Lover found lottery winner's body

Oct 30, 2010, 10:45 am (109 comments)

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A lottery winner who hanged himself in his Leicestershire home in central England was found by a live-in lover his family had no idea existed, an inquest has heard.

Richard Lang died at his house in Broughton Astley, Leicestershire on May 18. The 31-year-old had won £867,454 in the U.K. National Lottery in 2005.

On Wednesday an inquest at Leicester Town Hall heard he was found by Joshua Jones, who told police he was in a relationship with the British Waterways worker.

But the inquest heard Lang's family had no idea of Jones's existence, let alone the fact he was living at the house.

Coroner Martin Gotheridge told the court it seemed Lang had a "number of lives".  Jones, from Wrexham, was not at the inquest, but two statements were read to the court by the coroner.

He said on May 17 Lang, who carried on working as a British Waterways engineer despite his lottery win, came back from work as usual at 4.30pm.

"He went into the dining room and sorted out some paperwork, I thought that was unusual as he could do that at any time and it wasn't what he usually did in the evenings," his statement said. He said the couple ate dinner, watched a film then went to bed at about 11pm.

The coroner said, "He then says that they slept together and Lang would often say that sex was pointless and everything was pointless as nothing made him excited or interested."

The following morning Lang got up at 7.40am as normal — the inquest heard he was usually picked up by a colleague at 8am.  Jones's statement said, "I usually heard the TV come on as Lang usually watches the news as he eats his breakfast. I heard something else on the TV, it was much louder than usual. I was half asleep and I heard some noises on the stairs which I assumed was Lang getting ready for work."

But he said when he heard the van arrive, he noticed Lang did not leave the house as normal. "After approximately five minutes I thought it was strange that the van was still out on the driveway so I went downstairs. "As I looked down to the ground floor I thought I saw Lang kneeling on the floor. I went down the stairs where I realized Lang was hanging from the bannister using the Hoover cord."

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rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

What a sad story. It's too bad he didn't get some kind of help first but it's clear he wasn't in his right mind. Really sad.

Daveyl

This is an example of how such a dramatic change in one's lifestyle does not cure the winner's underlying insecurities. People believe they are suddenly invulnerable and flushed with power and notoriety after they receive their winnings. What these folks misunderstand about this phenomenon is that they are still themselves, with all of their personal weaknesses, foibles, 'baggage' and other characteristics intact, both positive and negative. This man was in all probability mobbed by people he knew, and prevailed upon to give up his money. Personal vices such as drinking, gambling, womanizing and drug abuse are accentuated by the fact that all are affordable, and in virtually limitless supply.  A person who wins the lottery is vulnerable to all types of scams, and their eventual paranoia develops which precludes them from functioning in society as a normal human being. Marriage proposals, lawsuits, financial fraud, ex-wives, girlfriends, associates, charities, fair weather friends, family members and even an occasional extortion appear with lightning swiftness, overwhelming the hapless neophyte with legal challenges and difficult decisions regarding their finances. I think it behooves those who don't know How to be rich to research the subject of sudden wealth, and learn from those who've experienced such life-changing events.

dphillips's avatardphillips

This is a sad story, indeed.  May his soul rest in peace.

dingo's avatardingo

Quote: Originally posted by Daveyl on Oct 30, 2010

This is an example of how such a dramatic change in one's lifestyle does not cure the winner's underlying insecurities. People believe they are suddenly invulnerable and flushed with power and notoriety after they receive their winnings. What these folks misunderstand about this phenomenon is that they are still themselves, with all of their personal weaknesses, foibles, 'baggage' and other characteristics intact, both positive and negative. This man was in all probability mobbed by people he knew, and prevailed upon to give up his money. Personal vices such as drinking, gambling, womanizing and drug abuse are accentuated by the fact that all are affordable, and in virtually limitless supply.  A person who wins the lottery is vulnerable to all types of scams, and their eventual paranoia develops which precludes them from functioning in society as a normal human being. Marriage proposals, lawsuits, financial fraud, ex-wives, girlfriends, associates, charities, fair weather friends, family members and even an occasional extortion appear with lightning swiftness, overwhelming the hapless neophyte with legal challenges and difficult decisions regarding their finances. I think it behooves those who don't know How to be rich to research the subject of sudden wealth, and learn from those who've experienced such life-changing events.

I Agree!Well said.

 

Are you a counselor? May I ask. Comment such as this should be posted more often. Awesome writing!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

It would be interesting to know what was left of the money and if Joshua Jones stood to gain any by Lang's demise.

I wonder if they did a Toxicology test.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Daveyl on Oct 30, 2010

This is an example of how such a dramatic change in one's lifestyle does not cure the winner's underlying insecurities. People believe they are suddenly invulnerable and flushed with power and notoriety after they receive their winnings. What these folks misunderstand about this phenomenon is that they are still themselves, with all of their personal weaknesses, foibles, 'baggage' and other characteristics intact, both positive and negative. This man was in all probability mobbed by people he knew, and prevailed upon to give up his money. Personal vices such as drinking, gambling, womanizing and drug abuse are accentuated by the fact that all are affordable, and in virtually limitless supply.  A person who wins the lottery is vulnerable to all types of scams, and their eventual paranoia develops which precludes them from functioning in society as a normal human being. Marriage proposals, lawsuits, financial fraud, ex-wives, girlfriends, associates, charities, fair weather friends, family members and even an occasional extortion appear with lightning swiftness, overwhelming the hapless neophyte with legal challenges and difficult decisions regarding their finances. I think it behooves those who don't know How to be rich to research the subject of sudden wealth, and learn from those who've experienced such life-changing events.

Blah, blah, blah.

Let's all group hug now.

Typical, touchy-feely, west-coast-nut-job  nonsense.

larry3100's avatarlarry3100

This is a case for Sherlock Holmes. Type

LANTERN's avatarLANTERN

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 30, 2010

Blah, blah, blah.

Let's all group hug now.

Typical, touchy-feely, west-coast-nut-job  nonsense.

For a moment I thought that you said "Let's all group hung now", It scared me some.

LANTERN's avatarLANTERN

Quote: Originally posted by larry3100 on Oct 30, 2010

This is a case for Sherlock Holmes. Type

Or for Adrian Monk.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by LANTERN on Oct 30, 2010

For a moment I thought that you said "Let's all group hung now", It scared me some.

