$116M Georgia Powerball winner claims prize

Oct 9, 2010, 8:14 am (161 comments)

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ATLANTA, Ga. — A 46-year-old advertising executive from Mableton, Georgia, has stepped forward with the $116 million Powerball ticket.

Gerald L. Render chose the cash option so he'll only be getting $63 million before taxes.

Render claimed the prize Friday afternoon, two weeks after buying the winning Quik Pik jackpot ticket at Heby's Shell, on Floyd Road in Mableton.

The advertising executive had been showing up for work as usual at the Marietta-based Upscale Magazine. It's a publication of Bronner Bros., known for hair products and an Atlanta trade show that attracts tens of thousands.

Render is vice president of advertising at the national publication, where he has worked at least 15 years, said his assistant, Erika Bennett.

"He's a great supervisor," she told local media. "Very business-oriented, goal-oriented, smart, professional and," she added with a laugh, "secretive!"

Render didn't tell her that he'd won. She only realized her boss was a millionaire after a local reporter e-mailed her a photo of the winner included in the Georgia Lottery's announcement Friday.

"Yup, that's him," she said.

Render is married, with two teenage children. He told Bennett that he'd quit his job if he ever won the lottery, which he played frequently.

When it was announced that the winning ticket was purchased on Sept. 18 in Mableton, where she knew he lived, she called him on his cell phone on Sept. 20, a Monday, and joked: Are you coming to work?

Yes, he told her, as if nothing had happened.

At that moment, he actually didn't realize that anything had happened, said his boss, Nathaniel Bronner Jr., the executive vice president of the company.

Bronner said Friday that he was among the few people that Render had confided in. Bronner said Bennett's phone call caused Render to pull out his ticket and have a look.

At first, Render thought he'd won the $13 million jackpot. Then, he thought he'd won tens of millions. Finally, he realized he'd won the big one, Bronner said. Render, who was at the corporate headquarters, rushed home, grabbed his wife and drove back.

He walked with her into Bronner's office, removed the executive's briefcase from his desk, and told him they needed to pray.

It was so brusk, that Bronner worried something terrible had happened. So they prayed.

"Then, he told me he'd just won $116 million in the Powerball," Bronner said, "and I started laughing"

Bronner said Render was comparatively calm. "I was more unnerved than he was."

Render turned up for work every day except Friday, acting normally.

In the meantime, he was establishing the limited liability corporation, Nichelle Leando LLC., that he would use to cash in the ticket.

On Thursday, he told his colleagues that he'd be gone for a long weekend, returning Tuesday.

Then, the news broke.

Bennett, his secretary, said he'll be missed if he doesn't come back.

"He's a good salesman," she said. "We need him here."

Bronner said he doubts Render will return to work Tuesday, but said he expects him to come back eventually, at least for a while.

"The problem is, when you have that kind of money, everybody looks at you differently. I imagine he's going to look at some kind of modification to his career," Bronner said. "I don't think he really knows right now."

He said Render is concerned about "crackpots" coming after him and is guarding his privacy. The phone numbers at Render's home have been disconnected, and he couldn't be reached for comment. But his lawyers released a statement from him Friday evening.

"We are thankful and humbled by this enormous blessing that has been entrusted to us," Render wrote, "and we understand that with it comes the responsibility of good stewardship."

Render mentioned he was grateful to have received "the Business Anointing" on New Year's Day.

Bronner, who also is a pastor at the Ark of Salvation in Grant Park, explained that it was a service where participants were told to expect "unusual supernatural increase."

"He does not feel this was a random event," Bronner said. "He feels this was a divine blessing, without question." He said Render is donating "millions" to the church.

Render is "a very solid, level-headed fellow," Bronner said, adding that he is an Atlanta native and a Morehouse graduate. "If I was to pick anybody to give $100 million to and expect him to manage it without going crazy, it's him."

AJC

Comments

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

He walked into his boss's office and said they needed to pray.

I think everything's gonna work out good for this guy.

God bless him.

konane's avatarkonane

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 9, 2010

He walked into his boss's office and said they needed to pray.

I think everything's gonna work out good for this guy.

God bless him.

I Agree!   Sounds as if he has his life totally together and will manage his newfound wealth well instead of money managing him.  He should be a good example of how-to for all lottery winners.  Congratulations and many blessings to him and his family!  Party

themagician's avatarthemagician

It says: he told his colleagues that he'd be gone for a long weekend..

Me too I will be gone for a looong weekend!

Congratulations!

And, have you heard of the british person whon won 113£ Millions (Brisitsh pounds, I don't even know how many dollars that is!) with the last Friday Euromillion?

Wow!!!

TnTicketlosers's avatarTnTicketlosers

That is totally wonderful.I'd be happy to win a pick 3 in this sorry state.....wish I lived in an A+ state.

savagegoose's avatarsavagegoose

if someone came into my office saying " we need to pray" id be thinking i shoulda gone for the kevlar jacket !

no seriusly , he sounds like he has planned for the win before hand and has things in pretty good order.

being a godless heathen myself  i dont see why all this praying is needed? i mean he already pulled the jackpot, whats he want now?

cope's avatarcope

So, the government stole (aka "taxed") nearly half of his winnings?

 

Just think how much more humanity would have benefited from the other 60 million he won if he would have received it?

 

Instead, the government will waste the 60 million in stupid entitlement programs to reward lazy people and reinforce their laziness.

 

Something is terribly wrong with this country.

ScubaGolfJim

Quote: Originally posted by cope on Oct 9, 2010

So, the government stole (aka "taxed") nearly half of his winnings?

 

Just think how much more humanity would have benefited from the other 60 million he won if he would have received it?

 

Instead, the government will waste the 60 million in stupid entitlement programs to reward lazy people and reinforce their laziness.

