and I don't claim I have insider serects to this, no one does, If they do, then they are delusional. So since there is no clear evidence of whether he exists, and even If he did, which of the THOUSANDS of Gods would you choose, so I choose to be spiritual.

But here's what I was talking about earlier when I said fact and common sense play a vital role. Over the years I came to the conclusion that since we are made of energy, and and enery cannot be destroyed, only changes, that there may POSSIBLY be a way for some form of ourselves to continue after this life has ended. And that's where my spirituality comes in. I'm open to the possibilities out there, but I will NEVER EVER subscribe to organized religion. There are literally WAY TOO many variables in life for one religion to be correct and all the other thousands to be wrong, unless that one religion can PROVE to be the right one. Til this day, none of them can prove anything except quotes fom their own texts.

If there is a God out there, and he's a loving God who knows more than we will ever be able to imagine, I'm willing to bet my soul that he has a much better approach with dealing with humans who actually take the time to search for truth, and not blindly accept the most convenient path and pick one of the top five popular religions, claiming they are right and everyone else is wrong.

There's a word for that kind of behavior. It's called DELUSIONAL.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Ridge is a loser and a dumbass, and he has some dumbass followers who adore his wit, but unfortunately for him, he should stick to his comedy, cause he stinks when it comes to answering simple questions, just like Visine. When he's stuck in the corner, he switches gears by using racist remarks as a defense. This clearly shows he has nothing valubale to contribute, so putting someone down in that fashion is his only PATHETIC way.

Pathetic hillbilly thinks he has a monopoly on truth. And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God. I'm surrounded by crazy delusional fanatics who can't even get their fanaticism correct. Crazy

"...he switches gears by using racist remarks as a defense."

 

What on Earth do you want me to call them if calling them your "little green men" is "racist"?

You're getting so protective of them I think you're starting to enjoy the "probing".

That's not healthy!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Ridge is a loser and a dumbass, and he has some dumbass followers who adore his wit, but unfortunately for him, he should stick to his comedy, cause he stinks when it comes to answering simple questions, just like Visine. When he's stuck in the corner, he switches gears by using racist remarks as a defense. This clearly shows he has nothing valubale to contribute, so putting someone down in that fashion is his only PATHETIC way.

Pathetic hillbilly thinks he has a monopoly on truth. And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God. I'm surrounded by crazy delusional fanatics who can't even get their fanaticism correct. Crazy

"visine"  .....i missed this earlier,  but yes,  i do have clear "vision",  i do work hard at making sure i give the best opportunity for others to have "clear vision",  and occasionally just like the directions state on the front of the bottle "it get's the red out",  we all know that's true as well,  when i have to,  when guys like you come across my radar.

"And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God"

 not a "phone line" because that's old school.   i have the latest technology (4gs),  and no,  i am not the only one.

there are millions of "us" that do.

you sell the notion that no one can,  and we all know even with an ambivilent attitude about it is if there is a God,  alot of people would.

you have this deep seeded hatred for God,  and your first move always demonstrates that,  so why on earth would you think otherwise,  that nobody "should"?

 

anyway,  we all have our quirks, and in the heat of it all we do and say stupid things.

all of us

angst driven stupidity is one thing,  but willful no conscience lying.....that's a deal breaker in the ethics whose who game of life.

ridge spoke the truth.  when you consistently lie and several subject matters,  your deal is over as far as being a 'trustable" huamn being in the ethics game of life.

defending different opinions is one thing,  willfull lying means your done

maybe you can save face and explain to the board how you can "demand" i answer one question (when i already have),  but yet you lied about sending that email,  no "photo" of that $1000 check,  refused to confirm my story with todd,  refused to set up arrangements to view my journal, lied about perfectiming and lied incessantly  about answering your question?

this is why i so ardously defend against you,  to prove all you want to do is "wrassle".

your not here to "debate".   

you never have been here for that since 2005,  since your other "screename" where you got booted to the curb

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 21, 2011

"visine"  .....i missed this earlier,  but yes,  i do have clear "vision",  i do work hard at making sure i give the best opportunity for others to have "clear vision",  and occasionally just like the directions state on the front of the bottle "it get's the red out",  we all know that's true as well,  when i have to,  when guys like you come across my radar.

"And Vision believes he's got a phone line to God"

 not a "phone line" because that's old school.   i have the latest technology (4gs),  and no,  i am not the only one.

there are millions of "us" that do.

you sell the notion that no one can,  and we all know even with an ambivilent attitude about it is if there is a God,  alot of people would.

you have this deep seeded hatred for God,  and your first move always demonstrates that,  so why on earth would you think otherwise,  that nobody "should"?

 

anyway,  we all have our quirks, and in the heat of it all we do and say stupid things.

all of us

angst driven stupidity is one thing,  but willful no conscience lying.....that's a deal breaker in the ethics whose who game of life.

ridge spoke the truth.  when you consistently lie and several subject matters,  your deal is over as far as being a 'trustable" huamn being in the ethics game of life.

defending different opinions is one thing,  willfull lying means your done

maybe you can save face and explain to the board how you can "demand" i answer one question (when i already have),  but yet you lied about sending that email,  no "photo" of that $1000 check,  refused to confirm my story with todd,  refused to set up arrangements to view my journal, lied about perfectiming and lied incessantly  about answering your question?

this is why i so ardously defend against you,  to prove all you want to do is "wrassle".

your not here to "debate".   

you never have been here for that since 2005,  since your other "screename" where you got booted to the curb

You can't answer a simple question without writing the same old blah blah blah over and over again.

I think my mission in this thread is done. Everyone who's read this can easily see that both you and Ridge can't answer a simple question, musch less a hundred other contradictions I could easily post.

Both of you wouldn't last 3 seconds in a debate forum concerning all of this. I've been to a few forums on the net. Forget about me, they'd eat you guys for lunch.

Like i said, it's a waste of time talking to a couple simpletons.

I think I'll head over to some of those forums where there are intelligent debates going on.

This debate here isn't even a debate, it's a circus with a couple of clowns.

You guys are no brainers to me. It's not fun when there's no challenge. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

You can't answer a simple question without writing the same old blah blah blah over and over again.

I think my mission in this thread is done. Everyone who's read this can easily see that both you and Ridge can't answer a simple question, musch less a hundred other contradictions I could easily post.

Both of you wouldn't last 3 seconds in a debate forum concerning all of this. I've been to a few forums on the net. Forget about me, they'd eat you guys for lunch.

Like i said, it's a waste of time talking to a couple simpletons.

I think I'll head over to some of those forums where there are intelligent debates going on.

This debate here isn't even a debate, it's a circus with a couple of clowns.

You guys are no brainers to me. It's not fun when there's no challenge. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Maybe that's where you belong if you want to debate religion.

The rest of us are here to discuss and trade notes and learn about all things lottery.

The debate only started because you hate Christians and refuse to allow them to mention their faith in simple conversation. You take it as a personal affront if a Christian mentions he or she prayed for this or that. Get over yourself, every post that mentions God isn't an attack on you that you have to defend against. They aren't even directed at you but you think they are for some reason. I think it's called paranoia.

You say you have a right to disagree and voice your opinion about anything anybody says in a post - that's your rationale for attacking Christians. Well guess what? We have the same right to disagree and voice our opinions about what you say too.

But you go into a psychotic meltdown everytime we do.

Oh well.

 

Good luck at the "debates" where everybody is on the same side. It's a lot friendlier that way, isn't it?

Freakazoid :   "Like wow man, Bush lied, people died!"

Bongman:       "Like dude, like where's the WMD's dude? Oh wow man, bummer dude. Gnarly." 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

Maybe that's where you belong if you want to debate religion.

The rest of us are here to discuss and trade notes and learn about all things lottery.

The debate only started because you hate Christians and refuse to allow them to mention their faith in simple conversation. You take it as a personal affront if a Christian mentions he or she prayed for this or that. Get over yourself, every post that mentions God isn't an attack on you that you have to defend against. They aren't even directed at you but you think they are for some reason. I think it's called paranoia.

You say you have a right to disagree and voice your opinion about anything anybody says in a post - that's your rationale for attacking Christians. Well guess what? We have the same right to disagree and voice our opinions about what you say too.

But you go into a psychotic meltdown everytime we do.

Oh well.

 

Good luck at the "debates" where everybody is on the same side. It's a lot friendlier that way, isn't it?

Freakazoid :   "Like wow man, Bush lied, people died!"

Bongman:       "Like dude, like where's the WMD's dude? Oh wow man, bummer dude. Gnarly." 

You say you have a right to disagree and voice your opinion about anything anybody says in a post - that's your rationale for attacking Christians.

 

No, that's my opinion. And YOU don't have the right to tell me what I can write. YOU are NOT the owner of this site, but you act as a moderator.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

You say you have a right to disagree and voice your opinion about anything anybody says in a post - that's your rationale for attacking Christians.

 

No, that's my opinion. And YOU don't have the right to tell me what I can write. YOU are NOT the owner of this site, but you act as a moderator.

OK, you can give your opinions on what everybody writes but nobody else can give opinions on what you write.

Is that what you're saying?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

OK, you can give your opinions on what everybody writes but nobody else can give opinions on what you write.

Is that what you're saying?

When did I ever say people can't write what they want? All I ever wanted was my right to express my opinion without the Ridge police accusing me of attacking Christians.

I will try to go back and dig up the original thread where I specifically asked another poster within the thread If he/she thought it was intervention or whatever he/she said, not the poster of the thread who was thanking God for her 4 grand or so win. I even congratulated her for her win.  All I did was ask another poster a question, and lo and behold you came out of the woodwork. You started your whole BS about how Christians are being attacked by people like me, when all I did was ask a question.

That's when this whole new version of the policing by you began.

When you disagree with something on a thread, you don't see me flying off the handle. I respect your opinion, and I ask you do the same.

It only gets ugly when you accuse me of things based on your interpretation of an attack. Things get out of control, and before you know it, name calling begins, and the whole thing becomes one big mess.

I thought we had an agreement, but it seems that through the passage of time, the agreement has fallen apart.

Just like every other subject on LP is subject do scrutiny, why should religous belifs have a free pass? If it's a personal thing, then keep it to yourself, but If it's displayed in a public forum, just like every other subject, then it's fair game. I always try to be respectful, but when I'm called names or mentioned as a foreigner who beats women, then I get pissed.

You write what you want, and I'll write what I want, and let Todd decide what's appropriate and what's not.

joker17

@ Ridge, Here's the original thread where all this started. The link shows where I congratulated Elizabeth on her win. Todd cleaned up the thread, so I can't show where I asked the question because he deleted it. But trust me, all I did was ask another poster a question. Whether it was divine intervention or not.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/230218/2020913

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

You can't answer a simple question without writing the same old blah blah blah over and over again.

I think my mission in this thread is done. Everyone who's read this can easily see that both you and Ridge can't answer a simple question, musch less a hundred other contradictions I could easily post.

Both of you wouldn't last 3 seconds in a debate forum concerning all of this. I've been to a few forums on the net. Forget about me, they'd eat you guys for lunch.

Like i said, it's a waste of time talking to a couple simpletons.

I think I'll head over to some of those forums where there are intelligent debates going on.

This debate here isn't even a debate, it's a circus with a couple of clowns.

You guys are no brainers to me. It's not fun when there's no challenge. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

truth is,   i told the board i already answered the question once before,  and showcased where i did,  proving omce again your just a game player.

thanks to my "skills",  you are right,  people can see now what your real motivations are.

you and i have "history".  pretty much everyone knows that.   most people can't pick people over agenda,  and so don't worry,  despite you lying incessantly,  you will still have your fans.

trouble is,  now i made it harder to pick your side,  when i made the notation you purposefully lied about calling perfectiming what you did....then NEVER owned it or apologized.

it's one thing if you lose your mind over me,  everyone expects you to given how good i am at bringing out the "real you",  so no one expects you not to lie when you are dealing with me.

on the integrity qualification scale of life,  when you purposefully called perfectiming that name,  and you had zero history with her,  that told ALL that needs to be told about your total motivations in here.

do it to me =  semi understandable

do it to someone like her (lying about it) =  your done

you want a barometer?  good,  i am good at providing one.

you claim that you are in here for the right reasons, and that's garbage

know how i can tell?   because i come after you when you pull your angst joker routine,  thinking your going to intimidate Christians.

notice how i didn't say a word to jimmy about his "atheist video"?    that's because jimmy has the right to respectfully post an opposing opionion,  something you don't do.

trust me,  i have MORE than enough in the tank to dispel from an historical basis the fallacy of jimmy's post.  could have pulled a joker angst move and bombed LP with pages of defense against jimmy's post.

i didn't

that's the difference,  your just a trolling trouble maker full of angst.

your uncontrolled lying totally unhinged your "position"

anybody that now picks the side of someone who willfully lies with conscience deserves to be on that sphere of life

you can lie to the board all you want "i didn't".

truth is,  it's archived that every time i needed to.....i did

your the only one that totally wussed.

"hard evidence", huh ?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

When did I ever say people can't write what they want? All I ever wanted was my right to express my opinion without the Ridge police accusing me of attacking Christians.

I will try to go back and dig up the original thread where I specifically asked another poster within the thread If he/she thought it was intervention or whatever he/she said, not the poster of the thread who was thanking God for her 4 grand or so win. I even congratulated her for her win.  All I did was ask another poster a question, and lo and behold you came out of the woodwork. You started your whole BS about how Christians are being attacked by people like me, when all I did was ask a question.

That's when this whole new version of the policing by you began.

When you disagree with something on a thread, you don't see me flying off the handle. I respect your opinion, and I ask you do the same.

It only gets ugly when you accuse me of things based on your interpretation of an attack. Things get out of control, and before you know it, name calling begins, and the whole thing becomes one big mess.

I thought we had an agreement, but it seems that through the passage of time, the agreement has fallen apart.

Just like every other subject on LP is subject do scrutiny, why should religous belifs have a free pass? If it's a personal thing, then keep it to yourself, but If it's displayed in a public forum, just like every other subject, then it's fair game. I always try to be respectful, but when I'm called names or mentioned as a foreigner who beats women, then I get pissed.

You write what you want, and I'll write what I want, and let Todd decide what's appropriate and what's not.

"why should religous belifs have a free pass?"

Why should you get a free pass?

It's obvious you just don't understand our culture.

Where you come from it's a police state where everything you say is under scrutiny and you are told what you can and can't say and punished if you say things that are not allowed by the religious police. You are told what God to believe in and can have your head chopped off for praying to another God. You apparently think that's a good system and want to institute it here to make this place more like your home country and thereby more comfortable for you.

 

Listen closely now:

 

We Don't Do That Here!

We Don't Care How You Do It In Iran!

We Don't Do That Here!

We Have Religious Freedom Here!

 

I don't know how to make it any clearer than that. I'm sorry your mind got so twisted that you believe that stuff you were raised with is the way it's supposed to be, but it's not. Our ancestors came here to escape from people like you who insist on telling others what to believe.

And I'll tell you what else freedom says. It says I can critique your words the same as you critique the words of every Christian who mentions God.

How in the world can you think it's your right to criticize people but nobody can criticize you?

I don't think it's just a culture thing either, I honestly think you're coming unhinged.

 

So go ahead with your hate crusade against American Christians but just stop whining when you get a little of your own medicine.

You ain't over there now son. It's a whole new game here. And there's something you'll have to get used to.

We don't take it layin' down.

We fight back. 

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I have heard this said so often here, in one form or another: It's OK to comment, just respect others religion.

So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period. 

Would that be too "strong?"

Just a straight up vote, yes or no.  Don't need derogatory remarks.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

"why should religous belifs have a free pass?"

Why should you get a free pass?

It's obvious you just don't understand our culture.

Where you come from it's a police state where everything you say is under scrutiny and you are told what you can and can't say and punished if you say things that are not allowed by the religious police. You are told what God to believe in and can have your head chopped off for praying to another God. You apparently think that's a good system and want to institute it here to make this place more like your home country and thereby more comfortable for you.

 

Listen closely now:

 

We Don't Do That Here!

We Don't Care How You Do It In Iran!

We Don't Do That Here!

We Have Religious Freedom Here!

 

I don't know how to make it any clearer than that. I'm sorry your mind got so twisted that you believe that stuff you were raised with is the way it's supposed to be, but it's not. Our ancestors came here to escape from people like you who insist on telling others what to believe.

And I'll tell you what else freedom says. It says I can critique your words the same as you critique the words of every Christian who mentions God.

How in the world can you think it's your right to criticize people but nobody can criticize you?

I don't think it's just a culture thing either, I honestly think you're coming unhinged.

 

So go ahead with your hate crusade against American Christians but just stop whining when you get a little of your own medicine.

You ain't over there now son. It's a whole new game here. And there's something you'll have to get used to.

We don't take it layin' down.

We fight back. 

I don't want a free pass. But If you're going to debate, maybe you should use counter points instead of racist comments as your answer.

 

 

You apparently think that's a good system and want to institute it here to make this place more like your home country and thereby more comfortable for you.

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Read the above statement you wrote above. On the opposite end I've repeatedly said I don't agree with any other country's rediculous and demented culture. I've written this a hundred times, yet you continue with this B.S. I don't agree with my country's behaviour at all. What part of this don't you get? I'm a Navy veteran who loves my country. I've assimilated, but men and women in this country gave their lives a long time a go so people like you and me can express their opinions without a police state on their ass all the time.

Stop equating me with those radical losers in Iran. If you really knew me you'd regeret saying those things. I came her when I was 7 years old in 1971. I went satright from the airport to the Macy's day parade on Thanksgiving day in N.Y. I eb=ven have an 8 millimeter movie of this event that's been converted to VHS. My family was already here, so I came here all by myself in a Boeing with the help of a Stewardess.

After the parade we went to Central Park in Manahattan, and I ate my very forst slice of pizza from a roach coach pizza wagon. I burnt my mouth cause we had to wait for a new pie and it was piping hot.

I play Rock guitar and all kinds of styles. I've owned one Chevy and ate many apple pies.

 

I'm an American. NOW, that we've established this ( I'll show you my DD-214 upon request), can we stop the racist remarks because they have absolutely no bearing to the subject at hand.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 21, 2011

I have heard this said so often here, in one form or another: It's OK to comment, just respect others religion.

So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period. 

Would that be too "strong?"

Just a straight up vote, yes or no.  Don't need derogatory remarks.

And that's exactly all I did. Below is the link.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2076541

 

Police state....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

@ Ridge, Here's the original thread where all this started. The link shows where I congratulated Elizabeth on her win. Todd cleaned up the thread, so I can't show where I asked the question because he deleted it. But trust me, all I did was ask another poster a question. Whether it was divine intervention or not.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/230218/2020913

So you said something real nice and it got deleted cuz it was too nice and too respectful?

Gimme a break.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

So you said something real nice and it got deleted cuz it was too nice and too respectful?

Gimme a break.

Ummmm, not just my stuff got deleted. Some of your stuff got deleted because if you remember, Todd said he didn't want us to crap up the forums. So he deleted half of the thread with many comments from all sides.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

I don't want a free pass. But If you're going to debate, maybe you should use counter points instead of racist comments as your answer.

 

 

You apparently think that's a good system and want to institute it here to make this place more like your home country and thereby more comfortable for you.

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Read the above statement you wrote above. On the opposite end I've repeatedly said I don't agree with any other country's rediculous and demented culture. I've written this a hundred times, yet you continue with this B.S. I don't agree with my country's behaviour at all. What part of this don't you get? I'm a Navy veteran who loves my country. I've assimilated, but men and women in this country gave their lives a long time a go so people like you and me can express their opinions without a police state on their ass all the time.

Stop equating me with those radical losers in Iran. If you really knew me you'd regeret saying those things. I came her when I was 7 years old in 1971. I went satright from the airport to the Macy's day parade on Thanksgiving day in N.Y. I eb=ven have an 8 millimeter movie of this event that's been converted to VHS. My family was already here, so I came here all by myself in a Boeing with the help of a Stewardess.

After the parade we went to Central Park in Manahattan, and I ate my very forst slice of pizza from a roach coach pizza wagon. I burnt my mouth cause we had to wait for a new pie and it was piping hot.

I play Rock guitar and all kinds of styles. I've owned one Chevy and ate many apple pies.

 

I'm an American. NOW, that we've established this ( I'll show you my DD-214 upon request), can we stop the racist remarks because they have absolutely no bearing to the subject at hand.

"...maybe you should use counter points instead of racist comments as your answer."

 

Uh, what racist comments?

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

xTo me, a fact is something that can be verified by either a scientific approach that is proven, or by circumstantial eveidence. Not all things can fit so neatly into this because even scientific tests have flaws. But most importantly, I find that a mixture of common sense and factual evidence makes the best tool for reaching a decision, but that's just my opinion.

It's a FACT, that light travels 186,000 per second, and it's IMPOSSIBLE based on that FACT, that the universe can only be a few thousand years old. The reason folks don't want to tackle this is because they have NO answer. Jarasan attempted a while back by mentioning Tachyons that are claimed to travel faster than the speed of light, but unfortunately he didn't do is homework because Tachyons are nothing but hypothetical. Even if they were real, they would present a whole host of other contradictions.

That is why I'm an Agnostic. I don't know for sure whether there is a God or not, and I don't claim I have insider serects to this, no one does, If they do, then they are delusional. So since there is no clear evidence of whether he exists, and even If he did, which of the THOUSANDS of Gods would you choose, so I choose to be spiritual.

But here's what I was talking about earlier when I said fact and common sense play a vital role. Over the years I came to the conclusion that since we are made of energy, and and enery cannot be destroyed, only changes, that there may POSSIBLY be a way for some form of ourselves to continue after this life has ended. And that's where my spirituality comes in. I'm open to the possibilities out there, but I will NEVER EVER subscribe to organized religion. There are literally WAY TOO many variables in life for one religion to be correct and all the other thousands to be wrong, unless that one religion can PROVE to be the right one. Til this day, none of them can prove anything except quotes fom their own texts.

If there is a God out there, and he's a loving God who knows more than we will ever be able to imagine, I'm willing to bet my soul that he has a much better approach with dealing with humans who actually take the time to search for truth, and not blindly accept the most convenient path and pick one of the top five popular religions, claiming they are right and everyone else is wrong.

There's a word for that kind of behavior. It's called DELUSIONAL.

  xTo me, a fact is something that can be verified by either a scientific approach that is proven, or by circumstantial evidence.

 

A fact is what the current authority say it is, whether it's true or not. It's the people who have the creditials to say so. The world was once thought to be flat and if you sailed on the ocean you would fall off.  So whatever you believe about science is just the opinion of others.  It's all they can figure out now.

People died and suffered from many diseases because the current authority (doctors) said there were no such thing as germs when chemists and scientists tried to tell them so.  The current authority ran Louis Pasteur  of his country when he introduced microbes and vaccines. Doctors didn't think it was necessary to wash their hands.  They didn't believe that something as small a germs even existed.  It was laughed at.

Many children died and suffered from Polio because the current authority didn't want to use a method a woman used (she actually healed many of them) because she wasn't the current authority.  Just a nurse.

So facts change.  Current authority changes. I'm sure the doctors who didn't believe there was such a thing as microbes proved their methods and it became the current authority.

Same thing with science.  It changes and is often debunked.  Facts of circustancial evidence depends on how it is used or who is using it.  Someone can be innocence but proven guilty, or guilty and proven innocent. 

The people who make our laws is the current authority.  Do they deal with facts? They are facts for us though aren't they.  Facts are not always true, honest or just or proven.  So a fact is not always something that is proven.  It's just is because the current authority say so.  Even with science and technology.

So the answer to your light years question is that facts change, depend on who is telling it.  Knowledge changes.  Nobody knows anything really.  Just look at text books in the last century or the last 20 years.  Another machine will be built to measure light years differently and it will be an "oops" we didn't calulate that right and then it will be written down as the current authority on the subject. 

When man don't know a mystery they give their opinion and the world has to take the opinion of the current authority because they have the credentials to say so. So scientific facts change as quickly as decades go by. 

The light years data is just opinion which will probably change in the next decade or sooner than that.  Man is not as smart as you think they are.  They really don't know anything.  They are just as dumb as they were thousands of years ago or they would have figured out why some pyramids are still standing.  Otherwise blame it on aliens.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 21, 2011

I have heard this said so often here, in one form or another: It's OK to comment, just respect others religion.

So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period. 

Would that be too "strong?"

Just a straight up vote, yes or no.  Don't need derogatory remarks.

That's perfectly fine with me and if you criticize someone it's perfectly fine with me.

Just don't whine when you get the same treatment.

That's all I'm saying.

And for some reason joker can't understand that.

He wants to criticize everybody but if you criticize him he says that you're telling him what he's allowed to say or not say. Crazy

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

That's perfectly fine with me and if you criticize someone it's perfectly fine with me.

Just don't whine when you get the same treatment.

That's all I'm saying.

And for some reason joker can't understand that.

He wants to criticize everybody but if you criticize him he says that you're telling him what he's allowed to say or not say. Crazy

I'm confused. We had an earlier agreement, but when things started to heat up the agreement unraveled.

We agreed that I can say what I want, and you can say what you want. You forgot already?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

"...maybe you should use counter points instead of racist comments as your answer."

 

Uh, what racist comments?

Equating me with radical Muslim men in Iran who beat their wives. I don't even half a wife.....

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Ummmm, not just my stuff got deleted. Some of your stuff got deleted because if you remember, Todd said he didn't want us to crap up the forums. So he deleted half of the thread with many comments from all sides.

I don't recall any of mine going down.

I think it was just you and mario ganging up on Elizabeth because she said she prayed to win.

And oh, yes I know you congratulated her, you don't have to keep repeating that.

It's when you two started tag-teaming her about her religious beliefs that things got ugly.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

I'm confused. We had an earlier agreement, but when things started to heat up the agreement unraveled.

We agreed that I can say what I want, and you can say what you want. You forgot already?

Who's stopping you?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Equating me with radical Muslim men in Iran who beat their wives. I don't even half a wife.....

"I don't even half a wife....."

 

What do you do, quarter them?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Equating me with radical Muslim men in Iran who beat their wives. I don't even half a wife.....

There's apparently more than our culture that you don't understand.

You don't even understand what racism is.

People have truly suffered under racism in this country.

Please don't diminish the reality and magnitude of their genuine suffering by including yourself in their ranks for some cheap, fraudulent, personal satisfaction.

That's going over the line.

 

Mentioning how men treat women in your country has nothing to do with racism.

And you know it.

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Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on Jun 21, 2011

  xTo me, a fact is something that can be verified by either a scientific approach that is proven, or by circumstantial evidence.

 

A fact is what the current authority say it is, whether it's true or not. It's the people who have the creditials to say so. The world was once thought to be flat and if you sailed on the ocean you would fall off.  So whatever you believe about science is just the opinion of others.  It's all they can figure out now.

People died and suffered from many diseases because the current authority (doctors) said there were no such thing as germs when chemists and scientists tried to tell them so.  The current authority ran Louis Pasteur  of his country when he introduced microbes and vaccines. Doctors didn't think it was necessary to wash their hands.  They didn't believe that something as small a germs even existed.  It was laughed at.

Many children died and suffered from Polio because the current authority didn't want to use a method a woman used (she actually healed many of them) because she wasn't the current authority.  Just a nurse.

So facts change.  Current authority changes. I'm sure the doctors who didn't believe there was such a thing as microbes proved their methods and it became the current authority.

Same thing with science.  It changes and is often debunked.  Facts of circustancial evidence depends on how it is used or who is using it.  Someone can be innocence but proven guilty, or guilty and proven innocent. 

The people who make our laws is the current authority.  Do they deal with facts? They are facts for us though aren't they.  Facts are not always true, honest or just or proven.  So a fact is not always something that is proven.  It's just is because the current authority say so.  Even with science and technology.

So the answer to your light years question is that facts change, depend on who is telling it.  Knowledge changes.  Nobody knows anything really.  Just look at text books in the last century or the last 20 years.  Another machine will be built to measure light years differently and it will be an "oops" we didn't calulate that right and then it will be written down as the current authority on the subject. 

When man don't know a mystery they give their opinion and the world has to take the opinion of the current authority because they have the credentials to say so. So scientific facts change as quickly as decades go by. 

The light years data is just opinion which will probably change in the next decade or sooner than that.  Man is not as smart as you think they are.  They really don't know anything.  They are just as dumb as they were thousands of years ago or they would have figured out why some pyramids are still standing.  Otherwise blame it on aliens.

Now that makes sense!

Thanks, Tenaj.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

There's apparently more than our culture that you don't understand.

You don't even understand what racism is.

People have truly suffered under racism in this country.

Please don't diminish the reality and magnitude of their genuine suffering by including yourself in their ranks for some cheap, fraudulent, personal satisfaction.

That's going over the line.

 

Mentioning how men treat women in your country has nothing to do with racism.

And you know it.

Sorry, i gave you a chance but you blew it.

You need as much help as Visine does. Good luck !

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 21, 2011

Sorry, i gave you a chance but you blew it.

You need as much help as Visine does. Good luck !

Gave me a chance and I blew it?

Oh nooooooooooooooooooooo!Thud

joker17

Ghost Song, The Doors..

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 I've Been Flushed From The Bathroom of Your Heart

                                                                                         ~ Johnny Cash ~

 

From the back door of your life, you swept me out dear
In the bread line of your dreams, I lost my place
At the table of your love, I got the brush off
At the Indianapolis of your heart, I lost the race

I've been washed down the sink of your conscience
In the theater of your love, I lost my part
And now you say, "You've got me out of your conscience"
I've been flushed from the bathroom of your heart

In the garbage disposal of you dreams, Ive been ground up dear
On the river of your plans, I'm up the creek
Up the elevator of your future, I've been shafted
On the calendar of your events, I'm last week

I've been washed down the sink of your conscience
In the theater of your love, I lost my part
And now you say, "You've got me out of your conscience"
I've been flushed from the bathroom of your heart
visiondude's avatarvisiondude

hahahaha and a ha.

lottery post just had an add running at the top of the home page that had "paris" in it....

....so that counts ..... (of course only as a "coincidence") Wink

couldn't be anything but,  because you know,  it's entirely "impossible" that God is personal,  and does these things Winkx2

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 21, 2011

I have heard this said so often here, in one form or another: It's OK to comment, just respect others religion.

So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period. 

Would that be too "strong?"

Just a straight up vote, yes or no.  Don't need derogatory remarks.

respect and equality isn't that hard to spot,  and it's "agenda-less"

make an opposing opinion,  but don't even squeek over the line with underhanded tactics designed at shutting the conversation down,  and some lame post that is obvious it's only intent is start an ethics brawl.

case in point,  stacks latest underhanded swipe about the thread going "way off topic"

it is gone that way,  compared to it's original intent,  but the only reason stack the instigator stuck his head around the corner from the tree he hides behind is to make an attempt to shut it down,  merely because he doesn't like the content.

stack has been involved personally in plenty other threads / conversations that went "off topic",  but the integrity-ain't never said squat diddly then.

suddenly stack crowns himself the thread police.

it's THOSE kinds of scenario's,  where guys like me step it up a notch to protect against the "stack's" of life.

stack wasn't reminding us of brevity,  the poor wannabe thought he would pull another "stack" again

there is complete difference between an "opposing view",  and trolling just to cause trouble.

i sure know the difference (and the key players)

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

i know for sure joker prays.

he is praying right now  ......(for this thread to be over and done with)

after getting highlighted red handed for lying multiple times,  and never handling stuff he sprays the board with,  joker is sweating bullets on his knee's right now, counting the minutes till the thread expires.

after it does,  he will breathe a sigh of relief,  but only long enough to regroup and head for the "next opportunity" where he can take pot shots at Christians and Christianity again.

 

perfectiming won't be the last "target" joker shoots and aims for.

joker has now metamorphasized into a Christian gang banger.

you know,  those guys filled with so much unfounded rage,  who shoot wildly,  hoping to hit their "target",  but accepting collateral damage as part of doing business.

gang bangers don't even bother going to the shooting range to practice their "aim".

they don't care,  their angst is what pulls the trigger anyway,  so if they hit their target,  cool.

  if they hit innocent bystanders, that's cool as well.

when you don't have a conscience,  who cares about having perfect aim.

joker,  LP's little angst driven "gang banger"

trouble is.....there is a "gang enforcement" unit on the scene

"one adam 12,  see the angst driven man shooting wildly into the crowd at the corrner of QP and PP streets"

officer;  badge #777,  ....."roger that,  in pursuit,  with lights and siren blaring. Dupe Alert... will approach suspect,  and wrestle the *gun*  away" 

i have a sworn duty to protect and serve,  when the jokers of the world fire off pot shots

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

That's perfectly fine with me and if you criticize someone it's perfectly fine with me.

Just don't whine when you get the same treatment.

That's all I'm saying.

And for some reason joker can't understand that.

He wants to criticize everybody but if you criticize him he says that you're telling him what he's allowed to say or not say. Crazy

Here is what I asked:  So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period.

From your answer above, I can't determine if that means yes, that is OK or if it means no, that you would respond back with "the same treatment."      I'm not even sure what you mean by the "same treatment" - those are three words - do you mean you would find fault with my post and post a three word response?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

respect and equality isn't that hard to spot,  and it's "agenda-less"

make an opposing opinion,  but don't even squeek over the line with underhanded tactics designed at shutting the conversation down,  and some lame post that is obvious it's only intent is start an ethics brawl.

case in point,  stacks latest underhanded swipe about the thread going "way off topic"

it is gone that way,  compared to it's original intent,  but the only reason stack the instigator stuck his head around the corner from the tree he hides behind is to make an attempt to shut it down,  merely because he doesn't like the content.

stack has been involved personally in plenty other threads / conversations that went "off topic",  but the integrity-ain't never said squat diddly then.

suddenly stack crowns himself the thread police.

it's THOSE kinds of scenario's,  where guys like me step it up a notch to protect against the "stack's" of life.

stack wasn't reminding us of brevity,  the poor wannabe thought he would pull another "stack" again

there is complete difference between an "opposing view",  and trolling just to cause trouble.

i sure know the difference (and the key players)

"Here is what I asked:  So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period."

From your answer above, I can't tell if you approve of this or not?   An agenda can be extremely bias in either direction.  Some people post bible scriptures - that is an pro agenda in the extreme.  I am trying to find the middle ground where you would accept a response as respectful.  The point is that one can disagree and still be respectful - that is what I am trying to determine.

Here it is again with some variations, pick which one you would say is middle ground or not worthy of a "long" discussion:

A) "Complete coincidence...period."

B)"I don't want to force any religious beliefs on anyone, because I am an  agnostic."

C)"So God only answers mock prayers?"

D) "Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his lottery prayer."

 

 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

i know for sure joker prays.

he is praying right now  ......(for this thread to be over and done with)

after getting highlighted red handed for lying multiple times,  and never handling stuff he sprays the board with,  joker is sweating bullets on his knee's right now, counting the minutes till the thread expires.

after it does,  he will breathe a sigh of relief,  but only long enough to regroup and head for the "next opportunity" where he can take pot shots at Christians and Christianity again.

 

perfectiming won't be the last "target" joker shoots and aims for.

joker has now metamorphasized into a Christian gang banger.

you know,  those guys filled with so much unfounded rage,  who shoot wildly,  hoping to hit their "target",  but accepting collateral damage as part of doing business.

gang bangers don't even bother going to the shooting range to practice their "aim".

they don't care,  their angst is what pulls the trigger anyway,  so if they hit their target,  cool.

  if they hit innocent bystanders, that's cool as well.

when you don't have a conscience,  who cares about having perfect aim.

joker,  LP's little angst driven "gang banger"

trouble is.....there is a "gang enforcement" unit on the scene

"one adam 12,  see the angst driven man shooting wildly into the crowd at the corrner of QP and PP streets"

officer;  badge #777,  ....."roger that,  in pursuit,  with lights and siren blaring. Dupe Alert... will approach suspect,  and wrestle the *gun*  away" 

i have a sworn duty to protect and serve,  when the jokers of the world fire off pot shots

You need serious help Vision. 

Get a clue, or buy one if you have to. Do some reading other than the Bible, and you may just wake up from your trance one day.

Good luck...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 21, 2011

That's perfectly fine with me and if you criticize someone it's perfectly fine with me.

Just don't whine when you get the same treatment.

That's all I'm saying.

And for some reason joker can't understand that.

He wants to criticize everybody but if you criticize him he says that you're telling him what he's allowed to say or not say. Crazy

That's not true at all. You were the one early on telling me NOT to make comments when someone on the forums mentions God. Don't you remember the countless times you kept saying something like......"Just let it be"......or something similar? If you want, to, you know I can go back and show you.

I don't care If someone disagrees with me, what I don't like is when someone other than the owner or moderator of this site dictates what I can't write...well too bad, it ain't gonna happen, so you better get used to it.

In this thread, all I wrote in the beginning was "100% coincidence"....so you're telling me I can't write this because it shows hate for believers?....ARE YOU FREAKING OUT OF YOUR MIND.....Here's the link below.

The link below shows RIDGE saying, without quoting anyone, that "he can't believe the hate from non-believers have for Christians, and the funny thing is that they're all gutless cowards"...Well, guess what PAL, we have a right to comment, and YOU'RE not the FREAKING POLICE.....GET OVER IT AND GO HAVE ANOTHER DRINK.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077025

 

It wasn't enough that Ridge coundn't believe the SUPPOSED hate from non believers, but he also knows that they are GUTLESS COWARDS.

So you want to bring on the B.S. about name calling, maybe YOU SHOULD START WITH YOURSELF........!!!!!!!!

 

Again, you write what you write, and I'll write what I want to write....GET IT?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

"Here is what I asked:  So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period."

From your answer above, I can't tell if you approve of this or not?   An agenda can be extremely bias in either direction.  Some people post bible scriptures - that is an pro agenda in the extreme.  I am trying to find the middle ground where you would accept a response as respectful.  The point is that one can disagree and still be respectful - that is what I am trying to determine.

Here it is again with some variations, pick which one you would say is middle ground or not worthy of a "long" discussion:

A) "Complete coincidence...period."

B)"I don't want to force any religious beliefs on anyone, because I am an  agnostic."

C)"So God only answers mock prayers?"

D) "Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his lottery prayer."

 

 

Your asking Ridge what the middle ground is and what respect is?

He needs to start with himself before pointing fingers.

If I had the time and energy, I'd sift thru the countless pages and look for his disrespectful remarks in other threads.

What a joke, asking him.

It's like asking a rapist what he thinks about respect for women.

joker17

Hey Vision, it's your lucky day.

I was just watching Masterchef on HULU, and one guy who won the previous challenge got to choose which of the three themes the rest of the challengers had to cook for the next challenge.

The three themes were from Spain, France, and England. The guy chose France.

That's it, I'm converting today and moving to France...lol

 

Skip to 21:05 in the video to see what he chose:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/251383/masterchef-elimination-18-cut-to-16

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

Here is what I asked:  So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period.

From your answer above, I can't determine if that means yes, that is OK or if it means no, that you would respond back with "the same treatment."      I'm not even sure what you mean by the "same treatment" - those are three words - do you mean you would find fault with my post and post a three word response?

Same treatment means I can criticize you guys the same way you criticize anybody who mentions God.

Joker doesn't think I should be able to do that.

He says that if I criticize him for what he says, I'm telling him what he can or can't say.

He wants free reign to criticize anybody he wants but he doesn't want anybody criticizing him. 

 

If that is still unclear to you, I don't know how else to put it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Same treatment means I can criticize you guys the same way you criticize anybody who mentions God.

Joker doesn't think I should be able to do that.

He says that if I criticize him for what he says, I'm telling him what he can or can't say.

He wants free reign to criticize anybody he wants but he doesn't want anybody criticizing him. 

 

If that is still unclear to you, I don't know how else to put it.

You can criticize me, just don't tell me what the content of my posts should consist of. Criticize specific details that you don't agree with. Accusing me of a being wife beater because I just happen to be from Iran is not criticism . Not only that, it has nothing to do with the subject, just a cheap shot.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

"Here is what I asked:  So what is respectful?  Where is the middle ground?

Say this is my post to this million dollar winner:   Complete coincidence...period."

From your answer above, I can't tell if you approve of this or not?   An agenda can be extremely bias in either direction.  Some people post bible scriptures - that is an pro agenda in the extreme.  I am trying to find the middle ground where you would accept a response as respectful.  The point is that one can disagree and still be respectful - that is what I am trying to determine.

Here it is again with some variations, pick which one you would say is middle ground or not worthy of a "long" discussion:

A) "Complete coincidence...period."

B)"I don't want to force any religious beliefs on anyone, because I am an  agnostic."

C)"So God only answers mock prayers?"

D) "Wow, this guy is VERY arrogant to think "God" answered his lottery prayer."

 

 

"The point is that one can disagree and still be respectful - that is what I am trying to determine."