No LANTERN, I was just being "sensitive" for the gentleperson from California. Hippy (no animals or trees were harmed in the writing of this post) (no transfat or salt was consumed either)

LANTERN's avatarLANTERN

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 30, 2010

No LANTERN, I was just being "sensitive" for the gentleperson from California. Hippy (no animals or trees were harmed in the writing of this post) (no transfat or salt was consumed either)

I know what you mean!

Daveyl

rdgrnr, you should read the stories of people who attained quick wealth, then committed suicide, or became poor again due to their inability to properly invest and save their fortunes. The singer for Nirvana is a good example. He had money, fame, good looks, a beautiful wife, a mansion and a brand new baby. Still, he ended a very promising life. A lottery winner in Texas took his own life, after he found his friends and family were soaking him dry. A woman in Pennsylvania won TWO Lotto jackpots totaling over $5,000,000.00, but she now lives on Social Security in a small trailer, and is deeply in debt. This article is a wake-up call for potential winners to examine the factors that caused these people to go broke or kill themselves, and learn to avoid the pitfalls of sudden wealth.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Daveyl on Oct 30, 2010

rdgrnr, you should read the stories of people who attained quick wealth, then committed suicide, or became poor again due to their inability to properly invest and save their fortunes. The singer for Nirvana is a good example. He had money, fame, good looks, a beautiful wife, a mansion and a brand new baby. Still, he ended a very promising life. A lottery winner in Texas took his own life, after he found his friends and family were soaking him dry. A woman in Pennsylvania won TWO Lotto jackpots totaling over $5,000,000.00, but she now lives on Social Security in a small trailer, and is deeply in debt. This article is a wake-up call for potential winners to examine the factors that caused these people to go broke or kill themselves, and learn to avoid the pitfalls of sudden wealth.

You've been preaching about the evils of the lottery since you got here so I don't know if you're a gambling man or not but if so I would bet you dollars to donuts that a lot  more people commit suicide over the pressures of too little money than the dreaded "pitfalls of sudden wealth." 

I would even go so far as to say that the "pitfalls of sudden wealth" may have even possibly prevented a number of suicides.

 

thegrrrr8est

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 30, 2010

Blah, blah, blah.

Let's all group hug now.

Typical, touchy-feely, west-coast-nut-job  nonsense.

Well, aren't you just a little ray of sunshine.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by thegrrrr8est on Oct 31, 2010

Well, aren't you just a little ray of sunshine.

At least daveyl admits to being from the land of fruits and nuts.

You declined to specify your area or gender.

I'd guess San Francisco and debatable

Nino224's avatarNino224

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 30, 2010

Blah, blah, blah.

Let's all group hug now.

Typical, touchy-feely, west-coast-nut-job  nonsense.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Nino224's avatarNino224

Quote: Originally posted by thegrrrr8est on Oct 31, 2010

Well, aren't you just a little ray of sunshine.

Don't mind him. He hasn't been himself since 11/08. He'll be a little nicer on Wednesday, for a little while anyway, LOL!!!!

Daveyl

I "preach" against a vice that is sanctioned by the government, and adjusted after it's inception with odds so staggering, it is virtually impossible to win jackpots.  The government takes in billions each year from people who don't win the lottery. (I will postulate that California's Lottery was developed by liberals to circumvent our Proposition 13 restrictions on housing taxes, which were ostensibly levied to fund schools. One of the selling points offered by lottery proponents was "Our Schools win, too". I've already described how California's liberal legislative/judicial amalgamation allows liberals to pass tax hikes, overrule gay marriage bans and push through multi-billion dollar stem cell research funding over the objections of many Californians.) I'm sure a lottery win will cheer up a depressed person, but they find out soon enough that it's not as easy to be wealthy as they thought.

Daveyl

Okay, you asked for it:

Q: What do you get with 28 Tennessee people?

A: A full set of teeth

 

Q: Why do Tennessee babies have brown stains on their heads?

A: Their mothers chew tobacco while they breast feed

 

Q: Where were all of Tennessee's young men during the "Deliverance" movie casting call?

A: They were auditioning for the banjo player role

 

Q: Why are Tennessee men so happy at their sister's wedding?

A: 'Cause they're the grooms

 

Q: Where does a Tennessee husband leave a note for the milk man?

A: In his wife's underwear

 

Q: Why don't Tennessee people drink Koolaid?

A: They can't pour two quarts of water in those little packets

 

Q: What is the Tennessee Space Program?

A: They tape two hamsters to a PopTart

 

Q: What does the 'N' stand for on a Tennessee high school pennant?

A: "Knowledge"

LotteryJunkiE99's avatarLotteryJunkiE99

I think ANY tragedy should be treated with DIGNITY and RESPECT.    I am sorry for this young man's life that is now lost,   sometimes evil comes in many forms, even comments like those of some of the more cynical posters on here who are obviously also jaded and that transparency is only too obvious.  Only in their own heads is there the wanton error for it to be mistaken for sarcasm or the group/ village joker comment, but of course we all know better.    That or they don't actually care anymore either which is the point that got this young man to take this unfortunate step.    The decision is  everyones' and we should not be too quick to judge or criticize because people can react in any way, shape, or form regardless of the "deemed" "advantages" or disadvantages" they may "seem" to have.   I wish his soul peace and his family also if they are in any way suffering his loss right now, without understanding the why's and how's of it all. 

 

As for Tennessee, I've been to Western Tennessee,   I can tell you the people are warm and friendly overall, but ignorance is rampant and they are just as bad in their irrationalities of life and neighbor than any other part of town in this country or elsewhere.   There aren't bad Places, only good and bad people, dumb and wise people, sensitive and insensitive people, and jaded and non-jaded people, I do however think all those swamps play a part in the mind's development, as does all that traffic in the cities, both can drive you equally insane, and only respectful comments have any effect.    Therefore shame on those who make accusations and insinuate to know all the details of the lives of these people and their tragedy like their small swamp folk have programmed them to believe so from reading only a short article on the matter and preempted them to deem so and conclude so with jeers and jackle laughs if they immediately don't.   At least all city "non-sense" is peer-reviewed in international journals and open for civil debate and with all propriety attached in all academic situations.     Shoes Mandatory.