 

Something is terribly wrong with this country.

Explains how well the so-called teaparty types are so informed. They can't read for themselves andcomprehend anything. The only mention of taxes in the article is"Render chose the cash option so he'll only be getting $63 millionbefore taxes." That's how the lottery works. You can take the fullamount over thirty years, or you can take the seed-money-only cashoption immediately. Will there be taxes? Yes. But if you're going tocomplain again about the taxes, at least get it right.

 

US Flag  From a True American Veteran that believes in the ACTUAL Constitution.

 

Somany believe he "has his life together" because he believes in animaginary friend? Ever consider THAT'S what is at least partly wrongwith this country? So many think their imaginary friend can "beat up"everyone else's imaginary friend. LOL!

 

 

Party Now for all the "love" of those "wonderful" christians out there who will now spew vitriolic hatred at me.  LOL!!!

Litebets27's avatarLitebets27

Congratulations to the 46 year old executive, who will.."ONLY get $63million".

If someone calmly walked into my office and stated we needed to pray...I would immediately call security and 911.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by ScubaGolfJim on Oct 9, 2010

Explains how well the so-called teaparty types are so informed. They can't read for themselves andcomprehend anything. The only mention of taxes in the article is"Render chose the cash option so he'll only be getting $63 millionbefore taxes." That's how the lottery works. You can take the fullamount over thirty years, or you can take the seed-money-only cashoption immediately. Will there be taxes? Yes. But if you're going tocomplain again about the taxes, at least get it right.

 

US Flag  From a True American Veteran that believes in the ACTUAL Constitution.

 

Somany believe he "has his life together" because he believes in animaginary friend? Ever consider THAT'S what is at least partly wrongwith this country? So many think their imaginary friend can "beat up"everyone else's imaginary friend. LOL!

 

 

Party Now for all the "love" of those "wonderful" christians out there who will now spew vitriolic hatred at me.  LOL!!!

I don't consider myself a "member" of the Tea Party movement, but I would consider myself a "Tea Party type", because I believe in smaller government and more individual freedom.  I do also think that I (and lots of other Tea-Party-like folks) are VERY well-informed.  I can also read for myself and comprehend things fairly well.  (If I do say so myself.)

I agree that the person you're quoting mis-understood the concept of the cash value, but taking that mistake and using it to slur all Tea Party-type people as basically stupid morons is unfair and a total non-sequitur.

cope's avatarcope

Tea Party people understand that regardless of what you earn (or win), you can expect the government to take nearly half of it.

 

If you don't have a problem with that, then you don't understand the United States Constitution or the reason this country was founded in the first place.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by ScubaGolfJim on Oct 9, 2010

Explains how well the so-called teaparty types are so informed. They can't read for themselves andcomprehend anything. The only mention of taxes in the article is"Render chose the cash option so he'll only be getting $63 millionbefore taxes." That's how the lottery works. You can take the fullamount over thirty years, or you can take the seed-money-only cashoption immediately. Will there be taxes? Yes. But if you're going tocomplain again about the taxes, at least get it right.

 

US Flag  From a True American Veteran that believes in the ACTUAL Constitution.

 

Somany believe he "has his life together" because he believes in animaginary friend? Ever consider THAT'S what is at least partly wrongwith this country? So many think their imaginary friend can "beat up"everyone else's imaginary friend. LOL!

 

 

Party Now for all the "love" of those "wonderful" christians out there who will now spew vitriolic hatred at me.  LOL!!!

The only vitriolic hatred I'm seeing spewed here is by you towards Christians and the Tea Party.

Better tune in to Keith Olbermann and drink another glass of his special Kool-Aid and calm down, dude.

You wouldn't happen to be angry about the turnout for the recent democrat/communist mini-march on Washington DC, would you?   ROFLGreen laughLOL

 

You can believe all you want in your ACTUAL Constitution (whatever that is), if you want to, where the government takes control of every aspect of your life.

I'll stick with the Constitution of the United States of America which explicitly limits the powers of the federal government.

If you're insecure and feel you need a nanny to run your life, you might want to try Cuba or North Korea.

Most of us here can take care of ourselves.

And we're going to make that perfectly, crystal clear next month.

 

BTW, I hear the Kim-Chee is excellent in Pyongyang this time of year. Stay away from the canine fare though unless you absolutely must have meat for protein to survive. Icky yukky poo poo.

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

yes it was a devine blessing.

yes i am pumped this guy gives credit were credit is due (for him),  and that it rightfully appears that he will be a great steward of such a gift.   i really like that part of the story...

what does concern me,  is what pastor bronner stated in the article that ......."Bronner, who also is a pastor at the Ark of Salvation in Grant Park, explained that it was a service where participants were told to expect "unusual supernatural increase."

that statement for face value is dangerous,  in that it gives the false hope notion that mr render "received" such a blessing because he may have participated in that news years pronouncement,   and that is not true.

he surely wasn't the only one there,  and just by deduction,  he may have not been the "most likely" to win out of all the attendee's based on bronner's type of qualification.  (tithing, business affliation service,  church attendance, amount of "faith" / "belief",  positive confession consistentcy,  etc.)

what i am getting at,  is the false notion that you or i can achieve what bronner alludes to mr gender achieving via a "special meeting",  or something of that nature.

when i lived in georgia,  i watch pastor bronner occasionally,  but he fell to the prosperity side of teaching,  where you could "confess" things into existence,  and that isn't true.   and as i figured he would,  he alluded to it by insinuating that meeting most likely equated mr genders destination.