Someone will always say you're being disrespectful when you disagree with their opinion because they believe their opinion is the only one that counts. This topic is an example of how opinions of "coincidence" can be disrespected by those believing "a mock prayer was answered by Divine intervention" and vice versa. Even a middle ground opinion like since the lottery ticket was purchased at a church ran function, there is a probability that others prayed their ticket would win for various reasons would create disagreements on how the prayer answering process works.

My opinion on this topic is I'm little bit skeptical on the timing of the mock prayer and the change from atheist to believer because people will say anything when $1 million is involve

VD said: "case in point,  stacks latest underhanded swipe about the thread going "way off topic"

it is gone that way,  compared to it's original intent,  but the only reason stack the instigator stuck his head around the corner from the tree he hides

behind is to make an attempt to shut it down,  merely because he doesn't like the content."

VD certainly proved it's impossible for him to be respectful even after agreeing with my opinion this thread has gone way off topic by saying my "only reason" is something he made up. I don't read VD's posts, but it's ironic that in the post you quoted, VD helped you make your determination.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Same treatment means I can criticize you guys the same way you criticize anybody who mentions God.

Joker doesn't think I should be able to do that.

He says that if I criticize him for what he says, I'm telling him what he can or can't say.

He wants free reign to criticize anybody he wants but he doesn't want anybody criticizing him. 

 

If that is still unclear to you, I don't know how else to put it.

Let me rephrase it.

IF I posted "Complete coincidence...period."

Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

That's not true at all. You were the one early on telling me NOT to make comments when someone on the forums mentions God. Don't you remember the countless times you kept saying something like......"Just let it be"......or something similar? If you want, to, you know I can go back and show you.

I don't care If someone disagrees with me, what I don't like is when someone other than the owner or moderator of this site dictates what I can't write...well too bad, it ain't gonna happen, so you better get used to it.

In this thread, all I wrote in the beginning was "100% coincidence"....so you're telling me I can't write this because it shows hate for believers?....ARE YOU FREAKING OUT OF YOUR MIND.....Here's the link below.

The link below shows RIDGE saying, without quoting anyone, that "he can't believe the hate from non-believers have for Christians, and the funny thing is that they're all gutless cowards"...Well, guess what PAL, we have a right to comment, and YOU'RE not the FREAKING POLICE.....GET OVER IT AND GO HAVE ANOTHER DRINK.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2077025

 

It wasn't enough that Ridge coundn't believe the SUPPOSED hate from non believers, but he also knows that they are GUTLESS COWARDS.

So you want to bring on the B.S. about name calling, maybe YOU SHOULD START WITH YOURSELF........!!!!!!!!

 

Again, you write what you write, and I'll write what I want to write....GET IT?

There's an all-out assault on Christianity going on in this country and it is fully backed by the liberal establishment and spread primarily by little runts and pukes like you. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't say something (Luke 19: 40).

Yeah, I called you all gutless cowards. Why? Because I know not one of you would dare say a word of this garbage to my face.

Which would be a wise choice for you. Cowardly, but wise.

Somebody please shoot me when I start taking orders from some little runt cab driver, please.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

Let me rephrase it.

IF I posted "Complete coincidence...period."

Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?

Absolutely.

It's when the hate-filled religious lecturing or ridicule starts because somebody mentions prayer that I respond with my opinion.

Then he goes berserk screaming that I'm telling him what he can or cannot say.  Crazy 

He wants to be the final unimpeachable, unquestioned authority on everything.

Uh... Ain't happenin'.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

There's an all-out assault on Christianity going on in this country and it is fully backed by the liberal establishment and spread primarily by little runts and pukes like you. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't say something (Luke 19: 40).

Yeah, I called you all gutless cowards. Why? Because I know not one of you would dare say a word of this garbage to my face.

Which would be a wise choice for you. Cowardly, but wise.

Somebody please shoot me when I start taking orders from some little runt cab driver, please.

I'd gladly say this to your face punk, any freaking time asswipe. You think I'm afraid of an loser like you. In fact, it would make my freaking day.

I'm not scared of any man because they bleed just like I do. Trust me little fellow, I grew up in N.Y. and faced gang members with one in the back of the line with a pistol in his hand.  You really believe I'm afarid of dumbass backward hillybilly?

Give me a freking break.

 

I hope more and more folks read this thread to see the real Ridge.

Instead of criticizing me of what I write SPECIFICALLY, he continues to attack me with cheap shots about my origin with and some cab driver insults to boot.

He can't even get his facts straight. I'm not a liberal, conservative, or any of that crap. And it's not an attck on Christianity, it's an attack on a-holes like you who want to suppress what people with other beliefs systems can write in a public forum.'

Guess what, I'll be gald to put you out of your misery. One less moron in the world is fine with me.

YOU'RE A RACIST  HYPOCRITE......!!

Imagine that, a Racist accusing me of attacking Christianity.

The pot calling the kettle black. Ridge you are a joke to me.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Absolutely.

It's when the hate-filled religious lecturing or ridicule starts because somebody mentions prayer that I respond with my opinion.

Then he goes berserk screaming that I'm telling him what he can or cannot say.  Crazy 

He wants to be the final unimpeachable, unquestioned authority on everything.

Uh... Ain't happenin'.

You have just as much hate filled in your posts as you claim I have. Stop being such a Racist hypocrite.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

I'd gladly say this to your face punk, any freaking time asswipe. You think I'm afraid of an loser like you. In fact, it would make my freaking day.

I'm not scared of any man because they bleed just like I do. Trust me little fellow, I grew up in N.Y. and faced gang members with one in the back of the line with a pistol in his hand.  You really believe I'm afarid of dumbass backward hillybilly?

Give me a freking break.

 

I hope more and more folks read this thread to see the real Ridge.

Instead of criticizing me of what I write SPECIFICALLY, he continues to attack me with cheap shots about my origin with and some cab driver insults to boot.

He can't even get his facts straight. I'm not a liberal, conservative, or any of that crap. And it's not an attck on Christianity, it's an attack on a-holes like you who want to suppress what people with other beliefs systems can write in a public forum.'

Guess what, I'll be gald to put you out of your misery. One less moron in the world is fine with me.

YOU'RE A RACIST  HYPOCRITE......!!

Imagine that, a Racist accusing me of attacking Christianity.

The pot calling the kettle black. Ridge you are a joke to me.

You ain't got the cojones, boy.

You're all talk.

And you know it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

You ain't got the cojones, boy.

You're all talk.

And you know it.

Tough internet punks. You gotta love it. They're tough because they have hudreds of miles separating them. What a douche.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Tough internet punks. You gotta love it. They're tough because they have hudreds of miles separating them. What a douche.

Don't you wish you had a woman around to take your hostilities out on right about now?

Sorry, you can't do that here.

Get used to it.

You live by our rules now, joker.

Don't like it? Go back to your cave, sonny boy.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Don't you wish you had a woman around to take your hostilities out on right about now?

Sorry, you can't do that here.

Get used to it.

You live by our rules now, joker.

Don't like it? Go back to your cave, sonny boy.

And you call yourself a Christian? What a joke. Where's the part about tolerence, turning the other cheek and so on. You lack everything a true Christian prides themselves with.

You are a Christian wannabe.

I don't live by your rules. If anyone is breaking any rules around here is you. You started the name calling and racist remarks. If I were the owner of this site, you'd be gone a long time ago.

The only reason I started calling you hillbilly is because I stooped down to your level, which was my bad. I should've just continued with what I was writing and let everyone see your true colors.

A Christian wannabe who doesn't even abide by his Bible's teachings.

You give Christianity a BAD name.

Just like Ghandi said....."I would probably be a Christian If it weren't for Christians". How it so ironically fits this thread.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

And you call yourself a Christian? What a joke. Where's the part about tolerence, turning the other cheek and so on. You lack everything a true Christian prides themselves with.

You are a Christian wannabe.

I don't live by your rules. If anyone is breaking any rules around here is you. You started the name calling and racist remarks. If I were the owner of this site, you'd be gone a long time ago.

The only reason I started calling you hillbilly is because I stooped down to your level, which was my bad. I should've just continued with what I was writing and let everyone see your true colors.

A Christian wannabe who doesn't even abide by his Bible's teachings.

You give Christianity a BAD name.

Just like Ghandi said....."I would probably be a Christian If it weren't for Christians". How it so ironically fits this thread.

I am chief among sinners, joker.

You know how we are to turn the other cheek and that is why you attack us because you don't want anybody who fights back. But I fight back, too bad for you.

That's why you aren't constantly ridiculing and attacking muslims because they will chop your head off for simply disagreeing with them. Yes, your people.

All part and parcel of why you are a gutless coward.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

There's an all-out assault on Christianity going on in this country and it is fully backed by the liberal establishment and spread primarily by little runts and pukes like you. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't say something (Luke 19: 40).

Yeah, I called you all gutless cowards. Why? Because I know not one of you would dare say a word of this garbage to my face.

Which would be a wise choice for you. Cowardly, but wise.

Somebody please shoot me when I start taking orders from some little runt cab driver, please.

 I couldn't live with myself if I didn't say something (Luke 19: 40).

 

So you are telling me what I can write. See, I knew you couldn't back up what you wrote earlier.

Deep down I knew I was right about you.

Flip flopping with what is required by the almighty Ridge.

Make up your mind. You're making a fool out of yourself.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

 I couldn't live with myself if I didn't say something (Luke 19: 40).

 

So you are telling me what I can write. See, I knew you couldn't back up what you wrote earlier.

Deep down I knew I was right about you.

Flip flopping with what is required by the almighty Ridge.

Make up your mind. You're making a fool out of yourself.

"So you are telling me what I can write."

 

Case in point: You still don't get it, do you?

Unbelievable.

 

I have to go out, so talk to yourself, drink another box of wine, whatever.

Toodles!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

I am chief among sinners, joker.

You know how we are to turn the other cheek and that is why you attack us because you don't want anybody who fights back. But I fight back, too bad for you.

That's why you aren't constantly ridiculing and attacking muslims because they will chop your head off for simply disagreeing with them. Yes, your people.

All part and parcel of why you are a gutless coward.

Good, now you can go to church on Sunday and tell the guy in the booth what an idiot you were on Wednesday. Then once he clears you, you can come back on Monday and start your crap all over again because you know that on Sunday you can go and clean it all up.

What a deal !

Now you know why I laugh at the rediculous rules certain Christian factions have.  It's so convenient for you. Just sin like there's no tomorrow, but not to worry, Sunday is just around the corner.

Silly Christians and their multitude of different rules matching individual agendas.

I'll tell you what, when all the different versions of Christianity band together and agree on the same rules, then I may take you seriously. Until then, it's a failed attempt to convince me how great it is. Especially If you claim to be a representative. That makes it even more unbelievable.

Hit With Stick

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"So you are telling me what I can write."

 

Case in point: You still don't get it, do you?

Unbelievable.

 

I have to go out, so talk to yourself, drink another box of wine, whatever.

Toodles!

Oh I get it alright. As long as I write things that isn't approved by you about what I believe about God, I don't have to worry about remarks from you about me being a wife beater cab driver from Iran who's a little runt, a liberal, and lives in a cave.

I got it.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

Let me rephrase it.

IF I posted "Complete coincidence...period."

Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?

it is,  and in the vein of not flooding the thread with any more posts than is necessary,  all four of your previous "suggestions" feel under the category of "respectful".

us believers don't expect anything beyond the respect factor. 

no one is asking you to tip toe around our beliefs, just don't attack them just because you don't like them

i obviously could care less how ardent a 180 degree "belief" is from mine,  because i am not all over LP in every thread / forum spraying my displeasure.

therein lies the parameter, respect

a perfect example would be joker's "20,000 children a day offering"

it wasn't so much the hard question / challenge to our faith, as it was his timing and intent,  and his only intent was a disrespectful sarcastic jerk angst driven swipe.

calling an innocent party "dumbass" solidified his intent.

you want to offer counterpoints based on a disbelief in our way of thinking, perfectly acceptable

you resort to belittling, name calling,  mocking statements like "that's just a moronic fairy tale",  etc, then expect to take one on the chin from us while doing so. 

making comments that have the "purposeful jerk factor" are sure to garner special treatment

the one punk move that brings out visiondude 2.0,  is when someone pulls some underhanded manuever to attempt to kill the convo about God,  just because they don't like it.   i reach for another gear when i smell that

can't count how many times integrity giants like the likes of stack complain about content (yet they read every bit of the thread),  or the "it's way off topic now" garbage,  when they go off topic in other threads.

that has been the main reason for my residentcy at LP,  to protect the right to talk about God.   if you search my archived history,  if it were to go back that far,  from my first appearance i made sure the integrity of Christ was highlighted, and protected......at least the basic right to discuss it openly

respect is pretty obvious and observable,  and so is an attack,  veiled or otherwise

to even have to HAVE a discussion about what's acceptable respect-wise says lot about you guys intent,  and it's sliding scale of truth.   respect is a universal commodity,  and you don't have to have brain surgeon intellect to recognize or aknowledge it.

you guys know full well what you do,  and it's been demonstrated you could care less,  you will still keep doing it,  but now you have to PM each other to figure out new veiled ways to do it.

joker.   that guy will continue to throw angst driven fastballs right over the plate.

i know people.  it's what i do

truecritic's avatartruecritic

visiondude and rdgrnr - Thank you.  I had asked this as the final question: "Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?"

You have both responded favorably to my question that posting "Complete coincidence...period" would not be a problem.

visiondude's actual response (slightly shortened):  "it is,..."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106674

rdgrnr's actual response: "Absolutely."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106503

I would say that the arguments start small and just keep getting worse and worse.  Hopefully you see this and agree.

Now, I'd like to direct you to May 29, 2011 and in particular to page 2 of this thread.  This page contains the very first post by joker and comments by visiondude and rdgrnr.

Here is the link, https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2  - so you can read the actual page and verify I didn't change anything.

Here are the posts, shown in order of the times posted.

First Joker posts this:

joker

 

Then visiondude's comment

visiondude

...and further down the page, rdgrnr's comment

rdgrnr

It appears you both responded to his post, which is phrased almost exactly like what I asked about above (Complete coincidence...period) (Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?).  ...and then it escalates into 40 pages.  Part of the escalation is due to past history between joker, visiondude and rdgrnr.  I can include myself and maybe a few others in there as well, however I never posted a response directly to the lottery winner in this thread.

To be honest, joker posted something respectful and you both jumped in.  In all fairness I think rdgrnr may have been including other posters as well, in his comment (not sure what was running through his head at the time). 

Would you guys agree that you should have left joker's post without a comment?  I would hope so, based on your answers to my questions.

Lottery Post is on the net - the net is worldwide.  Even in the U.S. there are religions of probably every faith in the world and there has been a lot of disrespect shown against many of them in this thread (and others).  That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post.   Religion/Atheist discussions will never be solved here.  I don't know the proper thing at this point, maybe, "can't we all get along?"  or "shake hands and let's move on."

...that brought a tear to my eye!  cry

(Skewer me if you must...)

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

it is,  and in the vein of not flooding the thread with any more posts than is necessary,  all four of your previous "suggestions" feel under the category of "respectful".

us believers don't expect anything beyond the respect factor. 

no one is asking you to tip toe around our beliefs, just don't attack them just because you don't like them

i obviously could care less how ardent a 180 degree "belief" is from mine,  because i am not all over LP in every thread / forum spraying my displeasure.

therein lies the parameter, respect

a perfect example would be joker's "20,000 children a day offering"

it wasn't so much the hard question / challenge to our faith, as it was his timing and intent,  and his only intent was a disrespectful sarcastic jerk angst driven swipe.

calling an innocent party "dumbass" solidified his intent.

you want to offer counterpoints based on a disbelief in our way of thinking, perfectly acceptable

you resort to belittling, name calling,  mocking statements like "that's just a moronic fairy tale",  etc, then expect to take one on the chin from us while doing so. 

making comments that have the "purposeful jerk factor" are sure to garner special treatment

the one punk move that brings out visiondude 2.0,  is when someone pulls some underhanded manuever to attempt to kill the convo about God,  just because they don't like it.   i reach for another gear when i smell that

can't count how many times integrity giants like the likes of stack complain about content (yet they read every bit of the thread),  or the "it's way off topic now" garbage,  when they go off topic in other threads.

that has been the main reason for my residentcy at LP,  to protect the right to talk about God.   if you search my archived history,  if it were to go back that far,  from my first appearance i made sure the integrity of Christ was highlighted, and protected......at least the basic right to discuss it openly

respect is pretty obvious and observable,  and so is an attack,  veiled or otherwise

to even have to HAVE a discussion about what's acceptable respect-wise says lot about you guys intent,  and it's sliding scale of truth.   respect is a universal commodity,  and you don't have to have brain surgeon intellect to recognize or aknowledge it.

you guys know full well what you do,  and it's been demonstrated you could care less,  you will still keep doing it,  but now you have to PM each other to figure out new veiled ways to do it.

joker.   that guy will continue to throw angst driven fastballs right over the plate.

i know people.  it's what i do

calling an innocent party "dumbass" solidified his intent.

 

More babysitting. I'm really getting tired of having to do all the work around here, going back and straightening things out.

Perfecttiming basically called me an IGNORAMUS. But you guys have NO PROBLEM with that of course.

In this light, I don't feel bad calling someone a dumbass.Look at the post below in the link.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2092563

 

Doesn't sound so innocent to me.Puke

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

visiondude and rdgrnr - Thank you.  I had asked this as the final question: "Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?"

You have both responded favorably to my question that posting "Complete coincidence...period" would not be a problem.

visiondude's actual response (slightly shortened):  "it is,..."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106674

rdgrnr's actual response: "Absolutely."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106503

I would say that the arguments start small and just keep getting worse and worse.  Hopefully you see this and agree.

Now, I'd like to direct you to May 29, 2011 and in particular to page 2 of this thread.  This page contains the very first post by joker and comments by visiondude and rdgrnr.

Here is the link, https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2  - so you can read the actual page and verify I didn't change anything.

Here are the posts, shown in order of the times posted.

First Joker posts this:

joker

 

Then visiondude's comment

visiondude

...and further down the page, rdgrnr's comment

rdgrnr

It appears you both responded to his post, which is phrased almost exactly like what I asked about above (Complete coincidence...period) (Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?).  ...and then it escalates into 40 pages.  Part of the escalation is due to past history between joker, visiondude and rdgrnr.  I can include myself and maybe a few others in there as well, however I never posted a response directly to the lottery winner in this thread.

To be honest, joker posted something respectful and you both jumped in.  In all fairness I think rdgrnr may have been including other posters as well, in his comment (not sure what was running through his head at the time). 

Would you guys agree that you should have left joker's post without a comment?  I would hope so, based on your answers to my questions.

Lottery Post is on the net - the net is worldwide.  Even in the U.S. there are religions of probably every faith in the world and there has been a lot of disrespect shown against many of them in this thread (and others).  That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post.   Religion/Atheist discussions will never be solved here.  I don't know the proper thing at this point, maybe, "can't we all get along?"  or "shake hands and let's move on."

...that brought a tear to my eye!  cry

(Skewer me if you must...)

Ridge doesn't care about facts. His mission is to attack me with irrelevant subjects. I'm an Iranian caveman cab driver who likes to beat women. That's his defense. If that's not a looney tune mind, then I don't know what else it could be.

The very notion that he believes without any FACTS,  some scribblings in some book by ignorant old men who didn't have a clue about their world reveals a lot about Ridge. He doesn't care about facts.

I bet he still believes in Santa and the tooth fairy.

Hey Ridge, I got a bridge to sell you. Only 50 bucks.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

visiondude and rdgrnr - Thank you.  I had asked this as the final question: "Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?"

You have both responded favorably to my question that posting "Complete coincidence...period" would not be a problem.

visiondude's actual response (slightly shortened):  "it is,..."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106674

rdgrnr's actual response: "Absolutely."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106503

I would say that the arguments start small and just keep getting worse and worse.  Hopefully you see this and agree.

Now, I'd like to direct you to May 29, 2011 and in particular to page 2 of this thread.  This page contains the very first post by joker and comments by visiondude and rdgrnr.

Here is the link, https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2  - so you can read the actual page and verify I didn't change anything.

Here are the posts, shown in order of the times posted.

First Joker posts this:

joker

 

Then visiondude's comment

visiondude

...and further down the page, rdgrnr's comment

rdgrnr

It appears you both responded to his post, which is phrased almost exactly like what I asked about above (Complete coincidence...period) (Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?).  ...and then it escalates into 40 pages.  Part of the escalation is due to past history between joker, visiondude and rdgrnr.  I can include myself and maybe a few others in there as well, however I never posted a response directly to the lottery winner in this thread.

To be honest, joker posted something respectful and you both jumped in.  In all fairness I think rdgrnr may have been including other posters as well, in his comment (not sure what was running through his head at the time). 

Would you guys agree that you should have left joker's post without a comment?  I would hope so, based on your answers to my questions.

Lottery Post is on the net - the net is worldwide.  Even in the U.S. there are religions of probably every faith in the world and there has been a lot of disrespect shown against many of them in this thread (and others).  That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post.   Religion/Atheist discussions will never be solved here.  I don't know the proper thing at this point, maybe, "can't we all get along?"  or "shake hands and let's move on."

...that brought a tear to my eye!  cry

(Skewer me if you must...)

I had a feeling you had an ulterior motive but gave you the benefit of the doubt anyway.

And I was right.

You already know I wasn't responding to joker so there's no need for the big charade.

Anybody who didn't see what was building up  prior to my post is blind. I tried to nip it in the bud before their frenzy of hate for Christians got into full swing.

I stand by my words and I don't see any malevolence in Vision's words; he calmly, rationally and reasonably voiced his opinion on joker's comment.

So what's the problem?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

calling an innocent party "dumbass" solidified his intent.

 

More babysitting. I'm really getting tired of having to do all the work around here, going back and straightening things out.

Perfecttiming basically called me an IGNORAMUS. But you guys have NO PROBLEM with that of course.

In this light, I don't feel bad calling someone a dumbass.Look at the post below in the link.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2092563

 

Doesn't sound so innocent to me.Puke

Wait a minute!

You said you were calling someone else a dumbass, not Perfecttiming!

Are you admitting now that you were LYING?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Cat got your tongue?

Hmmm?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Wait a minute!

You said you were calling someone else a dumbass, not Perfecttiming!

Are you admitting now that you were LYING?

No, you are mixed up.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Can't wait to see him lie his way out of this one now.

Oughta be good.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Cat got your tongue?

Hmmm?

You really believe I sit at this thread all day long waiting to see a new response?

I have a life. I go to other sites, like check my email, or browse the other forums on this site.

Maybe I have to go take pee.  Hit With Stick

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Can't wait to see him lie his way out of this one now.

Oughta be good.

Lie about what?

When you accused me of calling someone a dumbass, I thought you were referring to the lady who thanked God for her 4 grand win or whatever amount it was in another thread. Then I realized you were talking about perfecttiming. I'm not always sober when you write to me.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

No, you are mixed up.

LOL I'm mixed up!

Good one, you've outdone yourself! LOL

Unbelievable.

Another great lie by joker!Green laugh

You buried yourself with that one, dude, seriously.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Lie about what?

When you accused me of calling someone a dumbass, I thought you were referring to the lady who thanked God for her 4 grand win or whatever amount it was in another thread. Then I realized you were talking about perfecttiming. I'm not always sober when you write to me.

The lies just keep on coming!

Do you take strategy lessons from Anthony Weiner or what?

You really got a tangled mess of lies going now!

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

I had a feeling you had an ulterior motive but gave you the benefit of the doubt anyway.

And I was right.

You already know I wasn't responding to joker so there's no need for the big charade.

Anybody who didn't see what was building up  prior to my post is blind. I tried to nip it in the bud before their frenzy of hate for Christians got into full swing.

I stand by my words and I don't see any malevolence in Vision's words; he calmly, rationally and reasonably voiced his opinion on joker's comment.

So what's the problem?

"I had a feeling you had an ulterior motive but gave you the benefit of the doubt anyway."

Thank you.  Not sure what the ulterior motive was, other than hopefully bring some reason to this thread.  I agree that the remarks should be respectful (of course that goes for both sides).  I am looking for some common ground.  Does it really matter who brings peace to this?  What do you think I have to gain when I propose any of my ideas? 

"Anybody who didn't see what was building up  prior to my post is blind. I tried to nip it in the bud before their frenzy of hate for Christians got into full swing."

You mean your comment on page 2?   This comment by you was intended to defuse the situation???  I find that hard to believe - not even a little bit.  BTW, I can't see where that wasn't directed at joker.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt by saying you were including others because you said "cowards" plural.  If this wasn't the internet, I do believe you would have been shot considering the atmosphere of the thread at the time.

"I've never seen more hate than the hate non-believers have for Christians.

Funny thing is, they're always gutless cowards.

Every last one of em."

 

 

"So what's the problem?"

The problem is the religious people don't like to hear even the slightest thing against their religion - atheists probably don't like to hear derogatory remarks either.  So, it escalates.

If it comes down to worldwide numbers, there are more that believe in Evolution.  Evolutionists believe the Bible is nothing more than a book - but that gets you upset, so you fire back immediately. So, it escalates.

 

darwin

"This chart depicts the public acceptance of evolution theory in 34 countries in 2005. Adults were asked to respond to the statement: "Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals." The percentage of respondents who believed this to be true is marked in blue; those who believed it to be false, in red; and those who were not sure, in yellow.

A study of several such surveys taken since 1985 has found that the United States ranks next to last in acceptance of evolution theory among nations polled. Researchers point out that the number of Americans who are uncertain about the theory's validity has increased over the past 20 years."

Photo: Evolution Less Accepted in U.S. Than Other Western Countries, Study Finds:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

LOL I'm mixed up!

Good one, you've outdone yourself! LOL

Unbelievable.

Another great lie by joker!Green laugh

You buried yourself with that one, dude, seriously.

Regardless of whether you think I lied about it, I still stand behind what I wrote. She/he called me an ignoramus, and I called her/him a dumbass. So what's your point?

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Regardless of whether you think I lied about it, I still stand behind what I wrote. She/he called me an ignoramus, and I called her/him a dumbass. So what's your point?

No, what she said is agnostics call themselves ignoramuses by the very definition of the term (ignorant). 

Then you mocked her for posting Scripture and called her a dumbass.

What I stand behind (my point) is that you lied about it.

And you know you did.

Now go ahead and add another lie to the pack you have going.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

No, what she said is agnostics call themselves ignoramuses by the very definition of the term (ignorant). 

Then you mocked her for posting Scripture and called her a dumbass.

What I stand behind (my point) is that you lied about it.

And you know you did.

Now go ahead and add another lie to the pack you have going.

That makes perfecttiming even more of a dumbass for making things up about the word AGNOSTIC.

Below is her definition:

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

 

Below is from  Merriam Webster:

Definition of AGNOSTIC

1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2
: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
ag·nos·ti·cism \-t?-?si-z?m\noun


Examples of AGNOSTIC

  1. Even polytheists … were in fact tolerated, as Islamic rule spread to most of India. Only the total unbeliever—the agnostic or atheist—was beyond the pale of tolerance … —Bernard Lewis, Islam in History, 1993
  2. Supporters of education vouchers … will love what Norman Macrae has to say on the subject. Teachers' unions and other opponents of vouchers … will deplore it. Voucher agnostics (and I include myself) might find that the proposal not only answers most doubts but also makes sense on issues they've never much thought about. —William Raspberry, Springfield (Massachusetts) Union, 14 Aug. 1987
  3. I call myself an agnostic. I do not really have any faith, any coherent religious faith, and yet the one thing in my life that I feel passionate and evangelical about is poetry. —Maxine Kumin, An Interview at Interlochen, 1977, in To Make a Prairie, 1979
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Origin of AGNOSTIC

Greek agnostos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnostos known, from gignoskein to know  — more at know
First Known Use: 1869
 
 
Even Jimmy pointed out her error.
Nice try, try it on someone else.
rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

You really believe I sit at this thread all day long waiting to see a new response?

I have a life. I go to other sites, like check my email, or browse the other forums on this site.

Maybe I have to go take pee.  Hit With Stick

"Maybe I have to go take pee." 

 

Whose do you take and do they know about it?

I think that may be illegal.

Definitely sick though.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

That makes perfecttiming even more of a dumbass for making things up about the word AGNOSTIC.

Below is her definition:

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

 

Below is from  Merriam Webster:

Definition of AGNOSTIC

1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2
: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
ag·nos·ti·cism \-t?-?si-z?m\noun


Examples of AGNOSTIC

  1. Even polytheists … were in fact tolerated, as Islamic rule spread to most of India. Only the total unbeliever—the agnostic or atheist—was beyond the pale of tolerance … —Bernard Lewis, Islam in History, 1993
  2. Supporters of education vouchers … will love what Norman Macrae has to say on the subject. Teachers' unions and other opponents of vouchers … will deplore it. Voucher agnostics (and I include myself) might find that the proposal not only answers most doubts but also makes sense on issues they've never much thought about. —William Raspberry, Springfield (Massachusetts) Union, 14 Aug. 1987
  3. I call myself an agnostic. I do not really have any faith, any coherent religious faith, and yet the one thing in my life that I feel passionate and evangelical about is poetry. —Maxine Kumin, An Interview at Interlochen, 1977, in To Make a Prairie, 1979
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Origin of AGNOSTIC

Greek agnostos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnostos known, from gignoskein to know  — more at know
First Known Use: 1869
 
 
Even Jimmy pointed out her error.
Nice try, try it on someone else.

Unknowable is subjective. If you don't know something, you're ignorant of it.

And because something is unknowable to you doesn't mean it's unknowable to me.

And your edited texts don't carry any weight anyway.

Soooooooooo...

Are you finally admitting that you lied?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

That makes perfecttiming even more of a dumbass for making things up about the word AGNOSTIC.

Below is her definition:

IGNORAMUS

So basically, anyone who boast about being an "agnostic" is calling themselves an ignorant, know-nothing, uneducated person.....OUCH!....(I can see why some atheist want to downplay the usage of the word altogether).

 

Below is from  Merriam Webster:

Definition of AGNOSTIC

1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2
: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>
ag·nos·ti·cism \-t?-?si-z?m\noun


Examples of AGNOSTIC

  1. Even polytheists … were in fact tolerated, as Islamic rule spread to most of India. Only the total unbeliever—the agnostic or atheist—was beyond the pale of tolerance … —Bernard Lewis, Islam in History, 1993
  2. Supporters of education vouchers … will love what Norman Macrae has to say on the subject. Teachers' unions and other opponents of vouchers … will deplore it. Voucher agnostics (and I include myself) might find that the proposal not only answers most doubts but also makes sense on issues they've never much thought about. —William Raspberry, Springfield (Massachusetts) Union, 14 Aug. 1987
  3. I call myself an agnostic. I do not really have any faith, any coherent religious faith, and yet the one thing in my life that I feel passionate and evangelical about is poetry. —Maxine Kumin, An Interview at Interlochen, 1977, in To Make a Prairie, 1979
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Origin of AGNOSTIC

Greek agnostos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnostos known, from gignoskein to know  — more at know
First Known Use: 1869
 
 
Even Jimmy pointed out her error.
Nice try, try it on someone else.

"Even Jimmy pointed out her error."

 

Well finally, the voice of authority!

We all know how fair and unbiased Nancy is! LOL

Maybe we could get truecricket to weigh in now with his unbiased opinion to back you up.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Unknowable is subjective. If you don't know something, you're ignorant of it.

And because something is unknowable to you doesn't mean it's unknowable to me.

And your edited texts don't carry any weight anyway.

Soooooooooo...

Are you finally admitting that you lied?

Not knowing is based on lack of enough information to conclude whether a God exists or not. 

For you to know for sure based on the available information is really just faith, nothing more. The great minds of history, much more intelligent than you and I, have debated this to this day, and no evidence has ever been provided.

It's blind faith. There's nothing wrong with that, but I have the right to opine on the subject.

Here's another definition below.

You are here: Philosophy
>> Learn More About Agnostics!
>> What Is An
Agnostic

What is an Agnostic?

What
is an agnostic? An agnostic is popularly defined as a person who holds to a
middle ground between atheism and theism who also believes that the existence of
God is a definite possibility but it is not within the realm of one’s knowledge.
The term agnostic is a combination of the Greek prefix a meaning
without and gnosis meaning knowledge. Thus, an agnostic is
one who confidently affirms, “I don’t know.”

Agnostic
Origins
The term agnostic and the accompanying philosophy of agnosticism
was introduced by Thomas
H. Huxley
, 19th century biologist, philosopher, speaker, and one of the
first and foremost defenders of Charles Darwin’s “Origin
of the Species
.” Huxley clarified the philosophy of agnosticism in a
series of essays published in 1889. He wrote, “Positively, (agnosticism) may be
expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will
take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters
of the intellect do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not
demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith, which if a
man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in
the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.”

 

Nope, I didn't lie. You just want to argue semantics.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"Even Jimmy pointed out her error."

 

Well finally, the voice of authority!

We all know how fair and unbiased Nancy is! LOL

Maybe we could get truecricket to weigh in now with his unbiased opinion to back you up.

No, he referred to Huxley, who originally coined the term. Maybe If you do some research you'd wisen up.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Not knowing is based on lack of enough information to conclude whether a God exists or not. 

For you to know for sure based on the available information is really just faith, nothing more. The great minds of history, much more intelligent than you and I, have debated this to this day, and no evidence has ever been provided.

It's blind faith. There's nothing wrong with that, but I have the right to opine on the subject.

Here's another definition below.

You are here: Philosophy
>> Learn More About Agnostics!
>> What Is An
Agnostic

What is an Agnostic?

What
is an agnostic? An agnostic is popularly defined as a person who holds to a
middle ground between atheism and theism who also believes that the existence of
God is a definite possibility but it is not within the realm of one’s knowledge.
The term agnostic is a combination of the Greek prefix a meaning
without and gnosis meaning knowledge. Thus, an agnostic is
one who confidently affirms, “I don’t know.”

Agnostic
Origins
The term agnostic and the accompanying philosophy of agnosticism
was introduced by Thomas
H. Huxley
, 19th century biologist, philosopher, speaker, and one of the
first and foremost defenders of Charles Darwin’s “Origin
of the Species
.” Huxley clarified the philosophy of agnosticism in a
series of essays published in 1889. He wrote, “Positively, (agnosticism) may be
expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will
take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters
of the intellect do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not
demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith, which if a
man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in
the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.”

 

Nope, I didn't lie. You just want to argue semantics.

"Nope, I didn't lie."            
Yes you did and everybody knows it. Quit embarrassing yourself. Be a man.

 

You say I shouldn't  believe anything written in a book called the Bible but you want me to believe something written in a book by some dork named Huxley?

Why? Is he your God? Why do you believe him? Why should I believe him? Where's the proof? Why does he let 20,000 kids die every day? Did your little green men tell you he's God when they were giving you tonight's numbers? What about the light years and the galaxies? 

 

Listen, my only reason for being involved in this increasingly tedious exchange is to try to get you to understand that I can criticize what you say the same as you can criticize what Christians say.

And I will.

Why can't you understand that?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"Nope, I didn't lie."            
Yes you did and everybody knows it. Quit embarrassing yourself. Be a man.

 

You say I shouldn't  believe anything written in a book called the Bible but you want me to believe something written in a book by some dork named Huxley?

Why? Is he your God? Why do you believe him? Why should I believe him? Where's the proof? Why does he let 20,000 kids die every day? Did your little green men tell you he's God when they were giving you tonight's numbers? What about the light years and the galaxies? 

 

Listen, my only reason for being involved in this increasingly tedious exchange is to try to get you to understand that I can criticize what you say the same as you can criticize what Christians say.

And I will.

Why can't you understand that?

No, Huxley isn't my God because I don't have any Gods. I'm an open minded human who is spiritual to some extent, but that's where I draw the line. I believe there is a universal intelligence out there, but it's a collective one.

 

Why do you keep making me repeat myself? I already said a thousand times that you have every right to criticize me, and a short time ago we agreed to just let each other write what they want. But something happened to you when you saw a response, I forget which one, and then you went back to your old self again.

The only thing that I asked was that If you want to criticize me, why don't you stay on the subject and stop interjecting rediculous and irrelevant cheap shots about my ethnic backround? If you really believe that will give you an upper hand in all this, you are sadly mistaken.

I don't care If you keep ranting, I'll always be there to reply. Except when I'm at work, because I no longer take my laptop with me to work.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Good, now you can go to church on Sunday and tell the guy in the booth what an idiot you were on Wednesday. Then once he clears you, you can come back on Monday and start your crap all over again because you know that on Sunday you can go and clean it all up.

What a deal !

Now you know why I laugh at the rediculous rules certain Christian factions have.  It's so convenient for you. Just sin like there's no tomorrow, but not to worry, Sunday is just around the corner.

Silly Christians and their multitude of different rules matching individual agendas.

I'll tell you what, when all the different versions of Christianity band together and agree on the same rules, then I may take you seriously. Until then, it's a failed attempt to convince me how great it is. Especially If you claim to be a representative. That makes it even more unbelievable.

Hit With Stick

"go to church on Sunday and tell the guy in the booth what an idiot you were"

"I laugh at the rediculous rules certain Christian factions have."

"Silly Christians and their multitude of different rules" 

 

Yeah, I don't believe you have anything against Christians.

I'll just let your words speak for themselves.

No commentary needed.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"Nope, I didn't lie."            
Yes you did and everybody knows it. Quit embarrassing yourself. Be a man.

 

You say I shouldn't  believe anything written in a book called the Bible but you want me to believe something written in a book by some dork named Huxley?

Why? Is he your God? Why do you believe him? Why should I believe him? Where's the proof? Why does he let 20,000 kids die every day? Did your little green men tell you he's God when they were giving you tonight's numbers? What about the light years and the galaxies? 

 

Listen, my only reason for being involved in this increasingly tedious exchange is to try to get you to understand that I can criticize what you say the same as you can criticize what Christians say.

And I will.

Why can't you understand that?

Yes you did and everybody knows it. Quit embarrassing yourself. Be a man.

I just don't get you. It's a definition by a man who coined the term. It's not whether I believe him or not, it's just a definition.  For crying out loud, stop digging at the bottom of the barrel already. It's pointless. Perfecttiming used a definition I've never seen before, so I went and got one...so what? You keep trying to twist things around.

It's like If someone asks me what the definition of apple is. Someone at some point created that word. So do you go around telling people you don't believe the word apple is correct because it was written by someone you don't know, so you're not gonna use it anymore? See how stupid that sounds?

Why don't you think before you try to make an anology.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"go to church on Sunday and tell the guy in the booth what an idiot you were"

"I laugh at the rediculous rules certain Christian factions have."

"Silly Christians and their multitude of different rules" 

 

Yeah, I don't believe you have anything against Christians.

I'll just let your words speak for themselves.

No commentary needed.

That's my opinion. Does it make sense to do whatever you want to do like call me names because as you say, you're a chief of sinners, and drink like a fish, of which the body is a temple of God, and then go to church on Sunday and wipe the slate clean, only to start the whole process over again because you know Sunday is around the corner. If you really believe you're getting away with all of this, well, you're the ignorant one. Sinners are supposed to better themselves no?.....not use the system with confession as an excuse to keep sinning.

I can absolutely point out the contradictions If I want to. Just like you have the right to call me a wife beating caveman cab driver from Iran.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

No, Huxley isn't my God because I don't have any Gods. I'm an open minded human who is spiritual to some extent, but that's where I draw the line. I believe there is a universal intelligence out there, but it's a collective one.

 

Why do you keep making me repeat myself? I already said a thousand times that you have every right to criticize me, and a short time ago we agreed to just let each other write what they want. But something happened to you when you saw a response, I forget which one, and then you went back to your old self again.

The only thing that I asked was that If you want to criticize me, why don't you stay on the subject and stop interjecting rediculous and irrelevant cheap shots about my ethnic backround? If you really believe that will give you an upper hand in all this, you are sadly mistaken.

I don't care If you keep ranting, I'll always be there to reply. Except when I'm at work, because I no longer take my laptop with me to work.

Hey, quit whining about ethnic background bs when you call somebody a hillbilly, pal.

I am a hillbilly and proud of it. But cab drivers from Iran don't get to call me that.

It really doesn't bother me; in fact it is used more as a term of endearment around here nowadays; it's just that I don't afford you that privilege. 

You might get away with it here but if I was in your cab and you called me that you'd be spittin out teeth.

Believe that.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Hey, quit whining about ethnic background bs when you call somebody a hillbilly, pal.

I am a hillbilly and proud of it. But cab drivers from Iran don't get to call me that.

It really doesn't bother me; in fact it is used more as a term of endearment around here nowadays; it's just that I don't afford you that privilege. 

You might get away with it here but if I was in your cab and you called me that you'd be spittin out teeth.

Believe that.