 

Patriot - and that is True Americanism.   Land of the Brave, Free, AND Smart - even though that's only half of the people that last one, but here's to it that it grows to at least 99% US FlagApprove   -    God and Constitution Bless!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by LotteryJunkiE99 on Oct 31, 2010

I think ANY tragedy should be treated with DIGNITY and RESPECT.    I am sorry for this young man's life that is now lost,   sometimes evil comes in many forms, even comments like those of some of the more cynical posters on here who are obviously also jaded and that transparency is only too obvious.  Only in their own heads is there the wanton error for it to be mistaken for sarcasm or the group/ village joker comment, but of course we all know better.    That or they don't actually care anymore either which is the point that got this young man to take this unfortunate step.    The decision is  everyones' and we should not be too quick to judge or criticize because people can react in any way, shape, or form regardless of the "deemed" "advantages" or disadvantages" they may "seem" to have.   I wish his soul peace and his family also if they are in any way suffering his loss right now, without understanding the why's and how's of it all. 

 

As for Tennessee, I've been to Western Tennessee,   I can tell you the people are warm and friendly overall, but ignorance is rampant and they are just as bad in their irrationalities of life and neighbor than any other part of town in this country or elsewhere.   There aren't bad Places, only good and bad people, dumb and wise people, sensitive and insensitive people, and jaded and non-jaded people, I do however think all those swamps play a part in the mind's development, as does all that traffic in the cities, both can drive you equally insane, and only respectful comments have any effect.    Therefore shame on those who make accusations and insinuate to know all the details of the lives of these people and their tragedy like their small swamp folk have programmed them to believe so from reading only a short article on the matter and preempted them to deem so and conclude so with jeers and jackle laughs if they immediately don't.   At least all city "non-sense" is peer-reviewed in international journals and open for civil debate and with all propriety attached in all academic situations.     Shoes Mandatory.

 

Patriot - and that is True Americanism.   Land of the Brave, Free, AND Smart - even though that's only half of the people that last one, but here's to it that it grows to at least 99% US FlagApprove   -    God and Constitution Bless!

I agree but don't be too hard on the ol boy, he's from californy. He jest don't know no better. I believe he mighta picked up Dutch Elm Disease from huggin trees or somethin. Round here we call it tetched. Tetched in the head. Thanks for stickin up fer me. Yer right about West Tennessee, them flatlanders are all tetched in the head back thataway. They ain't got sense enough to pour piss out of a boot.

LotteryJunkiE99's avatarLotteryJunkiE99

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 31, 2010

I agree but don't be too hard on the ol boy, he's from californy. He jest don't know no better. I believe he mighta picked up Dutch Elm Disease from huggin trees or somethin. Round here we call it tetched. Tetched in the head. Thanks for stickin up fer me. Yer right about West Tennessee, them flatlanders are all tetched in the head back thataway. They ain't got sense enough to pour piss out of a boot.

I wasn't.    You are obviously trying to change things around now so you don't seem as much of a mule.    How pathetic can you be?    I'm glad you're not the majority, but only the slag right living in the dregs of civil society, in any case, please wear shoes.  I still care about folk like you, even if I stare you down when you act like the  rampant-kicking mule you love to be.    I'm sure you know all about your inner animal, your comments sure point to it.    I bet your neighing in accordance as we speak.     Thumbs Up   I'd lead you to some hay and water,  but you have your swamp and reeds.     Enjoy your crackle and munch, heard I'm sure,   up to a miles away.  much to the delight of the other village banjo-players.    Nice to know your still musical despite your lice, cackle, and shortcomings.  Skeptical

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by LotteryJunkiE99 on Oct 31, 2010

I wasn't.    You are obviously trying to change things around now so you don't seem as much of a mule.    How pathetic can you be?    I'm glad you're not the majority, but only the slag right living in the dregs of civil society, in any case, please wear shoes.  I still care about folk like you, even if I stare you down when you act like the  rampant-kicking mule you love to be.    I'm sure you know all about your inner animal, your comments sure point to it.    I bet your neighing in accordance as we speak.     Thumbs Up   I'd lead you to some hay and water,  but you have your swamp and reeds.     Enjoy your crackle and munch, heard I'm sure,   up to a miles away.  much to the delight of the other village banjo-players.    Nice to know your still musical despite your lice, cackle, and shortcomings.  Skeptical

No, he don't live here, he lives in californy like I told ya son. You jest eaten up with the dumb aintcha boy? Still right nice of ya takin my side and all. You must like yer rice crispees with all thet talk about cracklin and poppin and snappin and such. Yer from californy too aintcha boy? No sir, I didnt know the boy played the banjo but maybe we could git him and you out here and he could play while you do some kind of west coast californy fairy dance or somethin whilst we shoot are guns in the air. I'll see if the lil woman can whoop up some keesh and yogert and all thet stuff you west coast dandies like to eat. The McNutts down the mountain are gonna love you. How'd you know bout my brother LeMule? Well quiet its kept he's gonna love seein you sashayin round the mountain here and all. Dam strait him and the McNutts will commence to fightin over you. Dont where no perfyoom whatever you do. Its gonna be hard enough keepin everbuddy off a you. LeMule says he's gonna take a real good bath sometime afore ya git here so dont wurry bout thet. He wants you to post a picksure of yer own self so he can eyeball ya real good. He's gettin all werked up now so dont take two long gittin hear.