God can tell us pre event,  what He will do in and thru a persons life.  that part is true.   at times, He can do that thru another person.

what's not true,  is the notion that anyone of us can attend a special "prophectic meeting",  and somehow be guaranteed the same deal.

that's false hope,  and nothing more

actually,  more often than not,  God picks the unqualifiable, the weak, the "faithless" and the disobedient for things he does.

why?   because then God gets the credit,  instead of someone saying "I EARNED IT"....

we can thru obedience place ourselves in a sphere of trustworthiness as well

i think in terms of common sense,  and i wonder what other people think who attended that meeting that night,  who read that statement as to why it wasn't them.    pastor bronner has the burden of informing them their "faith" wasn't as strong,  otherwise it would have been them instaed of mr gender

relax.  if it's supposed to happen to you, it will. 

 if it ain't,  you can't go to enough "meetings",  nor can you buy enough tickets to make it happen

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

I'm so insulted by you saying  "Kool-Aid" and all. Shame on you!!!! This is so not right and is very very insulting to all the hard working minorities and majorities of the U.S. You should be far more sensitive to the many struggling classes of people in the U.S.A who the very rich has taken advantage of and left with Golden Parachuts.  With out the minority the rich is nothing, respect us.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 9, 2010

I'm so insulted by you saying  "Kool-Aid" and all. Shame on you!!!! This is so not right and is very very insulting to all the hard working minorities and majorities of the U.S. You should be far more sensitive to the many struggling classes of people in the U.S.A who the very rich has taken advantage of and left with Golden Parachuts.  With out the minority the rich is nothing, respect us.

By "Kool-Aid" he meant that some people will continue believing the current slate of politicians in power will "do some good" for them, no matter what evidence proves they are corrupt and are doing a horrendous job.  There are "Kool Aid drinkers" on both the left and the right in this country.

The notion that calling someone a "Kool-Aid drinker" is somehow against minorities is ludicrous.  It is a term that means someone will continue buying into a flawed and failed concept, no matter what.

There are people of every race and background in this country who are struggling.  I'm not sure "minority" is even going to be a valid term anymore, because EVERYONE will be a minority soon.

OwlCreekBridge's avatarOwlCreekBridge

"he'll only be getting $63 million before taxes"

only $63 million dollars before taxes? sounds like someone will be living on cat food from now on

DC81's avatarDC81

To get where the term "Kool-Aid drinkers" refers to and came from, look up Jim Jones, Jonestown, the cult he formed and their cyanide induced mass suicide. They were actually drinking Flavor Aid which as far as I know is similar but Kool-Aid is much better known. It's basically regarding people considered sheep unable to think for themselves.

psykomo's avatarpsykomo

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 9, 2010

He walked into his boss's office and said they needed to pray.

I think everything's gonna work out good for this guy.

God bless him.

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rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

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Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by DC81 on Oct 9, 2010

To get where the term "Kool-Aid drinkers" refers to and came from, look up Jim Jones, Jonestown, the cult he formed and their cyanide induced mass suicide. They were actually drinking Flavor Aid which as far as I know is similar but Kool-Aid is much better known. It's basically regarding people considered sheep unable to think for themselves.

Yeah, I was thinking about writing the actual source of the term, but figured most people wouldn't remember that.  "Sheep" is a good way to put it.  Maybe lemmings is even closer.

Brahmi Lamine

thank s for good news  !!! but how can i macke a money????????????

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Brahmi Lamine on Oct 10, 2010

thank s for good news  !!! but how can i macke a money????????????

You might make money with a lot of patience and a lot of good luck or developing your own winning system or getting numbers from members here, Brahmi.

But nothing is guaranteed.

Good luck to you and welcome to Lottery Post.

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

You guys know you spin that word when it comes to the working class and minorities in this county

who you rather pay less than nothing to work for labour. Stop branding them with this disgusting "Kool Aid"

sayings to cover your inner prejustice. Deal with real issues we face and not hide behine juices and tea. US Flag

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 10, 2010

You guys know you spin that word when it comes to the working class and minorities in this county

who you rather pay less than nothing to work for labour. Stop branding them with this disgusting "Kool Aid"

sayings to cover your inner prejustice. Deal with real issues we face and not hide behine juices and tea. US Flag

Wow, unbelievable.

You're as well informed as everybody else in your crowd, I'll give you that much.

You could (and should!) give the keynote address at their convention.

dpoly1's avatardpoly1

Quote: Originally posted by ScubaGolfJim on Oct 9, 2010

Explains how well the so-called teaparty types are so informed. They can't read for themselves andcomprehend anything. The only mention of taxes in the article is"Render chose the cash option so he'll only be getting $63 millionbefore taxes." That's how the lottery works. You can take the fullamount over thirty years, or you can take the seed-money-only cashoption immediately. Will there be taxes? Yes. But if you're going tocomplain again about the taxes, at least get it right.

 

US Flag  From a True American Veteran that believes in the ACTUAL Constitution.

 

Somany believe he "has his life together" because he believes in animaginary friend? Ever consider THAT'S what is at least partly wrongwith this country? So many think their imaginary friend can "beat up"everyone else's imaginary friend. LOL!

 

 

Party Now for all the "love" of those "wonderful" christians out there who will now spew vitriolic hatred at me.  LOL!!!

Thank you for the religious persecution in your post!

US Flag

The actual constitution guarantees Freedom of Religion!

sully16's avatarsully16

Congratulations to Mr. Render, I hope he has a long happy , healthy life.

Brahmi Lamine

Mr. Ridge

Thanks for your clair answer , on first time by lottery post ! and i hope that evrythinng willbe ready !!!!!!!!!!

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 9, 2010

I don't consider myself a "member" of the Tea Party movement, but I would consider myself a "Tea Party type", because I believe in smaller government and more individual freedom.  I do also think that I (and lots of other Tea-Party-like folks) are VERY well-informed.  I can also read for myself and comprehend things fairly well.  (If I do say so myself.)

I agree that the person you're quoting mis-understood the concept of the cash value, but taking that mistake and using it to slur all Tea Party-type people as basically stupid morons is unfair and a total non-sequitur.