I only started to call you hillbilly because you started with the Iran stuff.

You won't afford me the privilege....really.....Ok, let's see what happens...........HILLBILLY !

Hitting me would be the last thing you ever did. I don't fight clean homey !

joker17

Everytime you open your trap, you dig yourself deeper into the hole.

Maybe you should go back and re-read your Bible.  It seems you have yourown customized version. You're nothing but a hypocrite. You're not a Christian. You only pretend to be a Christian. 

You should be ashamed of yourself for calling yourself a Christian. Pathetic....Thinking of...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

I only started to call you hillbilly because you started with the Iran stuff.

You won't afford me the privilege....really.....Ok, let's see what happens...........HILLBILLY !

Hitting me would be the last thing you ever did. I don't fight clean homey !

"I don't fight clean homey!"

 

You don't have to explain about the "clean" thing.

You don't have to explain at all.

I've been in stinkmobile cabs before.

We all have.

But you like the smell. 

Cuz it's coming off of you.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

"I don't fight clean homey!"

 

You don't have to explain about the "clean" thing.

You don't have to explain at all.

I've been in stinkmobile cabs before.

We all have.

But you like the smell. 

Cuz it's coming off of you.

Sorry, but yet another failed attempt at whatever that is. I take a shower everyday, and sometimes twice a day in the summer time.

It's amazing how you think you know so much about me, yet I defintely know so much more about you.  You believe in fairytales. That tells me a lot.

 

But Ridge knows which one is the correct one. How?....well because he's much more intelligent than the rest of us.

Maybe because it has top billing? Yeah, that's the ticket....The majority rules.....

LOONEY TUNES !......Crazy

 

Yeah, keep it up with the cab thing. I'll just keep listing all the crazy stuff religious brainwashed folks like you believe in.

The difference between your Iran cab driver stunts and what I write, is that mine is true.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Sorry, but yet another failed attempt at whatever that is. I take a shower everyday, and sometimes twice a day in the summer time.

It's amazing how you think you know so much about me, yet I defintely know so much more about you.  You believe in fairytales. That tells me a lot.

 

But Ridge knows which one is the correct one. How?....well because he's much more intelligent than the rest of us.

Maybe because it has top billing? Yeah, that's the ticket....The majority rules.....

LOONEY TUNES !......Crazy

 

Yeah, keep it up with the cab thing. I'll just keep listing all the crazy stuff religious brainwashed folks like you believe in.

The difference between your Iran cab driver stunts and what I write, is that mine is true.

What are you preaching and proselytizing about?

You're never going to convert me if that's what it's all about.

 

I've never made any claims about anything. And I don't care what your beliefs are. But you seem to be obsessed with hate for Christianity for some reason.

So go ahead and have another meltdown.

But you will not shut me up.

Ever.

You may push women around at home but it ain't happening here without me saying something about it.

It's the new world order.

Get used to it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

What are you preaching and proselytizing about?

You're never going to convert me if that's what it's all about.

 

I've never made any claims about anything. And I don't care what your beliefs are. But you seem to be obsessed with hate for Christianity for some reason.

So go ahead and have another meltdown.

But you will not shut me up.

Ever.

You may push women around at home but it ain't happening here without me saying something about it.

It's the new world order.

Get used to it.

I'm not trying to convert you, just showing the folly of your ways. There's no way to convert a brainwashed person who's in a trance, into a person who actually thinks for himself. It's impossible unless the person wakes up from their stupor when they investigate the facts. And since you don't believe in facts, it's futile to convert you.

As long as you keep up with the cab things, I'll keep up with reminding you of how little your capacity is to think for yourself.

Keep it up, I got all night and all day and night tomorrow.

I will however take a break around 8:00 tonight because I start to drink my Heinekens and play my guitar to  many backtracks from different styles of music. The backtracks are great because it's a backtracking of bands without a lead guitar, to which I fill in.

I can have fun playing my guitar and forget about you and your dumb racist remarks for about 2 hours. Then I can come back and remind you again of your folly.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

I'm not trying to convert you, just showing the folly of your ways. There's no way to convert a brainwashed person who's in a trance, into a person who actually thinks for himself. It's impossible unless the person wakes up from their stupor when they investigate the facts. And since you don't believe in facts, it's futile to convert you.

As long as you keep up with the cab things, I'll keep up with reminding you of how little your capacity is to think for yourself.

Keep it up, I got all night and all day and night tomorrow.

I will however take a break around 8:00 tonight because I start to drink my Heinekens and play my guitar to  many backtracks from different styles of music. The backtracks are great because it's a backtracking of bands without a lead guitar, to which I fill in.

I can have fun playing my guitar and forget about you and your dumb racist remarks for about 2 hours. Then I can come back and remind you again of your folly.

Yeah, I'll bet you're an expert musician.

Watch out the snake doesn't bite you when you open the basket, now.

 

Oh, and I'm not sure but I think they cut down your virgins from 72 to 29 if you drink alcohol. So think about that.

Just sayin...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Yeah, I'll bet you're an expert musician.

Watch out the snake doesn't bite you when you open the basket, now.

 

Oh, and I'm not sure but I think they cut down your virgins from 72 to 29 if you drink alcohol. So think about that.

Just sayin...

Now I know why you drink so much. You're a miserable Christian wannabe man. Did you have a miserable childhood?

Silly old hillbilly that drinks like a fish and calls himself a Christian....

Disapprove

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Now I know why you drink so much. You're a miserable Christian wannabe man. Did you have a miserable childhood?

Silly old hillbilly that drinks like a fish and calls himself a Christian....

Disapprove

This must be deja moo.

Cuz I'm pretty sure I've heard this bull before.

 

Nothing new?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

This must be deja moo.

Cuz I'm pretty sure I've heard this bull before.

 

Nothing new?

Yeah, I got somethng new. I just grew a new hair in my butt crack.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Yeah, I got somethng new. I just grew a new hair in my butt crack.

Who told you?

Nancy or truecricket?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Not knowing is based on lack of enough information to conclude whether a God exists or not. 

For you to know for sure based on the available information is really just faith, nothing more. The great minds of history, much more intelligent than you and I, have debated this to this day, and no evidence has ever been provided.

It's blind faith. There's nothing wrong with that, but I have the right to opine on the subject.

Here's another definition below.

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What is an Agnostic?

What
is an agnostic? An agnostic is popularly defined as a person who holds to a
middle ground between atheism and theism who also believes that the existence of
God is a definite possibility but it is not within the realm of one’s knowledge.
The term agnostic is a combination of the Greek prefix a meaning
without and gnosis meaning knowledge. Thus, an agnostic is
one who confidently affirms, “I don’t know.”

Agnostic
Origins
The term agnostic and the accompanying philosophy of agnosticism
was introduced by Thomas
H. Huxley
, 19th century biologist, philosopher, speaker, and one of the
first and foremost defenders of Charles Darwin’s “Origin
of the Species
.” Huxley clarified the philosophy of agnosticism in a
series of essays published in 1889. He wrote, “Positively, (agnosticism) may be
expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will
take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters
of the intellect do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not
demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith, which if a
man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in
the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.”

 

Nope, I didn't lie. You just want to argue semantics.

you don't suffer from "lack of information",  you just don't like the information,  and therefore reject it solely on the basis of one component contained within the information.

the "authority" component.

you only reject the fact of a personal God because of the authority over your life dilemma.

once you cross that line philoshopically that God is "personal", you have to cross the line right then and there that God has standards over your life,  and therefore distinctive behavior "commandments",  and that's what riles your goat.

a Christian can talk about Christianity all day long.   but start to add the 'authority" aspect to the conversation,  and the anti crowd goes insane

it's why you solely attack Christianity,  because Christianty is the only "religion" that has a personal God,  with definitive standards.

other religions are merely "suggestions" on how to live a more pure moral based life, among other definitions.

Christianity isn't a "way of life"

Christianity revolves around Christ claiming to be God,  and as God,  he has power and authority over His creation.

it's that "component" you fight so hard against.

"lack of information" is nothing more than an intellectual cop out,  so you *think* you can recuse yourself from the authority of God over your life thingy.

besides being a intellectual cop out,  really it's about as dumb a statement as one human being can make.

if there is a God,  and He is responsible for the creation of billions of people,   your dumb statement that not one of those billions of people in history ever knew Him (based on "insufficient evidence"),  couldn't possible stand on it's own in the truth circle

that's as weak as it gets in explaining away God,  just so you can make up your own rules.

good old common sense slices that lame statement into billions of pieces when you pick truth over emotion,  and the truth based answer would be that God would not allow  billions of people to exist,  and then fall just short of a relationship with Him because well,   God is just not that good at feathering out information about Himself.

your statement equates to this,  that no one in history has ever known Him,  or known that things that are definitive in nature about Him.

if God exists,  that's a lie

that's a stupid,  lame statement.

you don't know personally speaking,  because you keep demonstrating you don't want to know,  not because there is a "lack of information".

your first move is always angst laden,  it isn't a "search".    it's seek and destroy,  and no one finds God ever that way.

it's your life,  and you can lie your way to the dirt nap there isn't "enough evidence",  or whatever other lame thing you can come up with,  so that you can convince yourself you don't "have to".

billions have known Him throughout history,  and untold millions know Him right now as i type this.

your "debate points" aren't even in the ballpark parking lot on the logical scale of history

there selfish, childish and downright rediculous

you are far more representative of a child that wants to do nothing but rebel,  and looks for ways to justify it

i have no problem you picking this path for your life,  but you can bet cab fare i won't stand by and allow you to get away with influencing people into intellectual oblivion.

"there isn't enough evidence".   thats a crock,  and reminds us all on how good you are with countering with your....

 "HARD EVIDENCE"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

dang,  at 10:01pm eastern time,  joker is going to come back and play his drunken version of stairway to heaven.

trouble is,  is angst will take over the demonic control of his guitar,  and it will end up sounding more like highway to hell sung by justin bieber.

i can't decide if i am looking forward to this,  or snot ...

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

you don't suffer from "lack of information",  you just don't like the information,  and therefore reject it solely on the basis of one component contained within the information.

the "authority" component.

you only reject the fact of a personal God because of the authority over your life dilemma.

once you cross that line philoshopically that God is "personal", you have to cross the line right then and there that God has standards over your life,  and therefore distinctive behavior "commandments",  and that's what riles your goat.

a Christian can talk about Christianity all day long.   but start to add the 'authority" aspect to the conversation,  and the anti crowd goes insane

it's why you solely attack Christianity,  because Christianty is the only "religion" that has a personal God,  with definitive standards.

other religions are merely "suggestions" on how to live a more pure moral based life, among other definitions.

Christianity isn't a "way of life"

Christianity revolves around Christ claiming to be God,  and as God,  he has power and authority over His creation.

it's that "component" you fight so hard against.

"lack of information" is nothing more than an intellectual cop out,  so you *think* you can recuse yourself from the authority of God over your life thingy.

besides being a intellectual cop out,  really it's about as dumb a statement as one human being can make.

if there is a God,  and He is responsible for the creation of billions of people,   your dumb statement that not one of those billions of people in history ever knew Him (based on "insufficient evidence"),  couldn't possible stand on it's own in the truth circle

that's as weak as it gets in explaining away God,  just so you can make up your own rules.

good old common sense slices that lame statement into billions of pieces when you pick truth over emotion,  and the truth based answer would be that God would not allow  billions of people to exist,  and then fall just short of a relationship with Him because well,   God is just not that good at feathering out information about Himself.

your statement equates to this,  that no one in history has ever known Him,  or known that things that are definitive in nature about Him.

if God exists,  that's a lie

that's a stupid,  lame statement.

you don't know personally speaking,  because you keep demonstrating you don't want to know,  not because there is a "lack of information".

your first move is always angst laden,  it isn't a "search".    it's seek and destroy,  and no one finds God ever that way.

it's your life,  and you can lie your way to the dirt nap there isn't "enough evidence",  or whatever other lame thing you can come up with,  so that you can convince yourself you don't "have to".

billions have known Him throughout history,  and untold millions know Him right now as i type this.

your "debate points" aren't even in the ballpark parking lot on the logical scale of history

there selfish, childish and downright rediculous

you are far more representative of a child that wants to do nothing but rebel,  and looks for ways to justify it

i have no problem you picking this path for your life,  but you can bet cab fare i won't stand by and allow you to get away with influencing people into intellectual oblivion.

"there isn't enough evidence".   thats a crock,  and reminds us all on how good you are with countering with your....

 "HARD EVIDENCE"

you don't suffer from "lack of information",  you just don't like the information,  and therefore reject it solely on the basis of one component contained within the information

 

I don't suffer from anything. The information I've gathered points in the direction of NO EVIDENCE PERIOD ! You think you know all there is to know, but based on what you write, I feel you don't have a clue pertaining to subjectivity.

 

 

you only reject the fact of a personal God because of the authority over your life dilemma.

 

Wrong again. I would love to have a relationship with an almighty God. Only a fool would reject a bond with the creator. But unfortunately, no evidence exists. Believe it or not, I used to believe in the Christian faith. I really did. But then I realized that all the religions can't be right at the same time, so a red flag went up.

 

 

it's why you solely attack Christianity,  because Christianty is the only "religion" that has a personal God,  with definitive standards.

 

Oh c'mon, how many times have i wrote that it's organized religion, and not just Christianity. Get with the program already. Do you really believe I agree with the Muslim losers who blow up innocent people because they think they're gonna meet 72 virgins? You make me laugh sometimes. Don't you get it? It's right under your nose. Just about every religion claims to be the right one and has the most rediculous rules to enter heaven. Some of the rules make sense, like treat your fellow human being with love and all the good stuff. Telling me I won't eneter heaven because I didn't believe in a particular faith is where it becomes stupid. I can't beleive you don't see the contradictions. You just want to go on preaching about the specifics of one religion, when in order to get a feel for reality, one must see the BIG picture, and that's what you lack.

 

 

Christianity revolves around Christ claiming to be God,  and as God,  he has power and authority over His creation.

 

Just because you re-write something you've seen doesn't make it a fact. I wrote this, so it must be true. Your legitimacy filter sucks.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

visiondude and rdgrnr - Thank you.  I had asked this as the final question: "Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?"

You have both responded favorably to my question that posting "Complete coincidence...period" would not be a problem.

visiondude's actual response (slightly shortened):  "it is,..."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106674

rdgrnr's actual response: "Absolutely."  https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2106503

I would say that the arguments start small and just keep getting worse and worse.  Hopefully you see this and agree.

Now, I'd like to direct you to May 29, 2011 and in particular to page 2 of this thread.  This page contains the very first post by joker and comments by visiondude and rdgrnr.

Here is the link, https://www.lotterypost.com/news/232109/2  - so you can read the actual page and verify I didn't change anything.

Here are the posts, shown in order of the times posted.

First Joker posts this:

joker

 

Then visiondude's comment

visiondude

...and further down the page, rdgrnr's comment

rdgrnr

It appears you both responded to his post, which is phrased almost exactly like what I asked about above (Complete coincidence...period) (Is that middle ground? - is that respectful enough that you would NOT criticize it?).  ...and then it escalates into 40 pages.  Part of the escalation is due to past history between joker, visiondude and rdgrnr.  I can include myself and maybe a few others in there as well, however I never posted a response directly to the lottery winner in this thread.

To be honest, joker posted something respectful and you both jumped in.  In all fairness I think rdgrnr may have been including other posters as well, in his comment (not sure what was running through his head at the time). 

Would you guys agree that you should have left joker's post without a comment?  I would hope so, based on your answers to my questions.

Lottery Post is on the net - the net is worldwide.  Even in the U.S. there are religions of probably every faith in the world and there has been a lot of disrespect shown against many of them in this thread (and others).  That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post.   Religion/Atheist discussions will never be solved here.  I don't know the proper thing at this point, maybe, "can't we all get along?"  or "shake hands and let's move on."

...that brought a tear to my eye!  cry

(Skewer me if you must...)

joker's first intial was not out of line,  and my response to him was not either.

it was a rebuttal of his "just coincidence" assertion,  using the guy who this thread is dedicated to as example of what could happen should you allow God to be real,  instead of just excusing him away.

you took one thing and asserted that was an 'attack',  and that's an agenda lie.

there is not one hit of "chop" or sarcastic jerkitis in my response to jokers post.

i used joker's post to "teach" about the other side of the coin

if anything,  joker launched into his waiting in the wings tirade when he didn't like my "narrow" response,  in his very next post.

the difference,  despite even our history,  mine was respectful.

joker just wants to fight,  so.....he gets his wish

 

" That doesn't seem like a good thing for Lottery Post".

 ahhh,  the underhanded attempt at shutting down something you don't like or approve of,  and using the innocent kum by ya move.

i sure recognize that from 500 miles away when i smell it

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

dang,  at 10:01pm eastern time,  joker is going to come back and play his drunken version of stairway to heaven.

trouble is,  is angst will take over the demonic control of his guitar,  and it will end up sounding more like highway to hell sung by justin bieber.

i can't decide if i am looking forward to this,  or snot ...

I actually LOL'ed...lol

Green laugh

You see why I say I like you and Ridge. I'm sure you guys are nice guys just trying to get through this hectic world. It's just egos that separate our friendship. I'm guilty of it no doubt.

That was good Vision. it's a side i rarely see from you...

Jester

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 20, 2011

Somebody who calls himself "mccainisthrough" did the video so I'm sure it's not the least bit biased.

Libs are such an annoyance.

No offense Nancy, but effeminate men creep me out.

The video has been uploaded by many and to many forums.  Its title is Sam Harris Explains Atheism/Reality.  Too bad your bandwidth is so limiting up there.  BTW, where do you run into these effeminate men that seem to be so unsettling to you - on the hill, or in the holler' ?

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

(Sorry rdgrnr, I'm sure you would find it interesting.)

 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 22, 2011

The video has been uploaded by many and to many forums.  Its title is Sam Harris Explains Atheism/Reality.  Too bad your bandwidth is so limiting up there.  BTW, where do you run into these effeminate men that seem to be so unsettling to you - on the hill, or in the holler' ?

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

(Sorry rdgrnr, I'm sure you would find it interesting.)

 

Great point. i wonder why I didn't think of this.

How did ridge determine Sam Harris as having a feminine trait, if he can't watch videos?

hmmmmm....something is fishy in Tennessee.....lol

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 22, 2011

The video has been uploaded by many and to many forums.  Its title is Sam Harris Explains Atheism/Reality.  Too bad your bandwidth is so limiting up there.  BTW, where do you run into these effeminate men that seem to be so unsettling to you - on the hill, or in the holler' ?

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

(Sorry rdgrnr, I'm sure you would find it interesting.)

 

Sorry Nancy, no offense, but you sound like a woman the way you write.

You know, all that touchy-feely crap.

Creepy.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Great point. i wonder why I didn't think of this.

How did ridge determine Sam Harris as having a feminine trait, if he can't watch videos?

hmmmmm....something is fishy in Tennessee.....lol

I didn't know he did but thanks for letting me know.

I was referring to Nancy.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

you don't suffer from "lack of information",  you just don't like the information,  and therefore reject it solely on the basis of one component contained within the information

 

I don't suffer from anything. The information I've gathered points in the direction of NO EVIDENCE PERIOD ! You think you know all there is to know, but based on what you write, I feel you don't have a clue pertaining to subjectivity.

 

 

you only reject the fact of a personal God because of the authority over your life dilemma.

 

Wrong again. I would love to have a relationship with an almighty God. Only a fool would reject a bond with the creator. But unfortunately, no evidence exists. Believe it or not, I used to believe in the Christian faith. I really did. But then I realized that all the religions can't be right at the same time, so a red flag went up.

 

 

it's why you solely attack Christianity,  because Christianty is the only "religion" that has a personal God,  with definitive standards.

 

Oh c'mon, how many times have i wrote that it's organized religion, and not just Christianity. Get with the program already. Do you really believe I agree with the Muslim losers who blow up innocent people because they think they're gonna meet 72 virgins? You make me laugh sometimes. Don't you get it? It's right under your nose. Just about every religion claims to be the right one and has the most rediculous rules to enter heaven. Some of the rules make sense, like treat your fellow human being with love and all the good stuff. Telling me I won't eneter heaven because I didn't believe in a particular faith is where it becomes stupid. I can't beleive you don't see the contradictions. You just want to go on preaching about the specifics of one religion, when in order to get a feel for reality, one must see the BIG picture, and that's what you lack.

 

 

Christianity revolves around Christ claiming to be God,  and as God,  he has power and authority over His creation.

 

Just because you re-write something you've seen doesn't make it a fact. I wrote this, so it must be true. Your legitimacy filter sucks.

"Telling me I won't eneter heaven because I didn't believe in a particular faith is where it becomes stupid".

 ok,  we will play the game your way,  but play it fast,  your not as "clear" after slugging heinekens.

so then,   since your personal dirt nap is fast approaching, maybe you can give all of us what the specific criteria is for entering heaven?

it has to be specific and perfectly equal to every human being for admission.

it's impossible to have a sliding scale measurement,  because that totally negates a level that's "just good enough".

sliding scales are subjective and untrustworthy.   no one would be able to tell where the definitive line begins or ends.

so,  in it's simplest form.....what's "good enough"?

you rail against the what you think are the "impossibilities" of this pursuit,  so with all your 'research',  you must have come across the exact standards that insure a residentcy in heaven.

if not,  your personally in a bad bad place,  because your guessing

remember,  anyone with half a brain about this knows if there is a God,  WE don't create the standards for residentcy.  God does.

your angst is arrogant enough to think you can.

well.......what's your "hard evidence"

you guys wanna bet he has no clue ?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

I didn't know he did but thanks for letting me know.

I was referring to Nancy.

Look, I was born at night, but not last night. I can go back and find where you were referring to the person in the video. I really can.

And so what If he is, which I disagree. It's the content that counts, not his sexuality. Boy, I swear, you always go around the facts and find supposed flaws in someone that has nothing to do with the subject. That kind of distraction shows me you are purposely avoiding the isuues.

But guess what, no matter how hard you try, you can't get around my FILTER. I can smell rotten fish a mile away.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 22, 2011

The video has been uploaded by many and to many forums.  Its title is Sam Harris Explains Atheism/Reality.  Too bad your bandwidth is so limiting up there.  BTW, where do you run into these effeminate men that seem to be so unsettling to you - on the hill, or in the holler' ?

Time Out !!!

This might be a good time to take a few minutes to listen to someone else discuss these issues in a calm, cool manner...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

(Sorry rdgrnr, I'm sure you would find it interesting.)

 

Ah, I see Nancy changed his avatar to female again.

That reminds me, I need to drop my truck off at the shop so they can do some work on the tranny

Might get a new CD player too.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

"Telling me I won't eneter heaven because I didn't believe in a particular faith is where it becomes stupid".

 ok,  we will play the game your way,  but play it fast,  your not as "clear" after slugging heinekens.

so then,   since your personal dirt nap is fast approaching, maybe you can give all of us what the specific criteria is for entering heaven?

it has to be specific and perfectly equal to every human being for admission.

it's impossible to have a sliding scale measurement,  because that totally negates a level that's "just good enough".

sliding scales are subjective and untrustworthy.   no one would be able to tell where the definitive line begins or ends.

so,  in it's simplest form.....what's "good enough"?

you rail against the what you think are the "impossibilities" of this pursuit,  so with all your 'research',  you must have come across the exact standards that insure a residentcy in heaven.

if not,  your personally in a bad bad place,  because your guessing

remember,  anyone with half a brain about this knows if there is a God,  WE don't create the standards for residentcy.  God does.

your angst is arrogant enough to think you can.

well.......what's your "hard evidence"

you guys wanna bet he has no clue ?

You just don't get it. I don't believe in hell and heaven and everything in between.

I was simply making a point about the discrepencies between the claims of many many religions claiming to know the correct way to enter heaven.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I think I get your point finally.

You say we shouldn't believe the "ignorant old men" who wrote the Bible.

But we should believe some little Iranian cab driver. LOL

Have I got that right?

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

I think I get your point finally.

You say we shouldn't believe the "ignorant old men" who wrote the Bible.

But we should believe some little Iranian cab driver. LOL

Have I got that right?

Based on this, your last post, you REALLY need to watch this video.  Write down the URL and the next time you're in a library, watch it.  You'd better watch out for those male librarians though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 22, 2011

Based on this, your last post, you REALLY need to watch this video.  Write down the URL and the next time you're in a library, watch it.  You'd better watch out for those male librarians though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5DSeHqp_zc

"...watch out for those male librarians..."

Sounds like the voice of experience talking.

 

I'll take a pass on your video though.

Thanks anyway.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

You just don't get it. I don't believe in hell and heaven and everything in between.

I was simply making a point about the discrepencies between the claims of many many religions claiming to know the correct way to enter heaven.

i more than get it.

you rail against something you admittedly don't have any idea about,  and yet you attack those who feel they do.

none of that makes sense.

if you pounded 12 heinekens in a row tonight,  got up off the couch,  stumbled and was skewered by your headstock,  you have zero clue as to where the line is,  and if you have crossed it into "good enough land".

just because you don't want to know,  doesn't mean there aren't people who do know,  or who at least pretend they do.

and "those people" you need to leave well enough alone.

 

what i demonstrated again about you tonight,  is that as much trash as you talk about other peoples "beliefs",  when it comes time for your pontification,  you are deaftly silent.

i gave you a huge stage to pontificate the "just enough" speech. 

, decorated the halls with balloons,  and sent out world wide invitations,  and you couldn't offer squat on "what's enough".

until you can describe at least that at minimum,  shut your sound hole (a guitar reference),  and let others to thier beliefs

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

I think I get your point finally.

You say we shouldn't believe the "ignorant old men" who wrote the Bible.

But we should believe some little Iranian cab driver. LOL

Have I got that right?

This cab driver has done his homework. You don't have to believe me, just realize there are different viewpoints. In my world, the pieces fit. I see the BIG picture. Take off those bliners and your peripheral vision will allow you to see a panorama.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

i more than get it.

you rail against something you admittedly don't have any idea about,  and yet you attack those who feel they do.

none of that makes sense.

if you pounded 12 heinekens in a row tonight,  got up off the couch,  stumbled and was skewered by your headstock,  you have zero clue as to where the line is,  and if you have crossed it into "good enough land".

just because you don't want to know,  doesn't mean there aren't people who do know,  or who at least pretend they do.

and "those people" you need to leave well enough alone.

 

what i demonstrated again about you tonight,  is that as much trash as you talk about other peoples "beliefs",  when it comes time for your pontification,  you are deaftly silent.

i gave you a huge stage to pontificate the "just enough" speech. 

, decorated the halls with balloons,  and sent out world wide invitations,  and you couldn't offer squat on "what's enough".

until you can describe at least that at minimum,  shut your sound hole (a guitar reference),  and let others to thier beliefs

I already answered your question. You asked me what was enough to enter heaven, and I said I don't believe in hell and heaven. What part don't you get?

You pretend to know. That's not my fault. Anyone can claim they know for sure. I claim I don't know for sure. What's so bad about that?  It shows I don't believe everything I hear or see. I do an investigation and look for anomolies. If it don't jive, I discount it. I have to draw the line somewhere.

Just because you claim you have a monopoly on truth doesn't make it so.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

This cab driver has done his homework. You don't have to believe me, just realize there are different viewpoints. In my world, the pieces fit. I see the BIG picture. Take off those bliners and your peripheral vision will allow you to see a panorama.

Done your homework?

What, you read some books?

And you believe them?

Where's the proof?

What about the carbon dating?

What about the galaxies and the light years?

 

 

I think your head is lined up with Uranus.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Done your homework?

What, you read some books?

And you believe them?

Where's the proof?

What about the carbon dating?

What about the galaxies and the light years?

 

 

I think your head is lined up with Uranus.

You've yet to answer such fundamental questions.

So convenient. You believe science when it benefits you, but when God is involved, science is just hokey pokey?

I get it....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

You've yet to answer such fundamental questions.

So convenient. You believe science when it benefits you, but when God is involved, science is just hokey pokey?

I get it....

You should write one of those books too.

Get Nancy to back you up.

Become an author.

I'm sure Nancy will be right behind you all the way, thrusting your career forward.

joker17

Unknowingly, the person who always puts science down, doesn't realize that there's someone out there who's done their homework. I've heard this so many times it's funny.

They love their cars, TV's, blenders, space shuttle programs, GPS's, life saving cures, but when it intercedes with a scientific approach regarding the same scrutiny of a passing grade with God's existence, all of a sudden scientists are flakes.

How convenient.

How do we know that light travels at 186,000 miles per second....oh those crazy scientists.....PROVE IT TO ME.....They must have an agenda.....

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

You just don't get it. I don't believe in hell and heaven and everything in between.

I was simply making a point about the discrepencies between the claims of many many religions claiming to know the correct way to enter heaven.

"You just don't get it. I don't believe in hell and heaven and everything in between".

 i get that too,  because if you went that far,  then the "authority" aspect kicks in.

either way,  it's rediculous to think that God created us for just this life,  and then let the power of His creative end result slip thru His fingers,  only to allow the world to reduce itself to disarray and ultimate chaos.

poor God,  His God-like skills aren't very good.  whoops,  i am not very good at controlling what i made.  my B

if this life is all there is,  at some point God during the disgust of it all, God would wipe the slate clean,  and start over.    a "do-over",  until He got it right

he did a small scale geoGRAPHICal "do over" once before,  but just enough to keep his creation project up and running

if this life was all there is,  He would not have allowed His creation to act this wacked while handling it,  and sit and watch as humanity eventually totally obliterated itself,  and rob Him of His accomplishment

that would mean He is completely impersonal and disenfranchised,  and that isn't true.

there is an afterlife allright, it is the culmination of Gods original intent for creating us in the first place - for an unhindered relationship.

he has to have some sort of divided destination in order to accomplish that,  because let's face it,  there are a TON of people that hate Him,  and "they" won't be in His eternal prescence.

it doesn't matter what you believe now,  as much as what you believed prior to your beer and guitar taking your life

you won't be able to escape "hard evidence" then,  whatever that amounts to

even you know there is something beyond deadasadoornailfuneralhome.org

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

You win joker.

I give up.

I now believe you guys when you say your ancestors were monkeys.

There's no longer any doubt in my mind.

My condolences.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

(1)  you forgot to mention lottery post.    not cool

(2) aren't you supposed to be slugging heinekens right now ?

(3) 186,000 miles,  185,783miles, 187,777 miles a second ....who cares? 

God created the light instantaneously,  and gave stephen "i don't need god" hawking the breath of life

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

"You just don't get it. I don't believe in hell and heaven and everything in between".

 i get that too,  because if you went that far,  then the "authority" aspect kicks in.

either way,  it's rediculous to think that God created us for just this life,  and then let the power of His creative end result slip thru His fingers,  only to allow the world to reduce itself to disarray and ultimate chaos.

poor God,  His God-like skills aren't very good.  whoops,  i am not very good at controlling what i made.  my B

if this life is all there is,  at some point God during the disgust of it all, God would wipe the slate clean,  and start over.    a "do-over",  until He got it right

he did a small scale geoGRAPHICal "do over" once before,  but just enough to keep his creation project up and running

if this life was all there is,  He would not have allowed His creation to act this wacked while handling it,  and sit and watch as humanity eventually totally obliterated itself,  and rob Him of His accomplishment

that would mean He is completely impersonal and disenfranchised,  and that isn't true.

there is an afterlife allright, it is the culmination of Gods original intent for creating us in the first place - for an unhindered relationship.

he has to have some sort of divided destination in order to accomplish that,  because let's face it,  there are a TON of people that hate Him,  and "they" won't be in His eternal prescence.

it doesn't matter what you believe now,  as much as what you believed prior to your beer and guitar taking your life

you won't be able to escape "hard evidence" then,  whatever that amounts to

even you know there is something beyond deadasadoornailfuneralhome.org

I read everythng you write, and you're always writing as if you know for sure. Example......"He does this and thinks that" "God does this and that"...."His intenition is this and that".

You only think you have a pipeline to God, but it's just a delusion.

You can't answer a simple question, but you want me to take you seriously.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

(1)  you forgot to mention lottery post.    not cool

(2) aren't you supposed to be slugging heinekens right now ?

(3) 186,000 miles,  185,783miles, 187,777 miles a second ....who cares? 

God created the light instantaneously,  and gave stephen "i don't need god" hawking the breath of life

God changed the law of physics temporarily to create the universe, but made it look like it took billions of years?

Yeah, God likes to create confusion.

It's not like humans are confused enough, let's confuse them even more..

That makes sense....you're right Vision....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

If you like Heineken you could save yourself some money by just buying Budweiser and letting it sit in the sun for a couple years till it goes skunky.

Tastes exactly like Heineken. Puke

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

You win joker.

I give up.

I now believe you guys when you say your ancestors were monkeys.

There's no longer any doubt in my mind.

My condolences.

I just called my monkey's uncle and he agreed with me.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

I just called my monkey's uncle and he agreed with me.

See, I knew you were.

How about a banana?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

If you like Heineken you could save yourself some money by just buying Budweiser and letting it sit in the sun for a couple years till it goes skunky.

Tastes exactly like Heineken. Puke

Oh no you didn't....

I used to hate Heineken years ago because of the bold after taste, but then I realized that you get what you pay for. There's no hangover in the morning, well, maybe a little haze, but nothing like drinking Budcrapper.

I can't believe I drank that bud stuff for years. I must've been nuts.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Oh no you didn't....

I used to hate Heineken years ago because of the bold after taste, but then I realized that you get what you pay for. There's no hangover in the morning, well, maybe a little haze, but nothing like drinking Budcrapper.

I can't believe I drank that bud stuff for years. I must've been nuts.

Yeah, it's true.

Let some Bud go a month or two past it's expiration date and it tastes exactly like Heineken.

Even has that same puke smell that Heineken has.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Yeah, it's true.

Let some Bud go a month or two past it's expiration date and it tastes exactly like Heineken.

Even has that same puke smell that Heineken has.

Ok...

That's the most expensive puke I've ever bought.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

of course i know for sure.

on exactly every little tiny nuance in life,  heck no,  no one does.

but on issues where God has made Himself plain,  who He is and what He demands of His creation, you bet i know.

you keep coming from the angle that no one knows,  therefore no one could possibly speak with any authority on the subject matter.

remember,  for you to hold to that position, no one in the billions of people born "ever knew".

and yet you make the most hypocritical statement when you say you believe there "could be" a God.

you either don't even know what you believe about that,  or you do,  and it is your acting job of selling yourself in here as a "seeker"

seekers give a full wide path to the possibility,  and when you make the asertion that no one could possibly know, you give a window into your true motivation.

it isn't arrogant for someone to say they do know on things that are definitive,  it's when they attempt to sell the notion they know EVERYTHING.

i never have. 

while i do know alot,  and i am cemented in the assertion of what i do know,  still i am no different than anyone else who is still learning about God,  and what He desires.

but i want to know,  and i have zero problem with the authority attachment to knowing,  and that's why and how i can know.

when someone like you fights the initial authority aspect,   you will never know,  until you get over that.

******************************************************************************************

"You can't answer a simple question, but you want me to take you seriously".

 i never answer you,  to answer you.....i use you to "teach".

i answer you only to handle my business vs what i claim.   i don't pretend to think what i say to you sways you past your angst.    your fully entrenched in that.

"i answer you" , because my integrity demands it of me,  and that has zero to do with you

it's painfully obvious you don't deserve credibility "seriousness" when you just lied again.

i answered your question,  but again it's your waek defense,  because now i have you in another corner where you couldn't handle the "what's the definitive line" arguement.

our exchanges are archived ,  and your the one that continually skates when challenged with something.

you lied again.     i guess you HAVE started drinking

joker17

Look who's talking. You drink JD...Puke

I bought a bottle about 2 or 3 months ago and I almost dieded from shock...lol

That stuff is poison.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

of course i know for sure.

on exactly every little tiny nuance in life,  heck no,  no one does.

but on issues where God has made Himself plain,  who He is and what He demands of His creation, you bet i know.

you keep coming from the angle that no one knows,  therefore no one could possibly speak with any authority on the subject matter.

remember,  for you to hold to that position, no one in the billions of people born "ever knew".

and yet you make the most hypocritical statement when you say you believe there "could be" a God.

you either don't even know what you believe about that,  or you do,  and it is your acting job of selling yourself in here as a "seeker"

seekers give a full wide path to the possibility,  and when you make the asertion that no one could possibly know, you give a window into your true motivation.

it isn't arrogant for someone to say they do know on things that are definitive,  it's when they attempt to sell the notion they know EVERYTHING.

i never have. 

while i do know alot,  and i am cemented in the assertion of what i do know,  still i am no different than anyone else who is still learning about God,  and what He desires.

but i want to know,  and i have zero problem with the authority attachment to knowing,  and that's why and how i can know.

when someone like you fights the initial authority aspect,   you will never know,  until you get over that.

******************************************************************************************

"You can't answer a simple question, but you want me to take you seriously".

 i never answer you,  to answer you.....i use you to "teach".

i answer you only to handle my business vs what i claim.   i don't pretend to think what i say to you sways you past your angst.    your fully entrenched in that.

"i answer you" , because my integrity demands it of me,  and that has zero to do with you

it's painfully obvious you don't deserve credibility "seriousness" when you just lied again.

i answered your question,  but again it's your waek defense,  because now i have you in another corner where you couldn't handle the "what's the definitive line" arguement.

our exchanges are archived ,  and your the one that continually skates when challenged with something.

you lied again.     i guess you HAVE started drinking

Thank God.

Maybe he sent you to wake me up.

I appreciate your diligence.  You may have truly saved my soul fom eternal dam-nashion.

I'm just gonna treat everyone on this thread with respect, love, and selflishlessness....

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Look who's talking. You drink JD...Puke

I bought a bottle about 2 or 3 months ago and I almost dieded from shock...lol

That stuff is poison.

Some people gotta ease up on Jack.

Try it with Coke on the rocks first, then with water on the rocks, then just on the rocks, then straight, and in no time you'll realize there ain't too many things in the world better than Jack.

It's a Rite of Passage in Tennessee.

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visiondude

There's kind of a lull at the moment, so...

Have a question for you.  No agenda, just wondering your take on the France thingy.  Because I just can't see a meaning.  Lots of things just come and go without meaning.  You can have a car that starts everyday for 3 yrs and then all of a sudden it doesn't start - I can't see how that would be a "God" induced plan.

It's been 3 years.  Suppose you wake up tomorrow and the day ends with no France.  What does that mean or prove (to you)?  Say France shows up the next day and continues for a long time.  What do you do about that one day without France?

Or say it becomes sporadic, what would that mean (to you)?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

science is a dizzying sport,  and cannot be trusted for your personal zip code in eternity.

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

now THAT'S a fact.

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

what "time" it takes to measure something isn't equal to it's ability to create itself,   your just stuck at how fast it travels

God said He created the light instantaneously,  and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway. 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

that's intellectual / spiritual suicide.

if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

he made you,  even with your mouth running 186,001 miles a second,  didn't He ?

"billions of years" is hogwash.    science that favors ditching God manufactured that lie. 

go ahead,  trust the anti God scienterrific community for the "facts" when explaining things involving eternity,  and see how far you get. 

you won't get "God",  and didn't you just tell the board that's who you are looking for?

you keep saying one thing,  and spitting out reasons not to.

there is far more going on than a stint in rehab near area 51  to your conscience around.

there are "geologists" in eternity

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Some people gotta ease up on Jack.

Try it with Coke on the rocks first, then with water on the rocks, then just on the rocks, then straight, and in no time you'll realize there ain't too many things in the world better than Jack.

It's a Rite of Passage in Tennessee.

Yeah, i think I drank it as fast as i do Vodka. I found out the hard way without working my way up like you said.

What type of rocks should I use?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Yeah, i think I drank it as fast as i do Vodka. I found out the hard way without working my way up like you said.

What type of rocks should I use?

i am waiting for stack the thread police to come and issue you guys a ticket.....lol

hey stack,  do you only pick things you don't like ?

nah,  that can't be true

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

science is a dizzying sport,  and cannot be trusted for your personal zip code in eternity.

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

now THAT'S a fact.

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

what "time" it takes to measure something isn't equal to it's ability to create itself,   your just stuck at how fast it travels

God said He created the light instantaneously,  and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway. 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

that's intellectual / spiritual suicide.

if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

he made you,  even with your mouth running 186,001 miles a second,  didn't He ?

"billions of years" is hogwash.    science that favors ditching God manufactured that lie. 

go ahead,  trust the anti God scienterrific community for the "facts" when explaining things involving eternity,  and see how far you get. 

you won't get "God",  and didn't you just tell the board that's who you are looking for?

you keep saying one thing,  and spitting out reasons not to.

there is far more going on than a stint in rehab near area 51  to your conscience around.

there are "geologists" in eternity

God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

 

You see, you keep inferring God into the picture as If it was 100% true. So because you wrote it in a public forum doesn't make it true.