LotteryJunkiE99's avatarLotteryJunkiE99


So not only are you further reinforcing your obvious Rodentia-Self and of those around you and probably those close to you, but you are you are also giving the Good People of Tennessee a bad name, as well as this site and its visitors. I bet Todd's too modest to permanently ban you, but I sure hope your other villagers do when they hear you've been on the internet posting 3-word-plus comment responses. You are a disgrace to down to your unwashed feet, and I hope when we hear of you in the LotteryPost obituaries due to old age and grouchiness, 33 post pop-up the same day saying: "Good Riddance." Don't doubt for a minute, that it won't happen. Is it really your fault though, your being this in-bred with Uncle LaMule's help? I pity you more than I care to, all the same I do wish a quicksand pond opens up near your home, be sure to have JRsoina post your last words, which I'm sure will be something about feet, animals, or livestock, all the same we all know where you'll eventually wind up, so be sure to take your banjo with you because they love accessories down there for you know who for you know where for you know what. Oh yes, and take your guns and speech too, they love correcting people even more than I do. And trust me, they won't take no for answer, much Like you don't. You'll have even more fun there than here, especially since you specialize in all this meandering half-celled protozoa worst-of sample of animal-likeness. Say hi to LeMule too, and make sure he takes his banjo too. And please take some numbers they will fighting so hard over you all, they will have to wait in line. Again, while you ARE here, try to wear shoes all the same, if only to reduce fungal re-distribution. You can say you did that much for your Earthly home.    Thumbs Up

PERDUE

Quote: Originally posted by Daveyl on Oct 30, 2010

This is an example of how such a dramatic change in one's lifestyle does not cure the winner's underlying insecurities. People believe they are suddenly invulnerable and flushed with power and notoriety after they receive their winnings. What these folks misunderstand about this phenomenon is that they are still themselves, with all of their personal weaknesses, foibles, 'baggage' and other characteristics intact, both positive and negative. This man was in all probability mobbed by people he knew, and prevailed upon to give up his money. Personal vices such as drinking, gambling, womanizing and drug abuse are accentuated by the fact that all are affordable, and in virtually limitless supply.  A person who wins the lottery is vulnerable to all types of scams, and their eventual paranoia develops which precludes them from functioning in society as a normal human being. Marriage proposals, lawsuits, financial fraud, ex-wives, girlfriends, associates, charities, fair weather friends, family members and even an occasional extortion appear with lightning swiftness, overwhelming the hapless neophyte with legal challenges and difficult decisions regarding their finances. I think it behooves those who don't know How to be rich to research the subject of sudden wealth, and learn from those who've experienced such life-changing events.

I agree with you 1000%. Suddenly comming into a large volume of money is a very overwhelming experience. Unless you were born into wealth, you have to learn how to be rich. Unfortunately, it's not like you can browse the yellow pages and find a "Learn how to be rich school." I always ask people what they would do if they win a jackpot on the lottery.

The initial response is usually:

Quit my job.

Travel.

Pick up a hobby.

My next question is, "What will you do to fill the hours that used to be your working hours for the rest of your life?" The human species is not designed to be idle. We are a fickle lot. Boredom has a tendency to set in very quick. Hence the term "Idle mind Devil's workshop."

What we fail to realize is that while we are living a life of leisure, everyone we know is still a working stiff and can't relate to our windfall. Now you are faced with jealousy and envy. Some subtle and some open.

There are a lot of people that can relate to the pressure of having money in our everyday life. Most of these people are everyday working stiffs. The only difference is they make more money than us or their money came from a lawsuit settlement, death benefits, inheritance, sale of personal property, etc....

Many of us have encountered people who give us "sob" stories when they think we make bank. We have relatives, friends, co-workers, neighbors, organizations, ect.... etc.... that are on the receiving end of someone's expectations to give to them.

Only GOD knows what this man was dealing with everyday after his win. Why did his family not know about his life and where he lived? Could it be they too were part of the problem?

Bottom line...........

If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by LotteryJunkiE99 on Oct 31, 2010


So not only are you further reinforcing your obvious Rodentia-Self and of those around you and probably those close to you, but you are you are also giving the Good People of Tennessee a bad name, as well as this site and its visitors. I bet Todd's too modest to permanently ban you, but I sure hope your other villagers do when they hear you've been on the internet posting 3-word-plus comment responses. You are a disgrace to down to your unwashed feet, and I hope when we hear of you in the LotteryPost obituaries due to old age and grouchiness, 33 post pop-up the same day saying: "Good Riddance." Don't doubt for a minute, that it won't happen. Is it really your fault though, your being this in-bred with Uncle LaMule's help? I pity you more than I care to, all the same I do wish a quicksand pond opens up near your home, be sure to have JRsoina post your last words, which I'm sure will be something about feet, animals, or livestock, all the same we all know where you'll eventually wind up, so be sure to take your banjo with you because they love accessories down there for you know who for you know where for you know what. Oh yes, and take your guns and speech too, they love correcting people even more than I do. And trust me, they won't take no for answer, much Like you don't. You'll have even more fun there than here, especially since you specialize in all this meandering half-celled protozoa worst-of sample of animal-likeness. Say hi to LeMule too, and make sure he takes his banjo too. And please take some numbers they will fighting so hard over you all, they will have to wait in line. Again, while you ARE here, try to wear shoes all the same, if only to reduce fungal re-distribution. You can say you did that much for your Earthly home.    Thumbs Up

Shucks, heh heh, no sir, I ain't never been down to see miss Rodentia my own self, hee hee. Did LeMule tell you that? I sware I aint never let a set a eyes on her. I dont care nothin bout what a site she is or how many visiters she gits. I desplaned at LeMule how you got some kinda foot feetish and he says you can pick at his foots all night long while he sings sweet love songs atcha as long as you keep in mind that he's ticklish as a pump grinder. But only he gits to pick at his foots at the supper table. He dont like makin no specktacle otta his love affaares so he said to not go to gittin no funny ideas and gittin all crazy on him and his foots at the supper table. He said you can look at his foots while he picks at em at the supper table but dont tetch. I'd listen to him if I was you. Dont let yer foot feetish git yer ass whooped son. LeMule dont play when it comes to sweet love. I caint git inta all thet fungal re-distraction with ya. I'm married and my wife dont allow no fun gals round the house no more. And most of yer time here is gonna be spent with LeMule anyway. Or the McNutts if they win the fight. LeMule said to wear somethin nice and frilly fer when ya git off the bus.

Daveyl

LotteryJunkie,

I see. A Tennessee poster can label Californians with any derogatory terms he desires, but no one is allowed to reciprocate. Is that it?

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Daveyl on Oct 31, 2010

LotteryJunkie,

I see. A Tennessee poster can label Californians with any derogatory terms he desires, but no one is allowed to reciprocate. Is that it?