I haven't mention the Tea Party crowd in a while ,Todd you being the smart man that I think you are , you  surprise me .After all that Tea Party crowd speaks for itself loud and clear.I am shock still in 2010 to hear mean sprited people speaking so ill of their fellow Americans.Why we can't truly be the country that we confess to be my brother keeper.US Flag

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 10, 2010

You guys know you spin that word when it comes to the working class and minorities in this county

who you rather pay less than nothing to work for labour. Stop branding them with this disgusting "Kool Aid"

sayings to cover your inner prejustice. Deal with real issues we face and not hide behine juices and tea. US Flag

I Agree! you are sooooooooooooooooooooo right.

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by ScubaGolfJim on Oct 9, 2010

Explains how well the so-called teaparty types are so informed. They can't read for themselves andcomprehend anything. The only mention of taxes in the article is"Render chose the cash option so he'll only be getting $63 millionbefore taxes." That's how the lottery works. You can take the fullamount over thirty years, or you can take the seed-money-only cashoption immediately. Will there be taxes? Yes. But if you're going tocomplain again about the taxes, at least get it right.

 

US Flag  From a True American Veteran that believes in the ACTUAL Constitution.

 

Somany believe he "has his life together" because he believes in animaginary friend? Ever consider THAT'S what is at least partly wrongwith this country? So many think their imaginary friend can "beat up"everyone else's imaginary friend. LOL!

 

 

Party Now for all the "love" of those "wonderful" christians out there who will now spew vitriolic hatred at me.  LOL!!!

I Agree! with you all that isn't a Sarah Palin is drinking the Kool Aid and gladely do so because they think they will hurt the minorty, you fair minded don't have to reply because I am not talking about you.No No

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

I'll give you a pacifier sorry your not old enough for tea.Puke

Brahmi Lamine

 unfotunately,I can't understand  what's mean this disscction about  tea party !!!! but i belive that we need to see a end of "senario" toghether!!!! for cash value  is "oxygen "for our live but some time is will be distruction fo rthe live when we think that we haven't any limit !!!!!!

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

Thank you, for your wonderful reasoning of these matters. The truth is hard for some isolated groups who needs to

experience the world at large.  Ignorance is not an excuse, we all need to learn the right way to live with each other.

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by Brahmi Lamine on Oct 10, 2010

 unfotunately,I can't understand  what's mean this disscction about  tea party !!!! but i belive that we need to see a end of "senario" toghether!!!! for cash value  is "oxygen "for our live but some time is will be distruction fo rthe live when we think that we haven't any limit !!!!!!

US FlagIt's an American thing you wouldn't understand.SORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY!!!!!!Patriot

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 10, 2010

Thank you, for your wonderful reasoning of these matters. The truth is hard for some isolated groups who needs to

experience the world at large.  Ignorance is not an excuse, we all need to learn the right way to live with each other.

Thank you,Thumbs Up for your insight into this mad world of the Tea Party,  and I literally mean mad.

Brahmi Lamine

Ok. but remember that we are in one earth and  we are in sam way to use all "tactically" version for capture  of consern !!!!!

Brahmi Lamine

Hy !!!!

I'm waiting a developpement !!!! so it's true or only dream!!?? remember that i'm was  scammed by internet tomany time !  can U immagine this "electronical global service" !!!!!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Brahmi Lamine on Oct 10, 2010

 unfotunately,I can't understand  what's mean this disscction about  tea party !!!! but i belive that we need to see a end of "senario" toghether!!!! for cash value  is "oxygen "for our live but some time is will be distruction fo rthe live when we think that we haven't any limit !!!!!!

Brahmi my friend, let me briefly explain.

Tea Party refers to the Boston Tea Party when American Patriots were in the process of overthrowing British tyranny and dumped all the British Tea in the ocean because we were being taxed but not represented. The English were going against the will of the American people.

We now have a President and Congress that repeatedly go against the will of the people. All polls show that the American people are overwhelmingly opposed to virtually everything our President and Congress are doing. They know we are against it but they defy us and go ahead and do it anyway.

Patriotic Americans have adopted the Tea Party label and are in the process of restoring liberty to our nation by removing the communists now in office in the upcoming elections in November of this year and 2012.

The people who comprise and support the party now in power are easily brainwashed and sell out their principles and core values for a pat on the head from a slick talker in the White House. They have been lied to by their leaders and believe that the Tea Party is racist and evil and violent.

I can tell you from experience as a Tea Party member that those claims are all lies. I attend Tea Party rallies and events and I participated in the two 9/12 Taxpayer Marches on Washington DC with these people. They are the nicest, friendliest, most decent people you will ever meet. I have never witnessed any racism or hate or violence at any Tea Party event and if I did, I wouldn't belong to it.

But we seem to have a couple people here who base their opinions on what they've heard on the leftwing hate blogs and from their "leaders". They seem to enjoy spreading gossip and rumors and lies without any evidence, documentation or firsthand experience. They should be ashamed of themselves.

They don't "know" anything for fact or from experience, they just go on repeating what they've "heard" from someone with a subversive and clandestine agenda.

I've invited people like that to come to Tea Party events to see for themselves what it's all about and to meet the people but they always decline because their minds are already made up and they don't want to hear the truth.

It's hard to educate the ignorant because they always think they know everything. It's sometimes hard to even talk to them because they're always the ones yelling the loudest. 

Tea Party people are the real America Brahmi, and we are black, white, brown, yellow and red.

These others with the shrill, negative voices are mere symbolic aberrations of where we've gone wrong in the past.

 

Take care Brahmi, I hope you were safe from that toxic flood you had over there and good luck in the lottery!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 10, 2010

Thank you, for your wonderful reasoning of these matters. The truth is hard for some isolated groups who needs to

experience the world at large.  Ignorance is not an excuse, we all need to learn the right way to live with each other.