 

 

 

if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

 

You're right... But only If a God exists.

So he's well aware that in the future that scientists would scratch their heads in wonder on how galaxies are billions of light years old, but according to the Bible it's only a few thousand years old, thus purposely confusin his creation, fooling him....why?...Does this even make any sense to you? Let's create man and then send him curve balls so hard that his head is gonna spin for eternity. Yeah, that sounds like a plan !

LOONEY TUNES MAN !

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

Yeah, i think I drank it as fast as i do Vodka. I found out the hard way without working my way up like you said.

What type of rocks should I use?

Cleveland.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

visiondude

There's kind of a lull at the moment, so...

Have a question for you.  No agenda, just wondering your take on the France thingy.  Because I just can't see a meaning.  Lots of things just come and go without meaning.  You can have a car that starts everyday for 3 yrs and then all of a sudden it doesn't start - I can't see how that would be a "God" induced plan.

It's been 3 years.  Suppose you wake up tomorrow and the day ends with no France.  What does that mean or prove (to you)?  Say France shows up the next day and continues for a long time.  What do you do about that one day without France?

Or say it becomes sporadic, what would that mean (to you)?

I already know what the whole France thing is all about.

Just tap your heels three times and close your eyes really tight...lol

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Cleveland.

Ian Hunter was a genius.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 22, 2011

visiondude

There's kind of a lull at the moment, so...

Have a question for you.  No agenda, just wondering your take on the France thingy.  Because I just can't see a meaning.  Lots of things just come and go without meaning.  You can have a car that starts everyday for 3 yrs and then all of a sudden it doesn't start - I can't see how that would be a "God" induced plan.

It's been 3 years.  Suppose you wake up tomorrow and the day ends with no France.  What does that mean or prove (to you)?  Say France shows up the next day and continues for a long time.  What do you do about that one day without France?

Or say it becomes sporadic, what would that mean (to you)?

this isn't the first time stuff like this has happened to me,  aand in every instance,  it has come to pass.

the difference in this is it isn't specific as far as God has not told me definitively what it is about.

i have a suspicion what it is,  and i can prove that. 

i blocked out a couple of things on my first journal entry of aug 2008 that contianed information of what i think it might be.

sometimes God is specific,  like he was in the other times He told me He was going to do something,  and then did it.

this time He is purposefully vague,  and that is 100% congruent with Gods decisin making at times,  preferring that He tells us only "so much",  so that we will trust Him for the rest.

it's like an insurance policy that God takes out on us.   telling us "just enough" so that insures a tight bond for the duration of the event.

if He told me all i needed to know now (what it is),   maybe i wouldn't place as much emphasis on it via anticipation.

been a Christian for 30+ years,  and i know and trust whatever "methodology" God decides to deal out the cards.

it will stop someday,  and when it does,  i am good with the reason all up and down the scale.

who knows if He did it just for my benefit?

the longer i live,  the more i know about why God chooses to do the things the way He chooses to do them,  the more i realize He does things in and around my life that sometimes aren't for my benefit.

let's say it stops tomorrow (because today it's already happened),  just the observance of the fact that it did happen by anyone watching,  they would have to reconcile how that could happen, and make it decision as to it's origin.

it is possible it is not for me,  but thru me. 

i happen to think i will be the benefactor of it,  and others peripherally will be encouraged in their walk with God via the observance thereof.

all my responsibility is to do my part,  whatever that is for the moment,  and i am.

when the times comes,  and it is about me,  i will do that.

remember,  what i "think" it is,  is archived in my aug 2008.   that part IS a guess.

that would be really weird if it went for 3 years,  stopped one day,  then started again.

that would cause an "uh hum" moment,  and i would naturally wonder why,  but i don't concern myself with killing myself in the pursuit of always having to know why. 

 i won't.   no one always does.  somewhere God is being God and won't give an explnantion as to "why".

maybe that "why" is apparent to me,  but meant something to someone else.

what affords me fluidity in these situations is not blind stupidity "faith",  but one that trusts no matter what.

i am perfectly ensconced with what i do know,  and perfectly fine with what i don't know

as of this conversation,  my sig flag is still flying at full staff

as much as i know God,  as thrilled as i am about being a part of this,  i am still human,  and i want to know myself.

joker17

I put off playing guitar tonight. I have a few videos of me playing, so I'll watch them later. It works just as well.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

I put off playing guitar tonight. I have a few videos of me playing, so I'll watch them later. It works just as well.

Do you have a mirror set up so you can watch yourself watching yourself?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

this isn't the first time stuff like this has happened to me,  aand in every instance,  it has come to pass.

the difference in this is it isn't specific as far as God has not told me definitively what it is about.

i have a suspicion what it is,  and i can prove that. 

i blocked out a couple of things on my first journal entry of aug 2008 that contianed information of what i think it might be.

sometimes God is specific,  like he was in the other times He told me He was going to do something,  and then did it.

this time He is purposefully vague,  and that is 100% congruent with Gods decisin making at times,  preferring that He tells us only "so much",  so that we will trust Him for the rest.

it's like an insurance policy that God takes out on us.   telling us "just enough" so that insures a tight bond for the duration of the event.

if He told me all i needed to know now (what it is),   maybe i wouldn't place as much emphasis on it via anticipation.

been a Christian for 30+ years,  and i know and trust whatever "methodology" God decides to deal out the cards.

it will stop someday,  and when it does,  i am good with the reason all up and down the scale.

who knows if He did it just for my benefit?

the longer i live,  the more i know about why God chooses to do the things the way He chooses to do them,  the more i realize He does things in and around my life that sometimes aren't for my benefit.

let's say it stops tomorrow (because today it's already happened),  just the observance of the fact that it did happen by anyone watching,  they would have to reconcile how that could happen, and make it decision as to it's origin.

it is possible it is not for me,  but thru me. 

i happen to think i will be the benefactor of it,  and others peripherally will be encouraged in their walk with God via the observance thereof.

all my responsibility is to do my part,  whatever that is for the moment,  and i am.

when the times comes,  and it is about me,  i will do that.

remember,  what i "think" it is,  is archived in my aug 2008.   that part IS a guess.

that would be really weird if it went for 3 years,  stopped one day,  then started again.

that would cause an "uh hum" moment,  and i would naturally wonder why,  but i don't concern myself with killing myself in the pursuit of always having to know why. 

 i won't.   no one always does.  somewhere God is being God and won't give an explnantion as to "why".

maybe that "why" is apparent to me,  but meant something to someone else.

what affords me fluidity in these situations is not blind stupidity "faith",  but one that trusts no matter what.

i am perfectly ensconced with what i do know,  and perfectly fine with what i don't know

as of this conversation,  my sig flag is still flying at full staff

as much as i know God,  as thrilled as i am about being a part of this,  i am still human,  and i want to know myself.

OK, I was just curious. Nothing more.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 22, 2011

God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

 

You see, you keep inferring God into the picture as If it was 100% true. So because you wrote it in a public forum doesn't make it true.

 

 

 

if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

 

You're right... But only If a God exists.

So he's well aware that in the future that scientists would scratch their heads in wonder on how galaxies are billions of light years old, but according to the Bible it's only a few thousand years old, thus purposely confusin his creation, fooling him....why?...Does this even make any sense to you? Let's create man and then send him curve balls so hard that his head is gonna spin for eternity. Yeah, that sounds like a plan !

LOONEY TUNES MAN !

sure it does,  has nothing to do whatsoever with "confusion".

you keep running to science as a "fact giver",  not ever weighing the God side of things.

if you can't admit that most scientists ditch God purposefully out of the equation,  and therefore are agenda inclined to distance themselves from creationism possumbility,  then you can't be trusted for all things factually weighed.

true science can only be weighed sans agenda.       let the true facts fall where they may,  see where the dust settles

there is no hard evidence the worlds "billions of years old",   that's pure scientific hypothesis with no concrete (pun intended) evidence.

a guess

and even more important that it's nothing BUT  a guess,  the "guess" keeps changing.

facts don't "change" joker,  and science can't even agree on a ballpark guess, let alone an exact figure.

ask one scientist,  and he throws out the largest number that will insure him a guest spot on scientific american

ask another one,  and if his ego surpasses joe rockhead,  he will tack on another billion for kicks and giggles.

shoot,   all you need to know is these "scientific geniouses" are good at,  is to keep punching thier addition button on their calcuhaters.

i know you can't think straight,  so this next fact about "science" isn't for you,  but doesn't it even make you consider throwing your scienterrific american collection away in favor of provable biblical history,  when "science" first threw out thier "guesses" in the millions column,  and now it's grown into the "billions"

 

that in and of itself is an intellectual joke. 

 it's millions.   no,  it's BILLIONS.    we must be just around the corner from godzillababillions

"guesses" aren't facts,   and "guesses" are responsible for confusion Crazy

between the two,  creationism is more trustworthy just because the "facts" never evolve or change.

creationism "dating" on the other hand has remained  steady throughout the recordation of their history

 

once again you tell everyone you want to know God,  but then you turn around and your always next move is to "explain" God right out of the equation.    it's a crock you want to know Him

 

God will throw "curveballs" at humanity at times for sure.

i think it's an awesome attribute that He does,  to teach people their own stupidity at mocking Him

the monkey.   man was that ever an ingenious "curveball"

so many people still act like one,  it really blurs the line sometimes

well,  that and purple pumperknickle pageant donkeys 

 

just cuz some god-hating dweeb in the middle of the desert in the midst of heat exhaustion picks up a multi layered rock, and  wants to eclipse his buddies in dorm room 104,   doesn't mean it's "true".

you just run to it,  and make it true,  because it ditches God out of the equation

i just kicked rocks over your science.   just moving 100 years in either direction constitues a guess.

moving from millions to billions without conscience shows they are lying

you trust something that's ever evolving and changing,   and i am too smart to EVER trust that.

especially as it pertains to things with an eternal weight attached to it

quite frankly,  i could CARE LESS how old the earth is,  because i KNOW who created it

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

It makes sense to me really, that someone whose judgement is so bad that he would drink Heineken and think it's good beer, would believe that his Great Great Great Great Great Great Papaw was a monkey. And sadly, exclusively in his own case, I think he may be right.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Gee, I think this thread increased by 9 pages yesterday, June 22nd.

46 pages, when is it going to be Miller time?

 

Anyone recognize this smilie?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

what happened to joker.

after i made the austin powers reminiscent "leap" from  *millions*     to  billions,  he left the science lab.

you can't even begin to hope that heineken could fill in that wide of an explanation gap...

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

Done your homework?

What, you read some books?

And you believe them?

Where's the proof?

What about the carbon dating?

What about the galaxies and the light years?

 

 

I think your head is lined up with Uranus.

rdgrnr

I can't get past the chicken or the egg paradox,  but I like my eggs over easy and my chicken

soaked in bourbon. 

RL

time*treat's avatartime*treat

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 23, 2011

Gee, I think this thread increased by 9 pages yesterday, June 22nd.

46 pages, when is it going to be Miller time?

 

Anyone recognize this smilie?

Yeah, I've seen more useful ones closed hundreds of replies sooner. Roll Eyes

I wonder if this one is being used to illustrate some sort of point -- like those before and after meth ads.

CARBOB

Does anyone think , maybe this person was not really an "atheist", to begin with????

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Jun 23, 2011

Yeah, I've seen more useful ones closed hundreds of replies sooner. Roll Eyes

I wonder if this one is being used to illustrate some sort of point -- like those before and after meth ads.

This one must be waiting for the hand of God to close it - it will be the final proof for all non-believers!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 23, 2011

rdgrnr

I can't get past the chicken or the egg paradox,  but I like my eggs over easy and my chicken

soaked in bourbon. 

RL

Sounds like my kinda breakfast, brother!  Thumbs Up

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by CARBOB on Jun 23, 2011

Does anyone think , maybe this person was not really an "atheist", to begin with????

You're probably right CARBOB.

What better way for him to get his 15 minutes of fame?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 23, 2011

This one must be waiting for the hand of God to close it - it will be the final proof for all non-believers!

I hope I don't make you cry again Princess, but let's face it, your agenda is clear.

Being a typical lib and atheist, you want any opposing viewpoints censored and any voices of opposition muzzled.

The only side you want heard is yours.

You've already made that exceedingly clear.

Let's not kid each other.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Jun 23, 2011

Yeah, I've seen more useful ones closed hundreds of replies sooner. Roll Eyes

I wonder if this one is being used to illustrate some sort of point -- like those before and after meth ads.

What I wonder is why you keep reading it if it bothers you so much that you want it locked down.   Crazy

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

I hope I don't make you cry again Princess, but let's face it, your agenda is clear.

Being a typical lib and atheist, you want any opposing viewpoints censored and any voices of opposition muzzled.

The only side you want heard is yours.

You've already made that exceedingly clear.

Let's not kid each other.

You must be under the influence of Jack already - don't read my posts if they bother you.

You definitely are wrong about your conclusions of what I post.  Time and time again!  You are the only one bullying everyone else - I think THE ONLY SIDE YOU WANT HEARD IS YOURS!

To his credit not even visiondude is as offensive as your remarks. 

Even when you are corrected you continue to post lies about people.   Stop blowing these things out your azz and actually read what people post.  I suppose you think people will believe the crap you post if you repeat it long enough?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 23, 2011

You must be under the influence of Jack already - don't read my posts if they bother you.

You definitely are wrong about your conclusions of what I post.  Time and time again!  You are the only one bullying everyone else - I think THE ONLY SIDE YOU WANT HEARD IS YOURS!

To his credit not even visiondude is as offensive as your remarks. 

Even when you are corrected you continue to post lies about people.   Stop blowing these things out your azz and actually read what people post.  I suppose you think people will believe the crap you post if you repeat it long enough?

Check yourself leopard - your spots are showing.

Who is it that wants to shut people up?

Me or you?

And please don't cry, you'll ruin your Mascara.

time*treat's avatartime*treat

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

What I wonder is why you keep reading it if it bothers you so much that you want it locked down.   Crazy

Not claiming to want it locked, just noting its longevity.

JAP69's avatarJAP69

Debating religion is like debating politics.

I will continue on forever.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by JAP69 on Jun 23, 2011

Debating religion is like debating politics.

I will continue on forever.

not "forever"

inevitably speaking,  at some point it will end,  and individually speaking,  it most assuredly will end Wink

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

It makes sense to me really, that someone whose judgement is so bad that he would drink Heineken and think it's good beer, would believe that his Great Great Great Great Great Great Papaw was a monkey. And sadly, exclusively in his own case, I think he may be right.

I actually believe that aliens grafted their DNA with apes a long time a go, and that's how humans came to be.

It's not coincidence that we share 98% of genes with chimps.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

What I wonder is why you keep reading it if it bothers you so much that you want it locked down.   Crazy

i was reading from the last post backwards,  and i was just about to say the same thing.

people "whine" about content, longevity,  whatever, but read every last post in the thread.

redic

if it's so "offensive" on whatever level,  why do they read all of it then ?

truth is,  unless there is "God" mentioned in the thread,  not one of these people ever complain in the same fashion in any other thread,  no matter how long it goes on,  no matter how off topic it goes.

they never say a word

in here,  they abhor the content,  so they take a swipe at it,  while reading every bit of it.

that makes total sense

(laughing)

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

I actually believe that aliens grafted their DNA with apes a long time a go, and that's how humans came to be.

It's not coincidence that we share 98% of genes with chimps.

i would ask you for "hard evidence" on that one,  but knowing how your mind works,  and your proclivity for posting out of this world vid's,  you would go find a photoshopped vid of an alien humping a monkey,  and call that "proof"

look,  you can't drink enough heinekens to convince the guard at area 51 to do a DNA test on their rubber alien,  so you have no way of fleshing out your out of this world (literally) hypothesis.

plenty of zoo's across america to cull a good specimen of a monkey for DNA though,  but your missing a link

 

so,  you demand "proof" all the time.

no comment on the i gotcha moment i provided with "science" moving from millions to billions?

you whined and complained (and lied) to the board i wouldn't answer your question,  and now that i kicked a hundred year old dirt over it,  all of a sudden you have nothing to say?

this is what i mean,  you just spray. 

i have to go to work,  so make sure you handle stuff you start,  and finish off my truth about guessing "science"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

I actually believe that aliens grafted their DNA with apes a long time a go, and that's how humans came to be.

It's not coincidence that we share 98% of genes with chimps.

"It's not coincidence that we share 98% of genes with chimps".

 like i said,  God did it on purpose.

His little "curveball" to fat headed mankind

genious

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

i would ask you for "hard evidence" on that one,  but knowing how your mind works,  and your proclivity for posting out of this world vid's,  you would go find a photoshopped vid of an alien humping a monkey,  and call that "proof"

look,  you can't drink enough heinekens to convince the guard at area 51 to do a DNA test on their rubber alien,  so you have no way of fleshing out your out of this world (literally) hypothesis.

plenty of zoo's across america to cull a good specimen of a monkey for DNA though,  but your missing a link

 

so,  you demand "proof" all the time.

no comment on the i gotcha moment i provided with "science" moving from millions to billions?

you whined and complained (and lied) to the board i wouldn't answer your question,  and now that i kicked a hundred year old dirt over it,  all of a sudden you have nothing to say?

this is what i mean,  you just spray. 

i have to go to work,  so make sure you handle stuff you start,  and finish off my truth about guessing "science"

All I can say is that you're cluless about science. I'm not gonna repeat everything I write. Re-read it and it may soak in, but I highly doubt it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

"It's not coincidence that we share 98% of genes with chimps".

 like i said,  God did it on purpose.

His little "curveball" to fat headed mankind

genious

Of course God did it. How do I know this?...because Vision said so. So it must be true....Lunatics are everywhere...

joker17

Humans being an alien hybrid is just my opinion. Not everything I write on LP is a fact. But when I specifically write fact, then you know. But I do have opinions about certain things based on info I've learned, which you won't accept anyways, so why bother?

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by CARBOB on Jun 23, 2011

Does anyone think , maybe this person was not really an "atheist", to begin with????

Or he made up the story after his Mother won $1 million.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 22, 2011

science is a dizzying sport,  and cannot be trusted for your personal zip code in eternity.

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

now THAT'S a fact.

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

what "time" it takes to measure something isn't equal to it's ability to create itself,   your just stuck at how fast it travels

God said He created the light instantaneously,  and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway. 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

that's intellectual / spiritual suicide.

if there is a God,  creating light,  and assigning it a speed limit of 186,000 miles a second is childs play to Him

he made you,  even with your mouth running 186,001 miles a second,  didn't He ?

"billions of years" is hogwash.    science that favors ditching God manufactured that lie. 

go ahead,  trust the anti God scienterrific community for the "facts" when explaining things involving eternity,  and see how far you get. 

you won't get "God",  and didn't you just tell the board that's who you are looking for?

you keep saying one thing,  and spitting out reasons not to.

there is far more going on than a stint in rehab near area 51  to your conscience around.

there are "geologists" in eternity

science is a dizzying sport,

 

To you it must be because it requires critical thinking, which you lack greatly.

 

 

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

 

This proves what I wrote earlier. The fact you don't know squat about what science is. If you had a clue you'd realize that the whole purpose of science is to upgrade with new knowledge found. It's designed to improve when more FACTS are learned about whatever subject is at hand. The word "science' means 'The study of", so it's always breaking new ground. 

Everytime you write stuff here you make yourself dumber and dumber. Stop it before you make it worse than it is.

 

 

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

Oh really, so I guess every technoloical improvement that affects your daily life is just by pure luck and lucky guesses? You are so full of crap it literraly stinks in here. Only a moron would say something like that.

Your television, washing machine, stove, electric razor, computer, dishwasher, shuttle launch, and every other contraption in your house or car was derived from science.

I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second? Even though it's been proven in a lab, and they've also been able to slow down light to 24 miles per hour. I guess it's only a lucky geuss that we know for a FACT that it takes 8 and half minutes for light to reach the earth from the sun?

I guess it's only a lucky guess that Jarvick produced a mechanical heart so people can live longer?

I'm just curious what you'd say If God forbid something bad would happen to you and your lying in the emergency room while a doctor uses an intrument designed by scientists to have life saving surgery done on you.

Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform. What a load of crap Vision. Get with the program.

 

 

 

God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

 

 

Yup...that's right. because it was written in a book by different authors thousands of years ago, it must be true. Bunch of old fools who didn't have a clue about their world making things up to control the masses.

Like i said earlier, you have ABSOLUTELY no critical thinking capabilities whatsoever. You rely everything realted to the universe on a book despite hundreds of thousands of individual evidence parts showing it to be wrong.

You don't give two hoots about evidence because even when it's presented, you use convoluted logic to explain it away. That's what happens to be people who are brainwashed like you are. They're so entrenched in their belief system even though there's not one shred of proof, that they discount everything else. It'll shatter their precious little comfort zone. Too bad so many people in this earth still need a teddy bear or a safety blanket to hold on to. What a shame. A bunch of backward mentality humans still believe in old wives tales. SHAME SHAME SHAME....!

 

 

 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

 

I see, so this is how you judge a person. tells a lot about a lame human like you. So because he used to be able to walk when he was younger and then aquired a disease, makes him not worthy of his brain power? You are such a fool.

Hawking has more intelligence and cpacity than you and I will ever dream of. And If I compared him to you, which you shouldn't be allowed the privilege of saying his name, he has more brain power in his snot than you have in your entire brain, which is dysfunctional at best. What nerve, picking on a guy because of a disease he has no control over. You ar a sick and twisted individual.

 

 

 

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

 

More unfounded claims that you can't backup. God did this and God did that, as If you know for sure. DELUSIONAL....

 

Maybe you should read some books other than the Bible. It's rotting your brain very quickly.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

science is a dizzying sport,

 

To you it must be because it requires critical thinking, which you lack greatly.

 

 

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

 

This proves what I wrote earlier. The fact you don't know squat about what science is. If you had a clue you'd realize that the whole purpose of science is to upgrade with new knowledge found. It's designed to improve when more FACTS are learned about whatever subject is at hand. The word "science' means 'The study of", so it's always breaking new ground. 

Everytime you write stuff here you make yourself dumber and dumber. Stop it before you make it worse than it is.

 

 

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

Oh really, so I guess every technoloical improvement that affects your daily life is just by pure luck and lucky guesses? You are so full of crap it literraly stinks in here. Only a moron would say something like that.

Your television, washing machine, stove, electric razor, computer, dishwasher, shuttle launch, and every other contraption in your house or car was derived from science.

I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second? Even though it's been proven in a lab, and they've also been able to slow down light to 24 miles per hour. I guess it's only a lucky geuss that we know for a FACT that it takes 8 and half minutes for light to reach the earth from the sun?

I guess it's only a lucky guess that Jarvick produced a mechanical heart so people can live longer?

I'm just curious what you'd say If God forbid something bad would happen to you and your lying in the emergency room while a doctor uses an intrument designed by scientists to have life saving surgery done on you.

Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform. What a load of crap Vision. Get with the program.

 

 

 

God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

 

 

Yup...that's right. because it was written in a book by different authors thousands of years ago, it must be true. Bunch of old fools who didn't have a clue about their world making things up to control the masses.

Like i said earlier, you have ABSOLUTELY no critical thinking capabilities whatsoever. You rely everything realted to the universe on a book despite hundreds of thousands of individual evidence parts showing it to be wrong.

You don't give two hoots about evidence because even when it's presented, you use convoluted logic to explain it away. That's what happens to be people who are brainwashed like you are. They're so entrenched in their belief system even though there's not one shred of proof, that they discount everything else. It'll shatter their precious little comfort zone. Too bad so many people in this earth still need a teddy bear or a safety blanket to hold on to. What a shame. A bunch of backward mentality humans still believe in old wives tales. SHAME SHAME SHAME....!

 

 

 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

 

I see, so this is how you judge a person. tells a lot about a lame human like you. So because he used to be able to walk when he was younger and then aquired a disease, makes him not worthy of his brain power? You are such a fool.

Hawking has more intelligence and cpacity than you and I will ever dream of. And If I compared him to you, which you shouldn't be allowed the privilege of saying his name, he has more brain power in his snot than you have in your entire brain, which is dysfunctional at best. What nerve, picking on a guy because of a disease he has no control over. You ar a sick and twisted individual.

 

 

 

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

 

More unfounded claims that you can't backup. God did this and God did that, as If you know for sure. DELUSIONAL....

 

Maybe you should read some books other than the Bible. It's rotting your brain very quickly.

"I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second?  "

When the Hubble telescope made it's "Deep Field" look into a speck-sized spot in the sky, it's a magnification of 1500 galaxies that are there right now. The people writing Genesis had no idea of what was beyond the stars they saw in the night sky and there still are people today that can't comprehend it was from the perception of people living thousands of years before the telescope was even thought of.

Distance to them was how many days it took to walk or ride a donkey cart to the nearest town.

Today scientist and astronomers can estimate distances in space by using the speed of light and because they know how long it takes light to travel from point A to point B, they know the light they are seeing was generated in the past. To get a better idea of the distance in space, Voyager I was launched on September 5, 1977 and after 33 years and 9 months is just now leaving our Solar System and entering Interstellar space. The speed of the craft is 38,160 MPH and at that speed it will take 14,000 years to travel one light year and over 76,000 years to reach our closest neighboring star. Voyager is now approximately 10,788,000,000 miles from Earth 

"Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform."

Not all Christians believe the Earth and Universe were created just 8000 years ago and they don't waste their time debating those who do believe it.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 23, 2011

"I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second?  "

When the Hubble telescope made it's "Deep Field" look into a speck-sized spot in the sky, it's a magnification of 1500 galaxies that are there right now. The people writing Genesis had no idea of what was beyond the stars they saw in the night sky and there still are people today that can't comprehend it was from the perception of people living thousands of years before the telescope was even thought of.

Distance to them was how many days it took to walk or ride a donkey cart to the nearest town.

Today scientist and astronomers can estimate distances in space by using the speed of light and because they know how long it takes light to travel from point A to point B, they know the light they are seeing was generated in the past. To get a better idea of the distance in space, Voyager I was launched on September 5, 1977 and after 33 years and 9 months is just now leaving our Solar System and entering Interstellar space. The speed of the craft is 38,160 MPH and at that speed it will take 14,000 years to travel one light year and over 76,000 years to reach our closest neighboring star. Voyager is now approximately 10,788,000,000 miles from Earth 

"Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform."

Not all Christians believe the Earth and Universe were created just 8000 years ago and they don't waste their time debating those who do believe it.

I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second? "

When the Hubble telescope made it's "Deep Field" look into a speck-sized spot in the sky, it's a magnification of 1500 galaxies that are there right now. The people writing Genesis had no idea of what was beyond the stars they saw in the night sky and there still are people today that can't comprehend it was from the perception of people living thousands of years before the telescope was even thought of.

Distance to them was how many days it took to walk or ride a donkey cart to the nearest town.

Today scientist and astronomers can estimate distances in space by using the speed of light and because they know how long it takes light to travel from point A to point B, they know the light they are seeing was generated in the past. To get a better idea of the distance in space, Voyager I was launched on September 5, 1977 and after 33 years and 9 months is just now leaving our Solar System and entering Interstellar space. The speed of the craft is 38,160 MPH and at that speed it will take 14,000 years to travel one light year and over 76,000 years to reach our closest neighboring star. Voyager is now approximately 10,788,000,000 miles from Earth

 

 

 

Thanx for the info, but I already know this. Hopefully Vision will put his glasses on and read this. But of course he'll just say that the scientists are making all that up.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 22, 2011

It makes sense to me really, that someone whose judgement is so bad that he would drink Heineken and think it's good beer, would believe that his Great Great Great Great Great Great Papaw was a monkey. And sadly, exclusively in his own case, I think he may be right.

I really hoped that someone else would correct your repeated error but when you said, "...someone...would believe that his Great Great Great Great Great Great Papaw was a monkey," I couldn't wait any longer.

"Monkeys" are contemporary to humans, living right alongside of us.  They are NOT our ancestors!  What [maybe not you but] we know from the evidence of evolution is that humans and monkeys have a

COMMON ANCESTOR.

Got it?

four4me

folks read a few paragraphs

The Journey of Man:
A Genetic Odyssey
Spencer Wells

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

does anyone else think it's funny that stack complained about this thread and now he's commenting in it ?

like I don't mind, don't talk trash, and try and shut something down,  and then your hypocritical about it,  and  you add your .03 to it when it suits you.

he isn't the only one that plays these integrity slippages in these threads

Only when it suits them....

time*treat's avatartime*treat

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 23, 2011

folks read a few paragraphs

The Journey of Man:
A Genetic Odyssey
Spencer Wells

Now, if I could just get my ~7 billion cousins to spot me about $10 bucks for a couple weeks. Clown

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 23, 2011

I really hoped that someone else would correct your repeated error but when you said, "...someone...would believe that his Great Great Great Great Great Great Papaw was a monkey," I couldn't wait any longer.

"Monkeys" are contemporary to humans, living right alongside of us.  They are NOT our ancestors!  What [maybe not you but] we know from the evidence of evolution is that humans and monkeys have a

COMMON ANCESTOR.

Got it?

LOL Oh, Nancy, Nancy, Nancy... What am I gonna do with you? You should really stick with decorating tips and stuff like that. Didn't you read what your leader said? He said his little green spacemen came down here in their spaceship and mixed with the monkeys and that's how you, him and truecricket came to be! He's gonna be mad at you now for saying he's a big dummy!

I love the way you crackpots want proof for everything in the Bible but when it comes to the nonsense of evolution you have no need for it whatsoever. There would need to be far more miracles performed for evolution to have taken place than those you mock in the Bible. Where's the missing link, Nancy? Without that the whole theory is a hoax, a fraud and a scam!

But you believe it anyway.

Why?

Because you want it to be true.

You want oh so desperately for it to be true. 

 

But more importantly, Nancy, you've created a schism in your ranks.

You have gone against your leader.

If he says you and he and truecricket are monkeys, then you are monkeys!

You're a bad monkey, Nancy! Bad! No No

No banana for you, Nancy!

four4me
he isn't the only one that plays these integrity slippages in these threads
I resemble that remark
 
I put Spencer Wells journey of man in a couple of these turned around Jesus freak threads and got no response from you.
 
 
So are you thinking/saying the science of DNA is a lie too.
visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

science is a dizzying sport,

 

To you it must be because it requires critical thinking, which you lack greatly.

 

 

science changes more then the depends dispenser at an old folks home.

 

This proves what I wrote earlier. The fact you don't know squat about what science is. If you had a clue you'd realize that the whole purpose of science is to upgrade with new knowledge found. It's designed to improve when more FACTS are learned about whatever subject is at hand. The word "science' means 'The study of", so it's always breaking new ground. 

Everytime you write stuff here you make yourself dumber and dumber. Stop it before you make it worse than it is.

 

 

science is an ever evolving guess,  and nothing more

Oh really, so I guess every technoloical improvement that affects your daily life is just by pure luck and lucky guesses? You are so full of crap it literraly stinks in here. Only a moron would say something like that.

Your television, washing machine, stove, electric razor, computer, dishwasher, shuttle launch, and every other contraption in your house or car was derived from science.

I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second? Even though it's been proven in a lab, and they've also been able to slow down light to 24 miles per hour. I guess it's only a lucky geuss that we know for a FACT that it takes 8 and half minutes for light to reach the earth from the sun?

I guess it's only a lucky guess that Jarvick produced a mechanical heart so people can live longer?

I'm just curious what you'd say If God forbid something bad would happen to you and your lying in the emergency room while a doctor uses an intrument designed by scientists to have life saving surgery done on you.

Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform. What a load of crap Vision. Get with the program.

 

 

 

God said He created the light instantaneously, and "physics" was non existent before that magic show anyway.

 

 

Yup...that's right. because it was written in a book by different authors thousands of years ago, it must be true. Bunch of old fools who didn't have a clue about their world making things up to control the masses.

Like i said earlier, you have ABSOLUTELY no critical thinking capabilities whatsoever. You rely everything realted to the universe on a book despite hundreds of thousands of individual evidence parts showing it to be wrong.

You don't give two hoots about evidence because even when it's presented, you use convoluted logic to explain it away. That's what happens to be people who are brainwashed like you are. They're so entrenched in their belief system even though there's not one shred of proof, that they discount everything else. It'll shatter their precious little comfort zone. Too bad so many people in this earth still need a teddy bear or a safety blanket to hold on to. What a shame. A bunch of backward mentality humans still believe in old wives tales. SHAME SHAME SHAME....!

 

 

 

you act like God is stephan hawking,  and vice versa.

stephan hawking can't even walk,  let alone speak the world into existence.

 

I see, so this is how you judge a person. tells a lot about a lame human like you. So because he used to be able to walk when he was younger and then aquired a disease, makes him not worthy of his brain power? You are such a fool.

Hawking has more intelligence and cpacity than you and I will ever dream of. And If I compared him to you, which you shouldn't be allowed the privilege of saying his name, he has more brain power in his snot than you have in your entire brain, which is dysfunctional at best. What nerve, picking on a guy because of a disease he has no control over. You ar a sick and twisted individual.

 

 

 

it's a rediculous notion that God has only "limited capabilities" based solely around what the human mind can grasp.

 

More unfounded claims that you can't backup. God did this and God did that, as If you know for sure. DELUSIONAL....

 

Maybe you should read some books other than the Bible. It's rotting your brain very quickly.

instaed of highlighting every sentence of yours, i will address the high notes,  or the "low notes" via true history.

"critical thinking' demands i pick facts over wishful thinking agenda driven "facts",  and what i said about the aspect of science we were talking about,  was true. 

as usual,  you <snip>ized what i did mean,  and turned into something completely ugly.

of course the biblical record favors science.

science is awesome,  and "science" HAS gifted humanity with many an advantageous commodity.

but what you opened with is NOT "truth",  it's ever changing / evolving fiction based in agenda and sold to who will ever but it as "truth".   

in this arena of science,  scientists who dis-favor creationism NEVER say that thier findings are "in flux",  it's "not an exact science",  "it's a ballpark estimate",  on and on and on.   those guy ALWAYS sell it as "fact",  and that's agenda based garbage.

go ahead,  and trust people who willfully lie because the WANT it to be true,  but no one can escape that "millions to billions" leap these guys make without a conscience.

you know what you never witness?   these scienterrifics going backward in their time estimates.

why?   because the more time you tact on,  the further you disatnce yourself from creationism,  and the more street cred among the fabricators your are adorned with.

it's a joke.   a lying joke,   and no one can defend the fluxuation component in this aspect of science.

these guys stretch armstrong true science until stretch cannot stretch any longer.

oh wait,  i take that back.   how long before these giants of integrity say the earth is trillions of years old?

you owe me a beer when that happens  (i drink about 4 a year).    make it newcastle,  thank you very much;

 

i love science,  and the biblical record loves science,  and it's validity can be aquired by science.

what i cannot stand is trying to take the leap of faith from the "science" of my Ipod, to the world being BILLIONS of years old.

that "science" is a straight up lie

 

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visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 23, 2011

he isn't the only one that plays these integrity slippages in these threads
I resemble that remark
 
I put Spencer Wells journey of man in a couple of these turned around Jesus freak threads and got no response from you.
 
 
So are you thinking/saying the science of DNA is a lie too.

first of all four,  you know i have respect for you,  but what i was alluding to is everyone has the equal right to post opposing opinions at LP,  it's just not cool when someone just comes on to complain about the content (just because it happens to irritate them),  and say it doesn't "belong",  and then proceeds to post things when they feel like it.

that part ain't cool

 

i am a "Jesus freak",  so yeah,  thanks.   that means i am living up to my job description :)

 

haven't gotten around to what you inserted,  but give me till later on tonight and i will get to it.

just don't go off about my rebuttal,  after you asked me to

Stack47

VD: "does anyone else think it's funny that stack complained about this thread and now he's commenting in it ?"

Yes I did comment this thread like every other thread VD gets involved in, goes way off topic though I didn't point a finger at him saying he is responsible. Nor did I ask or suggest that it be closed and it's useless asking him prove his lie because of his feeble grasp of the English language. It's painful enough reading some of VD's posts when other quote him to answer.

Since the topic has evolved into the missing link between apes and humans, eventually someone will point out the one poster whose grammar, lack of punctuation, sentence structure, nonsensical remarks, and spelling most likely resembles what should be expected by a human like ape and declare that is the necessary proof humans and apes had a common ancestor.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 23, 2011

VD: "does anyone else think it's funny that stack complained about this thread and now he's commenting in it ?"

Yes I did comment this thread like every other thread VD gets involved in, goes way off topic though I didn't point a finger at him saying he is responsible. Nor did I ask or suggest that it be closed and it's useless asking him prove his lie because of his feeble grasp of the English language. It's painful enough reading some of VD's posts when other quote him to answer.

Since the topic has evolved into the missing link between apes and humans, eventually someone will point out the one poster whose grammar, lack of punctuation, sentence structure, nonsensical remarks, and spelling most likely resembles what should be expected by a human like ape and declare that is the necessary proof humans and apes had a common ancestor.

Since the topic has evolved into the missing link between apes and humans, eventually someone will point out the one poster whose grammar, lack of punctuation, sentence structure, nonsensical remarks, and spelling most likely resembles what should be expected by a human like ape and declare that is the necessary proof humans and apes had a common ancestor.

 

There's your proof Ridge.....ahha ahha ahaaa aha ahha ah....Green laugh..aaha ahha ahha ah ROFL

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Go ahead Taylor, go out to the Forbidden Zone, but you may not like what you find.

- Dr Zaius, Planet of the Apes

________________________________________________________

Just goofing around top lighten things up, but I do wonder about opther non-lotto threads or threads that get so far off lottery topics are supposed to be blogged on page1 or 2 and this one has went on, and on and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.....................

Anyone remember a Bugs Bunny and Yosemite Sam cartoon........."Draw, no you draw....".

They stood in the street like the opening scen of Gunsmoke, and went through all the seasons............

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

LOL Oh, Nancy, Nancy, Nancy... What am I gonna do with you? You should really stick with decorating tips and stuff like that. Didn't you read what your leader said? He said his little green spacemen came down here in their spaceship and mixed with the monkeys and that's how you, him and truecricket came to be! He's gonna be mad at you now for saying he's a big dummy!

I love the way you crackpots want proof for everything in the Bible but when it comes to the nonsense of evolution you have no need for it whatsoever. There would need to be far more miracles performed for evolution to have taken place than those you mock in the Bible. Where's the missing link, Nancy? Without that the whole theory is a hoax, a fraud and a scam!

But you believe it anyway.

Why?

Because you want it to be true.

You want oh so desperately for it to be true. 

 

But more importantly, Nancy, you've created a schism in your ranks.

You have gone against your leader.

If he says you and he and truecricket are monkeys, then you are monkeys!

You're a bad monkey, Nancy! Bad! No No

No banana for you, Nancy!

They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time.

Your missing link question shows me how far behind you are. There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link. Maybe you should look up Lucy. There's your missing link. Maybe you should do some research about different sized skulls that were unearthed showing mutations that closely resemble skulls of apes.

Instead of burying your head into an old relic like the Bible, maybe you should get your head out of your butt and welcome yourself to the 21 century. HELLO!!!!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 23, 2011

"I guess it's only a guess that light travels 186,000 miles per second?  "

When the Hubble telescope made it's "Deep Field" look into a speck-sized spot in the sky, it's a magnification of 1500 galaxies that are there right now. The people writing Genesis had no idea of what was beyond the stars they saw in the night sky and there still are people today that can't comprehend it was from the perception of people living thousands of years before the telescope was even thought of.

Distance to them was how many days it took to walk or ride a donkey cart to the nearest town.

Today scientist and astronomers can estimate distances in space by using the speed of light and because they know how long it takes light to travel from point A to point B, they know the light they are seeing was generated in the past. To get a better idea of the distance in space, Voyager I was launched on September 5, 1977 and after 33 years and 9 months is just now leaving our Solar System and entering Interstellar space. The speed of the craft is 38,160 MPH and at that speed it will take 14,000 years to travel one light year and over 76,000 years to reach our closest neighboring star. Voyager is now approximately 10,788,000,000 miles from Earth 

"Like I said before, religious brainwashed humans will accept science when it benefits them, but will discount it conveniently for them when it doesn't meet their agenda platform."

Not all Christians believe the Earth and Universe were created just 8000 years ago and they don't waste their time debating those who do believe it.

i love science. 

science favors the biblical record,  and long before there was instrumentations for measurement,  God spoke thru His recorded word that there were galaxy's that man could never enumerate.

but besides some generic ballpark mention,  that doesn't really qualify anything,  He was specific about certain aspects that were yet to be discovered.

and yet,  he also spoke about specific aspects of it that only someone with personal knowledge of it could ever articulate about it,  and that was prior to science or instrumentation.

even the authors had no idea what they were describing.

only God can orchaestrate and predict the future.

only God could describe in detail His creation long before it was "discoverable".

you two seem to think i discount science, i don't.

i never disaggreed / disputed that light travels that fast.   i don't have a droid app (yet) that will measure it.

how fast light travels,  how "deep" our solar system or interstellar space is,  one things for sure,  science may be experiencing it,  but they sure didn't discover it.

that fact belongs to the biblical record,  as it eluded to that 1,000's of years ago.