Now I dont nesarily believe in all thet purgatory stuff yer a talkin about but if you californy boys want to keep reciprocatin thets yer own bidness. I never said thet you wasn't allowed to reciprocate. I dont even wanna know about it. I dont believe theres any laws aginst it.  Some say thet you'll go blind if ya keep doin it all the time though. Jest keep it to yer own selfs. Nobody wants to hear bout thet kinda stuff no how. Its dissgustin. You californy dancin boys are a strange breed.

BaristaExpress's avatarBaristaExpress

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 31, 2010

Now I dont nesarily believe in all thet purgatory stuff yer a talkin about but if you californy boys want to keep reciprocatin thets yer own bidness. I never said thet you wasn't allowed to reciprocate. I dont even wanna know about it. I dont believe theres any laws aginst it.  Some say thet you'll go blind if ya keep doin it all the time though. Jest keep it to yer own selfs. Nobody wants to hear bout thet kinda stuff no how. Its dissgustin. You californy dancin boys are a strange breed.

Say rdgrnr, please don't put all of us so called Californy boys in the same pot! I am one of those that was born & raised there in Southern Californy. And I don't take to kindly to anyone puttin me in the same bunch with the real fruit cakes (like Daveyl) from that state!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by BaristaExpress on Oct 31, 2010

Say rdgrnr, please don't put all of us so called Californy boys in the same pot! I am one of those that was born & raised there in Southern Californy. And I don't take to kindly to anyone puttin me in the same bunch with the real fruit cakes (like Daveyl) from that state!

OK Barista, you got it.

I'm trying to help davey though, actually. 

The poor soul is just a little too high strung.

He gets to talking crazy once in a while and I try my best to reason with him and calm him down.

Jyna Log

The poor soul is just a little too high strung.

Lol... you just pulled this line 15 minutes ago in your personal-attack rant against me. How, un-original...

Is this really all you can do? get personal with people, spew hate, and call names to all who don't fit your rather narrow view of things? And, then act like you actually have said something intelligent (or better yet, that everyone else is such an idiot that you can't be bothered to grace us with your brain power)

Is your self-esteem really this bad that you must treat people so poorly?

You are a hateful, closed-minded person, and I'm surprised the administrators of this community tolerate you in such abundance here (no offense intended to them, nor a sleight on what must be the difficult task of running large websites of anonymous internet posters). It is after all a lottery forum, and not a political site where people like you can more freely spout their intolerance.  I would hope they wouldn't endorse such behavior from their well-established members, in the interest in a more approachable atmosphere. b/c eventually, people will push back at you, and it just creates noise (which, yes... I am contributing to). Which is why I'll have to practice a bit of self-restraint and not traffic here... b/c with every hate-rant you post, I feel more compelled to respond to you. And, that is obviously an utter waste of time, as you have nothing to teach. Only hate to spread.

you are a noise machine. You lob grenades and listen for the explosions...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 31, 2010

The poor soul is just a little too high strung.

Lol... you just pulled this line 15 minutes ago in your personal-attack rant against me. How, un-original...

Is this really all you can do? get personal with people, spew hate, and call names to all who don't fit your rather narrow view of things? And, then act like you actually have said something intelligent (or better yet, that everyone else is such an idiot that you can't be bothered to grace us with your brain power)

Is your self-esteem really this bad that you must treat people so poorly?

You are a hateful, closed-minded person, and I'm surprised the administrators of this community tolerate you in such abundance here (no offense intended to them, nor a sleight on what must be the difficult task of running large websites of anonymous internet posters). It is after all a lottery forum, and not a political site where people like you can more freely spout their intolerance.  I would hope they wouldn't endorse such behavior from their well-established members, in the interest in a more approachable atmosphere. b/c eventually, people will push back at you, and it just creates noise (which, yes... I am contributing to). Which is why I'll have to practice a bit of self-restraint and not traffic here... b/c with every hate-rant you post, I feel more compelled to respond to you. And, that is obviously an utter waste of time, as you have nothing to teach. Only hate to spread.

you are a noise machine. You lob grenades and listen for the explosions...

I see where you're coming from jyna and I know where you're going. That may be hard for you to accept but it is what it is.

When ultra-left, nanny-state liberals like you disagree with somebody's thoughts in their expression of their freedom of speech, you don't turn away and just not listen, you want them silenced so nobody can hear what they have to say i.e., "...I'm surprised the administrators of this community tolerate you..."  Aren't you just a tad bit embarrassed when you whine like that? Were you the classroom stool-pigeon when you were a kid?

Don't lecture me about hate either until you go back and  read your last couple posts on the other thread. You need to learn to debate in a civil manner without the foul-mouthed pejoratives and name calling. You should be ashamed of yourself for using that kind of language. There are women here. Indeed, you should apologize to them at the very least for your boorish behavior.

And for the record, I didn't lob any grenades and I didn't hear any explosions.

What I did see though, was a meltdown.

Yours.

MADDOG10's avatarMADDOG10

Quote: Originally posted by LotteryJunkiE99 on Oct 31, 2010

I think ANY tragedy should be treated with DIGNITY and RESPECT.    I am sorry for this young man's life that is now lost,   sometimes evil comes in many forms, even comments like those of some of the more cynical posters on here who are obviously also jaded and that transparency is only too obvious.  Only in their own heads is there the wanton error for it to be mistaken for sarcasm or the group/ village joker comment, but of course we all know better.    That or they don't actually care anymore either which is the point that got this young man to take this unfortunate step.    The decision is  everyones' and we should not be too quick to judge or criticize because people can react in any way, shape, or form regardless of the "deemed" "advantages" or disadvantages" they may "seem" to have.   I wish his soul peace and his family also if they are in any way suffering his loss right now, without understanding the why's and how's of it all. 

 

As for Tennessee, I've been to Western Tennessee,   I can tell you the people are warm and friendly overall, but ignorance is rampant and they are just as bad in their irrationalities of life and neighbor than any other part of town in this country or elsewhere.   There aren't bad Places, only good and bad people, dumb and wise people, sensitive and insensitive people, and jaded and non-jaded people, I do however think all those swamps play a part in the mind's development, as does all that traffic in the cities, both can drive you equally insane, and only respectful comments have any effect.    Therefore shame on those who make accusations and insinuate to know all the details of the lives of these people and their tragedy like their small swamp folk have programmed them to believe so from reading only a short article on the matter and preempted them to deem so and conclude so with jeers and jackle laughs if they immediately don't.   At least all city "non-sense" is peer-reviewed in international journals and open for civil debate and with all propriety attached in all academic situations.     Shoes Mandatory.