"Thank you, for your wonderful reasoning of these matters."

 

You're welcome.

Anytime.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Oct 10, 2010

I haven't mention the Tea Party crowd in a while ,Todd you being the smart man that I think you are , you  surprise me .After all that Tea Party crowd speaks for itself loud and clear.I am shock still in 2010 to hear mean sprited people speaking so ill of their fellow Americans.Why we can't truly be the country that we confess to be my brother keeper.US Flag

Tea Party people are not "mean".  They are mainly angry that the government is trying to take most of the money people earn and spend it as it pleases.  That is not the way America was founded.  We are a free society, and the government was purposely set up to be as small and unobtrusive as possible.

In fact, Thomas Jefferson did not even want there to be a "Bill of Rights" (the first 10 amendments to the Constitution), because he felt the original Constitution was clear enough that the government should not interfere in anything involving personal liberty.

If you think Tea Party people are "mean", then you have not actually listened to any of them speak.  Tea Party protests are just about the most docile and friendly gatherings that have ever taken place.  If you were to attend a LIBERAL protest, such as the anti-war protests or the anti-Bush protests, you would have seen extremely MEAN protests.  People cursing, horrible signs, death wishes, etc.  But the Tea Party protests?  They have signs like "Repeal the health care law".  Give me a break, there is no comparison.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 10, 2010

You guys know you spin that word when it comes to the working class and minorities in this county

who you rather pay less than nothing to work for labour. Stop branding them with this disgusting "Kool Aid"

sayings to cover your inner prejustice. Deal with real issues we face and not hide behine juices and tea. US Flag

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read. EVER!!!!!

What the F-#$$ is inner prejustice?

I'm a Tea Party member, I am the working class and I'm a minority.

Deal with the real issues? YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ISSUES ARE!!!!

I spend alot of time writing letters making phone calls and reading everything I can so that I have the FACTS.

I am doing everything I can to help us all keep our hard earned money in our pockets, we have been taxed enough.   TEA= TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY.

The people we voted into office have used us long enough, both parties!

WAKE UP.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Oct 10, 2010

I Agree! with you all that isn't a Sarah Palin is drinking the Kool Aid and gladely do so because they think they will hurt the minorty, you fair minded don't have to reply because I am not talking about you.No No

All bets are off, I have been as fair minded as I could possibly be.

I don't know why you are so afraid of Sarah Palin and at this point I don't care.

The only person spewing hatred is you .

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$63 Million is a lot of money ..........

CONGRATS ! Drum ..............

but tax cuts are not "giving" money to people ......... it is letting them keep what is theirs!

By the way ......... I am not wealthy ........ I make about $17 K a year ......... I don't believe in the Greed Of Envy!

Perfecttiming2's avatarPerfecttiming2

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 11, 2010

Brahmi my friend, let me briefly explain.

Tea Party refers to the Boston Tea Party when American Patriots were in the process of overthrowing British tyranny and dumped all the British Tea in the ocean because we were being taxed but not represented. The English were going against the will of the American people.

We now have a President and Congress that repeatedly go against the will of the people. All polls show that the American people are overwhelmingly opposed to virtually everything our President and Congress are doing. They know we are against it but they defy us and go ahead and do it anyway.

Patriotic Americans have adopted the Tea Party label and are in the process of restoring liberty to our nation by removing the communists now in office in the upcoming elections in November of this year and 2012.

The people who comprise and support the party now in power are easily brainwashed and sell out their principles and core values for a pat on the head from a slick talker in the White House. They have been lied to by their leaders and believe that the Tea Party is racist and evil and violent.

I can tell you from experience as a Tea Party member that those claims are all lies. I attend Tea Party rallies and events and I participated in the two 9/12 Taxpayer Marches on Washington DC with these people. They are the nicest, friendliest, most decent people you will ever meet. I have never witnessed any racism or hate or violence at any Tea Party event and if I did, I wouldn't belong to it.

But we seem to have a couple people here who base their opinions on what they've heard on the leftwing hate blogs and from their "leaders". They seem to enjoy spreading gossip and rumors and lies without any evidence, documentation or firsthand experience. They should be ashamed of themselves.

They don't "know" anything for fact or from experience, they just go on repeating what they've "heard" from someone with a subversive and clandestine agenda.

I've invited people like that to come to Tea Party events to see for themselves what it's all about and to meet the people but they always decline because their minds are already made up and they don't want to hear the truth.

It's hard to educate the ignorant because they always think they know everything. It's sometimes hard to even talk to them because they're always the ones yelling the loudest. 

Tea Party people are the real America Brahmi, and we are black, white, brown, yellow and red.

These others with the shrill, negative voices are mere symbolic aberrations of where we've gone wrong in the past.

 

Take care Brahmi, I hope you were safe from that toxic flood you had over there and good luck in the lottery!

Thanks for sharing.......hopefully with your post there will be a better understanding....

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Oct 11, 2010

Thanks for sharing.......hopefully with your post there will be a better understanding....

I Agree! I agree, great post rdgrnr!

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Quote: Originally posted by Perfecttiming2 on Oct 11, 2010

Thanks for sharing.......hopefully with your post there will be a better understanding....

No problem Perfecttiming2, let's hope so.

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This thread has been hijacked...Argue

Congrats to the winner of $116million....

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Oct 11, 2010

All bets are off, I have been as fair minded as I could possibly be.

I don't know why you are so afraid of Sarah Palin and at this point I don't care.

The only person spewing hatred is you .