 

awesome, simply awesome that God made space "that deep".

who knows,  might be another one of His curveballs,  instead of just the obvious,  that His design capabilities our beyond our total comprehension.

makes sense.  since some fools are so intent on explaining away God,  and using "space" as a means of the discovery of human origin,  what better scenario for a fool to chase a never ending "tail" by making something "infinite"?

"keep going guys,  it's out there sooooooooooooooMwhereeeeeeeeeeeeee"

some science is excellant.

but when science ditches the designer,  and attempts to metamorphasize into something it's not,  that's evil.

discovery is fantastic.    wishful thinking is never righteous,  and it can never become "good"

 

nice, joker now hides behind stack's skirt,  because he can't handle is own business after creating it

joker should send stack a gift certificate for a years worth a free cab fare,  and a 12 pack of heiniken

at least stack took a run at "hard evidence"

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time.

Your missing link question shows me how far behind you are. There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link. Maybe you should look up Lucy. There's your missing link. Maybe you should do some research about different sized skulls that were unearthed showing mutations that closely resemble skulls of apes.

Instead of burying your head into an old relic like the Bible, maybe you should get your head out of your butt and welcome yourself to the 21 century. HELLO!!!!

Lucille Ball is the missing link?

Listen joker, you evo-idiots have come up with so many supposed missing links through the years it's ridiculous. All scams and hoaxes to support the original hoax.

OF COURSE you want to say the missing link isn't necessary anymore due to the strides of science. Why? Because there is no missing link!

Why didn't you just stick with the Piltdown Man?

That was my favorite!

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 23, 2011

VD: "does anyone else think it's funny that stack complained about this thread and now he's commenting in it ?"

Yes I did comment this thread like every other thread VD gets involved in, goes way off topic though I didn't point a finger at him saying he is responsible. Nor did I ask or suggest that it be closed and it's useless asking him prove his lie because of his feeble grasp of the English language. It's painful enough reading some of VD's posts when other quote him to answer.

Since the topic has evolved into the missing link between apes and humans, eventually someone will point out the one poster whose grammar, lack of punctuation, sentence structure, nonsensical remarks, and spelling most likely resembles what should be expected by a human like ape and declare that is the necessary proof humans and apes had a common ancestor.

not directly stack because that's not your style.

men of substance come straight up.

not you though,  you do the side door / underhanded disco move.

and you really think anyone buys your "altruistic" innocent act?   really?

you threw wrenches at people for agenda sport,  big whoop

you didn't direct at me,  but it was only for contextual reasons you poked your head out behind the tree after hiding behind it for 40 pages.

cut the act.

if you wanna throw something up,  throw it up,  but when you play your agenda game,  i have pull out the flyswatter

"because of his feeble grasp of the English language"

 stack, your a weak little integrity ain't.

   you can read (and understand) everything i wrote,  but your such an honest gem of humanity,  you have to run to that as your excuse

it's gotta be one of the lamest arguements i have observed over the years at LP,  that just because trollers like you don't like what i write,  they lie that they "can't understand it"

yeah,   your a giant in the integrity of life

typical.   when someone meets their match,  and starts to sense they are getting it handed to,  out come the personal attacks.

nice "reality" you live in,  stack

evolution is working for you

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time.

Your missing link question shows me how far behind you are. There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link. Maybe you should look up Lucy. There's your missing link. Maybe you should do some research about different sized skulls that were unearthed showing mutations that closely resemble skulls of apes.

Instead of burying your head into an old relic like the Bible, maybe you should get your head out of your butt and welcome yourself to the 21 century. HELLO!!!!

Budweiser will mutate given enough time.

It turns into Heineken when it goes bad.

So maybe if we let it sit long enough it will turn into a mongoose or an anteater?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

instaed of highlighting every sentence of yours, i will address the high notes,  or the "low notes" via true history.

"critical thinking' demands i pick facts over wishful thinking agenda driven "facts",  and what i said about the aspect of science we were talking about,  was true. 

as usual,  you <snip>ized what i did mean,  and turned into something completely ugly.

of course the biblical record favors science.

science is awesome,  and "science" HAS gifted humanity with many an advantageous commodity.

but what you opened with is NOT "truth",  it's ever changing / evolving fiction based in agenda and sold to who will ever but it as "truth".   

in this arena of science,  scientists who dis-favor creationism NEVER say that thier findings are "in flux",  it's "not an exact science",  "it's a ballpark estimate",  on and on and on.   those guy ALWAYS sell it as "fact",  and that's agenda based garbage.

go ahead,  and trust people who willfully lie because the WANT it to be true,  but no one can escape that "millions to billions" leap these guys make without a conscience.

you know what you never witness?   these scienterrifics going backward in their time estimates.

why?   because the more time you tact on,  the further you disatnce yourself from creationism,  and the more street cred among the fabricators your are adorned with.

it's a joke.   a lying joke,   and no one can defend the fluxuation component in this aspect of science.

these guys stretch armstrong true science until stretch cannot stretch any longer.

oh wait,  i take that back.   how long before these giants of integrity say the earth is trillions of years old?

you owe me a beer when that happens  (i drink about 4 a year).    make it newcastle,  thank you very much;

 

i love science,  and the biblical record loves science,  and it's validity can be aquired by science.

what i cannot stand is trying to take the leap of faith from the "science" of my Ipod, to the world being BILLIONS of years old.

that "science" is a straight up lie

 

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Vision, you also need to get your head out of your butt.

There you go again. In your quote above, you wrote that science is awesome, but then in the same breath you write they have an agenda. How convenient.

Religious people are always asked this question. If there is a creator, then God must also have a creator. Unfortunatley for us poor skeptics, God doesn't have to have a creator according to the whacked out Christians because he's out of the realm of time and space. You people have an explanation for everything and nothiing to back it up. Not one shred of evidence. At least, even though science isn't perfect, it gives us a very good idea about our world with experiments, tests and a whole host of rigorous filters it mas pass to be accepted. Sure there's a lot of theories, but certain things have been PROVEN, which then leads to other breakthroughs.

Just look at what the Catholic church did to the men of science hundreds of years ago. Even now, the Catholic church is admitting there are some things in the Bible that are false. They finally woke up.

The funniest thing is, there are many many faith based videos on Youtube using science to back their claim....WHAT?

 

I can go on and on about the contradictions in the Bible, but you don't want to see them. Take the Flood story. It's flooded with holes. The world is billions of years old. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Earth was flooded 4000 years ago.  Every branch of science shows that the Earth is old and that there was no Flood. Chemistry, Physics, Meteorology, Zoology, Micro-biology, Genetics, Astronomy, Geology, Botany. They all provide evidence that a literal reading of the Bible is unwarranted. We can count the rings in a tree, and so on.....Not to mention that the story of the flood was more plagiarism from the Gilgamesh story.

You can't just dump a ton of water on the planet without harming the delicate eco balnce. Saltwater fish would die If fresh water was introduced. How did Noah get penguins and keep them cold enough to live? How did he get Kangaroos? Where did all the water go after the flood? How did a family of old aged folks build a craft the size of a football field with some fallen trees and no materials enough for the enormous task. How did he preserve the wood from rotting at one end considering the time it took? Today we build large ships out of iron for a good reason. The bigger the ship the more it becomes unstable in water.

There are so many other fallacies, my hand would go numb typing them, and it would take me 5 months to complete. You overlook all the videos I posted about the plagiarism and keep yapping your rediculous arguments. 

It's futile to even present evidence to you and Ridge the mountain guy who still harps about the missing link. Maybe he should look in the mirror. 

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

Lucille Ball is the missing link?

Listen joker, you evo-idiots have come up with so many supposed missing links through the years it's ridiculous. All scams and hoaxes to support the original hoax.

OF COURSE you want to say the missing link isn't necessary anymore due to the strides of science. Why? Because there is no missing link!

Why didn't you just stick with the Piltdown Man?

That was my favorite!

I knew your puny mind couldn't grasp what I wrote. I never said it isn't important, but what you, amybe not you, but most people find that there are many ways to prove something. Proving evolution doesn't hang on whether the missing link can be proven or not. there's a ton of other evidence that shows it.

You need to do your homework, cause the Bible ain't gonna get it done.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time.

Your missing link question shows me how far behind you are. There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link. Maybe you should look up Lucy. There's your missing link. Maybe you should do some research about different sized skulls that were unearthed showing mutations that closely resemble skulls of apes.

Instead of burying your head into an old relic like the Bible, maybe you should get your head out of your butt and welcome yourself to the 21 century. HELLO!!!!

"They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time".

that's a lie.

not stand alone quarantined DNA,  that cannot be "added to" by the scienterrifics that want it to "mutate"

sure,  add a little cotton candy to the DNA,  and mr "integrity scientist" has himself his personal carnival barker

 

you lie without conscience,  and when i challenge you to go extract those "findings" so i can systematically tear it's truth" apart,  you won't bring it here

at best,  you heard that,  or read that, and somebody maybe even sold it as fact and you bought,  but truth is,  it will be another public demonstration that you spray the board with non provable "facts".

AND YOU DON'T CARE. 

 so long as it sounds right,  WHO CARES.   that's your license plate holder

  you read stuff,  and spray it with a hose and sprayer intended to spread fertilizer

bring that "fact" front and center,  so i can run my fine tooth truth comb over it

truth is,  you never will back that up,  because you can't

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

Vision, you also need to get your head out of your butt.

There you go again. In your quote above, you wrote that science is awesome, but then in the same breath you write they have an agenda. How convenient.

Religious people are always asked this question. If there is a creator, then God must also have a creator. Unfortunatley for us poor skeptics, God doesn't have to have a creator according to the whacked out Christians because he's out of the realm of time and space. You people have an explanation for everything and nothiing to back it up. Not one shred of evidence. At least, even though science isn't perfect, it gives us a very good idea about our world with experiments, tests and a whole host of rigorous filters it mas pass to be accepted. Sure there's a lot of theories, but certain things have been PROVEN, which then leads to other breakthroughs.

Just look at what the Catholic church did to the men of science hundreds of years ago. Even now, the Catholic church is admitting there are some things in the Bible that are false. They finally woke up.

The funniest thing is, there are many many faith based videos on Youtube using science to back their claim....WHAT?

 

I can go on and on about the contradictions in the Bible, but you don't want to see them. Take the Flood story. It's flooded with holes. The world is billions of years old. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Earth was flooded 4000 years ago.  Every branch of science shows that the Earth is old and that there was no Flood. Chemistry, Physics, Meteorology, Zoology, Micro-biology, Genetics, Astronomy, Geology, Botany. They all provide evidence that a literal reading of the Bible is unwarranted. We can count the rings in a tree, and so on.....Not to mention that the story of the flood was more plagiarism from the Gilgamesh story.

You can't just dump a ton of water on the planet without harming the delicate eco balnce. Saltwater fish would die If fresh water was introduced. How did Noah get penguins and keep them cold enough to live? How did he get Kangaroos? Where did all the water go after the flood? How did a family of old aged folks build a craft the size of a football field with some fallen trees and no materials enough for the enormous task. How did he preserve the wood from rotting at one end considering the time it took? Today we build large ships out of iron for a good reason. The bigger the ship the more it becomes unstable in water.

There are so many other fallacies, my hand would go numb typing them, and it would take me 5 months to complete. You overlook all the videos I posted about the plagiarism and keep yapping your rediculous arguments. 

It's futile to even present evidence to you and Ridge the mountain guy who still harps about the missing link. Maybe he should look in the mirror. 

I would marginalize and trivialize the missing link too if I believed  hoaxes and fairy tales as wild as those you do.

All the giants of science swore the Piltdown Man was the missing link.

And you would have believed them.

Why?

Because they're scientists!

They're the experts!

 

Well, alrighty then.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

I knew your puny mind couldn't grasp what I wrote. I never said it isn't important, but what you, amybe not you, but most people find that there are many ways to prove something. Proving evolution doesn't hang on whether the missing link can be proven or not. there's a ton of other evidence that shows it.

You need to do your homework, cause the Bible ain't gonna get it done.

"There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link."

That's what you said in a previous post.

 

"I never said it isn't important..."

That's what you said in this post.

 

So which joker should we believe?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

"They've already proven in a lab, that DNA  will mutate given enough time".

that's a lie.

not stand alone quarantined DNA,  that cannot be "added to" by the scienterrifics that want it to "mutate"

sure,  add a little cotton candy to the DNA,  and mr "integrity scientist" has himself his personal carnival barker

 

you lie without conscience,  and when i challenge you to go extract those "findings" so i can systematically tear it's truth" apart,  you won't bring it here

at best,  you heard that,  or read that, and somebody maybe even sold it as fact and you bought,  but truth is,  it will be another public demonstration that you spray the board with non provable "facts".

AND YOU DON'T CARE. 

 so long as it sounds right,  WHO CARES.   that's your license plate holder

  you read stuff,  and spray it with a hose and sprayer intended to spread fertilizer

bring that "fact" front and center,  so i can run my fine tooth truth comb over it

truth is,  you never will back that up,  because you can't

You are a certified moron.

joker17

Here's proof of evolution. Put this in your pipe and smoke it. Let's see you argue your way out of this one.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/5207/DNA_Proof_of_Evolution/

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

Vision, you also need to get your head out of your butt.

There you go again. In your quote above, you wrote that science is awesome, but then in the same breath you write they have an agenda. How convenient.

Religious people are always asked this question. If there is a creator, then God must also have a creator. Unfortunatley for us poor skeptics, God doesn't have to have a creator according to the whacked out Christians because he's out of the realm of time and space. You people have an explanation for everything and nothiing to back it up. Not one shred of evidence. At least, even though science isn't perfect, it gives us a very good idea about our world with experiments, tests and a whole host of rigorous filters it mas pass to be accepted. Sure there's a lot of theories, but certain things have been PROVEN, which then leads to other breakthroughs.

Just look at what the Catholic church did to the men of science hundreds of years ago. Even now, the Catholic church is admitting there are some things in the Bible that are false. They finally woke up.

The funniest thing is, there are many many faith based videos on Youtube using science to back their claim....WHAT?

 

I can go on and on about the contradictions in the Bible, but you don't want to see them. Take the Flood story. It's flooded with holes. The world is billions of years old. There is not a single piece of evidence that the Earth was flooded 4000 years ago.  Every branch of science shows that the Earth is old and that there was no Flood. Chemistry, Physics, Meteorology, Zoology, Micro-biology, Genetics, Astronomy, Geology, Botany. They all provide evidence that a literal reading of the Bible is unwarranted. We can count the rings in a tree, and so on.....Not to mention that the story of the flood was more plagiarism from the Gilgamesh story.

You can't just dump a ton of water on the planet without harming the delicate eco balnce. Saltwater fish would die If fresh water was introduced. How did Noah get penguins and keep them cold enough to live? How did he get Kangaroos? Where did all the water go after the flood? How did a family of old aged folks build a craft the size of a football field with some fallen trees and no materials enough for the enormous task. How did he preserve the wood from rotting at one end considering the time it took? Today we build large ships out of iron for a good reason. The bigger the ship the more it becomes unstable in water.

There are so many other fallacies, my hand would go numb typing them, and it would take me 5 months to complete. You overlook all the videos I posted about the plagiarism and keep yapping your rediculous arguments. 

It's futile to even present evidence to you and Ridge the mountain guy who still harps about the missing link. Maybe he should look in the mirror. 

anti creationists are driven by agenda.

that's because their "facts" are eviloutionary,  ever changing,  ever evolving,  and not beacuse of the new and improved discovery quotient,   it's because it's painfully obvious they have to

you still have yet to address how these giants of science can make a leap from millions to billions.

you ran so fast from that little truth tid bit,  you just set the bionic man back into wardrobe

 answer the question...and qualify the leap gap of dating. 

handle your business like a real man for once,  and answer the charge laid against your position

instead of bombing the board,  answering the question like a man

 

God says he was never "created" by another.

just because you can't wrap your head around that,  doesn't indicate a non truth about it

you obviously proved you are not a handler of common sense,  let alone the "headier" aspects of life

 

i have never studied the flood with intensity,  but the flood could have been a geographical specific event that didn't include a covering of the whole earth.

that is only my opinion,  as i have yet to study the texts in depth.

that "opinion" could be congruent with the biblical writers as they recorded the event,  because at that moment in history,  their personal knowledge of the scope of what "world wide" meant was limited due to their inability to travel,  and discovery, etc. 

"world wide" merely meant to them what they understood the world to be in scope and size.

if the flood flooded what they understood,  then that validated their claim of it.

that is only my opinion.

if i ever do search the texts concerning the flood,  and it did mean that it covered the whole earth,  and there isn't proof of that,  you can have by bible,  i won't need it anymore

 

don't be a wuss and go off into flood land just yet,   handle the "billions" (and growing) scienterrific phenomenom first

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

"There have been biological breakthroughs that eclipse anything as trivial as the missing link."

That's what you said in a previous post.

 

"I never said it isn't important..."

That's what you said in this post.

 

So which joker should we believe?

What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games. I don't play those games. If you can't understand what I write, then too bad. I'm done with your parlor tricks. Stay stupid, who gives a shmidt.

There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason. You just want to play games, and I'm not doing that anymore. You can't answer a simple question I posted on this thread early on, which shows me that you're purposely eluding the tough questions. All you do is come back with childish remarks and put-downs.

You are a pathetic individual. Go ahead and keep believing your garbage. And I'll coninue making fun of the clown.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

good.

now you can stop your "search" for God,  drink yourself to an earlier grave,  and contact the scienterrific  community to see if they can implant your DNA into a purple pumperknickel pageant donkey,  so your legacy lives on

your angst should be over with,  now that you "know" evilution is "true"

looks like you will have alot of free time on your hands,  not having to "search" for God and all

later tonight,  i will tie another boat anchor around what you keep thinking is "true"

i just have to decide if i should feel personal responsibility for your increased drinking.

nope,  that's on you

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games. I don't play those games. If you can't understand what I write, then too bad. I'm done with your parlor tricks. Stay stupid, who gives a shmidt.

There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason. You just want to play games, and I'm not doing that anymore. You can't answer a simple question I posted on this thread early on, which shows me that you're purposely eluding the tough questions. All you do is come back with childish remarks and put-downs.

You are a pathetic individual. Go ahead and keep believing your garbage. And I'll coninue making fun of the clown.

Don't get mad at me for showing your lies and contradictions.

I didn't comment. I just copied what you said.

I can't help it if you're a pathological liar.

Go take a bath, maybe it'll calm you down.

And try using soap for the first time, it won't hurt you.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

You are a certified moron.

you made the claim,  i didn't.

i shot holes in it with a BB gun,  and your only defense instead of proving it was...

....calling me names

 

your a bag of wind that flies a kite during a snowstorm

you spray and run,  that's all you ever do,  that's as far as your capabilities run

 

where is your "hard evidence" this time on mutating DNA ?

that's ......the missing link

maybe if your lucky,  the new improved version of the "missing link" will be named joker

what an honor, huh?

the aliens will be enraged though,  because you took their spotlight.

 

first it's evolution that holds the truths of life,  then it's aliens,  which is it ????  Green laugh

your the poster child for what i was saying,  "you guys" just make garbage up,  you don't care if it's true or not.

 

aliens then evolution.  evolution then aliens.  which came first,  heineken or evolution,  or was heineken THE evolution of aliens?  i dunno.   what a merry go around is going around in your head

your now caught in between 2 different rides at the carnival

who will rescue you?

i just think it to be hysterical that you extoll BOTH as being the "answer"

alien evolution.   good title for a new swarzenegger movie

joker17

More proof. Darwin's Finches which demonstrate how the many Finches had different beaks to adapt to the different islands they lived in.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

you made the claim,  i didn't.

i shot holes in it with a BB gun,  and your only defense instead of proving it was...

....calling me names

 

your a bag of wind that flies a kite during a snowstorm

you spray and run,  that's all you ever do,  that's as far as your capabilities run

 

where is your "hard evidence" this time on mutating DNA ?

that's ......the missing link

maybe if your lucky,  the new improved version of the "missing link" will be named joker

what an honor, huh?

the aliens will be enraged though,  because you took their spotlight.

 

first it's evolution that holds the truths of life,  then it's aliens,  which is it ????  Green laugh

your the poster child for what i was saying,  "you guys" just make garbage up,  you don't care if it's true or not.

 

aliens then evolution.  evolution then aliens.  which came first,  heineken or evolution,  or was heineken THE evolution of aliens?  i dunno.   what a merry go around is going around in your head

your now caught in between 2 different rides at the carnival

who will rescue you?

i just think it to be hysterical that you extoll BOTH as being the "answer"

alien evolution.   good title for a new swarzenegger movie

Sorry, I can't help it. I can only pound sense into you for a short time before I lose it. It' not worth my time to keep writing evidence so you can come back with your nonsense.  Simply a waste of time.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

More proof. Darwin's Finches which demonstrate how the many Finches had different beaks to adapt to the different islands they lived in.

I'd talk about finches too if I knew there was no missing link.

You're incredibly stupid, aintcha boy?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

I'd talk about finches too if I knew there was no missing link.

You're incredibly stupid, aintcha boy?

I'm stupid? Coming from a fool who believes in fairytales from a relic book. Do you wait up for Santa on Christmas eve?

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 23, 2011

you made the claim,  i didn't.

i shot holes in it with a BB gun,  and your only defense instead of proving it was...

....calling me names

 

your a bag of wind that flies a kite during a snowstorm

you spray and run,  that's all you ever do,  that's as far as your capabilities run

 

where is your "hard evidence" this time on mutating DNA ?

that's ......the missing link

maybe if your lucky,  the new improved version of the "missing link" will be named joker

what an honor, huh?

the aliens will be enraged though,  because you took their spotlight.

 

first it's evolution that holds the truths of life,  then it's aliens,  which is it ????  Green laugh

your the poster child for what i was saying,  "you guys" just make garbage up,  you don't care if it's true or not.

 

aliens then evolution.  evolution then aliens.  which came first,  heineken or evolution,  or was heineken THE evolution of aliens?  i dunno.   what a merry go around is going around in your head

your now caught in between 2 different rides at the carnival

who will rescue you?

i just think it to be hysterical that you extoll BOTH as being the "answer"

alien evolution.   good title for a new swarzenegger movie

The reason I call you names is because you're a complete idiot. Evolution took place, and if you remember, I said earlier that the aliens took an ape and fused their genes with it to make humans. The latter is only my opinion based on information that you wouldn't believe.

So your argument about which one it is, is completely false, once again. There has to first be an evolution to create apes, and then the aliens grafted their genes with them.

I can see why your mind is so limited. You cherry pick things to benefit your stupid agenda.

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

I'm stupid? Coming from a fool who believes in fairytales from a relic book. Do you wait up for Santa on Christmas eve?

Why do you want to talk about finches instead of the Piltdown Man?

Tell us again that he's the proof of evolution!

C'mon!

Name all the scientists and experts that proved it and swore to it!

Evolution, pffffttttt! Stick to finches, stinky.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

yeah, good excuse

i totally didn't expect you to run the other direction.

adaptation only speaks of God.

evolving species isn't bad,  it's when guys like you have to lie we "evolved" from primordial muck,  or whatever lie you can manufacture for that week,  to explain away creation that evolution takes a detour from truth to fiction.

God would creates species to adapt,  but monkeys to steven hawking to you?

only at the beshest of a caseload of heineken.

by the way,  how did the aliens evolve from promordial muck,  and is lucy a "hybrid" too?

sorry,  but you stick your chin out way too far

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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

The reason I call you names is because you're a complete idiot. Evolution took place, and if you remember, I said earlier that the aliens took an ape and fused their genes with it to make humans. The latter is only my opinion based on information that you wouldn't believe.

So your argument about which one it is, is completely false, once again. There has to first be an evolution to create apes, and then the aliens grafted their genes with them.

I can see why your mind is so limited. You cherry pick things to benefit your stupid agenda.

The above referenced post is Exhibit A Agree with stupid  Again, these are joker's own words; I can't make this stuff up, folks, lol.

 

So apparently, Martians came down here in their flying saucers and made sweet love with some monkeys and long-story-short, we wound up with joker. I am absolutely positive that pumpi would vouch for the veracity of this account of joker's existential state of being.

I'm gonna buy him some monkey bars.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 23, 2011

Why do you want to talk about finches instead of the Piltdown Man?

Tell us again that he's the proof of evolution!

C'mon!

Name all the scientists and experts that proved it and swore to it!

Evolution, pffffttttt! Stick to finches, stinky.

You don't answer any of my questions, so why should I waste my time writing back? I asked you a long time ago about the age of the universe and the speed of light, and you've yet to answer a simple question. I know your game and I ain't playing it, get it?

I'm so done with your stupid BS. Go eff yourself, I'm done with talking to a loser like you. Go play games with someone else, and don't waste my time.

Bye dumbass....!

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 23, 2011

so what happens when you die

Don't waste your time here anymore. I've done my job and posted more evidence than they deserve to see. I could post tons more, but I have a life.

I can't be bothered by teaching this stuff to a couple of clowns. It's not worth the trouble. They don't want to learn anything.

My job is done.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

You don't answer any of my questions, so why should I waste my time writing back? I asked you a long time ago about the age of the universe and the speed of light, and you've yet to answer a simple question. I know your game and I ain't playing it, get it?

I'm so done with your stupid BS. Go eff yourself, I'm done with talking to a loser like you. Go play games with someone else, and don't waste my time.

Bye dumbass....!

I see now why you're a cab driver.

You really reach for the stars, don't you?

So did you take a bath?

Or just drench yourself with cheap cologne as usual?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

Don't waste your time here anymore. I've done my job and posted more evidence than they deserve to see. I could post tons more, but I have a life.

I can't be bothered by teaching this stuff to a couple of clowns. It's not worth the trouble. They don't want to learn anything.

My job is done.

Bye, Stinky!

Don't forget Piltdown Man.

He's proof you're a monkeyman!

All the scientists said so!   Yes Nod

Pffffffttttt!   LOL

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Poor soul, he's just too high strung is all.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

As hard as I try, some people you just can't help.

They have to admit they need help first.

I hope he comes to his senses someday.

But either way, I'm here for him.

Poor soul.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

You don't answer any of my questions, so why should I waste my time writing back? I asked you a long time ago about the age of the universe and the speed of light, and you've yet to answer a simple question. I know your game and I ain't playing it, get it?

I'm so done with your stupid BS. Go eff yourself, I'm done with talking to a loser like you. Go play games with someone else, and don't waste my time.

Bye dumbass....!

Maybe a personal drinking record tonight from you, joker

Zoomed right past a 12pack, straight to #13.

You can always gauge your posts when they go from "non alchohol" to rehab quality

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

The reason I call you names is because you're a complete idiot. Evolution took place, and if you remember, I said earlier that the aliens took an ape and fused their genes with it to make humans. The latter is only my opinion based on information that you wouldn't believe.

So your argument about which one it is, is completely false, once again. There has to first be an evolution to create apes, and then the aliens grafted their genes with them.

I can see why your mind is so limited. You cherry pick things to benefit your stupid agenda.

evolution is still taking place.......on this thread.                but only because of you

your "position" has more chameleon twists and turns to it,  i need to take a motion sickness pill now when i read what's the latest from you.

and you still refuse to qualify the leap from millions,  to the sooner, rather than later "trillions".   

i don't blame you from taking the freeway exit on that little factual tid bit.     you needed to. 

anyway,  you and i need to take a trip to the zoo to flesh out your latest "truth".

got the perfect qualification test in mind.

we can walk up to the monkey cage,  and you can show him pictures of an alien (doesn't have to be in color),  and if he gets that pissed off look like he got passed over in the scientific probe deal,  then you win.  i concede

if i put on my star wars shirt,  and he gets angry,  and threatens to rip the bars from their anchor,  you win again.

if he starts to cry when i show him a pic of genes roddenberry,  that's points for you as well

if i make a faux "alien" probing device in my garage on my work bench,  and it invokes fear and or "glee" when i show it to the monkey,  then that's bonus points for you

should i even bring my mint condition semi life sized E.T. doll,  and my B.J. and the bear action figure , or is that going overboard? 

but, if i bring a portrait of Jesus Christ,  and the monkey does nothing,  that means you have to agree to give all Christians free cab fare for one year

since your a "hybrid",   you might wanna go in disguise,  because that would taint the results,  if it's true

besides, aliens are supposed to be "intelligent" life forms,  according to hollyweird lore,  so aliens wouldn't have picked apes anyway,  that would have picked donkeys (for obvious reasons)

even eddie murphy knows that

jump the fence at your local zoo, joker,   and see how long your "theory" lasts.

flesh it out,  and get friendly.  sneak up on them with your DNA kit from a garage sale,  and see what a "match" you two are

last time i had a conversation with someone about monkeys being the "missing link",  i noted you can't mate with one and produce offspring.    that killed that convo real quick

can't wait for joker to tell us all just what went into the "fusing process".   

 i guarantee you that explanation would eclipse anything ever said at LP

no one could top that

"now hold still little feller.   this is gonna hurt you,  far more than it's gonna hurt me"  Green laugh

all i want to know is what was substituted for vaseline,  premordial ooze ? Green laughx2

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 23, 2011

folks read a few paragraphs

The Journey of Man:
A Genetic Odyssey
Spencer Wells

ok four,  here i am,  i gave you my word i would come back tonight and discuss it

i read it,  so in your mind what does it mean,  what impresses you,  or generally,  what motivation did you have in particular by referencing that "study"?

you start,  and i will give you my opinion of it

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

so an alien walks into a bar,  and see's a monkey sitting at the bar,  it walks up to the monkey and says ...

"heard any good fusion music lately" ?

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 23, 2011

folks read a few paragraphs

The Journey of Man:
A Genetic Odyssey
Spencer Wells

The interview with the author of The Journey of Man that four4me linked to above is excellent.  If it doesn't persuade you to at least consider the possibility that the Bible and the Quran were written by men, inspired by their own human experiences a couple of thousand years ago, then consider this:

http://www.americanhumanist.org/who_we_are/about_humanism/Some_Reasons_Why_Humanists_Reject_the_Bible

If this doesn't help, loop back to my link to the Sam Harris video.

BTW, joker17's conjectures about aliens, regardless of their truth or falsity, do not negate evolution.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

so a Christian walks into the bar (because he is there to "evangelize" of course),  and he see's the alien and the monkey sitting in a dark corner "negotiating".

when all of a sudden they get up,  and make a beeline for the Christian,  only to be stopped dead in their tracks...

"no,  we don't allow either of your kind on our dating sites,  but can i buy you a primordial ooze slow gin fizz"?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

3 hybrids walk into a bar

#1 is carrying a limited edition of origin of the species in one hand,  but dragging his knuckles with the other

#2 is carrying the full box set of planet of the apes,  and wearing a star trek shirt.

#3 looks like an irs agent,  acts like he is from another planet,  "probes" decent law abiding human beings for a living, and wears a hat made from a banana peel

joker is already at the bar,  fully passed out,  and misses the entire sequence, wakes up, see's the dos equis man, and decides he created humanity

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Nephilim

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

What's your point, Cointoss?

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Not that anyone mentioned Mormons but this applies to you crossing the line rdgrnr!  You don't give anyone the respect you want them to show you!  You might think you are funny with all your barbed answers but you are not - makes you just a jerk.

Our next President will most likely be Mormon, think you can handle that? 

Published on Jun 22, 2011 08:50PM

                                When do theological arguments cross the line into the “anti territory — anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-Mormon?” asks Mormon blogger Jana Riess.

Riess, a Mormon convert who holds degrees in religion from Wellesley College and Princeton Theological Seminary, and a doctorate in American religious history from Columbia University, should know. She has had many “wonderful and enlightening conversations,” she says, “with evangelicals who don't share all of my theological views but have treated me like a respected friend and dialogue partner.”

Sometimes, though, critiques turn into attacks, Riess writes. She lists the following five signs to tell when that is happening:

1.You claim that a religion is inherently violent or dangerous, much like many American Christians say about Islam and some say about Mormonism.

2. You claim that the religion has deviant or illicit sexual practices — as people said about Mormons even after the LDS Church abandoned polygamy.

3. You choose its more esoteric or odd-sounding beliefs to represent the whole tradition as in statements about the LDS belief that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri or that God lives on a planet called Kolob.

4. You place it outside your culture’s dominant history as in the way Nazis “distinguished between 'good Aryans' and the 'dirty Jews' who had turned everything wrong for Germany in the interwar years."

5. You suggest that its people are less moral than you are, or unfit for full rights in society.
 
 
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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

Not that anyone mentioned Mormons but this applies to you crossing the line rdgrnr!  You don't give anyone the respect you want them to show you!  You might think you are funny with all your barbed answers but you are not - makes you just a jerk.

Our next President will most likely be Mormon, think you can handle that? 

Published on Jun 22, 2011 08:50PM

                                When do theological arguments cross the line into the “anti territory — anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-Mormon?” asks Mormon blogger Jana Riess.

Riess, a Mormon convert who holds degrees in religion from Wellesley College and Princeton Theological Seminary, and a doctorate in American religious history from Columbia University, should know. She has had many “wonderful and enlightening conversations,” she says, “with evangelicals who don't share all of my theological views but have treated me like a respected friend and dialogue partner.”

Sometimes, though, critiques turn into attacks, Riess writes. She lists the following five signs to tell when that is happening:

1.You claim that a religion is inherently violent or dangerous, much like many American Christians say about Islam and some say about Mormonism.

2. You claim that the religion has deviant or illicit sexual practices — as people said about Mormons even after the LDS Church abandoned polygamy.

3. You choose its more esoteric or odd-sounding beliefs to represent the whole tradition as in statements about the LDS belief that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri or that God lives on a planet called Kolob.

4. You place it outside your culture’s dominant history as in the way Nazis “distinguished between 'good Aryans' and the 'dirty Jews' who had turned everything wrong for Germany in the interwar years."

5. You suggest that its people are less moral than you are, or unfit for full rights in society.
 
 

??? What? ???

If anybody can figure out what the hell that was all about, please let me know.

I think truecricket is coming unhinged.

I think it might be the Spacemonkey Gene going haywire.

I just hope I can help him before he reaches critical mass and has a total meltdown.

I'm here for you, truecricket!

I'm here for you!  See Ya!

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 24, 2011

??? What? ???

If anybody can figure out what the hell that was all about, please let me know.

I think truecricket is coming unhinged.

I think it might be the Spacemonkey Gene going haywire.

I just hope I can help him before he reaches critical mass and has a total meltdown.

I'm here for you, truecricket!

I'm here for you!  See Ya!

NOTICE I use rdgrnr when mentioning you.

I have no idea who truecricket is?

You want to act smart - go ahead - just don't expect the courtesy of an answer from me.

cour·te·sy/'k?rt?se/Noun

1. The showing of politeness in one's attitude and behavior toward others.
 
 
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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

NOTICE I use rdgrnr when mentioning you.

I have no idea who truecricket is?

You want to act smart - go ahead - just don't expect the courtesy of an answer from me.

cour·te·sy/'k?rt?se/Noun

1. The showing of politeness in one's attitude and behavior toward others.
 
 

Admitting you have a problem is the first step in your recovery, truecricket.

I can't help you if you won't take that first step, little buddy.

You need to center yourself, you're out of balance.

Harmony, my friend... harmony...

We're all here for you, little guy.

As long as it takes...

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Well, since aliens came up, who were the Nephilim (we know they weren't earthly), where did they come from, and why (to mate with earth babes?).

Or, is it just a case of from time immemorial, the Nephilim, like all the other aliens, are here for the hot babes, the beer, the pizza, and the weed?

There are also theories that we are the aliens, i.e., humankind came from another planet or fled another planet or were sent from another planet to earth to mine its resources.

       

I'm just saying......

None of this knocks out creation, as He created everything.  I know on some "Christian" boards that anything from space or a ghost is a "demon". Naw. This one one vast universe, perhaps one of many universes, and to assume that this is the only inhabited planet is just a striking example of people's egos gone berserk.

Then there's this:

15th Century Carving of Nephilim
Past Coast guest Brooks A. Agnew, PhD sends a photo of what he calls a rare find, a "15th century carving of Non-Human Nephilim" from the Roslin Chapel in Scotland. He writes: "Nephilim are the fallen angels who fathered the ancient giants with mortal women. Some had wings. Some didn't. Not all were human in form. They are immortal off-worlders. And they have a plan."

--Brooks Agnew
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1073.html
visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 24, 2011

Well, since aliens came up, who were the Nephilim (we know they weren't earthly), where did they come from, and why (to mate with earth babes?).

Or, is it just a case of from time immemorial, the Nephilim, like all the other aliens, are here for the hot babes, the beer, the pizza, and the weed?

There are also theories that we are the aliens, i.e., humankind came from another planet or fled another planet or were sent from another planet to earth to mine its resources.

       

I'm just saying......

None of this knocks out creation, as He created everything.  I know on some "Christian" boards that anything from space or a ghost is a "demon". Naw. This one one vast universe, perhaps one of many universes, and to assume that this is the only inhabited planet is just a striking example of people's egos gone berserk.

Then there's this:

15th Century Carving of Nephilim
Past Coast guest Brooks A. Agnew, PhD sends a photo of what he calls a rare find, a "15th century carving of Non-Human Nephilim" from the Roslin Chapel in Scotland. He writes: "Nephilim are the fallen angels who fathered the ancient giants with mortal women. Some had wings. Some didn't. Not all were human in form. They are immortal off-worlders. And they have a plan."

--Brooks Agnew
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1073.html

not true,  and based upon total exaggeration

just a scosch of common sense to start,  why would God allow only one time in history a little "party" of the 3rd kind,  where demons, fallen angelic beings et all got to have their way with "hot babes"?

seriously,  only one time in history it happened?

if it were "fallen angels",  it would have happened a gazillion times over the course of humanity,  because fallen angels do not have self control,  and are out to destroy humanity.

let's say that was the initial "first time" slamlamadingdong,  the first taste of that,  and they would have sent a memo out to the "others" about how fun that was.

think people.  use common sense

furthermore, Jesus Christ created angels,  "fallen" and otherwise,  and alluded to all angels being asexual beings,  devoid of sexual relation / procreation capabilities,  so therefore,  it is impossible for the nephilim to be anything but human.

i haven't done exhaustive (enough) research on the subject,  but as i remember,  the nephilim were men that were evil and corrupt before the Lord,  and made their infamy through terrorizing people

you don't think that if that were true,  and "fallen angels" could have sex with earthly women,  that it wouldn't be happening now with hooters restaurants all over the planet?    Green laughGreen laughGreen laugh

"hey,  let's go to the one in LA today.  i heard betty likes her some alien" 

seriously,  sometimes you can come to a truth by way of common sense.

God runs the show, and therefore HAS to allow "evil".   

it's not like it was a one time occurance,  where the fallen angels were feeling a little amorous that day,  and slipped out the parameter fence undetected by God,  and had their way without protest.

in fact,  the nephilim if i remember right were pre flood and post flood,  which would have made their "amorous extravaganza" multiple times.

uh no.  not quite

 

and for extra common sense points,  the bible has a ton of things to say about the created heavens in detail.

the only mention of anything "created" beyond us was angels,  fallen and otherwise.

there is never any hint of another "inhabited" planet,  another faction of created beings,  nothing beyond human beings and angels.

there is no life beyond that,  green or otherwise according to the biblical record.

to be sure,  whenever God discusses in detail what heaven contains,  the only inhabititants are God and us and angels

heaven is Gods residence and throne,  and if there were "other life",  they too would eventually have residentcy,  even if it HAD to include the process of redemption like it did with us.

"other life" would be there as well,  and they are not,  because when God discusses heaven,  it's in stretched out over the entirety of eternity.   still no honorable mention of anyone joining the party

God doesnt have a summer cottage on the planet kolob,  so He has no other "family" to attend to

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 23, 2011

What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games. I don't play those games. If you can't understand what I write, then too bad. I'm done with your parlor tricks. Stay stupid, who gives a shmidt.

There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason. You just want to play games, and I'm not doing that anymore. You can't answer a simple question I posted on this thread early on, which shows me that you're purposely eluding the tough questions. All you do is come back with childish remarks and put-downs.

You are a pathetic individual. Go ahead and keep believing your garbage. And I'll coninue making fun of the clown.

"What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games."

VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of. It doesn't matter what you really said because he will continue on as if you never said it. Discussion is useless with anyone that lies about what you actually said and hypocritically brags about their integrity.