 

Patriot - and that is True Americanism.   Land of the Brave, Free, AND Smart - even though that's only half of the people that last one, but here's to it that it grows to at least 99% US FlagApprove   -    God and Constitution Bless!

Hey Lottojunkie99,

      Who was it that died and left you with the authoritive disease of the mouth?

Christ, even a fifth grader could read what Rdgrnr was saying and know that he was making a joke of the other pokie from California. And you were so intelligent to not even see that he was making fun of you also. Before you go around spewing uninteligent things about other people on this site may think, take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror. Do you actually conduct your life with that warped egg plant on your shoulders?

     The man that your trying to be a intellect about by trying to be an imposter of intelligence, has got more intelligence in his foot than you could ever hope to imagine.

First you say some of the people in Tennessee are  warm and friendly, then you make the ultimate slur that Ignorance runs rampant there. Then in another post you drag Rdgrnr through the mud, after you say that folks should be civil?  Well,what side of the coin did you toss on that one? 

Maybe we could start a forum that lets intelligents such as you and the other one go back and forth with each other to see who is the legitimate contender for Jack-Hat of the month.

      Try be civil and you just might get somewhere....!

Jyna Log

dude. this is a privately owned web-space as far as I know. You have no freedom of speech here, nor do I. And, it would be impossible for you to have your freedom of speech violated here, given that fact. come off it.

Note... when "ultra-right, moral policing, intolerant, bigoted folks like you" disagree with somebody's thoughts in their expression of their "freedom of speech" you don't call them names, call them a liar, and attack them or their family personally, and pretend to be so above it intellectually that you can't be bothered to engage in anything other than your hate-rhetoric. ESPECIALLY, when you claim to be a member of the "most tolerant" group on earth.

You know what they say... hate, breeds hate... You are full of it. I'll admit... obviously attempting to be reasonable in my exchange was a losing approach with you, so you got the best of me, and i pushed back. It happens. I'm human. At least I can admit it, rather than pretending like you are innocent when you seem to do little more than exactly what i've stated.

What kind of response do you expect after you repeatedly bash on people, call them names, call them a liar, and then even take to offending the honor of their father further still? I stand by what I think of you. and, i make no apologies for it. man up... deal with it. I don't care if you think others are offended by some silly descriptors... especially in light of your vast lexicon of offensive terms and labels you place on people so readily. If you're gonna dish out the hate, don't act all victimized if someone pushes back at you (after attempting to remain civil with you in the face of your personal crap. against them). We don't have to agree, but I'll be <snip>ed (ooh) if I'll stand around too much while someone spews such hateful nonsense and start insulting someone's family, etc when it would likely get them punched int he mouth in real life.

I'm only ashamed that I thought there might be some usefulness to come from engaging you, beyond you confirming the utter hypocrisy with which you function in your hate-driven view of all things not you. and, you getting all bent out of shape over mere words of choice, when you are so well-versed at name-calling... laughable at best. get over yourself.

I have no interest in silencing your views. I'd actually like to know what they are (well, not anymore)... but, instead all i've gotten was hate, hate, name call, personal attack, blah, blah. It's not your views that I have a problem with. Merely the insulting nature, and offensive tone with which you Don't express them.

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rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 31, 2010

dude. this is a privately owned web-space as far as I know. You have no freedom of speech here, nor do I. And, it would be impossible for you to have your freedom of speech violated here, given that fact. come off it.

Note... when "ultra-right, moral policing, intolerant, bigoted folks like you" disagree with somebody's thoughts in their expression of their "freedom of speech" you don't call them names, call them a liar, and attack them or their family personally, and pretend to be so above it intellectually that you can't be bothered to engage in anything other than your hate-rhetoric. ESPECIALLY, when you claim to be a member of the "most tolerant" group on earth.

You know what they say... hate, breeds hate... You are full of it. I'll admit... obviously attempting to be reasonable in my exchange was a losing approach with you, so you got the best of me, and i pushed back. It happens. I'm human. At least I can admit it, rather than pretending like you are innocent when you seem to do little more than exactly what i've stated.

What kind of response do you expect after you repeatedly bash on people, call them names, call them a liar, and then even take to offending the honor of their father further still? I stand by what I think of you. and, i make no apologies for it. man up... deal with it. I don't care if you think others are offended by some silly descriptors... especially in light of your vast lexicon of offensive terms and labels you place on people so readily. If you're gonna dish out the hate, don't act all victimized if someone pushes back at you (after attempting to remain civil with you in the face of your personal crap. against them). We don't have to agree, but I'll be <snip>ed (ooh) if I'll stand around too much while someone spews such hateful nonsense and start insulting someone's family, etc when it would likely get them punched int he mouth in real life.

I'm only ashamed that I thought there might be some usefulness to come from engaging you, beyond you confirming the utter hypocrisy with which you function in your hate-driven view of all things not you. and, you getting all bent out of shape over mere words of choice, when you are so well-versed at name-calling... laughable at best. get over yourself.

I have no interest in silencing your views. I'd actually like to know what they are (well, not anymore)... but, instead all i've gotten was hate, hate, name call, personal attack, blah, blah. It's not your views that I have a problem with. Merely the insulting nature, and offensive tone with which you Don't express them.

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Jyna, jyna, jyna, tsk, tsk, tsk... What am I gonna do with you, you little rapscallion?

Take your blinders off bubby, it's a beautiful world out there. Don't be so down in the mouth. Don't take things on such a personal level. You get as hysterical as any woman I've ever seen. You're too emotional, jyn-jyn. And dare I say a little too high strung? There's no need to get depressed about it. I can help you.

Actually I think we were just beginning to make a little progress when you had your meltdown and went all to pieces.

But we can begin again. No hard feelings. You can still look up to me as your mentor.

Jyna Log

lol... if I let people like you depress me, I'd never get anything done. I've got bigger things to worry about than you for sure... 