I am a minorty of the most and I can hold my ground with any of the Tea Party including SARAH know nothing A$$ Palin. So you people don't get it .This Tea Party isn't going to change nothing with out the help of all the people of all races and classes this hatful group of people are not inclusive, that is not true. Those racist sign calling Black people monkey and Apes.Oh! I am suppose to like this crap. I don't think so.  No NoSHAME on you people .I live and let live ,but don't step on my liberty.Cussing Face

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Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 11, 2010

I Agree! I agree, great post rdgrnr!

Thank you Todd. I just wanted to set the record straight. It gets a little annoying and even frustrating at times to keep hearing things constantly repeated that you know from personal experience are just patently false.

It reminds me of that old English Proverb: There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I hope people will research things for themselves instead of basing their opinions on the counsel of others with their own specific agendas regarding any particular topic.

The Tea Party could just as well be called The Common Sense Party because that what it's all about at it's very core, just common sense.

Thanks again.

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Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Oct 11, 2010

I am a minorty of the most and I can hold my ground with any of the Tea Party including SARAH know nothing A$$ Palin. So you people don't get it .This Tea Party isn't going to change nothing with out the help of all the people of all races and classes this hatful group of people are not inclusive, that is not true. Those racist sign calling Black people monkey and Apes.Oh! I am suppose to like this crap. I don't think so.  No NoSHAME on you people .I live and let live ,but don't step on my liberty.Cussing Face

Show me one of those signs with that nonsense on it carried by a Tea Party member Louise, just one.

The liberal news media has been hoping and praying and searching for something like that so they could discredit the movement and have never found anything of the kind or it would have been all over the news.

It sounds like you're hitting the sauce a little early tonight Louise.

Tea Party people would never allow or be remotely associated with anything like that.

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Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Oct 11, 2010

I am a minorty of the most and I can hold my ground with any of the Tea Party including SARAH know nothing A$$ Palin. So you people don't get it .This Tea Party isn't going to change nothing with out the help of all the people of all races and classes this hatful group of people are not inclusive, that is not true. Those racist sign calling Black people monkey and Apes.Oh! I am suppose to like this crap. I don't think so.  No NoSHAME on you people .I live and let live ,but don't step on my liberty.Cussing Face

First, CONGRATS to the Powerball Winner.  It sounds like he will do good with his winnnings.  I wish him and his family well!

Second, I am not a member of the "tea party", but I support their efforts 100%.  They are standing up for the injustices this current government has done.  Spending how many trillions of dollars for a "stimulus" that did nothing, except cause debt for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.  They've created a "healthcare reform bill" that will cause people, like myself, who currently have health insurance to pay MORE for it.  (We just received our notice from our employer today which states this)  Must we not forget that the new healthcare reform now makes it mandatory for employers to put their health care costs contributions on OUR w-2, even though we won't be taxed on it "yet". 

Gee, thanks Obama, more costs and taxes, just what this country needs in a RECESSION!!

As for the above poster, you claim you can hold your ground against Sarah Palin...how would you do that when you can't even spell or complete a sentence with grammar?

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by gonnawinwatchme on Oct 11, 2010

First, CONGRATS to the Powerball Winner.  It sounds like he will do good with his winnnings.  I wish him and his family well!

Second, I am not a member of the "tea party", but I support their efforts 100%.  They are standing up for the injustices this current government has done.  Spending how many trillions of dollars for a "stimulus" that did nothing, except cause debt for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.  They've created a "healthcare reform bill" that will cause people, like myself, who currently have health insurance to pay MORE for it.  (We just received our notice from our employer today which states this)  Must we not forget that the new healthcare reform now makes it mandatory for employers to put their health care costs contributions on OUR w-2, even though we won't be taxed on it "yet". 

Gee, thanks Obama, more costs and taxes, just what this country needs in a RECESSION!!

As for the above poster, you claim you can hold your ground against Sarah Palin...how would you do that when you can't even spell or complete a sentence with grammar?

You are d--- wrong ,it's easy for some people ,who has been given a leg up just ( Because ), to make petty statment like this , Oh! yes grammar and all I still can hold my own with the likes of SARAH and other race baiting crowd.If you ask me ,which I wasn't but,I will say it anyway people like you just  I have been.Paid  for your father and grandfather debts. Excuse me,but that how it works. Yes, one of my family member works  now for one of the worst company ever.She has to pay a hefty part of her insurance and still pays large doctor and hospital bills.This is before the Healthcare bill.Cussing Face

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 11, 2010

Show me one of those signs with that nonsense on it carried by a Tea Party member Louise, just one.

The liberal news media has been hoping and praying and searching for something like that so they could discredit the movement and have never found anything of the kind or it would have been all over the news.

It sounds like you're hitting the sauce a little early tonight Louise.

Tea Party people would never allow or be remotely associated with anything like that.

rdgrnr , who was the woman carrying the monkey telling Obama to go back to Africa, not to mention the Hilter mustach on the President.No, rdgrnr I haven't had a glass of wine in two months. After all this I might have to have a glass.LOLGreen laugh

Puffalishous's avatarPuffalishous

Skeptical....... It looks like the " Your perception is your reality" saying truly applies to this thread.

I just want to say this.... to the person who said that there are communist in the government.... just wait, because at the rate  we are borrowing money from China( how much went towards the wars?) , we will probably will end up being called the United States of China pretty soon.

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Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Oct 11, 2010

rdgrnr , who was the woman carrying the monkey telling Obama to go back to Africa, not to mention the Hilter mustach on the President.No, rdgrnr I haven't had a glass of wine in two months. After all this I might have to have a glass.LOLGreen laugh

Louise, believe me, if there was any racism displayed by Tea Party Members, the President's Cheerleaders (the news media) would have been all over it. I am in the Tea Party Louise and I swear to you there is no racism. I have never seen the monkey/Africa thing you speak of and I can assure you that it would not be allowed by the Tea Party members. I did see George Bush depicted as a monkey and with a Hitler mustache on the internet for years though. Everyone seemed to think that was funny.