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite. I don't know if he's just plain ignorant or it's just a very weird style of debate, but either way I haven't seen anyone give him any credibility so why waste your time?

"There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason."

There is evidence some species of animals and plants have adapted over time to changes in environment and climates but there is also evidence that similar species existing under the same circumstances became extinct. Adaption or "survival of the fittest" is probably a better way of explaining than a new specie evolved from extinct older species.

We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 24, 2011

Well, since aliens came up, who were the Nephilim (we know they weren't earthly), where did they come from, and why (to mate with earth babes?).

Or, is it just a case of from time immemorial, the Nephilim, like all the other aliens, are here for the hot babes, the beer, the pizza, and the weed?

There are also theories that we are the aliens, i.e., humankind came from another planet or fled another planet or were sent from another planet to earth to mine its resources.

       

I'm just saying......

None of this knocks out creation, as He created everything.  I know on some "Christian" boards that anything from space or a ghost is a "demon". Naw. This one one vast universe, perhaps one of many universes, and to assume that this is the only inhabited planet is just a striking example of people's egos gone berserk.

Then there's this:

15th Century Carving of Nephilim
Past Coast guest Brooks A. Agnew, PhD sends a photo of what he calls a rare find, a "15th century carving of Non-Human Nephilim" from the Roslin Chapel in Scotland. He writes: "Nephilim are the fallen angels who fathered the ancient giants with mortal women. Some had wings. Some didn't. Not all were human in form. They are immortal off-worlders. And they have a plan."

--Brooks Agnew
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1073.html

"who were the Nephilim (we know they weren't earthly), where did they come from, and why (to mate with earth babes?)."

"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Who were the other women that weren't so fair?

"Nephilim are the fallen angels who fathered the ancient giants with mortal women."

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown."

If I'm reading that correctly the giants were already here and apparently  "IN" in the earth when sons came down. It's sort of strange that mighty men of renown would be considered evil too as the story goes on to say.

Your space seed theory is interesting but only if the Earth is 4 billion years old, but I'm sure you'll be told it's only 8000 years old by our resident Bible literalist.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

Not that anyone mentioned Mormons but this applies to you crossing the line rdgrnr!  You don't give anyone the respect you want them to show you!  You might think you are funny with all your barbed answers but you are not - makes you just a jerk.

Our next President will most likely be Mormon, think you can handle that? 

Published on Jun 22, 2011 08:50PM

                                When do theological arguments cross the line into the “anti territory — anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-Mormon?” asks Mormon blogger Jana Riess.

Riess, a Mormon convert who holds degrees in religion from Wellesley College and Princeton Theological Seminary, and a doctorate in American religious history from Columbia University, should know. She has had many “wonderful and enlightening conversations,” she says, “with evangelicals who don't share all of my theological views but have treated me like a respected friend and dialogue partner.”

Sometimes, though, critiques turn into attacks, Riess writes. She lists the following five signs to tell when that is happening:

1.You claim that a religion is inherently violent or dangerous, much like many American Christians say about Islam and some say about Mormonism.

2. You claim that the religion has deviant or illicit sexual practices — as people said about Mormons even after the LDS Church abandoned polygamy.

3. You choose its more esoteric or odd-sounding beliefs to represent the whole tradition as in statements about the LDS belief that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri or that God lives on a planet called Kolob.

4. You place it outside your culture’s dominant history as in the way Nazis “distinguished between 'good Aryans' and the 'dirty Jews' who had turned everything wrong for Germany in the interwar years."

5. You suggest that its people are less moral than you are, or unfit for full rights in society.
 
 

"Not that anyone mentioned Mormons  "

When I first read your post I thought of a logical candidate who would eventually go even further off topic by saying something against the Mormon belief.

VD: "God doesnt have a summer cottage on the planet kolob,  so He has no other "family" to attend to"

It's bad enough on religious forums when these crazy so called Christian fundamentalist try to con people by saying only they know the "truth about God" but this is a lottery site. If it was only that easy predicting lottery numbers as it is predicting who is a religious fanatic, we'd have millions.

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

"Not that anyone mentioned Mormons  "

When I first read your post I thought of a logical candidate who would eventually go even further off topic by saying something against the Mormon belief.

VD: "God doesnt have a summer cottage on the planet kolob,  so He has no other "family" to attend to"

It's bad enough on religious forums when these crazy so called Christian fundamentalist try to con people by saying only they know the "truth about God" but this is a lottery site. If it was only that easy predicting lottery numbers as it is predicting who is a religious fanatic, we'd have millions.

"When I first read your post I thought of a logical candidate who would eventually go even further off topic by saying something against the Mormon belief."

Oh Man!  PLEASE don't tell me that rdgrnr is now a candidate for President too? ROFL

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Water Proof

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

A little more about the nephilim..... tin hat, or?

This author, Patrick Heron,  has been on coast to Coast AM radio and went into this in depth. Enjoy!:

The Truth Behind Myth

In The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse, author Patrick Heron examines ancient texts from Genesis to the Book of Enoch to Revelation to once and for all establish the true identity of this mysterious, lost race of giant beings. Are they angels? Genetic monsters? Are they characters of fable and myth? Are they still among us? Within these pages the answers are finally revealed.

Solving The Riddle Of The Pyramids

The identity of the Nephilim firmly in hand, Patrick Heron takes his research deeper, using science and an examination of age-old prophecies to discover the true meaning of the pyramids. His astonishing findings address the importance of the pyramid shape and its diabolical aim to supplant the City of God. And last but not least, once the riddle of the pyramids is solved, its significance in helping to navigate the coming Apocalypse is fully illuminated.

Patrick Heron was born in Dublin, Ireland in 1952, and has a B.S. and M.A. in Business Studies from Trinity College, Dublin. At the age of 24, he began his Christian walk following an epiphany he experienced while reading the Bible. In 1997, having recently become interested in Bible prophecy concerning the "end times," Patrick published his best-selling book Apocalypse Soon.He currently resides in Dublin with his family and is not associated with any particular church or denomination. --This text refers to the Kindle Edition edition.


Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

"When I first read your post I thought of a logical candidate who would eventually go even further off topic by saying something against the Mormon belief."

Oh Man!  PLEASE don't tell me that rdgrnr is now a candidate for President too? ROFL

Henry Clay once said "I knew Andy Jackson and rdgrnr is no Andy Jackson"; meaning that Andy was the first Democrat President and from Tennessee.

Just a guess, but rdgrnr is probably far right of the Tea Party so I doubt we'll see many Rdgrnr/Palin bumper stickers in 2012.

Hiding Behind Computer

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

"What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games."

VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of. It doesn't matter what you really said because he will continue on as if you never said it. Discussion is useless with anyone that lies about what you actually said and hypocritically brags about their integrity.

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite. I don't know if he's just plain ignorant or it's just a very weird style of debate, but either way I haven't seen anyone give him any credibility so why waste your time?

"There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason."

There is evidence some species of animals and plants have adapted over time to changes in environment and climates but there is also evidence that similar species existing under the same circumstances became extinct. Adaption or "survival of the fittest" is probably a better way of explaining than a new specie evolved from extinct older species.

We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

whoops,  looks like stacks self estimated inflated ego hasn't had enough of it handed to him in the past,  so the bravado cowboy wishes for some more rodeo.  good by me.

"VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of"

 poor stack,  doesn't realize this particular methodology always comes back to bite a person.

so i...."never know what the subject is"?    i just make things up that have no parrallel attribute?    that's an obvious LIE.

once again,  stack doesn't like the person or the subject matter,  but instead of countering straight up,  the "giant of integrity" moves right to a lie about what HAS gone on in here.

you live in the gutter of life when you purposefully lie about people, period

"but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite"

 nice move,  stack. 

 you were only wallowing in the gutter of life,  but since you went straight to a nasty purposeful lie about my family,   you moved from the gutter to the sewer.

your just mad that a guy like me that regularly assasinates the english language,  so easily easily hands you your intellectual lunch.

what other "gems" of humanity do you have to offer the board in order to convinve them your the "go to guy" for all things "truthful"?

i have a pretty good imagination,  but even i can't fathom a person going lower that an attacking a persons family,  just because their losing the debate before they finish typing the first sentence

like ridge says,  people like you are cowards behind a lap top.   

people that lie about other people don't have a position to add bravado to. 

 in real life,    you wouldn't have the guts to lie about my family to my face,  and since you wouldn't,  that's really all that needs to be told about you being "the man"

the day you stop letting your ego think it can mess with what goes on in here,   is the day i will stop putting your intentional dirty laundry thru the wash 

it's an embarrassing display just watching your attempts at talking trash

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

"What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games."

VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of. It doesn't matter what you really said because he will continue on as if you never said it. Discussion is useless with anyone that lies about what you actually said and hypocritically brags about their integrity.

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite. I don't know if he's just plain ignorant or it's just a very weird style of debate, but either way I haven't seen anyone give him any credibility so why waste your time?

"There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason."

There is evidence some species of animals and plants have adapted over time to changes in environment and climates but there is also evidence that similar species existing under the same circumstances became extinct. Adaption or "survival of the fittest" is probably a better way of explaining than a new specie evolved from extinct older species.

We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

"We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

 listen,  i know you wish Jesus Christ realy wasn't God,  but lets just get right to it,  and your "history lesson".

stay on track,  because i am RESPONDING to your historical lie,   and the board doesn't want to witness you lying again with you saying i wasn't on the "subject matter".

let's not hold back,  that's scienterrific garbage,  but since you insist it has to be theoretically true,  how about a little "test" to flesh out your leap from monkey to human,  as evilultion keeps lying it is.

lipstick is available at most local stores.  so is cologne.   so are animal attractants.  you can rent a monkey suit at a costume shop,  if you think that will endear you to "lucy" a little quicker.   personally,  however you go about it, we don't care.

since you live in KY,  there is a zoo in louisville,  and i know local laws and human decency laws prohibit it,  but jump the fence in your monkey get up,  and experience your "hypothesis" for yourself.

see if you can manufacture a little hairy hybrid "stack"

ok,  so that was a bit dramatic,  when all i ever had to say is humans and apes were never able to procreate,  and unless you can "link" that missing link,   the "science" of us evolving from apes is a lie

it actually embarasses science.        it's probably one of the dumbest lies in history

don't forget your DNA test kit,  stack

want me to do a mix tape for you featuring cro magnon sounds,  so you can get "lucy" in the mood ?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

ummm,  stack has climbed the evolutionary ladder from a zoologist romance expert,  to a budding biblical "scholar" all in one thread.

that evolution is moving extra fast these days.

 

so stack,  we are all to go to you on all things biblical,  given you a god-hater? 

now that makes sense,  no bias from you,  and more than a total knowledge of the subject.    Puke

 

you might garner a "maybe" in the truth department,  if you haven't sprayed the board numerous times already with your anti-christian parade of superlatives.

stevie wonder prior to braille would agree that you get your 'biblical knowledge" from anti-christian sites that cherry pick with red stains on thier fingers.

unfortunately for you,  i know the importance of collective reasoning, and how that applies to true biblical interpretation.

"you guys" lie to the hills about contexuality,  to make it appear "not true"

guys like us connect the dots,  so that one cherry picked "scripture" doesn't get top billing on the anti's contradiction hit list.

case in point,  and straight to the point so i don't post a rediculous amount of information about geneaology, etc ...is like i said before.

there are two points that make that an impossiblity,  as far as the nephilim being half human,  half science fiction novel

Jesus Christ was God,  and He stated He created the angels,  and He infers that they are asexual in design and function.

they cannot have sex,  so obviously they cannot procreate either,  making it impossible for them to have sexual relations with women (or if you prefer "monkeys").

copy and paste from hypothetical anti-sites all you want,  but no matter what missing link you want to imagine is there,  it's bibically impossible.

  that's why i run to manufactured "inconsistentcies" and alleged "contradictions",  because i get to fill in the blanks on what the bible really does say,  when you don't leave collective reasoning out

you picked the wrong guy to test drive your new "biblical scholar" gig

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

ever evolving in my evolutionary thinking when it comes to the stacks of life,  i have a fast track idea that will enable us to get right to the crux of the disco offering stack the "biblical scholar' had to offer us.

hey stack,   where is biblical proof that angels have sex organs,  and therefore "procreative capabilities"?

you tried to attempt to build your case for the nephalim being half and half using biblical passeages,  so now you must use the bible to demonstrate that angels had the capacity for monkey love of the special kind.

i know,  you won't be able to,  and you will launch into some tirade blaming my ancestors next,  just because you are unable to finish off what you start.

you guys throw garbage out,  and could care less if it's true,  which is why you can never cross the finish line in the truth sweepstakes game

watch what ensues,  as stack loses his "biblical scholar" job description in one day

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

NOTICE I use rdgrnr when mentioning you.

I have no idea who truecricket is?

You want to act smart - go ahead - just don't expect the courtesy of an answer from me.

cour·te·sy/'k?rt?se/Noun

1. The showing of politeness in one's attitude and behavior toward others.
 
 

"I have no idea who truecricket is?"

 

LOL, truecricket is you, silly!

See, a critic is someone who judges, evaluates or criticizes and they're helpful and useful.

A cricket just makes noise.

That's why you're truecricket!

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

ummm,  stack has climbed the evolutionary ladder from a zoologist romance expert,  to a budding biblical "scholar" all in one thread.

that evolution is moving extra fast these days.

 

so stack,  we are all to go to you on all things biblical,  given you a god-hater? 

now that makes sense,  no bias from you,  and more than a total knowledge of the subject.    Puke

 

you might garner a "maybe" in the truth department,  if you haven't sprayed the board numerous times already with your anti-christian parade of superlatives.

stevie wonder prior to braille would agree that you get your 'biblical knowledge" from anti-christian sites that cherry pick with red stains on thier fingers.

unfortunately for you,  i know the importance of collective reasoning, and how that applies to true biblical interpretation.

"you guys" lie to the hills about contexuality,  to make it appear "not true"

guys like us connect the dots,  so that one cherry picked "scripture" doesn't get top billing on the anti's contradiction hit list.

case in point,  and straight to the point so i don't post a rediculous amount of information about geneaology, etc ...is like i said before.

there are two points that make that an impossiblity,  as far as the nephilim being half human,  half science fiction novel

Jesus Christ was God,  and He stated He created the angels,  and He infers that they are asexual in design and function.

they cannot have sex,  so obviously they cannot procreate either,  making it impossible for them to have sexual relations with women (or if you prefer "monkeys").

copy and paste from hypothetical anti-sites all you want,  but no matter what missing link you want to imagine is there,  it's bibically impossible.

  that's why i run to manufactured "inconsistentcies" and alleged "contradictions",  because i get to fill in the blanks on what the bible really does say,  when you don't leave collective reasoning out

you picked the wrong guy to test drive your new "biblical scholar" gig

IF anyone is an atheist, it just means you haven't proven that your God exists.  By calling everyone a liar and alienating* them, you never will prove it.  The burden of proof is on you.

Evolution was never about having sex with apes and producing humans.

 

*alienating Cause (someone) to become unsympathetic or hostile

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

IF anyone is an atheist, it just means you haven't proven that your God exists.  By calling everyone a liar and alienating* them, you never will prove it.  The burden of proof is on you.

Evolution was never about having sex with apes and producing humans.

 

*alienating Cause (someone) to become unsympathetic or hostile

the "proof" is not mine to make,  that's above my pay grade.

all my job decription only goes to defending the facts,  whatever that may be.

 that has nothing to do with intellect,  but a change of heart

 

i don't call everyone a liar,  and you know that,  so don't exaggerate the facts of what goes on in here.

but,  when someone does lie,  i will give them a free pass the first time,  and chalk it up to anger.

doing it over and over without a conscience,  and the definition fits.

so,  now that all this came up on your radar,  are you going to deny or confirm that stack purposefully lied in that post where i called him a "liar"?

since when is calling someone out for willful lying a "sin"?

remember,  Jesus wasn't too worried about his rep when He dealt with the 'stacks' of life.

called some of them liars in the gospels.

 

i don't mind you calling me out, i need to be "checked" just like everyone else.

just make sure it's the truth,  and not some side door agaenda job :)

 

so,  what say you about stack?

Piaceri

Wow, really? This thread's still going? All y'all are doing is Argue and Bang Head and Chair. What a bunch of Dupe Alert 

Not even worth the Lurking

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

"When I first read your post I thought of a logical candidate who would eventually go even further off topic by saying something against the Mormon belief."

Oh Man!  PLEASE don't tell me that rdgrnr is now a candidate for President too? ROFL

     ???   What?   ???  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that that was funny. But I don't get it.

Seriously. Maybe you could explain. I'm kinda slow. I appreciate humor and a good joke though.

I must be missing something.  I feel so stupid...      ???   What?   ???

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

IF anyone is an atheist, it just means you haven't proven that your God exists.  By calling everyone a liar and alienating* them, you never will prove it.  The burden of proof is on you.

Evolution was never about having sex with apes and producing humans.

 

*alienating Cause (someone) to become unsympathetic or hostile

"Evolution was never about having sex with apes and producing humans".

 your missing the point

i connected the DNA missing link when i baited the board on the inability for humans to father monkey babies.

somewhere along the line if we "evolved" from apes to humans,  there was that time in history where the sexual component was in place.

the fact that it never was,  negates any possumnobility there ever was ....."a link"

if humans evolved from apes,  that's only possible via sexual relations at some juncture

no one can connect those dots

DNA test anyone ?

can't wait for stack's 'findings"

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

Henry Clay once said "I knew Andy Jackson and rdgrnr is no Andy Jackson"; meaning that Andy was the first Democrat President and from Tennessee.

Just a guess, but rdgrnr is probably far right of the Tea Party so I doubt we'll see many Rdgrnr/Palin bumper stickers in 2012.

Hiding Behind Computer

??? What? ???

No doubt about it, I must be losing my sense of humor.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

Water Proof

Lurking

LMAO.....

time*treat's avatartime*treat

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

Water Proof

My guess is some athiests (and theists, too) will have an "ick" Dead moment, once they find out what happens to the water in whatever they flush. LOL

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

ok four,  here i am,  i gave you my word i would come back tonight and discuss it

i read it,  so in your mind what does it mean,  what impresses you,  or generally,  what motivation did you have in particular by referencing that "study"?

you start,  and i will give you my opinion of it

You take from it whatever you want.
 
Dr Wells traveled to every part of the world and took blood samples from people from all walks of life and every nationality he could find even those from the amazon an inaccessible areas. Through DNA sequencing he discovered we all come from one tribe somewhere in Africa. The cradle of civilization as we all now know.
 
Oddly enough he visited that tribe or what may be remnants of it and the peoples faces and body structures all looked like the nationalizes we are all familiar with, some had Negro jaw structures some had Japanese slant eyes etc, it was amazing to see all those different facial structures in one general population of people.
 
His story and plight for this DNA was broadcast on the discovery and science channel. Our DNA has markers and can be traced.
 
I have a different theory as to where life on the planet possible came from..... how about this might have been penile colony just as America was in the beginning when outcasts, criminals and undesirables were sent here to pave the way for us.
 
The mere fact that god made this universe and put trillions and trillions of planets in it and we are the only intelligent life forms on it is ridiculous.
truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

the "proof" is not mine to make,  that's above my pay grade.

all my job decription only goes to defending the facts,  whatever that may be.

 that has nothing to do with intellect,  but a change of heart

 

i don't call everyone a liar,  and you know that,  so don't exaggerate the facts of what goes on in here.

but,  when someone does lie,  i will give them a free pass the first time,  and chalk it up to anger.

doing it over and over without a conscience,  and the definition fits.

so,  now that all this came up on your radar,  are you going to deny or confirm that stack purposefully lied in that post where i called him a "liar"?

since when is calling someone out for willful lying a "sin"?

remember,  Jesus wasn't too worried about his rep when He dealt with the 'stacks' of life.

called some of them liars in the gospels.

 

i don't mind you calling me out, i need to be "checked" just like everyone else.

just make sure it's the truth,  and not some side door agaenda job :)

 

so,  what say you about stack?

"i don't call everyone a liar"

It wasn't meant to be literal.

"so,  what say you about stack?"

I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member.  If we didn't already cover that ground, I would do it - but no sense starting another war of words here.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 24, 2011

You take from it whatever you want.
 
Dr Wells traveled to every part of the world and took blood samples from people from all walks of life and every nationality he could find even those from the amazon an inaccessible areas. Through DNA sequencing he discovered we all come from one tribe somewhere in Africa. The cradle of civilization as we all now know.
 
Oddly enough he visited that tribe or what may be remnants of it and the peoples faces and body structures all looked like the nationalizes we are all familiar with, some had Negro jaw structures some had Japanese slant eyes etc, it was amazing to see all those different facial structures in one general population of people.
 
His story and plight for this DNA was broadcast on the discovery and science channel. Our DNA has markers and can be traced.
 
I have a different theory as to where life on the planet possible came from..... how about this might have been penile colony just as America was in the beginning when outcasts, criminals and undesirables were sent here to pave the way for us.
 
The mere fact that god made this universe and put trillions and trillions of planets in it and we are the only intelligent life forms on it is ridiculous.

my take from it goes like this....

it's true that ALL human beings would have a DNA marker pointing to an original origin. 

that would favor the biblical account of creation.

however,  wells steals the biblical account,  and attempts to make it his own,  by naming his last traceable human "adam".

now,  his reference is highjacking in nature,  in order to discredit the biblical account,  but also because 'adam' is a purposeful reference to a beginning.

if one reads between the lines on wells accounting,  it goes back approx 60,000 years (by HIS estimate),  but instead of stopping there,  wells alludes to people who lived prior to his "adam".

so if i read it right,  wells has no idea WHERE the origin is,  but says he does, and is still in hypothesizing mode

none of that gels with his alleged "discovery"

didn't the same dr wellls state there were evolutionary forms of humans some 5 million years ago too?

even on that scale of addition,  dr wells has a HUGE  gap to fill of 60,000 years to 5 million years

even within an evolutionary explanation, there wasn't just one magical day in history where an ape finally became a man,  and dr wells would have to go back in history far enough to find "that man",  plus he would have to make the same DNA "link" on apes that currently connected apes and humans

i wonder why the dr well's of science don't do DNA linking experimentation on apes? 

scientists won't go anywhere near that

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 24, 2011

You take from it whatever you want.
 
Dr Wells traveled to every part of the world and took blood samples from people from all walks of life and every nationality he could find even those from the amazon an inaccessible areas. Through DNA sequencing he discovered we all come from one tribe somewhere in Africa. The cradle of civilization as we all now know.
 
Oddly enough he visited that tribe or what may be remnants of it and the peoples faces and body structures all looked like the nationalizes we are all familiar with, some had Negro jaw structures some had Japanese slant eyes etc, it was amazing to see all those different facial structures in one general population of people.
 
His story and plight for this DNA was broadcast on the discovery and science channel. Our DNA has markers and can be traced.
 
I have a different theory as to where life on the planet possible came from..... how about this might have been penile colony just as America was in the beginning when outcasts, criminals and undesirables were sent here to pave the way for us.
 
The mere fact that god made this universe and put trillions and trillions of planets in it and we are the only intelligent life forms on it is ridiculous.

"The mere fact that god made this universe and put trillions and trillions of planets in it and we are the only intelligent life forms on it is ridiculous".

 why? 

it would be congruent with God surpassing our ability to understand the why's of everything He does,   but i don't have a problem with a vast universe that is uninhabited by man or another "creation".

seems pretty logical to me that He would.

who knows,  maybe He did it for self entertainment purposes,  or He didn't it to demonstrate in an observable / measureable way that He can create something as grandiose as fits His whim

in not much into the astronomy thing,  but it astounds my wife to look at a star filled sky,  it's vastness and majesty,  and it trips Her out that she has a relationship with the one who created it.

we get caught up in measuring God thru our capacitative thinking.

if we can wrap our head around it,  then yeah,  it "makes sense" and now i accept it.

people miss out on so much of who God is,  and what He is capable of relationally to us via that limited mindset.

for me,  i never fail to measure possibilities by anything other than what God has said in His word about it,  if He said anything at all.

so for me in this case,  the go-to is collective biblical reasoning,  and like i said,  there is zero mention of another inhabited planet,  or civilization besides us.

no other mention of anyone while you and i are on this earth,  or once we leave it

do i care if i have "distant cousins"?     

 no.   i just don't even see a hint of it in scripture

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

my take from it goes like this....

it's true that ALL human beings would have a DNA marker pointing to an original origin. 

that would favor the biblical account of creation.

however,  wells steals the biblical account,  and attempts to make it his own,  by naming his last traceable human "adam".

now,  his reference is highjacking in nature,  in order to discredit the biblical account,  but also because 'adam' is a purposeful reference to a beginning.

if one reads between the lines on wells accounting,  it goes back approx 60,000 years (by HIS estimate),  but instead of stopping there,  wells alludes to people who lived prior to his "adam".

so if i read it right,  wells has no idea WHERE the origin is,  but says he does, and is still in hypothesizing mode

none of that gels with his alleged "discovery"

didn't the same dr wellls state there were evolutionary forms of humans some 5 million years ago too?

even on that scale of addition,  dr wells has a HUGE  gap to fill of 60,000 years to 5 million years

even within an evolutionary explanation, there wasn't just one magical day in history where an ape finally became a man,  and dr wells would have to go back in history far enough to find "that man",  plus he would have to make the same DNA "link" on apes that currently connected apes and humans

i wonder why the dr well's of science don't do DNA linking experimentation on apes? 

scientists won't go anywhere near that

The bible says that God formed Adam from the dust of the earth.  Maybe evolution is just one of

his methods.  Adam was the start of modern man.  The world was already populated when Adam

was made according to the bible.  Even the Church has undergon many changes in it's very short life.

Who were all the men that Cain was afraid would kill him once he was outcast.

 

14: Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid;

and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth

me shall slay me.


15: And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. 

And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

"i don't call everyone a liar"

It wasn't meant to be literal.

"so,  what say you about stack?"

I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member.  If we didn't already cover that ground, I would do it - but no sense starting another war of words here.

this is what i mean.

you guys just play underhanded games for the sole purpose of discrediting someone,  and serve it up with kum by ya flavoring

stack straight up lied about me,  and has lied about me numerous times,  and yet you said nothing  to him about it.

why,  because you favor stack's position over mine,  and your one of those people that pick "people" over the truth.

i see,  observing someone lying IS ok,  so long as it's in line with your beliefs.

but saying something,  when someone called someone else a "liar" is acceptable.

your fading in and out of good cop, bad cop .....and you need to make up your mind

 

"I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member".

 that's a garbage cop out,  and you know it.

 

you chose to skip right past doing the right thing

 

you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me.

not only lied about me,  but my family.

how do you people live with yourselves anyway ?

make up your mind about who you are for once

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 24, 2011

The bible says that God formed Adam from the dust of the earth.  Maybe evolution is just one of

his methods.  Adam was the start of modern man.  The world was already populated when Adam

was made according to the bible.  Even the Church has undergon many changes in it's very short life.

Who were all the men that Cain was afraid would kill him once he was outcast.

 

14: Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid;

and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth

me shall slay me.


15: And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. 

And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

(1) it would greatly depend on what YOUR version of "evolution" means

(2) the world wasn't populated by any form of "man" prior to adam,  because if you factor in the evolution of man before adam,  there would still be that "half human / half monkey" thing going,  and Jesus Christ would have had to include a reference to "those people",  when speaking of the atonment of mankind.

what,  they  (the ones you insinuate lived prior to adam)  didn't quite qualify?

 

whenever Christ spoke of the beginning of creation of mankind,  He only mentions adam.

Jesus Christ never mentions anything  pre adam,  and if there were,  He wouldn't refer to adam as His "first creation",  humanly speaking.

there were no "almosts",  or hybrids that didn't quite make it in the baking process.

so nope,  and Jesus Christ stated before adam it was only the Triune God and the angels

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

this is what i mean.

you guys just play underhanded games for the sole purpose of discrediting someone,  and serve it up with kum by ya flavoring

stack straight up lied about me,  and has lied about me numerous times,  and yet you said nothing  to him about it.

why,  because you favor stack's position over mine,  and your one of those people that pick "people" over the truth.

i see,  observing someone lying IS ok,  so long as it's in line with your beliefs.

but saying something,  when someone called someone else a "liar" is acceptable.

your fading in and out of good cop, bad cop .....and you need to make up your mind

 

"I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member".

 that's a garbage cop out,  and you know it.

 

you chose to skip right past doing the right thing

 

you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me.

not only lied about me,  but my family.

how do you people live with yourselves anyway ?

make up your mind about who you are for once

You cannot get the truth from a liberal.

It's not in them.

It's a defect in the brain.

What they will give you everytime is what they want to be the truth.

That's their nature.

It took me a long time to accept that.

I'm a slow learner.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 25, 2011

You cannot get the truth from a liberal.

It's not in them.

It's a defect in the brain.

What they will give you everytime is what they want to be the truth.

That's their nature.

It took me a long time to accept that.

I'm a slow learner.

what's sickening is the guy thinks he is good at selling it via the "innocent" angle.

like make up your mind,  are you going to play nice,  or are you going to think your going to play these little underhanded games and get away with it.

it must be some sort of defect,   because these guys know i will fly swat them when they attempt it everytime.

i could care less if they disagree or post opposing opinions,  just don't think you are going to mess with me that way,  and not pay your own personal price for attempting it.

if there is one talent i do have in life,  it's highlighting who people REALLY are.

or in these cases "aren't".

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

"The mere fact that god made this universe and put trillions and trillions of planets in it and we are the only intelligent life forms on it is ridiculous".

 why? 

it would be congruent with God surpassing our ability to understand the why's of everything He does,   but i don't have a problem with a vast universe that is uninhabited by man or another "creation".

seems pretty logical to me that He would.

who knows,  maybe He did it for self entertainment purposes,  or He didn't it to demonstrate in an observable / measureable way that He can create something as grandiose as fits His whim

in not much into the astronomy thing,  but it astounds my wife to look at a star filled sky,  it's vastness and majesty,  and it trips Her out that she has a relationship with the one who created it.

we get caught up in measuring God thru our capacitative thinking.

if we can wrap our head around it,  then yeah,  it "makes sense" and now i accept it.

people miss out on so much of who God is,  and what He is capable of relationally to us via that limited mindset.

for me,  i never fail to measure possibilities by anything other than what God has said in His word about it,  if He said anything at all.

so for me in this case,  the go-to is collective biblical reasoning,  and like i said,  there is zero mention of another inhabited planet,  or civilization besides us.

no other mention of anyone while you and i are on this earth,  or once we leave it

do i care if i have "distant cousins"?     

 no.   i just don't even see a hint of it in scripture

god is an entity a supreme being from an existence we have no knowledge of other than what we call heaven which is possible the universe, who created god or is he his own creation. How did he create himself from what life form or chemical is he made of is he the light and the truth without substance or shape what elements of this space and time.

Seems to me he gave us intelligence to come to some conclusion as to who or what he is. To seek out every aspect of who we are and where we came from.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 24, 2011

"i don't call everyone a liar"

It wasn't meant to be literal.

"so,  what say you about stack?"

I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member.  If we didn't already cover that ground, I would do it - but no sense starting another war of words here.

"...no sense starting another warof words here."

 

Yeah, I'd guess you'd be tired of wars of words.

You have them going on in your mind all the time.

The truth - and what you want to be the truth.

But with you, the latter one always wins.

Reasonable people call the result of that decision - a lie.

But you're not reasonable, you're a liberal.

And it is your nature to lie.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Jun 25, 2011

god is an entity a supreme being from an existence we have no knowledge of other than what we call heaven which is possible the universe, who created god or is he his own creation. How did he create himself from what life form or chemical is he made of is he the light and the truth without substance or shape what elements of this space and time.

Seems to me he gave us intelligence to come to some conclusion as to who or what he is. To seek out every aspect of who we are and where we came from.

44ME

I agree perty much,  I know that the bible says life begin in the sea first and then land.

Evolution says the same thing.   God did not create the sun and moon until the forth day

so I don't think a day in that regard had anything to do with 24 hours.  The first day could

have been millions of years in our time.   I do believe in God but I don't think he got down 

on his knees and scoped up some dirt to make adam.  He formed Adam from the dust of the

earth.  The bible makes clear that we are earthen vessels and the body is the storage place

of life.  I think that even if my body was a product of evolution the real me was a direct action

of GOD.  I don't have any problems with evolution except when it is used to say there is no

God.   Everything natural will pass away, even this earthen body I live in and will return to dust.

The part that remains is the real McCoy and if we think about that part then the body is nothing

more than a garment we wear.  Keep it as clean as you can out of respect but from dust to dust

ashes to ashes.

 

RL

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

"What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games."

VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of. It doesn't matter what you really said because he will continue on as if you never said it. Discussion is useless with anyone that lies about what you actually said and hypocritically brags about their integrity.

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite. I don't know if he's just plain ignorant or it's just a very weird style of debate, but either way I haven't seen anyone give him any credibility so why waste your time?

"There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason."

There is evidence some species of animals and plants have adapted over time to changes in environment and climates but there is also evidence that similar species existing under the same circumstances became extinct. Adaption or "survival of the fittest" is probably a better way of explaining than a new specie evolved from extinct older species.

We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

It's so refreshing to have a decent dialogue with an intelligent person like you. And I'm not saying this because you agree with me. Not to mention the fact that the latter quote above helped me understand a little better, how to preceive the missing link and the related styles of investigations, in a new manner never before thought by me. Richard Dawkins talks about this issue quite often. His explanations are interesting too.

Thanx fo the heads up...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 25, 2011

It's so refreshing to have a decent dialogue with an intelligent person like you. And I'm not saying this because you agree with me. Not to mention the fact that the latter quote above helped me understand a little better, how to preceive the missing link and the related styles of investigations, in a new manner never before thought by me. Richard Dawkins talks about this issue quite often. His explanations are interesting too.

Thanx fo the heads up...

So does this mean you're not a Spacemonkey anymore?

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 24, 2011

"What you like to do is play semantics and twist words to attempt to make me look bad, but in actuality, it proves you know nothing about the subjects at hand, so in order to save face, you play these word games."

VD never knows what the subject is so he just interjects whatever nonsense he can think of. It doesn't matter what you really said because he will continue on as if you never said it. Discussion is useless with anyone that lies about what you actually said and hypocritically brags about their integrity.

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite. I don't know if he's just plain ignorant or it's just a very weird style of debate, but either way I haven't seen anyone give him any credibility so why waste your time?

"There's much more evidence that clearly shows evolution, but you don't want to talk about that for a good reason."

There is evidence some species of animals and plants have adapted over time to changes in environment and climates but there is also evidence that similar species existing under the same circumstances became extinct. Adaption or "survival of the fittest" is probably a better way of explaining than a new specie evolved from extinct older species.

We know that "Lucy" existed but without any missing link, we can't say modern man evolved from that species when we know it's possible modern man could have adapted to whatever caused "Lucy's" species to become extinct. Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals are species that probably shared an ancestor with modern man but none with "Lucy".

We all have cro-Magnum DNA, They have not been able to find anyone with Neanderthal Dna, They have found crossbred remains, but they didn't live very long. The Neaderthals are a different species of human and they were here long before Cro-magnum and Lucy, their origin...France...Lucy is considered modern human.

four4me

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 25, 2011

44ME

I agree perty much,  I know that the bible says life begin in the sea first and then land.

Evolution says the same thing.   God did not create the sun and moon until the forth day

so I don't think a day in that regard had anything to do with 24 hours.  The first day could

have been millions of years in our time.   I do believe in God but I don't think he got down 

on his knees and scoped up some dirt to make adam.  He formed Adam from the dust of the

earth.  The bible makes clear that we are earthen vessels and the body is the storage place

of life.  I think that even if my body was a product of evolution the real me was a direct action

of GOD.  I don't have any problems with evolution except when it is used to say there is no

God.   Everything natural will pass away, even this earthen body I live in and will return to dust.

The part that remains is the real McCoy and if we think about that part then the body is nothing

more than a garment we wear.  Keep it as clean as you can out of respect but from dust to dust

ashes to ashes.

 

RL

my post was for visiondude and not for you... how it ended up in a reply to you is a mystery to me sorry.

joker17

Bacteria to Apes....Richard Dawkins...

From Ape to Man is relatively a short time, like 5 million years as Dawkins states in the video below, and can be processed by the contemporary brain. However, from a bacteria to an ape, it's hard for the human mind to envision such a slow change, so the intermediate changes are not conceivable yet existed. One very well known species is the "Mudskipper Fish" It's a fish that uses it's pectoril fins to walk on land below in the video below the Richar Dawkins video. HELLO...

 

 

 

MUDSKIPPER VIDEO BELOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I liked your Spacemonkey story better.

I wish you'd pick one story and stick with it though.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

44me

Just adding my 2 cents worth, thought it was a open forum. 

RL

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 25, 2011

44ME

I agree perty much,  I know that the bible says life begin in the sea first and then land.

Evolution says the same thing.   God did not create the sun and moon until the forth day

so I don't think a day in that regard had anything to do with 24 hours.  The first day could

have been millions of years in our time.   I do believe in God but I don't think he got down 

on his knees and scoped up some dirt to make adam.  He formed Adam from the dust of the

earth.  The bible makes clear that we are earthen vessels and the body is the storage place

of life.  I think that even if my body was a product of evolution the real me was a direct action

of GOD.  I don't have any problems with evolution except when it is used to say there is no

God.   Everything natural will pass away, even this earthen body I live in and will return to dust.

The part that remains is the real McCoy and if we think about that part then the body is nothing

more than a garment we wear.  Keep it as clean as you can out of respect but from dust to dust

ashes to ashes.

 

RL

Life began in the sea?   And how is that, RL ?

You say you don't believe God scooped up some dirt to make  Adam,
But then you say he created him from the dust of the ground?

joker17

I'd like to also add , often humans tend to forget that their Ideals originate from where they grew up. A Buddhist is probably debating a Jew right now as we speak. Or a Muslim on some forum is debating with a Christian about how correct he is. Maybe it's a New Age person arguing with a Mormon. It's all dependant on where you were raised. The first 3 years of your life are the most important. This time span is where the molding process occurs, and the brain is making neurological connections at lightning speeds. This is the phase where the foundation of your overall outlook on anything is determined, and that is why it should be crucial at this stage to make sure the brain is presented with many viewpoints.

Of course in the real world this rarely happens. Most of the time, even though a lot of different stimuli are presented simultaneously, a common thread is unconsciously picked up by the child's brain and permanently imprinted to make up the slack, that is, If the person is not open-minded. If not, it defaults back to being brainwashed. 

Dependant on many variables, the aging child can either accept them as reality, or through time and self awareness, step back and take a double take.

In my case, it's been overwhelmingly obvious that there is nothing written in stone. Even the current knowledge is always changing, so it's a never ending process. To proclaim a religion to be the right one out of the thousands is not only ludicrous but delusional.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 25, 2011

Life began in the sea?   And how is that, RL ?

You say you don't believe God scooped up some dirt to make  Adam,
But then you say he created him from the dust of the ground?

fifth day

20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Sixth day

24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

every living thing on earth is made from the dust or particles, nutrients, ect.....  all which could be called dust

The instructions "And God said"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 25, 2011

Bacteria to Apes....Richard Dawkins...

From Ape to Man is relatively a short time, like 5 million years as Dawkins states in the video below, and can be processed by the contemporary brain. However, from a bacteria to an ape, it's hard for the human mind to envision such a slow change, so the intermediate changes are not conceivable yet existed. One very well known species is the "Mudskipper Fish" It's a fish that uses it's pectoril fins to walk on land below in the video below the Richar Dawkins video. HELLO...

 

 

 

MUDSKIPPER VIDEO BELOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Sweet, Richard dawkins is a person you can actually contact.

Since you are "unwilling" to hop the fence at the local zoo, and dawkins blows more smoke  than just about anybody, maybe HE will invite himself into the silverback gorilla exhibit, and after an amorous Exchange, he can get us all those DNA "results" we long for.

Email him,  and ask him why there is no DNA link between humans and ANY sub species of apes.

Even on the planet of the apes

That guy makes up stuff DAILY.

do like that little skipperfish feller.   Another one of "Gods curveballs"...

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 25, 2011

I liked your Spacemonkey story better.

I wish you'd pick one story and stick with it though.

I know,  I think we should all place bets as to what it will be next week.

It would be different if the guy noted he was "searching",  but every dizzying theory this guy sprays the board with he swears up and down its the "truth".

"Hard evidence"... lol

Notice how the "aliens" went missing tonight on his certainty hit parade?

Tonight its bacteria into "man",  and cute little mudskipperfish.

What's up tomorrow night as "proof" ?

Richard dawkins would return jokers membership fee's, if joker mentioned anything about aliens ONCE.