Long novel-like responses don't work for you, but neither do 4 letter words huh? shall i opt for something shorter? probably the only thing that will not provoke a condescending, hate-filled rant from you: Yes! I agree! You are so wise and well-informed. I hope I can be as smart as you one day!

You can quote me, if it makes you feel better. Just pretend really hard that you've converted me. You can just use your imagination, b/c I'll certainly never be "converted" by anyone who can't do any better than to call people names when they fall short of stroking your fragile little member 110%.

Your hate-mongering is one area where I think we could all benefit from a little less tolerance. But, forgive me for obliging your wishes to make things personal. Though, I can't really say I'm really sorry for it. 

I think I'll pass on "beginning again" if it's all the same with you, as it would serve little purpose for either of us... Well, I guess it would give you another opportunity to come up with some new colorful ways to insult people. But, I'm sure you have no shortage of opportunities without me further contributing to them. And, I'll save the oncoming carpal tunnel for an exchange that I might actually learn a little something from the other person on... 

You are a funny, tragic character. Apparently so lacking in self-esteem that you must condescend, and insult all that is different from you, or that you do not understand. What makes it funny is how you also claim to be so tolerant in the process! hahahahahahahah well, i take it back. you only claimed to be a part of the most tolerant group of people i will ever meet. You certainly aren't wearing that badge very well.

peace.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 31, 2010

lol... if I let people like you depress me, I'd never get anything done. I've got bigger things to worry about than you for sure... 

Long novel-like responses don't work for you, but neither do 4 letter words huh? shall i opt for something shorter? probably the only thing that will not provoke a condescending, hate-filled rant from you: Yes! I agree! You are so wise and well-informed. I hope I can be as smart as you one day!

You can quote me, if it makes you feel better. Just pretend really hard that you've converted me. You can just use your imagination, b/c I'll certainly never be "converted" by anyone who can't do any better than to call people names when they fall short of stroking your fragile little member 110%.

Your hate-mongering is one area where I think we could all benefit from a little less tolerance. But, forgive me for obliging your wishes to make things personal. Though, I can't really say I'm really sorry for it. 

I think I'll pass on "beginning again" if it's all the same with you, as it would serve little purpose for either of us... Well, I guess it would give you another opportunity to come up with some new colorful ways to insult people. But, I'm sure you have no shortage of opportunities without me further contributing to them. And, I'll save the oncoming carpal tunnel for an exchange that I might actually learn a little something from the other person on... 

You are a funny, tragic character. Apparently so lacking in self-esteem that you must condescend, and insult all that is different from you, or that you do not understand. What makes it funny is how you also claim to be so tolerant in the process! hahahahahahahah well, i take it back. you only claimed to be a part of the most tolerant group of people i will ever meet. You certainly aren't wearing that badge very well.

peace.

I'll not return your hate and venom, jyn-jyn. I forgive you for your vicious attacks. All is forgotten.

Peace to you and may you learn it's meaning and learn to love yourself. You now hate yourself and that is understandable. But that is destructive behavior, jyn-jyn.

Look inside yourself jyn-jyn, for therein lie the answers you seek from me.

Peace, be still my little grasshopper. sshhhhhhhhhh...

Daveyl

I'm from Lancaster, if that qualifies as Southern California. What exactly characterizes my posts as those of a "fruit"? Do people really believe they are NOT being addicted to vices that are taxed by our government? Alcohol is taxed, tobacco is taxed, gasoline is taxed, lotteries are simply a "painless tax". You remember when Proposition 13 passed, and how adamantly people like Jerry Brown fought against it? Well, just GUESS what showed up after their last ditch efforts to overturn that measure: THE CALIFORNIA STATE LOTTERY.

LotteryJunkiE99's avatarLotteryJunkiE99

@MADDOG10

 

I think rndgnr is old enough to fight his own battles bulldog, he certainly does start them in most of the topic posts I've read on this website since the beginning of last year, so please do us all favor and don't come in his defense like a barking canine to his Mater's aid, after all since when is age a disability? Oh yes, when it starts impeding your grasp of the modern age and modern thought process, that's when. So I'm glad at least that you old-timers know how to stick together and let loose in your near-senile foot-and-mouth disease comments that you leave you  more and more putrefied through all rotten American stupidity by the day and by the dozen. By the way, your left-to-right-to-left, half-articulated meanderings are one-and-the-same as those of rdgrnr. If I didn't get his goat, I'm glad I got yours, but I'm sure I got both your goats and your cheese. That wasn't the point obviously but hey monkey see monkey dance, I'll leave to milk them in all Right-Winged-American peace.   Make sure to tax the product if you decide to sell it though, God knows I'm a Moderate Republican and all you Right-Winged ferrets only drivel on by and on the coattails and genius of men of my caliber and then go on to claim and brag about "your" America at the flagship parades and festivals,  like it was you who built it or created it.   Face it when it comes down to it, you're just another hired hand, so I'm glad you went off to bed early just in case you should be retired and in the same helpless position of those of your town, much to your Republican friend's horridness and rash embarrassment , only having as last recourse,  to file for the many generous benefit packages the Democratic party is offering people your age, after all drawn up on the pristine coattails of my genius and of those like me, that is to say, in a trickle-me-down fashion... 10,000 more times I prefer the Democratic Left agenda to your kind of mind and batter, to continuously expect yourselves to be fed through created jobs and allotted resources of men you so jeer and taunt and in all slackness  try to humiliate on this website. Land of the free? Land of the coat-hangers on my coattails is more like it, but I don't mind, I understand not all are endowed with either wit or privy in the practical sense.   Anyhow,   It can be safely surmised neither you nor rndgnr have ever done anything to boost this country's standing, and for that you alone and him also share in the irresponsibilities that drag this country down, not only for attacking those above you but those with better ideas and implantations than those around you, and in so doing, creating a deeper and deeper hole that only government can unfortunately fill up again, and that my tar-lunged bulldog leaves you and rndgnr worse off than any Tennesseean or Californian on the list. I'd be willing to see what else you and your cigar and rndgnr's unwashed foot can accomplish, other than a folky dance number, but -  And Oh yes, please do sing those banditry folk-song-melodies here or there or at the next election, it certainly does add a quasi-rustic effect to your otherwise pointless pointing-outs. God and Pragmatism Bless - you are after all, STILL a fellow American, even if backwoods and a baying one at that.      Thumbs Up

Mr-Smith's avatarMr-Smith

Hello all, I know Im new here but this is crazy...