The news media won't show you but we have blacks as well as other minorities at our rallies and in our marches. The last Nashville rally I went to, over half of the speakers were black. Do you think they would be there with a bunch of racists carrying racist signs? I don't think so.

I only hope you will check your sources out a little better Louise or maybe I should just get a bottle of Jack and come up there and take you to a Tea Party event. I'll even let you carry a big ol' poster with a picture of me with a Hitler mustache if you want. Then we'll go bar hoppin' and get good and drunk.

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

We are already overtaken by China they own us now and they have owned this country for a very long time

because tea partyers send all our jobs, manifacturing jobs to China. Have you every viste China and see for yourself what is happening there?

What is happening is a major unbelieviable work force. Everywhere you look major construction and building is going on. People from all over the world has

been going to China to invest and have a place for their adventures. Its like the Gold Rush over there to see it is mind blowing. But we remain here arguing about tea and Kool Aid, we have trully lost America to idiots.

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Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 11, 2010

We are already overtaken by China they own us now and they have owned this country for a very long time

because tea partyers send all our jobs, manifacturing jobs to China. Have you every viste China and see for yourself what is happening there?

What is happening is a major unbelieviable work force. Everywhere you look major construction and building is going on. People from all over the world has

been going to China to invest and have a place for their adventures. Its like the Gold Rush over there to see it is mind blowing. But we remain here arguing about tea and Kool Aid, we have trully lost America to idiots.

"we have trully lost America to idiots."

 

I agree but we can still vote them out again. Don't give up hope.

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

You cannot understand because you are of a small mind. Like I've said ingnorce is no excuse!

And I'm back-up by the Supreme Court Of The United States, that is where that saying is from; learn my dear to hold intelligence as power over ingnorance.

 

Then and only then you will grow and be empower to see beyond what you infer to be real but is not. Tea is just tea, Kool Aid is just juice but

a waisted mind can be changed if one only will it to be so. Stay loss in tea and see how much backwards we will fall and the world will pull ahead as they have done already in almost everything.

Velocity's avatarVelocity

Congratulations to the Winner, and many happy blessings! Now if I can be one of those "Lucky" winners....Party

 

Wow, some of the comments on here...Lurking

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Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Oct 11, 2010

You are d--- wrong ,it's easy for some people ,who has been given a leg up just ( Because ), to make petty statment like this , Oh! yes grammar and all I still can hold my own with the likes of SARAH and other race baiting crowd.If you ask me ,which I wasn't but,I will say it anyway people like you just  I have been.Paid  for your father and grandfather debts. Excuse me,but that how it works. Yes, one of my family member works  now for one of the worst company ever.She has to pay a hefty part of her insurance and still pays large doctor and hospital bills.This is before the Healthcare bill.Cussing Face

"If you ask me ,which I wasn't but,I will say it anyway people like you just  I have been.Paid for your father and grandfather debts."

Louise, if you could put together a coherent sentence, maybe we could figure what the hell you're trying to say.Crazy

Or is your failure to write a complete coherent sentence the fault of whites, the tea party, republicans, whoever?

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Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 11, 2010

You cannot understand because you are of a small mind. Like I've said ingnorce is no excuse!

And I'm back-up by the Supreme Court Of The United States, that is where that saying is from; learn my dear to hold intelligence as power over ingnorance.

 

Then and only then you will grow and be empower to see beyond what you infer to be real but is not. Tea is just tea, Kool Aid is just juice but

a waisted mind can be changed if one only will it to be so. Stay loss in tea and see how much backwards we will fall and the world will pull ahead as they have done already in almost everything.

Wow, I've always wanted to meet a lady who drinks more than I do. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying you can hold your likker til I see if you can dance when you're in that shape. Can you clog dance? 

Btw, where can I get a belt for my waisted mind?

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 11, 2010

Wow, I've always wanted to meet a lady who drinks more than I do. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying you can hold your likker til I see if you can dance when you're in that shape. Can you clog dance? 

Btw, where can I get a belt for my waisted mind?

LOL.ROFL

ELUCKYDREAM*

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 11, 2010

Louise, believe me, if there was any racism displayed by Tea Party Members, the President's Cheerleaders (the news media) would have been all over it. I am in the Tea Party Louise and I swear to you there is no racism. I have never seen the monkey/Africa thing you speak of and I can assure you that it would not be allowed by the Tea Party members. I did see George Bush depicted as a monkey and with a Hitler mustache on the internet for years though. Everyone seemed to think that was funny.

The news media won't show you but we have blacks as well as other minorities at our rallies and in our marches. The last Nashville rally I went to, over half of the speakers were black. Do you think they would be there with a bunch of racists carrying racist signs? I don't think so.

I only hope you will check your sources out a little better Louise or maybe I should just get a bottle of Jack and come up there and take you to a Tea Party event. I'll even let you carry a big ol' poster with a picture of me with a Hitler mustache if you want. Then we'll go bar hoppin' and get good and drunk.

I really don't like to get into conversations like these; but I must say something.  I understand what Louise is saying.  I see the people at  the Tea Party rallies and they don't reflect the makeup of America.  The news media is defintely not a friend to our President.  People see what they want to see.  Yes,  Rdgmr you say they accept everyone; however I wouldn't feel included because the Tea Party would not not represent my views or be sympathetic to my needs.  Groups always claim they are not racist; but what can you say when all you see is one race of people at  their rallies.  People can always call others ignorant when they don't agree with their views.  Also, people are so quick to criticize but they offer no solutions.  People are criticing Obama's policies, but they are not offering any better solutions.  Solutions should be for the betterment of the country as a whole.  Right now working people are hurting with no jobs; therfore making them unable to take care of their basic needs.  It is time out for pointing the finger and blaming without offering a better plan!!!!!