I told you, the guy sprays wildly

Searching for the truth = cool

Saying 50 different theories ARE "truth" =  angst driven delusion

joker17

Another point I'd like to make. Every rational thing we do to keep us away from harm is reliant on logic, intuition, luck, and many other similar traits or factors to help us survive a hectic world. Variations of logic which are mentioned in the previous sentence pave the way for the decisions we make.

Examples: LOGIC: Don't put your hands over a hot flame. ........Don't jump from a very high place without a parachute.........Don't dive into a deep ocean without an oxygen tank, and learn how to rise safely to avoid the bends, Don't put your arm in a hungry shark's mouth, cross the street after looking both ways, drive your car with focus, bend your fingers inwards when chopping onions, and so on.

But why does religion take a backseat to logic? It should be part of the same scrutiny we put everything else through in our lives.

Logic tells you that you have to set the alarm to the desired time in order to wake up accordingly. There are no guesses as to what has to be done. No conjecture, or haggling. It's a precise act to follow based on LOGIC.

 Surely there are things in life to which I can attest to that don't follow logic, but my response to that isn't a definite outcome. Just because something isn't explained away by science doesn't mean that by default it proves God was involved. Life don't work that way Charlie....Life is full of infinite possiblities. Quantum physics demonsatrates this in every aspect of our lives. Unexplained phenomenon is what makes life interesting. To proclaim life means this or that based on so and so is limiting mental growth.

There are too many gray areas. Nothing is written in stone.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 25, 2011

fifth day

20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Sixth day

24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

every living thing on earth is made from the dust or particles, nutrients, ect.....  all which could be called dust

The instructions "And God said"

actually, according to the genesis account,  in chronological order,   life began first on land in the form of vegetation.  (gen 1 :11, on the 3rd day)

then at the exact same time,  God created sea life AND the birds of the air.

  so not to split hairs except for the defense of always making accurate statements what the bible actually teaches,  "life" did not begin in the sea.  (on the 5th day)

on the 6th day,  he created a dizzying hybrid consisting of 1/3 cro magnon man,  1/3 neanderthal,  1/3 richard dawkins look-a-like,  1/3 silverback gorilla,  and because God has a sense of humor,  1/3rd alien

and,  because He knew that man is selfish and never satisified,   he saved the little mudskipperfish for a later date with His "detractors".

joker17

We are our own creators of reality. Qunatum Physics.

Every invention known today, was not know 100 years ago, but IT WAS HERE IN  POTENTIAL EXISTENCE ALL THE TIME, we simply weren't aware of it. Every idea exists in the present and future. Everything is here right now. It just needs to be learned, or made aware of.

In the realm we are living, ALL potential possibilities exist simultaneously as we speak. Everything you need to know is right in front of you. Every math equation, every solution to a puzzle, every outcome to a situation, has the potential of coming into existence, only if the situation presents itself to allow it. So basically, every action is met with a response of some kind. Therefore, If living things didn't exist, the universe itself wouldn't exist. It's a personal thing. As Einstein stated, it's relative to the OBSERVER. This is why the doppler effect of a train going by sounds different ot another person satnding in a different location. It's all relative to the observer.

Now imagine there were no observers. There would be no one to explain how the universe looks like because there isn't anything alive to describe it......Make sense?

The inanimate Universe unwittingly, or wittingly created living things in order to look back in on itself. It seems that given enough time, even an inanimate universe can create something so it can look itself in the mirror through our eyes, and see itself in wonderment.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 25, 2011

I'd like to also add , often humans tend to forget that their Ideals originate from where they grew up. A Buddhist is probably debating a Jew right now as we speak. Or a Muslim on some forum is debating with a Christian about how correct he is. Maybe it's a New Age person arguing with a Mormon. It's all dependant on where you were raised. The first 3 years of your life are the most important. This time span is where the molding process occurs, and the brain is making neurological connections at lightning speeds. This is the phase where the foundation of your overall outlook on anything is determined, and that is why it should be crucial at this stage to make sure the brain is presented with many viewpoints.

Of course in the real world this rarely happens. Most of the time, even though a lot of different stimuli are presented simultaneously, a common thread is unconsciously picked up by the child's brain and permanently imprinted to make up the slack, that is, If the person is not open-minded. If not, it defaults back to being brainwashed. 

Dependant on many variables, the aging child can either accept them as reality, or through time and self awareness, step back and take a double take.

In my case, it's been overwhelmingly obvious that there is nothing written in stone. Even the current knowledge is always changing, so it's a never ending process. To proclaim a religion to be the right one out of the thousands is not only ludicrous but delusional.

" To proclaim a religion to be the right one out of the thousands is not only ludicrous but delusional".

 you should talk.

you changed turncoats just in this thread more times than any us care to go back thru the thread to count.

like i said,  if you had prefaced your offerings as theories or maybe's,   then you wouldn't have dug yourself into the black hole of philosophical pits.

speaking of which,  that reminds me,   you alluded to some "big bang" deal at some other time.

who can count anymore.

probably coming up on equaling that hit list you posted on world religions

maybe that's your goal

anyway,  i am with ridge.       

that alien probing the monkey scenario,  and turning into the geico man,  no way your besting that beauty.

i also observed how telling it is that after you posted that rediculous alien slamalamadingdong thing,  that no one else besides ridge and me took you to the philosophical boards on that one.

God can't be real,  that's just a "fantasy".

but aliens giving monkey's the monkey business,  and that's how we came to be........that's 'acceptable'

tells alot about the reading audience,  and what drives their decision making in these matters.

it's the usual.    people picking people and agenda,   over truth

i never do that,  so it's no mystery why i am not the most popular guy at LP

telling the truth no matter what,  isn't exactly the superhighway to mr popularity land.

 

all i want to know is how the first conversation went with the alien and the monkey,   you know,  that initial awkward moment where the alien tries to convince the geico man that it really isn't gonna hurt Green laugh

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 25, 2011

We are our own creators of reality. Qunatum Physics.

Every invention known today, was not know 100 years ago, but IT WAS HERE IN  POTENTIAL EXISTENCE ALL THE TIME, we simply weren't aware of it. Every idea exists in the present and future. Everything is here right now. It just needs to be learned, or made aware of.

In the realm we are living, ALL potential possibilities exist simultaneously as we speak. Everything you need to know is right in front of you. Every math equation, every solution to a puzzle, every outcome to a situation, has the potential of coming into existence, only if the situation presents itself to allow it. So basically, every action is met with a response of some kind. Therefore, If living things didn't exist, the universe itself wouldn't exist. It's a personal thing. As Einstein stated, it's relative to the OBSERVER. This is why the doppler effect of a train going by sounds different ot another person satnding in a different location. It's all relative to the observer.

Now imagine there were no observers. There would be no one to explain how the universe looks like because there isn't anything alive to describe it......Make sense?

The inanimate Universe unwittingly, or wittingly created living things in order to look back in on itself. It seems that given enough time, even an inanimate universe can create something so it can look itself in the mirror through our eyes, and see itself in wonderment.

ummmmm,  while speed reading thru the whole thing,  there was no mention of evolution now,  and nothing about aliens.

we know by past dealings with you that this quantum rediculousness isn't something new,  this is just a reboot from your oldies hits.

what's on tap for tomorrow from you?

how about a sneak preview,  so i can wikipedia it to smithereens

me,  i am still looking for that 'hard evidence" you said you had back about 20 pages ago

and worse,  'quantum physics' negates God out of the equation entirely.

first you say you are searching for God,   followed by this stuff

what's next,  selling your soul to justin bieber ?

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Two different events,  Look at the order in the first and compare.   I can't belive that the writer

could get this confused on the same page.   I think that the life on earth was kick started and 

left to evolve.   Modifications were made from time to time until the product reached a certain

point at which time Adam was formed from this "dust of the earth."   Scientist have managed

to duplicate the building blocks of life minus the instructions.   All life on earth seems to have come

from the same set of plans with a few variations of configuration which are common in design.

When I build something new or write another program I use parts from many old projects,  most

people who know my work would have no problem identifying me as the author.  Even old pecies

of funiture built hundreds of years ago can be linked to the builder because people develop a style

of doing things.  Because all life on earth seems to have a very common relationship then I would think

that the same designer had a hand in them all.             

 

RL

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 24, 2011

this is what i mean.

you guys just play underhanded games for the sole purpose of discrediting someone,  and serve it up with kum by ya flavoring

stack straight up lied about me,  and has lied about me numerous times,  and yet you said nothing  to him about it.

why,  because you favor stack's position over mine,  and your one of those people that pick "people" over the truth.

i see,  observing someone lying IS ok,  so long as it's in line with your beliefs.

but saying something,  when someone called someone else a "liar" is acceptable.

your fading in and out of good cop, bad cop .....and you need to make up your mind

 

"I'd have to bring up some undesireable comments about you in order to answer any questions about another member".

 that's a garbage cop out,  and you know it.

 

you chose to skip right past doing the right thing

 

you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me.

not only lied about me,  but my family.

how do you people live with yourselves anyway ?

make up your mind about who you are for once

"you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me."

"you chose to skip right past doing the right thing"

 

The Right Thing.

Just what is the "right" thing.  To me the right thing was to not give you my opinion of stuff posted by Stack.  At a different time, like in another thread, the right thing to do would have been to tell you.  This thread will never be settled and there is no sense adding a lot more extraneous stuff to it.   Do I ask you what you think of ridge calling everyone his two all time favorites: lib or queer/ and also every other smear he posts?  Never have.  My opinion on that is that he helps carry you through this thread where you would be vastly outnumbered.  But I don't think you are hardly like him at all.  And I don't think you agree with his name calling.  Only reason he hasn't called you names is because you are more or less, partners - some time in the future you might not be in agreement.  That "Don't tread on me (with the picture of a rattlesnake)" attitude that he has is his personality.  A rattlesnake don't care if you and he are partners here - one day when you aren't, he'll strike. That is how snakes are.

You make things extremely difficult. You setup things so no one can win. Then you attack (in this case you attack me - based on your judgment of what you want to hear). Had I offered a different answer, you would have attacked that also. I turn right, you say that is wrong. I turn left, you say that is wrong. I stand still, you say that is wrong. No one can win. You won't allow them to win, even when everything they say points to being the right answer. You'll argue with facts only when necessary. Otherwise you argue that people are telling lies. 

First off, your opinion about things Stack said and my opinion do not agree.  Therfore to not fan the fires more at this stage of this thread, I refused to give you a blow by blow account of what I think.  I still think THAT was the right thing to do.

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jun 25, 2011

We all have cro-Magnum DNA, They have not been able to find anyone with Neanderthal Dna, They have found crossbred remains, but they didn't live very long. The Neaderthals are a different species of human and they were here long before Cro-magnum and Lucy, their origin...France...Lucy is considered modern human.

Red Haired Neanderthal

Neanderthal genome - our red-headed,

muscle-bound siblings live on within us.

Fascinating discoveries recently shed new light on the Neanderthal – researchers have sequenced the Neanderthal genome – we now know exactly what differs and what is the same between them and modern day humans.  Not surprisingly, there are some major commonalities.  Now we know that Humans and Neanderthals interbred to some degree.  Today, there remains a part of Homo neanderthalensis which lives on in Homo sapiens.

Click here to read all about it (more pictures too!)

http://www.examiner.com/freethought-in-philadelphia/neanderthal-genome-our-red-headed-muscle-bound-siblings-live-on-within-us

P.S. Cro-Magnons coexisted with Neanderthals for about 10,000 years in Europe.


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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 25, 2011

Red Haired Neanderthal

Neanderthal genome - our red-headed,

muscle-bound siblings live on within us.

Fascinating discoveries recently shed new light on the Neanderthal – researchers have sequenced the Neanderthal genome – we now know exactly what differs and what is the same between them and modern day humans.  Not surprisingly, there are some major commonalities.  Now we know that Humans and Neanderthals interbred to some degree.  Today, there remains a part of Homo neanderthalensis which lives on in Homo sapiens.

Click here to read all about it (more pictures too!)

http://www.examiner.com/freethought-in-philadelphia/neanderthal-genome-our-red-headed-muscle-bound-siblings-live-on-within-us

P.S. Cro-Magnons coexisted with Neanderthals for about 10,000 years in Europe.


cool thanks..

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

I thought about you guys when I saw this on youtube.  Do You Believe in God?

truecritic's avatartruecritic

Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on Jun 25, 2011

I thought about you guys when I saw this on youtube.  Do You Believe in God?

First, gotta admit, "he" sure is animated! ROFL

I think he is right.  I've never posted my religious belief on the net because I feel it is private.  If I was running for public office, then that would be a different story.   Some here have made judgment calls but they are only guessing to serve their own purposes.

Tenaj's avatarTenaj

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

First, gotta admit, "he" sure is animated! ROFL

I think he is right.  I've never posted my religious belief on the net because I feel it is private.  If I was running for public office, then that would be a different story.   Some here have made judgment calls but they are only guessing to serve their own purposes.

But it is not private, Trucritic, or hidden from anyone.  Religious belief or lack of it, is visual and exposed to everyone in everything we do. 

A person doesn't need to tell or talk about what they believe in, it shows in their love for other people, common good, what they talk about, how they act, how they handle problems, and how much fear they have in their life. 

It's about love.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

"you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me."

"you chose to skip right past doing the right thing"

 

The Right Thing.

Just what is the "right" thing.  To me the right thing was to not give you my opinion of stuff posted by Stack.  At a different time, like in another thread, the right thing to do would have been to tell you.  This thread will never be settled and there is no sense adding a lot more extraneous stuff to it.   Do I ask you what you think of ridge calling everyone his two all time favorites: lib or queer/ and also every other smear he posts?  Never have.  My opinion on that is that he helps carry you through this thread where you would be vastly outnumbered.  But I don't think you are hardly like him at all.  And I don't think you agree with his name calling.  Only reason he hasn't called you names is because you are more or less, partners - some time in the future you might not be in agreement.  That "Don't tread on me (with the picture of a rattlesnake)" attitude that he has is his personality.  A rattlesnake don't care if you and he are partners here - one day when you aren't, he'll strike. That is how snakes are.

You make things extremely difficult. You setup things so no one can win. Then you attack (in this case you attack me - based on your judgment of what you want to hear). Had I offered a different answer, you would have attacked that also. I turn right, you say that is wrong. I turn left, you say that is wrong. I stand still, you say that is wrong. No one can win. You won't allow them to win, even when everything they say points to being the right answer. You'll argue with facts only when necessary. Otherwise you argue that people are telling lies. 

First off, your opinion about things Stack said and my opinion do not agree.  Therfore to not fan the fires more at this stage of this thread, I refused to give you a blow by blow account of what I think.  I still think THAT was the right thing to do.

well,  it's not like i expected you to own it, because guys like you don't.

in the several threads were you and i have maintained positions,  you the one that came after me first.

all i was doing is what i always do,  giving my unpollitically correct opinion about the subject matter,  and then when guys like you don't like that my opinion challenges yours,  you launch into a personal assault.

but you,  your a different breed,  you do it via the "nice guy" underhanded route

your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks, and when i wouldn't,  you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on.

like i noted,  it's an attempt by you to marginalize someone with whom they disagree,  and i won't allow anyone to bully me into intimidation land.      underhanded version or otherwise

you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion

that won't ever happen,  and so guys like you get "speacail treatment"

like i said,  stack lying purposefully about me is ok,  because well,  it's against me.   but your essence in here is once again highlighted because you refused to call that what it is.

no,  i don't agree with ridge calling people names.   ridge and i agree on most things,  and i like his not take any garbage off of people stand,  but no,  name calling is unnecessary.   even though ridge is fed up with wonderful people like you,  and i understand why he would be,  his name calling is beneath him

so you see,  that's how you pick truth over people

the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is.

you?    you turn it around in your "innocent act" washing machine,  and hang it on the clothsline for a later date.

you bring this stuff on yourself,  by coming after me,  when there are other people you could have given your "behavioral speech" too first.   shoot,  i would have been satisfied that you play fair in life if you had gone after just one person other than me that favors your position.

now that i think about it,  joker is the nastiest poster at LP.  calls perfectiming a "dumbass".

since your such the "behavioral police",   wwere where you on that one?

full circle lets us know you have never said squat to joker ever about his comments, etc.

so take a hike truecritic.  your agenda is clear.   you could have muted it while you had the chance.

cracks me up though,  your "nice guy" act and all.

i come after people like you to keep you in check,  so that guys like you don't think there is ever going to come a time where you can marginalize a voice like mine.

the difference between a guy like you,  and a guy like me?

there are quite a few people in here with whom i disagree,  do you see me pulling a truecritic move,  and going after them using the exact same tactics you use?    not quite my altruistic actor

i only make sure i give people like you the "special treatment",   when their ego pretends to think they can relegate me into marginalized land

that second paragraph of yours is a perfect example of how underhanded your attempt is.

i set people up to win, because i give them every chance to back up stuff they say.  i am really good at setting that scenario up.   it isn't my fault that when they get that chance,  they can't close their own deal,  so quit your insution flavored lie i "bully people".

i am nice and respectful out of the gate,  but when someone starts to play me,  then i match their effort with my little highlight lamp

you don't get the luxury of "nice visiondude" because you keep playing these cheap underhanded games.

you had that chance when you started acting nice after posting help to me about posting pics.

wasn't long after that,  it was back to your truecritic colors

"First off, your opinion about things Stack said and my opinion do not agree"

 yeah,  ain't that the truth,  and now we all know why.    lying is perfectly acceptable,  and totally high fived by you,  so long as the person doing it is in agreement with your position in life.

cut the two faced innocent act.      it's a disgusting display

what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post

you put out the welcome mat,  i didn't

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

"you don't have the guts to address the fact that stack purposefully lied about me."

"you chose to skip right past doing the right thing"

 

The Right Thing.

Just what is the "right" thing.  To me the right thing was to not give you my opinion of stuff posted by Stack.  At a different time, like in another thread, the right thing to do would have been to tell you.  This thread will never be settled and there is no sense adding a lot more extraneous stuff to it.   Do I ask you what you think of ridge calling everyone his two all time favorites: lib or queer/ and also every other smear he posts?  Never have.  My opinion on that is that he helps carry you through this thread where you would be vastly outnumbered.  But I don't think you are hardly like him at all.  And I don't think you agree with his name calling.  Only reason he hasn't called you names is because you are more or less, partners - some time in the future you might not be in agreement.  That "Don't tread on me (with the picture of a rattlesnake)" attitude that he has is his personality.  A rattlesnake don't care if you and he are partners here - one day when you aren't, he'll strike. That is how snakes are.

You make things extremely difficult. You setup things so no one can win. Then you attack (in this case you attack me - based on your judgment of what you want to hear). Had I offered a different answer, you would have attacked that also. I turn right, you say that is wrong. I turn left, you say that is wrong. I stand still, you say that is wrong. No one can win. You won't allow them to win, even when everything they say points to being the right answer. You'll argue with facts only when necessary. Otherwise you argue that people are telling lies. 

First off, your opinion about things Stack said and my opinion do not agree.  Therfore to not fan the fires more at this stage of this thread, I refused to give you a blow by blow account of what I think.  I still think THAT was the right thing to do.

It seems everybody's all upset about my namecalling lately.

Alrighty then, I'll leave it up to committee on this one.

Truecricket says one of my two all time favorite things to call somebody is "Queer".

Now the truth is that I have never once called anybody that name.

So I'll leave it up to committee to decide what to label truecricket for telling that big fat lie.

Afterall, I don't want to call him a liar and be known as a namecaller.

Not me, that's beneath me...

No way I'll ever do that again...

 

Nah, on second thought, screw it.

Truecricket, you're a m-----f---ing LIAR!

I gotta live with myself.

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 25, 2011

well,  it's not like i expected you to own it, because guys like you don't.

in the several threads were you and i have maintained positions,  you the one that came after me first.

all i was doing is what i always do,  giving my unpollitically correct opinion about the subject matter,  and then when guys like you don't like that my opinion challenges yours,  you launch into a personal assault.

but you,  your a different breed,  you do it via the "nice guy" underhanded route

your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks, and when i wouldn't,  you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on.

like i noted,  it's an attempt by you to marginalize someone with whom they disagree,  and i won't allow anyone to bully me into intimidation land.      underhanded version or otherwise

you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion

that won't ever happen,  and so guys like you get "speacail treatment"

like i said,  stack lying purposefully about me is ok,  because well,  it's against me.   but your essence in here is once again highlighted because you refused to call that what it is.

no,  i don't agree with ridge calling people names.   ridge and i agree on most things,  and i like his not take any garbage off of people stand,  but no,  name calling is unnecessary.   even though ridge is fed up with wonderful people like you,  and i understand why he would be,  his name calling is beneath him

so you see,  that's how you pick truth over people

the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is.

you?    you turn it around in your "innocent act" washing machine,  and hang it on the clothsline for a later date.

you bring this stuff on yourself,  by coming after me,  when there are other people you could have given your "behavioral speech" too first.   shoot,  i would have been satisfied that you play fair in life if you had gone after just one person other than me that favors your position.

now that i think about it,  joker is the nastiest poster at LP.  calls perfectiming a "dumbass".

since your such the "behavioral police",   wwere where you on that one?

full circle lets us know you have never said squat to joker ever about his comments, etc.

so take a hike truecritic.  your agenda is clear.   you could have muted it while you had the chance.

cracks me up though,  your "nice guy" act and all.

i come after people like you to keep you in check,  so that guys like you don't think there is ever going to come a time where you can marginalize a voice like mine.

the difference between a guy like you,  and a guy like me?

there are quite a few people in here with whom i disagree,  do you see me pulling a truecritic move,  and going after them using the exact same tactics you use?    not quite my altruistic actor

i only make sure i give people like you the "special treatment",   when their ego pretends to think they can relegate me into marginalized land

that second paragraph of yours is a perfect example of how underhanded your attempt is.

i set people up to win, because i give them every chance to back up stuff they say.  i am really good at setting that scenario up.   it isn't my fault that when they get that chance,  they can't close their own deal,  so quit your insution flavored lie i "bully people".

i am nice and respectful out of the gate,  but when someone starts to play me,  then i match their effort with my little highlight lamp

you don't get the luxury of "nice visiondude" because you keep playing these cheap underhanded games.

you had that chance when you started acting nice after posting help to me about posting pics.

wasn't long after that,  it was back to your truecritic colors

"First off, your opinion about things Stack said and my opinion do not agree"

 yeah,  ain't that the truth,  and now we all know why.    lying is perfectly acceptable,  and totally high fived by you,  so long as the person doing it is in agreement with your position in life.

cut the two faced innocent act.      it's a disgusting display

what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post

you put out the welcome mat,  i didn't

If I use the same exact "tactics" that you use, right about now I would call you a liar.  However, I really am not that way.  I think your judgment is bias and that you make up stuff to suit your taste.

A) When I offered technical help, that is off the table.  I did that because I do things like that and know many here don't know how.  I have neither bragged about it or brought it up as a talking point for or against you or anyone that may have learned something that day.  Even if ridge learned something that day, it is OK.  That is neutral territory.  I made a joke at the time about one of your images - only a joke.  Yet, some people took that as a chance to post something against me.  I never realized it might be taken the wrong way.  What is not known, I did ask if Todd could take that down once I was aware it might be a problem.  I am glad you brushed it aside.

"your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks..."

B) There comes a point where the normal person can see that the debate cannot be won.  You seem to think that I am trying to "bully" (to use your word) you.  Sorry, you misinterpret my intent.  I was hoping to bring some common sense to the situation.  I wasn't trying to shut you up.  I also attempted to stop the side I was on as well.  I back off and don't post in hopes that will bring an end to a thread that is excruciating to read.  Or I see no reason to post.   Then when I don't post (I turn right, I turn left, I stand still - they are all wrong in your eyes), you attack me for that as well as when I do post.  You are not recognizing the right thing when it is right in front of your eyes.  You think I have some kind of preplanned tactic to attack you by not posting or by posting or by telling you what I think or ??? - no matter what I say (or others say, as well) you attack it.  The traits you admire in "others" on your side - you do not recognize those same traits in others fighting on the other side.   There appears to be only a handful of people here at Lottery Post that that have that spirit.  A lot of the same people jump into these threads.  They have things to say, they have opinions to express and they jump in.

"you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion"

C)  Not at all.  These battles are not going to be solved.  I can't convince anyone of my opinions - You can't convince anyone of yours.  Why continue to argue?  Why?  What sense does it make?  We are helpless to bomb each other like real wars in real countries - and that is the only way any of us will stop.  But why does it have to come to that.  Everyone has stated their opinions at some point - everyone should just stop the arguing at that point.  Just bow out gracefully.  Or wait until Todd decides to lock the thread.  I'd prefer grownups to stop on their own without Todd's intervention.  If you actually have some other plan, post it, I'd like to hear it.

"you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on."

D)  Check back carefully in the QP vs SP thread.  I wasn't the first to bring up your grammar/spelling.  However, while it has nothing to do with the actual subject, it does have something to do with these threads.  EVERYONE here should put some effort into spelling/grammar if they are going to publically post.  It is rather easy in comparison to what it used to be.  Todd has even put a spell-checker in the editors.  I don't ask perfection.  I don't ask something that I don't do for every post I make.  I used to keep a dictionary close by.  Everyone makes typos - that is truly something that can't be helped.  Otherwise, the written word is all that we have here to communicate.  That is why it is important to see at least 5th grade English rules being followed.  It makes it easier to understand.  It helps for people to take you seriously.  How would you like Todd to write in some haphazard way?  How about instructions for how to use your computer or programs written slipshod manner?

I might also point out that I did not continually harp on you about spelling/grammar.  I made my point and do try not try to bring up the issue continually - even though it plagues me to sift through it on a daily basis.  But you don't recognize that.   Something else you may not be aware of is the fact that I have mentioned to others on here how to use spell-check.  Some have followed through and it isn't personal pride that it was me that told them, it is just a good feeling to know that they improved themselves.  I don't brag about it.  I don't bring it up.  Others have taken an indignant position and continue to ignore spelling/grammar when posting.   I think people from other countries take great pride in their English/spelling/grammar and I silently give them a lot of credit. Sometimes, I've given them credit publically.  Many do a better job than I do.  I would like to see the same pride displayed in these and other forums from us.

"the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is."

E) Well, you may have a point.  I don't make everything public.  Actually my opinion is that several things should be private.   For instance, you'd never catch me on Jerry Springer even if I remotely had any of the problems people display on there.

However, to point out, you never volunteered anything to ridge about his "tactics" - until I mentioned it in my last post.  So, you really can't claim that your record is perfect either.  I wouldn't give you bragging rights on the issue.

"what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post"

F)  Yeah, ridge is the pinnacle of debate.  Almost all his posts are somehow derogatory against some religion or some nation or some person.  His posts seldom offer any indication that he is on the same page as you regarding religion.  Many of his posts suggest that he isn't religious because he is a regular sinner. 

I try to post opinions more than any kind of derogatory remarks.  I try to offer things that are common sense.  I try to be sincere.  The heat of the moment could change some of that, which is to be expected of anyone.  I am not sure how you mean I lied to you in the above post.  I cannot agree with every single word that some other posters post.  But there is a lot of truth in their frustration with you.  You did not see me "high-five" Stack (which was closer than you know) - on the other hand I didn't jump in and plaster you to the wall as you suggest.  His posts may not be 100% accurate - but on the other hand, I am not sure it goes to the level to be called a lie and him a liar.  He didn't attack your family as you seem to think.  At least not in my opinion.  He presented a hypothetical situation and projected about your children. 

You can pick at all these words apart and find something to attack - don't expect me to jump back in.  If you have something specific that needs clearing up, ask and I'll try to explain what I meant.  But I don't want to spend another hour on a post like this, so make it short.

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Well, I won't be forced to keep quiet, just the same as you and others on here won't be forced.   I am not always right and I have changed some of my ideas from time to time.    However, a peaceful ending would be nice.  You don't have to agree with me - no one does.  I would never agree with you either.   But we don't have to do that to have an amicable end to some silly thread.

I actually have a life and I must attend to other things.

jimmy4164

Truecritic,

Don't waste your time digging up the many references here to rdgrnr's negative questionings of various posters' sexuality.

It's not necessary.

Anyone with half a brain can see that it's an obsession with him.

Just ignore him.

--Jimmy4164

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 25, 2011

Truecritic,

Don't waste your time digging up the many references here to rdgrnr's negative questionings of various posters' sexuality.

It's not necessary.

Anyone with half a brain can see that it's an obsession with him.

Just ignore him.

--Jimmy4164

Uh-oh, sounds like it's Midol time at Nancy's house. LOL

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Jun 25, 2011

It seems everybody's all upset about my namecalling lately.

Alrighty then, I'll leave it up to committee on this one.

Truecricket says one of my two all time favorite things to call somebody is "Queer".

Now the truth is that I have never once called anybody that name.

So I'll leave it up to committee to decide what to label truecricket for telling that big fat lie.

Afterall, I don't want to call him a liar and be known as a namecaller.

Not me, that's beneath me...

No way I'll ever do that again...

 

Nah, on second thought, screw it.

Truecricket, you're a m-----f---ing LIAR!

I gotta live with myself.

You are in luck, ridge "Nancy" I have about two extra minutes and you make this so easy. 

OK, folks, for the record, ridge has never posted the word queer - however that does not make me the liar.  I made that in bold to make sure everyone sees the disclaimer.

I will not look up examples and quotes from your many derogatory threads, you used common words thinly veiled to indicate gays.  I'll admit, I should have chosen a more P.C. word to describe your style - sorry to offend you.

But yet you continue to not call people by their screen name (I wonder if Todd might allow me to change mine to truecricket?) and you continue to call people derogatory names (MF).  I know you are like the rattlesnake used for the slogan "Don't tread on me" and I know you behave like this and there is no changing you.  I too hope you can live with yourself.

Don't Tread On Me

I like that slogan and my comparisons of rdgrnr to the rattlesnake should not detract from the intentions of that great slogan.

I should also apologize to any gays that are offended - sorry, should have made a better choice of words.

Your two minutes are up, don't expect me to debate the issue.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

If I use the same exact "tactics" that you use, right about now I would call you a liar.  However, I really am not that way.  I think your judgment is bias and that you make up stuff to suit your taste.

A) When I offered technical help, that is off the table.  I did that because I do things like that and know many here don't know how.  I have neither bragged about it or brought it up as a talking point for or against you or anyone that may have learned something that day.  Even if ridge learned something that day, it is OK.  That is neutral territory.  I made a joke at the time about one of your images - only a joke.  Yet, some people took that as a chance to post something against me.  I never realized it might be taken the wrong way.  What is not known, I did ask if Todd could take that down once I was aware it might be a problem.  I am glad you brushed it aside.

"your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks..."

B) There comes a point where the normal person can see that the debate cannot be won.  You seem to think that I am trying to "bully" (to use your word) you.  Sorry, you misinterpret my intent.  I was hoping to bring some common sense to the situation.  I wasn't trying to shut you up.  I also attempted to stop the side I was on as well.  I back off and don't post in hopes that will bring an end to a thread that is excruciating to read.  Or I see no reason to post.   Then when I don't post (I turn right, I turn left, I stand still - they are all wrong in your eyes), you attack me for that as well as when I do post.  You are not recognizing the right thing when it is right in front of your eyes.  You think I have some kind of preplanned tactic to attack you by not posting or by posting or by telling you what I think or ??? - no matter what I say (or others say, as well) you attack it.  The traits you admire in "others" on your side - you do not recognize those same traits in others fighting on the other side.   There appears to be only a handful of people here at Lottery Post that that have that spirit.  A lot of the same people jump into these threads.  They have things to say, they have opinions to express and they jump in.

"you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion"

C)  Not at all.  These battles are not going to be solved.  I can't convince anyone of my opinions - You can't convince anyone of yours.  Why continue to argue?  Why?  What sense does it make?  We are helpless to bomb each other like real wars in real countries - and that is the only way any of us will stop.  But why does it have to come to that.  Everyone has stated their opinions at some point - everyone should just stop the arguing at that point.  Just bow out gracefully.  Or wait until Todd decides to lock the thread.  I'd prefer grownups to stop on their own without Todd's intervention.  If you actually have some other plan, post it, I'd like to hear it.

"you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on."

D)  Check back carefully in the QP vs SP thread.  I wasn't the first to bring up your grammar/spelling.  However, while it has nothing to do with the actual subject, it does have something to do with these threads.  EVERYONE here should put some effort into spelling/grammar if they are going to publically post.  It is rather easy in comparison to what it used to be.  Todd has even put a spell-checker in the editors.  I don't ask perfection.  I don't ask something that I don't do for every post I make.  I used to keep a dictionary close by.  Everyone makes typos - that is truly something that can't be helped.  Otherwise, the written word is all that we have here to communicate.  That is why it is important to see at least 5th grade English rules being followed.  It makes it easier to understand.  It helps for people to take you seriously.  How would you like Todd to write in some haphazard way?  How about instructions for how to use your computer or programs written slipshod manner?

I might also point out that I did not continually harp on you about spelling/grammar.  I made my point and do try not try to bring up the issue continually - even though it plagues me to sift through it on a daily basis.  But you don't recognize that.   Something else you may not be aware of is the fact that I have mentioned to others on here how to use spell-check.  Some have followed through and it isn't personal pride that it was me that told them, it is just a good feeling to know that they improved themselves.  I don't brag about it.  I don't bring it up.  Others have taken an indignant position and continue to ignore spelling/grammar when posting.   I think people from other countries take great pride in their English/spelling/grammar and I silently give them a lot of credit. Sometimes, I've given them credit publically.  Many do a better job than I do.  I would like to see the same pride displayed in these and other forums from us.

"the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is."

E) Well, you may have a point.  I don't make everything public.  Actually my opinion is that several things should be private.   For instance, you'd never catch me on Jerry Springer even if I remotely had any of the problems people display on there.

However, to point out, you never volunteered anything to ridge about his "tactics" - until I mentioned it in my last post.  So, you really can't claim that your record is perfect either.  I wouldn't give you bragging rights on the issue.

"what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post"

F)  Yeah, ridge is the pinnacle of debate.  Almost all his posts are somehow derogatory against some religion or some nation or some person.  His posts seldom offer any indication that he is on the same page as you regarding religion.  Many of his posts suggest that he isn't religious because he is a regular sinner. 

I try to post opinions more than any kind of derogatory remarks.  I try to offer things that are common sense.  I try to be sincere.  The heat of the moment could change some of that, which is to be expected of anyone.  I am not sure how you mean I lied to you in the above post.  I cannot agree with every single word that some other posters post.  But there is a lot of truth in their frustration with you.  You did not see me "high-five" Stack (which was closer than you know) - on the other hand I didn't jump in and plaster you to the wall as you suggest.  His posts may not be 100% accurate - but on the other hand, I am not sure it goes to the level to be called a lie and him a liar.  He didn't attack your family as you seem to think.  At least not in my opinion.  He presented a hypothetical situation and projected about your children. 

You can pick at all these words apart and find something to attack - don't expect me to jump back in.  If you have something specific that needs clearing up, ask and I'll try to explain what I meant.  But I don't want to spend another hour on a post like this, so make it short.

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Well, I won't be forced to keep quiet, just the same as you and others on here won't be forced.   I am not always right and I have changed some of my ideas from time to time.    However, a peaceful ending would be nice.  You don't have to agree with me - no one does.  I would never agree with you either.   But we don't have to do that to have an amicable end to some silly thread.

I actually have a life and I must attend to other things.

Geeze, if that was a movie I think I would have slept through it.

As usual though, just more evasive action.

The fact that you want any mention of God or Jesus or prayer or saints or anything relating to that banned, wasn't even mentioned. You even went so far as to demand that "God bless America" be banned. Now, the debate has suddenly shifted to ethics in debate and politeness and propriety and decorum and who called who the worst names.

Well, how convenient!

Now you don't have to defend your war on God and religion anymore! You're in charge of ethics investigations!

I gotta hand it to ya.

You're a slippery little weasel!

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

You are in luck, ridge "Nancy" I have about two extra minutes and you make this so easy. 

OK, folks, for the record, ridge has never posted the word queer - however that does not make me the liar.  I made that in bold to make sure everyone sees the disclaimer.

I will not look up examples and quotes from your many derogatory threads, you used common words thinly veiled to indicate gays.  I'll admit, I should have chosen a more P.C. word to describe your style - sorry to offend you.

But yet you continue to not call people by their screen name (I wonder if Todd might allow me to change mine to truecricket?) and you continue to call people derogatory names (MF).  I know you are like the rattlesnake used for the slogan "Don't tread on me" and I know you behave like this and there is no changing you.  I too hope you can live with yourself.

Don't Tread On Me

I like that slogan and my comparisons of rdgrnr to the rattlesnake should not detract from the intentions of that great slogan.

I should also apologize to any gays that are offended - sorry, should have made a better choice of words.

Your two minutes are up, don't expect me to debate the issue.

Of all people, you, a liberal, and an atheist and an a Blame America First guy are not worthy to speak of the Gadsden Flag.

That flag was carried into battle against the British in our fight for Independence, a cause I'm sure you would have objected to because it involved the use of guns and violence and you find yourself in tears when writing a post.

So keep your limp-wristed, sashaying, touchy-feely, oh so sensitive opinions about it to yourself.

I have that flag on the back window of my pickup and it causes wimps like you to key it when they're sure they won't be caught.

Funny how you guys won't do a dam thing when I'm there though.

Gutless cowards.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

You are in luck, ridge "Nancy" I have about two extra minutes and you make this so easy. 

OK, folks, for the record, ridge has never posted the word queer - however that does not make me the liar.  I made that in bold to make sure everyone sees the disclaimer.

I will not look up examples and quotes from your many derogatory threads, you used common words thinly veiled to indicate gays.  I'll admit, I should have chosen a more P.C. word to describe your style - sorry to offend you.

But yet you continue to not call people by their screen name (I wonder if Todd might allow me to change mine to truecricket?) and you continue to call people derogatory names (MF).  I know you are like the rattlesnake used for the slogan "Don't tread on me" and I know you behave like this and there is no changing you.  I too hope you can live with yourself.

Don't Tread On Me

I like that slogan and my comparisons of rdgrnr to the rattlesnake should not detract from the intentions of that great slogan.

I should also apologize to any gays that are offended - sorry, should have made a better choice of words.

Your two minutes are up, don't expect me to debate the issue.

"I know you are like the rattlesnake used for the slogan "Don't tread on me" and I know you behave like this and there is no changing you."

Thank you for comparing me to the Rattlesnake, truecricket. I consider it a badge of honor, you insufferable moron. That's why it was used as an American Symbol.

Here's what Ben Franklin said about the Rattler:

"She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage. ... she never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her."

 

Read on and maybe you'll learn something.

 

 

 

Don't Tread on Me
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Gadsden Flag History



 

The origins of the Gadsden flag, U.S. Navy, and U.S. Marine Corps

Georgia $20 bill
The seal from a 1778 $20 bill from Georgia. The financial backing for these bills was property seized from loyalists. The motto reads "Nemo me impune lacesset," i.e. "No one will provoke me with impunity."

By 1775, the snake symbol wasn't just being printed in newspapers. It was appearing all over the colonies: on uniform buttons, on paper money, and of course, on banners and flags.

The snake symbol morphed quite a bit during its rapid, widespread adoption. It wasn't cut up into pieces anymore. And it was usually shown as an American timber rattlesnake, not a generic serpent.

We don't know for certain where, when, or by whom the familiar coiled rattlesnake was first used with the warning "Don't Tread on Me."

We do know when it first entered the history books.

In the fall of 1775, the British were occupying Boston and the young Continental Army was holed up in Cambridge, woefully short on arms and ammunition. At the Battle of Bunker Hill, Washington's troops had been so low on gunpowder that they were ordered "not to fire until you see the whites of their eyes."

In October, a merchant ship called The Black Prince returned to Philadelphia from a voyage to England. On board were private letters to the Second Continental Congress that informed them that the British government was sending two ships to America loaded with arms and gunpowder for the British troops.

Congress decided that General Washington needed those arms more than the British. A plan was hatched to capture the cargo ships. They authorized the creation of a Continental Navy, starting with four ships. The frigate that carried the information from England, the Black Prince, was one of the four. It was purchased, converted to a man-of-war, and renamed the Alfred.

To accompany the Navy on their first mission, Congress also authorized the mustering of five companies of Marines. The Alfred and its sailors and marines went on to achieve some of the most notable victories of the American Revolution. But that's not the story we're interested in here.

What's particularly interesting for us is that some of the Marines that enlisted that month in Philadelphia were carrying drums painted yellow, emblazoned with a fierce rattlesnake, coiled and ready to strike, with thirteen rattles, and sporting the motto "Don't Tread on Me."



An American Guesser

In December 1775, "An American Guesser" anonymously wrote to the Pennsylvania Journal:

"I observed on one of the drums belonging to the marines now raising, there was painted a Rattle-Snake, with this modest motto under it, 'Don't tread on me.' As I know it is the custom to have some device on the arms of every country, I supposed this may have been intended for the arms of America."