We are all in the same boat we all like the lottery and lottery stories, we joke around and support each other and

brainstorm about winning.. at least that is what I thought it was about?

Can we agree to disagree? Can we all just get along? Can we just stop the hate on all sides?

I mean come on people get it together..... ?

Acuna matata.... lol.

?

???

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by LotteryJunkiE99 on Nov 1, 2010

@MADDOG10

 

I think rndgnr is old enough to fight his own battles bulldog, he certainly does start them in most of the topic posts I've read on this website since the beginning of last year, so please do us all favor and don't come in his defense like a barking canine to his Mater's aid, after all since when is age a disability? Oh yes, when it starts impeding your grasp of the modern age and modern thought process, that's when. So I'm glad at least that you old-timers know how to stick together and let loose in your near-senile foot-and-mouth disease comments that you leave you  more and more putrefied through all rotten American stupidity by the day and by the dozen. By the way, your left-to-right-to-left, half-articulated meanderings are one-and-the-same as those of rdgrnr. If I didn't get his goat, I'm glad I got yours, but I'm sure I got both your goats and your cheese. That wasn't the point obviously but hey monkey see monkey dance, I'll leave to milk them in all Right-Winged-American peace.   Make sure to tax the product if you decide to sell it though, God knows I'm a Moderate Republican and all you Right-Winged ferrets only drivel on by and on the coattails and genius of men of my caliber and then go on to claim and brag about "your" America at the flagship parades and festivals,  like it was you who built it or created it.   Face it when it comes down to it, you're just another hired hand, so I'm glad you went off to bed early just in case you should be retired and in the same helpless position of those of your town, much to your Republican friend's horridness and rash embarrassment , only having as last recourse,  to file for the many generous benefit packages the Democratic party is offering people your age, after all drawn up on the pristine coattails of my genius and of those like me, that is to say, in a trickle-me-down fashion... 10,000 more times I prefer the Democratic Left agenda to your kind of mind and batter, to continuously expect yourselves to be fed through created jobs and allotted resources of men you so jeer and taunt and in all slackness  try to humiliate on this website. Land of the free? Land of the coat-hangers on my coattails is more like it, but I don't mind, I understand not all are endowed with either wit or privy in the practical sense.   Anyhow,   It can be safely surmised neither you nor rndgnr have ever done anything to boost this country's standing, and for that you alone and him also share in the irresponsibilities that drag this country down, not only for attacking those above you but those with better ideas and implantations than those around you, and in so doing, creating a deeper and deeper hole that only government can unfortunately fill up again, and that my tar-lunged bulldog leaves you and rndgnr worse off than any Tennesseean or Californian on the list. I'd be willing to see what else you and your cigar and rndgnr's unwashed foot can accomplish, other than a folky dance number, but -  And Oh yes, please do sing those banditry folk-song-melodies here or there or at the next election, it certainly does add a quasi-rustic effect to your otherwise pointless pointing-outs. God and Pragmatism Bless - you are after all, STILL a fellow American, even if backwoods and a baying one at that.      Thumbs Up

Wow, lol.

When did you get your "implantations"?

Seriously though, I think you should write your own posts like everybody else does.  I don't think it's fair that you have pumpi write them.

I'd respond if I could make any sense out of your incoherent rambling.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Mr-Smith on Nov 1, 2010

Hello all, I know Im new here but this is crazy...

We are all in the same boat we all like the lottery and lottery stories, we joke around and support each other and

brainstorm about winning.. at least that is what I thought it was about?

Can we agree to disagree? Can we all just get along? Can we just stop the hate on all sides?

I mean come on people get it together..... ?

Acuna matata.... lol.

?

???

I agree Mr-Smith and as you can see I am like the voice of reason to the malcontents and ne'er-do-wells.

But try as I may there are some people you just can't reason with.

Like the Captain in Cool Hand Luke said: "What we got here...  is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach."

But that doesn't mean we should stop trying to help people. 

Hakuna Matata.

HaveABall's avatarHaveABall

Richard's suicide is his right.  However, it is a shame that Richard didn't instead arrange a situation where the city's coroner could have gone out to retrieve Richard's body (e.g., voicemail message or express envelope next day mailing). 

I hope that Joshua will feel better soon.

Hopefully, suicide isn't illegal in Leicestershire/central England jurisdictions, where there is a fine to be paid; supposing that Richard's estate has more financial assets than liabilities.

BaristaExpress's avatarBaristaExpress

Quote: Originally posted by Daveyl on Nov 1, 2010

I'm from Lancaster, if that qualifies as Southern California. What exactly characterizes my posts as those of a "fruit"? Do people really believe they are NOT being addicted to vices that are taxed by our government? Alcohol is taxed, tobacco is taxed, gasoline is taxed, lotteries are simply a "painless tax". You remember when Proposition 13 passed, and how adamantly people like Jerry Brown fought against it? Well, just GUESS what showed up after their last ditch efforts to overturn that measure: THE CALIFORNIA STATE LOTTERY.

Daveyl, I never said you were from Southern Calif. and from what I am seeing/reading neither did anyone else (dang, some people need to learn how to comprehend what they read)! If I'm not mistaken here, I'm the one who said they were born and raised in Southern Calif. OK. Wow Lancaster, Calif. The high desert (I know it well) fine dirt bike riding there. I rode there for many yrs before going to Apple Valley and El Mirage dry lake. Yes, I remember the push to repeal the Prop 13 by Jerry Brown. I'm so glad it didn't go away for those who like me benefited from the prop 13 measure when my family did an inter family transfer of property to me and the county assessor couldn't reasses the property to collect higher taxes on said property. But we people at the time voted for the lottery, so if you are implying that we the people at the time voted to voluntarily tax ourselves with the "painless tax" as you call it then so be it. But I don't feel it was passed by the people at the time for anything else as a way to help fund the school systems of the state at the time! That's what I voted to do when I voted for the lottery in Calif. And for the record I'm the one who used the term fruit for people like you/others who might be just a tad off! Yup I'm the one who used that term and no one else!

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