 

This anonymous writer, having "nothing to do with public affairs" and "in order to divert an idle hour," speculated on why a snake might be chosen as a symbol for America.

First, it occurred to him that "the Rattle-Snake is found in no other quarter of the world besides America."

The rattlesnake also has sharp eyes, and "may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance." Furthermore,

"She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage. ... she never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her."

 

Finally,

"I confess I was wholly at a loss what to make of the rattles, 'till I went back and counted them and found them just thirteen, exactly the number of the Colonies united in America; and I recollected too that this was the only part of the Snake which increased in numbers. ...

 

"'Tis curious and amazing to observe how distinct and independent of each other the rattles of this animal are, and yet how firmly they are united together, so as never to be separated but by breaking them to pieces. One of those rattles singly, is incapable of producing sound, but the ringing of thirteen together, is sufficient to alarm the boldest man living."

 

Franklin portrait
Benjamin Franklin, portrait by David Martin, 1767. White House Historical Association.

Many scholars now agree that this "American Guesser" was Benjamin Franklin.

Franklin is also known for opposing the use of an eagle — "a bird of bad moral character" — as a national symbol.

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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

You are in luck, ridge "Nancy" I have about two extra minutes and you make this so easy. 

OK, folks, for the record, ridge has never posted the word queer - however that does not make me the liar.  I made that in bold to make sure everyone sees the disclaimer.

I will not look up examples and quotes from your many derogatory threads, you used common words thinly veiled to indicate gays.  I'll admit, I should have chosen a more P.C. word to describe your style - sorry to offend you.

But yet you continue to not call people by their screen name (I wonder if Todd might allow me to change mine to truecricket?) and you continue to call people derogatory names (MF).  I know you are like the rattlesnake used for the slogan "Don't tread on me" and I know you behave like this and there is no changing you.  I too hope you can live with yourself.

Don't Tread On Me

I like that slogan and my comparisons of rdgrnr to the rattlesnake should not detract from the intentions of that great slogan.

I should also apologize to any gays that are offended - sorry, should have made a better choice of words.

Your two minutes are up, don't expect me to debate the issue.

I do have to give you credit for admitting you flat-out lied.

That's something joker would never man-up to.

It must be his Spacemonkey genes rejecting his Scum-jumper genes or something that prevents him from ever being honest about anything.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 25, 2011

If I use the same exact "tactics" that you use, right about now I would call you a liar.  However, I really am not that way.  I think your judgment is bias and that you make up stuff to suit your taste.

A) When I offered technical help, that is off the table.  I did that because I do things like that and know many here don't know how.  I have neither bragged about it or brought it up as a talking point for or against you or anyone that may have learned something that day.  Even if ridge learned something that day, it is OK.  That is neutral territory.  I made a joke at the time about one of your images - only a joke.  Yet, some people took that as a chance to post something against me.  I never realized it might be taken the wrong way.  What is not known, I did ask if Todd could take that down once I was aware it might be a problem.  I am glad you brushed it aside.

"your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks..."

B) There comes a point where the normal person can see that the debate cannot be won.  You seem to think that I am trying to "bully" (to use your word) you.  Sorry, you misinterpret my intent.  I was hoping to bring some common sense to the situation.  I wasn't trying to shut you up.  I also attempted to stop the side I was on as well.  I back off and don't post in hopes that will bring an end to a thread that is excruciating to read.  Or I see no reason to post.   Then when I don't post (I turn right, I turn left, I stand still - they are all wrong in your eyes), you attack me for that as well as when I do post.  You are not recognizing the right thing when it is right in front of your eyes.  You think I have some kind of preplanned tactic to attack you by not posting or by posting or by telling you what I think or ??? - no matter what I say (or others say, as well) you attack it.  The traits you admire in "others" on your side - you do not recognize those same traits in others fighting on the other side.   There appears to be only a handful of people here at Lottery Post that that have that spirit.  A lot of the same people jump into these threads.  They have things to say, they have opinions to express and they jump in.

"you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion"

C)  Not at all.  These battles are not going to be solved.  I can't convince anyone of my opinions - You can't convince anyone of yours.  Why continue to argue?  Why?  What sense does it make?  We are helpless to bomb each other like real wars in real countries - and that is the only way any of us will stop.  But why does it have to come to that.  Everyone has stated their opinions at some point - everyone should just stop the arguing at that point.  Just bow out gracefully.  Or wait until Todd decides to lock the thread.  I'd prefer grownups to stop on their own without Todd's intervention.  If you actually have some other plan, post it, I'd like to hear it.

"you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on."

D)  Check back carefully in the QP vs SP thread.  I wasn't the first to bring up your grammar/spelling.  However, while it has nothing to do with the actual subject, it does have something to do with these threads.  EVERYONE here should put some effort into spelling/grammar if they are going to publically post.  It is rather easy in comparison to what it used to be.  Todd has even put a spell-checker in the editors.  I don't ask perfection.  I don't ask something that I don't do for every post I make.  I used to keep a dictionary close by.  Everyone makes typos - that is truly something that can't be helped.  Otherwise, the written word is all that we have here to communicate.  That is why it is important to see at least 5th grade English rules being followed.  It makes it easier to understand.  It helps for people to take you seriously.  How would you like Todd to write in some haphazard way?  How about instructions for how to use your computer or programs written slipshod manner?

I might also point out that I did not continually harp on you about spelling/grammar.  I made my point and do try not try to bring up the issue continually - even though it plagues me to sift through it on a daily basis.  But you don't recognize that.   Something else you may not be aware of is the fact that I have mentioned to others on here how to use spell-check.  Some have followed through and it isn't personal pride that it was me that told them, it is just a good feeling to know that they improved themselves.  I don't brag about it.  I don't bring it up.  Others have taken an indignant position and continue to ignore spelling/grammar when posting.   I think people from other countries take great pride in their English/spelling/grammar and I silently give them a lot of credit. Sometimes, I've given them credit publically.  Many do a better job than I do.  I would like to see the same pride displayed in these and other forums from us.

"the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is."

E) Well, you may have a point.  I don't make everything public.  Actually my opinion is that several things should be private.   For instance, you'd never catch me on Jerry Springer even if I remotely had any of the problems people display on there.

However, to point out, you never volunteered anything to ridge about his "tactics" - until I mentioned it in my last post.  So, you really can't claim that your record is perfect either.  I wouldn't give you bragging rights on the issue.

"what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post"

F)  Yeah, ridge is the pinnacle of debate.  Almost all his posts are somehow derogatory against some religion or some nation or some person.  His posts seldom offer any indication that he is on the same page as you regarding religion.  Many of his posts suggest that he isn't religious because he is a regular sinner. 

I try to post opinions more than any kind of derogatory remarks.  I try to offer things that are common sense.  I try to be sincere.  The heat of the moment could change some of that, which is to be expected of anyone.  I am not sure how you mean I lied to you in the above post.  I cannot agree with every single word that some other posters post.  But there is a lot of truth in their frustration with you.  You did not see me "high-five" Stack (which was closer than you know) - on the other hand I didn't jump in and plaster you to the wall as you suggest.  His posts may not be 100% accurate - but on the other hand, I am not sure it goes to the level to be called a lie and him a liar.  He didn't attack your family as you seem to think.  At least not in my opinion.  He presented a hypothetical situation and projected about your children. 

You can pick at all these words apart and find something to attack - don't expect me to jump back in.  If you have something specific that needs clearing up, ask and I'll try to explain what I meant.  But I don't want to spend another hour on a post like this, so make it short.

**************************************************************

Well, I won't be forced to keep quiet, just the same as you and others on here won't be forced.   I am not always right and I have changed some of my ideas from time to time.    However, a peaceful ending would be nice.  You don't have to agree with me - no one does.  I would never agree with you either.   But we don't have to do that to have an amicable end to some silly thread.

I actually have a life and I must attend to other things.

let's just do this the efficient way, you have 9 years of archived posts by me .

just find 1 where I ever lied about anybody,  or anything .

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Well since we're still at it here and since this is Lottery Post I'm just wondering if we could get everyone in this thread to agree that their favorite book in the Bible is the...............

Book of Numbers!

Scared

Stack47

Nobody can be this stupid!

Visiondude: "you were only wallowing in the gutter of life,  but since you went straight to a nasty purposeful lie about my family,   you moved from the gutter to the sewer."

He can't even understand what someone "like" means or what "plenty of evidence" means. It's impossible to explain to someone whose intelligent quotient is lower that his waste size that I wasn't referring to his family. However since VD did bring up his family maybe someone should ask them if they are proud of the way he butchers English grammar.

"in real life,  you wouldn't have the guts to lie about my family to my face,"

LMAO!

Just because your reading comprehension is just a notch above "Lucy's" doesn't mean I'm interested in settling this caveman style.

CashWinner$

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Jun 25, 2011

Well since we're still at it here and since this is Lottery Post I'm just wondering if we could get everyone in this thread to agree that their favorite book in the Bible is the...............

Book of Numbers!

Scared

That's funny & As a casual observer, I agree Thumbs Up

jarasan's avatarjarasan

Yes, oh yes,  no question,  you'll see guaranteed 100%!!!

Music alone,  and what it does to one's soul is proof.  The following is A D C,  A C D, A D A D E  ALTER break A G A C D.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Jun 25, 2011

Yes, oh yes,  no question,  you'll see guaranteed 100%!!!

Music alone,  and what it does to one's soul is proof.  The following is A D C,  A C D, A D A D E  ALTER break A G A C D.

Jarasan Rocks!   Thumbs Up

Stack47

Visiondude: "stack straight up lied about me"

I'm cutting you some slack because I truly believe you're intellectually challenged but continuing to call me a liar is getting old.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 25, 2011

Visiondude: "stack straight up lied about me"

I'm cutting you some slack because I truly believe you're intellectually challenged but continuing to call me a liar is getting old.

your cutting me some slack, eh?  Green laugh   

if i am "intellectually challenged",  and i can hand you your lunch with half of my brain tied behind my back,  what would that make you?

your getting "tired" because i call you what you are (poor stack),  and your above post proves that accusation.  (you lied again)

that's how you "giants of integrity" act,  when you can't handle what someone throws your way,  lie about them

your just made because i tied a weight to your pinnochio "truth detector"

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 25, 2011

Nobody can be this stupid!

Visiondude: "you were only wallowing in the gutter of life,  but since you went straight to a nasty purposeful lie about my family,   you moved from the gutter to the sewer."

He can't even understand what someone "like" means or what "plenty of evidence" means. It's impossible to explain to someone whose intelligent quotient is lower that his waste size that I wasn't referring to his family. However since VD did bring up his family maybe someone should ask them if they are proud of the way he butchers English grammar.

"in real life,  you wouldn't have the guts to lie about my family to my face,"

LMAO!

Just because your reading comprehension is just a notch above "Lucy's" doesn't mean I'm interested in settling this caveman style.

 "It's impossible to explain to someone whose intelligent quotient is lower that his waste size that I wasn't referring to his family".

 liar.   unfortunately for you,  the post is still archived on page 51.

here is it's entirety.   

The story doesn't say much about the woman with the atheist son or anything about his reason for believing opposite of his mother, but if the story was about someone like VD winning the lottery, there is plenty of evidence why their offspring would believe totally opposite.

 go ahead and convince the crowd it wasn't an underhanded swipe at my family because of who i am.

it was another attempt by you at personally discrediting me,  because your a low life,  and that's the low you so freely go to,  instead of debating the topic.

"However since VD did bring up his family maybe someone should ask them if they are proud of the way he butchers English grammar"

 proud that i am a man of integrity,   and that i don't have to lie about people like you do, while defeding my position(s) in life.

what's better,  perfect grammer playing in the gutter of life,  or butchering english on a regular basis and still maintaining integrity?

as if "butchering english" is a measurement of a man.  Puke

what do you do stack when you meet someone who just moved to this country,  that assaults the english language worse than i do?    tell em they are morons?     

your just an insecure little man who can't handle his biznatch,  so you make up lame accusations about people in hopes of discrediting them.   gutter ball,  big whoop.

"caveman style".  wouldn't matter if you were 6' 6"  and i was 3' 6",  the premise was made,   that your some dude that acts all tough behind a computer,  but wouldn't have the guts to say this garbage to anybody

your a low life,   pure and simple

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Jun 25, 2011

We all have cro-Magnum DNA, They have not been able to find anyone with Neanderthal Dna, They have found crossbred remains, but they didn't live very long. The Neaderthals are a different species of human and they were here long before Cro-magnum and Lucy, their origin...France...Lucy is considered modern human.

I saw a chart showing modern man, Homo Erectus, and Neanderthals sharing a common ancestor with Australopithecines. Viewing it as a family tree, it would show modern man's ancestors as Homo Habilis and Cro-magnum. There is evidence the difference between Cro-magnum and modern man is so slight that now they are referring to Cro-magnum as modern man. Evidence from remains found in caves in France suggests Cro-magnum and Neanderthals existed side by side as little as 10,000 years ago.

A complete family tree would probably show 6000 different species of Primates compared to the 187 species that exist today. Over half the branches are missing so there is still not a direct link showing a common ancestor between modern man and the other Primates. The Natural History Museum in D.C. has an extensive collection of prehistoric humanoid species (if you're interested).

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Hey Stack,  still France every day up to this conversation. Thumbs Up

 

uSED cAPITAL lETTERS aND eVERYTHING,  jUST sO yOU cAN'T tALK tRASH,  oR pICK iT aPART

NOW look AT the FIRST sentence STRUCTURE,  and HOW beautiful IT is

you MUST be VERY approving OF the MESSAGE and CONTENT now,  BECAUSE we ALL know THE grammar HAS to BE perfect,  IN order TO be "ACCEPTABLE"

                     

                      ainsi et si votre pinochio local de poste de loterie, ce n'est pas un accomplissement

Stack47

Visiondude: "go ahead and convince the crowd it wasn't an underhanded swipe at my family because of who i am"

You seem to be the only one here with a reading comprehension problem and one person is not a crowd. Had you only listened to your teacher in eighth grade English, it would be clear (as it is to everybody but you) "their" refers to "someone like". Take some evening classes and maybe you can get a GED in four or five years.

Visiondude: "as if "butchering english" is a measurement of a man."

It's a measurement of lack of intelligence and/or being lazy.

Visiondude: "your a low life,   pure and simple "*

I've never heard anyone over the age of twelve say that; figures.

*It's You're with a capital "Y", only one space between the comma and "pure", and you forgot a "." (period), "!" (explanation mark), or "?" (question mark) after "simple". The first lesson is free.

joker17

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 26, 2011

Visiondude: "go ahead and convince the crowd it wasn't an underhanded swipe at my family because of who i am"

You seem to be the only one here with a reading comprehension problem and one person is not a crowd. Had you only listened to your teacher in eighth grade English, it would be clear (as it is to everybody but you) "their" refers to "someone like". Take some evening classes and maybe you can get a GED in four or five years.

Visiondude: "as if "butchering english" is a measurement of a man."

It's a measurement of lack of intelligence and/or being lazy.

Visiondude: "your a low life,   pure and simple "*

I've never heard anyone over the age of twelve say that; figures.

*It's You're with a capital "Y", only one space between the comma and "pure", and you forgot a "." (period), "!" (explanation mark), or "?" (question mark) after "simple". The first lesson is free.

You can try to teach grammer all you want Stack, but the important thing here is common sense, and you can't teach common sense to these clowns. Both Ridge and Vision lack it immensely.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 26, 2011

Visiondude: "go ahead and convince the crowd it wasn't an underhanded swipe at my family because of who i am"

You seem to be the only one here with a reading comprehension problem and one person is not a crowd. Had you only listened to your teacher in eighth grade English, it would be clear (as it is to everybody but you) "their" refers to "someone like". Take some evening classes and maybe you can get a GED in four or five years.

Visiondude: "as if "butchering english" is a measurement of a man."

It's a measurement of lack of intelligence and/or being lazy.

Visiondude: "your a low life,   pure and simple "*

I've never heard anyone over the age of twelve say that; figures.

*It's You're with a capital "Y", only one space between the comma and "pure", and you forgot a "." (period), "!" (explanation mark), or "?" (question mark) after "simple". The first lesson is free.

thanks to me,  everyone knows about your underhanded swipes now.

makes zero difference to me if you want to keep lying about it,  they all know exactly what you meant

it's this little slimey side door code you people use,  and your dumb enough to think it doesn't show up on anyones certainty radar

i don't bother to adjust my grammar / style,  because it lends itself to being unique,  and not some boring drip who takes lying pot shots at people,  just because he is insecure,  and can't handle his business otherwise.

me,  i don't have insecurity issues.   i don't ever get to that place where i have to lie about someoneAND

you can keep your grammar AND your pinnochio achievment award

the only word you need to understand is liar

Liar.    There,  now I capitalized it,   so now you lost your position from which to defend.

your such a pillar of truth,  if i went out and hired an english teacher to put my words and thoughts thru their professional washing machine,  you would just find something else to lie about

that's what gutter balls of life do.   they move on to the next "gutter ball"

keep thinking you have enough in the tank to best me in what really matters in life.

you don't

joker17

It's amazing how much energy Vision expends writing his Bull schmidt. The sad part is, the more he writes, everyone reading this thread will see how Vision is incapable of reason, logic, grammer, common sense, and a sense of street smart.

The hole keeps getting deeper and deeper as this puppet keeps writing.

He sits in lurk mode for as long as it takes. Sometimes months go by without someone mentioning God as the answer to their prayer or whatever. Meanwhile back at headquarters, 17,398,913 people who prayed didn't get it answered by God. Then when God is mentioned in a thread, and someone puts their two cents in, he comes out of the woodwork, like a snake waiting to leap.

So does Ridge, except that he doesn't lurk. He does his comedy routine most of the time acting as If it's unwittingly done, yet he knows It may be at someone's expense.  Yet it continues until someone mentions God as the cause of their success. And then when someone puts their two cents in, here comes the almighty protector of the Christian faith. He comes to save the day, and erradicate all the poor folks of this world who are too logical. He's tired of the witch hunts.

The great protector. Protecting the believers from the attack on Christianity.

I hate to burst his bubble, but it's not an attack on Christianity, it's an attack on stupidity.

We no longer rely on signs from the heavens to tell us how to behave next.

We no longer rely on diseases and plagues as signs of the "Whatever God at hand" not happy with us, thus punishing us.

We no longer believe the Earth is flat.

We no longer believe the universe is 6 thousand years old.

We no longer believe that we should stone folks to death for whatever.

etc.....

 

DUH....which way did he go?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

your right,  ridge and i would rather have your life Puke

here's a little ethics about how truth works,  with a bucket load of common sense throw in for validation, joker.

you keep swearing what you sell in here is "the truth". 

every one of them, "oh they are the truth,  just watch the video's"

funny how everyone of them is completely opposite of each other,  and side by side,  they would CANCEL each other out

 you change your "truth" nearly daily.

just in this thread alone,  no telling how many different "truth's" you have spit out.

after i highlighted your alien monkey business,  you left that in the dust of the earth

didn't stick with that one for very long

 

me?  same one for 30+ years

go ahead and lie to yourself that i have been "wacked" for 30+ years,  and you are still "searching"

 

it's not like your a candidate anytime soon for the go-to guy for picking what is true in life,  but how about a little thread brevity to chew on?

not one  'anti-god' scenario in here matches another. 

 everyone has come up with a hybrid version of what they thought happened, or parroted from a site that they thought sounded ballpark correct that fits what they want to believe happened

you don't find the truth of life that way,  because the truth of life isn't a custom ordered commodity.

whatever the truth is,  you adjust to it because it's right,   not because it sounds good.

you can always tell when people aren't the least bit interested in the real truth,   because it doesn't match what they want it to be

not one anti-god scenario  in agreement, even in here 

 every one has "evolutionized" their own version of it,  and evolution itself keeps evolving in it's "interpretation" whenever you discuss it with someone.

anyone that picks truth over agenda knows the basic premise of truth never changes

the historocity of Christianity has NEVER CHANGED.

from it's inception,  it basic message / premise has survived intact without changing for thousands of years.

the "many translations" arguement is rediculous,  God fully protected the integrity of the premise of His word

from it's inception,  when God spoke the world into existence,  till now

some have <snip>ized it's message in order to attempt to make it their own,  but no one has changed the premise

you AND evolution change daily,  and even within the term 'evolution" (meaning ever evolving),  it's not a compliment,  it's a  strike 3 count strike out against evolution, because you are referring to the past when attempting to debate the validity of evilution,  and neither of you can build one lasting premise without infusing a "guess" into the explanation thereof

within evilution,  there is no definitive premise

it's a mess of a guess

Christianity?  30+  years of the same EXACT definition

for every believer on this board,  they have the same rock foundation to stand upon,  on thru into eternity.

  one that never changes

 

searching,  and admitting you ARE searching = cool

guessing for the sake of searching,  part of the process, and also = cool

wildly guessing,  and selling it as "fact" = evil

 

on this subject matter,  the MOST important of all,  one things for mortuary certain,   historical facts never evolve or change

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visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 26, 2011

It's amazing how much energy Vision expends writing his Bull schmidt. The sad part is, the more he writes, everyone reading this thread will see how Vision is incapable of reason, logic, grammer, common sense, and a sense of street smart.

The hole keeps getting deeper and deeper as this puppet keeps writing.

He sits in lurk mode for as long as it takes. Sometimes months go by without someone mentioning God as the answer to their prayer or whatever. Meanwhile back at headquarters, 17,398,913 people who prayed didn't get it answered by God. Then when God is mentioned in a thread, and someone puts their two cents in, he comes out of the woodwork, like a snake waiting to leap.

So does Ridge, except that he doesn't lurk. He does his comedy routine most of the time acting as If it's unwittingly done, yet he knows It may be at someone's expense.  Yet it continues until someone mentions God as the cause of their success. And then when someone puts their two cents in, here comes the almighty protector of the Christian faith. He comes to save the day, and erradicate all the poor folks of this world who are too logical. He's tired of the witch hunts.

The great protector. Protecting the believers from the attack on Christianity.

I hate to burst his bubble, but it's not an attack on Christianity, it's an attack on stupidity.

We no longer rely on signs from the heavens to tell us how to behave next.

We no longer rely on diseases and plagues as signs of the "Whatever God at hand" not happy with us, thus punishing us.

We no longer believe the Earth is flat.

We no longer believe the universe is 6 thousand years old.

We no longer believe that we should stone folks to death for whatever.

etc.....

 

DUH....which way did he go?

if tonight you have set aside some other newly amalgamated mess of a guess,  in favor of a side by side comparison between you and me,  lest you suffer from short term memory loss....

....your the one that stated aliens came down and inseminated apes.

i will take my chances on what people believe about me after that Green laugh

 

we know your grammar is good

perfectiming REALLY knows all about your excellant grammar.

so does truecritic and stack

joker17

Strange how creepy individuals come to a lottery site, but don't comment on the lottery. They lurk until something about God is mentioned. Then they go off on some dimented rant about fairytale blues stories.

They're like dormant viruses just waiting to find a host.

Silly brainwashed Christians. Warped minds.....

joker17

I know the truth.

I'm right, you're wrong.

You're evil, I'm not.

God planned it this way. No matter how ludicrous it sounds, it was God's will. .

Left curves....God did it intentionally...

Speed of light...God sped it up.....

Who created God?....He has an exmeption card in his wallet....

Bad things happening to good people......The Devil is to blame.....

Chaos in the world.....God's plan...

20,000 kids dying every single day........It's not God's fault Man is evil.....

Earthquakes in San Francisco......God hates fags....

No matter how good or bad, there is an answer for everything. Either God's will, or the Devil.

See how neatly wrapped everything is?

You name it, we have an answer.

UFOs.....demons....

Other religions...........Satan decieving the multitudes.....

Why do men have nipples? .........Another of God's left curves.....

Humans have tail bones..........A punishment by God....

Mudskippers........God testing us...

See, everything can be easily explained in our life repair kit. In fact, we have a special offer today only. Buy one answer, and get the second answer at half price. But you must act NOW !

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 26, 2011

I know the truth.

I'm right, you're wrong.

You're evil, I'm not.

God planned it this way. No matter how ludicrous it sounds, it was God's will. .

Left curves....God did it intentionally...

Speed of light...God sped it up.....

Who created God?....He has an exmeption card in his wallet....

Bad things happening to good people......The Devil is to blame.....

Chaos in the world.....God's plan...

20,000 kids dying every single day........It's not God's fault Man is evil.....

Earthquakes in San Francisco......God hates fags....

No matter how good or bad, there is an answer for everything. Either God's will, or the Devil.

See how neatly wrapped everything is?

You name it, we have an answer.

UFOs.....demons....

Other religions...........Satan decieving the multitudes.....

Why do men have nipples? .........Another of God's left curves.....

Humans have tail bones..........A punishment by God....

Mudskippers........God testing us...

See, everything can be easily explained in our life repair kit. In fact, we have a special offer today only. Buy one answer, and get the second answer at half price. But you must act NOW !

Hurray!

jimmy4164

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Jun 25, 2011

Two different events,  Look at the order in the first and compare.   I can't belive that the writer

could get this confused on the same page.   I think that the life on earth was kick started and 

left to evolve.   Modifications were made from time to time until the product reached a certain

point at which time Adam was formed from this "dust of the earth."   Scientist have managed

to duplicate the building blocks of life minus the instructions.   All life on earth seems to have come

from the same set of plans with a few variations of configuration which are common in design.

When I build something new or write another program I use parts from many old projects,  most

people who know my work would have no problem identifying me as the author.  Even old pecies

of funiture built hundreds of years ago can be linked to the builder because people develop a style

of doing things.  Because all life on earth seems to have a very common relationship then I would think

that the same designer had a hand in them all.             

 

RL

"Because all life on earth seems to have a very common relationship then I would think that the same designer had a hand in them all."

I wonder where this designer got their training?

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 25, 2011

let's just do this the efficient way, you have 9 years of archived posts by me .

just find 1 where I ever lied about anybody,  or anything .

I am not going through 9 years or even anything but your current post where you lied.  I reframed from calling you a liar.  I said "I think your judgment is bias and that you make up stuff to suit your taste."

The lies that you posted are in grey - the correct reasoning or version is preceeded by a letter and a full explanation by me.  I've added minor comments to help you understand, those are in blue, below.

**********************************************************

"your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks..."  No, that is not true, I have never tried to shut you up to prevent you from posting your opinions.   See B) below for the real reason

B) There comes a point where the normal person can see that the debate cannot be won.  You seem to think that I am trying to "bully" (to use your word) you.  Sorry, you misinterpret my intent.  I was hoping to bring some common sense to the situation.  I wasn't trying to shut you up.  I also attempted to stop the side I was on as well.  I back off and don't post in hopes that will bring an end to a thread that is excruciating to read.  Or I see no reason to post.   Then when I don't post (I turn right, I turn left, I stand still - they are all wrong in your eyes), you attack me for that as well as when I do post.  You are not recognizing the right thing when it is right in front of your eyes.  You think I have some kind of preplanned tactic to attack you by not posting or by posting or by telling you what I think or ??? - no matter what I say (or others say, as well) you attack it.  The traits you admire in "others" on your side - you do not recognize those same traits in others fighting on the other side.   There appears to be only a handful of people here at Lottery Post that that have that spirit.  A lot of the same people jump into these threads.  They have things to say, they have opinions to express and they jump in.

"you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion"  No I have never once tried to control you.  I attempted to get you to understand the situation and hoped that common sense would lead you to the same conclusions that I pointed out.  Obviously, you did not reach the same conclusions because you continued posting...see C):

C)  Not at all.  These battles are not going to be solved.  I can't convince anyone of my opinions - You can't convince anyone of yours.  Why continue to argue?  Why?  What sense does it make?  We are helpless to bomb each other like real wars in real countries - and that is the only way any of us will stop.  But why does it have to come to that.  Everyone has stated their opinions at some point - everyone should just stop the arguing at that point.  Just bow out gracefully.  Or wait until Todd decides to lock the thread.  I'd prefer grownups to stop on their own without Todd's intervention.  If you actually have some other plan, post it, I'd like to hear it.

"you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on."  Another case where you are misinterpreting an issue, this time regarding your grammar, spelling, etc;...see D)...

D)  Check back carefully in the QP vs SP thread.  I wasn't the first to bring up your grammar/spelling.  However, while it has nothing to do with the actual subject, it does have something to do with these threads.  EVERYONE here should put some effort into spelling/grammar if they are going to publically post.  It is rather easy in comparison to what it used to be.  Todd has even put a spell-checker in the editors.  I don't ask perfection.  I don't ask something that I don't do for every post I make.  I used to keep a dictionary close by.  Everyone makes typos - that is truly something that can't be helped.  Otherwise, the written word is all that we have here to communicate.  That is why it is important to see at least 5th grade English rules being followed.  It makes it easier to understand.  It helps for people to take you seriously.  How would you like Todd to write in some haphazard way?  How about instructions for how to use your computer or programs written slipshod manner?

I might also point out that I did not continually harp on you about spelling/grammar.  I made my point and do try not try to bring up the issue continually - even though it plagues me to sift through it on a daily basis.  But you don't recognize that.   Something else you may not be aware of is the fact that I have mentioned to others on here how to use spell-check.  Some have followed through and it isn't personal pride that it was me that told them, it is just a good feeling to know that they improved themselves.  I don't brag about it.  I don't bring it up.  Others have taken an indignant position and continue to ignore spelling/grammar when posting.   I think people from other countries take great pride in their English/spelling/grammar and I silently give them a lot of credit. Sometimes, I've given them credit publically.  Many do a better job than I do.  I would like to see the same pride displayed in these and other forums from us.

"the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is."  I pointed out that this statment is not 100% true and even admitted that you have a point in regards to me not making everything 100% public, because I don't believe it is the right thing to do.  I don't air all dirty laundry for everyone.  I don't try to get into arguments over who is a lying at the moment because it ends up that every post here will simply be "you're lying"..."you're a liar"...see E)...

E) Well, you may have a point.  I don't make everything public.  Actually my opinion is that several things should be private.   For instance, you'd never catch me on Jerry Springer even if I remotely had any of the problems people display on there.

However, to point out, you never volunteered anything to ridge about his "tactics" - until I mentioned it in my last post.  So, you really can't claim that your record is perfect either.  I wouldn't give you bragging rights on the issue.

"what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post"  Again, pointing out to you that if your statement is even the slightest bit true, then ridge has NEVER had a grip because he skips any real content and moves straight to derogatory remarks and accuses everyone that he doesn't like...see F)...

F)  Yeah, ridge is the pinnacle of debate.  Almost all his posts are somehow derogatory against some religion or some nation or some person.  His posts seldom offer any indication that he is on the same page as you regarding religion.  Many of his posts suggest that he isn't religious because he is a regular sinner.

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"You can try to teach grammer all you want..."   ~ joker ~

 

"Grammer"   LOLGreen laughLOL 

That's a classic!

We have a Christian hating illiterate iranian cab driver nutjob with a Napoleon complex and anger issues teaching us the mysteries of the universe!  LOL 

I'm a Spacemonkey!

No! I'm a Bacteria Ape!

No, wait a minute! I'm a Scum-Jumper!

Joker's a good name for him.

Cuz he's just a joke.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Jun 26, 2011

Hurray!

Looks like somebody's happy about the latest news from New York.

jarasan's avatarjarasan

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Jun 25, 2011

I saw a chart showing modern man, Homo Erectus, and Neanderthals sharing a common ancestor with Australopithecines. Viewing it as a family tree, it would show modern man's ancestors as Homo Habilis and Cro-magnum. There is evidence the difference between Cro-magnum and modern man is so slight that now they are referring to Cro-magnum as modern man. Evidence from remains found in caves in France suggests Cro-magnum and Neanderthals existed side by side as little as 10,000 years ago.

A complete family tree would probably show 6000 different species of Primates compared to the 187 species that exist today. Over half the branches are missing so there is still not a direct link showing a common ancestor between modern man and the other Primates. The Natural History Museum in D.C. has an extensive collection of prehistoric humanoid species (if you're interested).

Don't forget Ms. Sasquatch? Mrs. Bigfoot? I believe one a my wimmins definitely sasquatchy..... scratched me all up and stuff.

XGirlfriend

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jun 26, 2011

I know the truth.

I'm right, you're wrong.

You're evil, I'm not.

God planned it this way. No matter how ludicrous it sounds, it was God's will. .

Left curves....God did it intentionally...

Speed of light...God sped it up.....

Who created God?....He has an exmeption card in his wallet....

Bad things happening to good people......The Devil is to blame.....

Chaos in the world.....God's plan...

20,000 kids dying every single day........It's not God's fault Man is evil.....

Earthquakes in San Francisco......God hates fags....

No matter how good or bad, there is an answer for everything. Either God's will, or the Devil.

See how neatly wrapped everything is?

You name it, we have an answer.

UFOs.....demons....

Other religions...........Satan decieving the multitudes.....

Why do men have nipples? .........Another of God's left curves.....

Humans have tail bones..........A punishment by God....

Mudskippers........God testing us...

See, everything can be easily explained in our life repair kit. In fact, we have a special offer today only. Buy one answer, and get the second answer at half price. But you must act NOW !

well,   you added some rediculous arrogant aspect to it,  and you are confused when facing supreme confidence in a situation, and turning it into an arrogant mud sling.

but yeah,  kind of a high 5 on your part for illustraing why i can afford to be confident,  because i do have the answers.

with the exceptions of ...

(1) God didn't speed up the light,  He created the light to travel at the speed He desires.   He can mash the gas,  or tap the brakes on that issue anytime He wants.   i never said He "sped it up".   you need to pay more attention during our history lessons.

(2) God does not hate "fags" (as you call them).   He loves gay people,  so don't take your angst and turn it into HATE.

everything else is in the ballpark,  thanks for demonstrating why Christianity has been immovable since it's inception

 

not sure about the nipple thing.  we can let you specuhate on that one,  since you have some weird obsession with it

 

what is your "truth" flavor of the day?

 

how about an explanation on sasquatch + aliens,   and don't forget,  you got a little hot under the collar when i noted none of you can ever definitively define "evolution"

after i noted that,  your angst kicked into overdrive. 

why,  if your postion in life is so "cemented"?

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Jun 26, 2011

I am not going through 9 years or even anything but your current post where you lied.  I reframed from calling you a liar.  I said "I think your judgment is bias and that you make up stuff to suit your taste."

The lies that you posted are in grey - the correct reasoning or version is preceeded by a letter and a full explanation by me.  I've added minor comments to help you understand, those are in blue, below.

**********************************************************

"your the one that attempted to get me to shut up in the statistically speaking thread, just because i made anti system remarks..."  No, that is not true, I have never tried to shut you up to prevent you from posting your opinions.   See B) below for the real reason

B) There comes a point where the normal person can see that the debate cannot be won.  You seem to think that I am trying to "bully" (to use your word) you.  Sorry, you misinterpret my intent.  I was hoping to bring some common sense to the situation.  I wasn't trying to shut you up.  I also attempted to stop the side I was on as well.  I back off and don't post in hopes that will bring an end to a thread that is excruciating to read.  Or I see no reason to post.   Then when I don't post (I turn right, I turn left, I stand still - they are all wrong in your eyes), you attack me for that as well as when I do post.  You are not recognizing the right thing when it is right in front of your eyes.  You think I have some kind of preplanned tactic to attack you by not posting or by posting or by telling you what I think or ??? - no matter what I say (or others say, as well) you attack it.  The traits you admire in "others" on your side - you do not recognize those same traits in others fighting on the other side.   There appears to be only a handful of people here at Lottery Post that that have that spirit.  A lot of the same people jump into these threads.  They have things to say, they have opinions to express and they jump in.

"you always say something to me,  because your true wish is to turn me into a politically correct version of what you want me to be,  so you can control and filter what i say,  so it becomes your opinion"  No I have never once tried to control you.  I attempted to get you to understand the situation and hoped that common sense would lead you to the same conclusions that I pointed out.  Obviously, you did not reach the same conclusions because you continued posting...see C):

C)  Not at all.  These battles are not going to be solved.  I can't convince anyone of my opinions - You can't convince anyone of yours.  Why continue to argue?  Why?  What sense does it make?  We are helpless to bomb each other like real wars in real countries - and that is the only way any of us will stop.  But why does it have to come to that.  Everyone has stated their opinions at some point - everyone should just stop the arguing at that point.  Just bow out gracefully.  Or wait until Todd decides to lock the thread.  I'd prefer grownups to stop on their own without Todd's intervention.  If you actually have some other plan, post it, I'd like to hear it.

"you started attacking my grammar,  or garbage that has nothing to do with what goes on."  Another case where you are misinterpreting an issue, this time regarding your grammar, spelling, etc;...see D)...

D)  Check back carefully in the QP vs SP thread.  I wasn't the first to bring up your grammar/spelling.  However, while it has nothing to do with the actual subject, it does have something to do with these threads.  EVERYONE here should put some effort into spelling/grammar if they are going to publically post.  It is rather easy in comparison to what it used to be.  Todd has even put a spell-checker in the editors.  I don't ask perfection.  I don't ask something that I don't do for every post I make.  I used to keep a dictionary close by.  Everyone makes typos - that is truly something that can't be helped.  Otherwise, the written word is all that we have here to communicate.  That is why it is important to see at least 5th grade English rules being followed.  It makes it easier to understand.  It helps for people to take you seriously.  How would you like Todd to write in some haphazard way?  How about instructions for how to use your computer or programs written slipshod manner?

I might also point out that I did not continually harp on you about spelling/grammar.  I made my point and do try not try to bring up the issue continually - even though it plagues me to sift through it on a daily basis.  But you don't recognize that.   Something else you may not be aware of is the fact that I have mentioned to others on here how to use spell-check.  Some have followed through and it isn't personal pride that it was me that told them, it is just a good feeling to know that they improved themselves.  I don't brag about it.  I don't bring it up.  Others have taken an indignant position and continue to ignore spelling/grammar when posting.   I think people from other countries take great pride in their English/spelling/grammar and I silently give them a lot of credit. Sometimes, I've given them credit publically.  Many do a better job than I do.  I would like to see the same pride displayed in these and other forums from us.

"the difference between you and me is when it is wrong, i will call it what it is."  I pointed out that this statment is not 100% true and even admitted that you have a point in regards to me not making everything 100% public, because I don't believe it is the right thing to do.  I don't air all dirty laundry for everyone.  I don't try to get into arguments over who is a lying at the moment because it ends up that every post here will simply be "you're lying"..."you're a liar"...see E)...

E) Well, you may have a point.  I don't make everything public.  Actually my opinion is that several things should be private.   For instance, you'd never catch me on Jerry Springer even if I remotely had any of the problems people display on there.

However, to point out, you never volunteered anything to ridge about his "tactics" - until I mentioned it in my last post.  So, you really can't claim that your record is perfect either.  I wouldn't give you bragging rights on the issue.

"what ridge said was true,  the minute guys like you beging to lose your grip on that marginalize squeeze job,  they move straight to lying about the person,  and you did that about me in your above post"  Again, pointing out to you that if your statement is even the slightest bit true, then ridge has NEVER had a grip because he skips any real content and moves straight to derogatory remarks and accuses everyone that he doesn't like...see F)...

F)  Yeah, ridge is the pinnacle of debate.  Almost all his posts are somehow derogatory against some religion or some nation or some person.  His posts seldom offer any indication that he is on the same page as you regarding religion.  Many of his posts suggest that he isn't religious because he is a regular sinner.

not to worry,  i have something for you as well later on,  truecritic

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Jun 26, 2011

Don't forget Ms. Sasquatch? Mrs. Bigfoot? I believe one a my wimmins definitely sasquatchy..... scratched me all up and stuff.

XGirlfriend

Sasquatch?

That specimen is clearly 50% sasquatch at the most, 25% Spacemonkey, 23% Puddle-Piddler and 2% Bacteria Ape.

Dead ringer for an old ex-mother-in-law of mine though.

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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jun 26, 2011

not to worry,  i have something for you as well later on,  truecritic

Please bear in mind what I said peviously: If I go right, you don't like it.  If I go left, you don't like it.  If I stand still, you don't like it.  No matter what anyone says to you, you don't like it.

With that in mind, if you are going to make comments regarding my post and what I said and my explanation of what everything that I said means, then it better be in the form of:

1) OK, I understand

2) I don't understand...XXX  (and then ask a specific question).  And I will try to answer you.

If you simply don't like what I said and you want to argue, you are on your own.  Don't expect me to keep explaining the truth to you.  I originated what I said, I know what I meant and I explained what I meant, you are not competent to tell me what I meant.  That's like going to the art museum and explaining what van Gogh meant when he painted a picture - as if you and you alone always know the truth and the artist doesn't know what he meant at all.

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