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

I don't drink.

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Quote: Originally posted by ELUCKYDREAM* on Oct 11, 2010

I really don't like to get into conversations like these; but I must say something.  I understand what Louise is saying.  I see the people at  the Tea Party rallies and they don't reflect the makeup of America.  The news media is defintely not a friend to our President.  People see what they want to see.  Yes,  Rdgmr you say they accept everyone; however I wouldn't feel included because the Tea Party would not not represent my views or be sympathetic to my needs.  Groups always claim they are not racist; but what can you say when all you see is one race of people at  their rallies.  People can always call others ignorant when they don't agree with their views.  Also, people are so quick to criticize but they offer no solutions.  People are criticing Obama's policies, but they are not offering any better solutions.  Solutions should be for the betterment of the country as a whole.  Right now working people are hurting with no jobs; therfore making them unable to take care of their basic needs.  It is time out for pointing the finger and blaming without offering a better plan!!!!!

ELUCKYDREAM*, I think I would need to write a book to address your issues. You would appear to me to be one of those who has taken the bait - hook, line and sinker.

You say the Tea Party doesn't reflect the makeup of America. Well I'm sorry, but we can't force people to attend after they are lied to by their "leaders" about us.

You say the news media is not a friend to the President. I'll lose all faith in your having any kind of intellect at all if you honestly believe that because that is just flat out wrong and everybody knows it.

You say you wouldn't feel included because the Tea Party wouldn't represent your views or be sympathetic to your needs. That could very well be true because I don't know what your views are or what needs you want sympathy for. 

You say we claim to not be racist but all you see is one race at our rallies. That is because the news media will not show the true makeup of our group because it doesn't fit their agenda. Do you consider the NAACP a racist group when you look at their makeup? No, of course not. We welcome minorities into our group. Would racists do that?

You say people are criticizing Obama's policies but are not offering any better solutions. Yes they are. Over and over and over but he still sticks to his agenda. The main thing he avoids and ignores is just common sense -------> When you find yourself in a hole, the very first thing you do is stop digging!

You don't get out of debt by massively increasing spending. You don't get out of debt by going out and borrowing even more money. You don't create jobs by punishing the job creators. You don't stimulate a weak economy by placing a crushing burden of taxes on the producers. You only exacerbate the problem by putting as many people as possible on the government payroll or on government funded entitlements simply to increase your political base.

You say solutions should be for the betterment of the country as a whole. I AGREE! AS A WHOLE! NOT just for his fellow crooks and cronies and supporters!

You say working people are hurting with no jobs. That's right and when he raises taxes on January 1st of 2011, it's going to get a whole lot WORSE.

I'll tell you what the key word is here ELUCKYDREAM* - Sustainability.

His massive spending spree is simply unsustainable.  He is taking this country down the road to financial ruin and ultimate total collapse.

There aren't enough millionaires in this country even if you confiscated all their money to sustain his spending. Do you understand that? It can't be done.

It cannot be sustained.

The Tea Party is nothing more than everyday Americans who see what's being done to our country and are trying to stop it.

You're right about the finger pointing and the blaming though.

That's right, it's time to stop calling everybody a racist simply because they may disagree with you. That's really getting old.

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Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 11, 2010

I don't drink.

Then you should.

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

Maybe you can see ALsaka from Tennesse, but I see America you don't.

Stop drinking!Red Devil

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

Your right!

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

Quote: Originally posted by ELUCKYDREAM* on Oct 11, 2010

I really don't like to get into conversations like these; but I must say something.  I understand what Louise is saying.  I see the people at  the Tea Party rallies and they don't reflect the makeup of America.  The news media is defintely not a friend to our President.  People see what they want to see.  Yes,  Rdgmr you say they accept everyone; however I wouldn't feel included because the Tea Party would not not represent my views or be sympathetic to my needs.  Groups always claim they are not racist; but what can you say when all you see is one race of people at  their rallies.  People can always call others ignorant when they don't agree with their views.  Also, people are so quick to criticize but they offer no solutions.  People are criticing Obama's policies, but they are not offering any better solutions.  Solutions should be for the betterment of the country as a whole.  Right now working people are hurting with no jobs; therfore making them unable to take care of their basic needs.  It is time out for pointing the finger and blaming without offering a better plan!!!!!

Your Right!

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Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 12, 2010

Maybe you can see ALsaka from Tennesse, but I see America you don't.

Stop drinking!Red Devil

I can't see ALsaka or Tennesse from anywhere but I can see me and you honky tonkin all night.

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Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 12, 2010

Your right!

I know.

Thank you.

Velocity's avatarVelocity

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 11, 2010

ELUCKYDREAM*, I think I would need to write a book to address your issues. You would appear to me to be one of those who has taken the bait - hook, line and sinker.

You say the Tea Party doesn't reflect the makeup of America. Well I'm sorry, but we can't force people to attend after they are lied to by their "leaders" about us.

You say the news media is not a friend to the President. I'll lose all faith in your having any kind of intellect at all if you honestly believe that because that is just flat out wrong and everybody knows it.

You say you wouldn't feel included because the Tea Party wouldn't represent your views or be sympathetic to your needs. That could very well be true because I don't know what your views are or what needs you want sympathy for. 

You say we claim to not be racist but all you see is one race at our rallies. That is because the news media will not show the true makeup of our group because it doesn't fit their agenda. Do you consider the NAACP a racist group when you look at their makeup? No, of course not. We welcome minorities into our group. Would racists do that?

You say people are criticizing Obama's policies but are not offering any better solutions. Yes they are. Over and over and over but he still sticks to his agenda. The main thing he avoids and ignores is just common sense -------> When you find yourself in a hole, the very first thing you do is stop digging!

You don't get out of debt by massively increasing spending. You don't get out of debt by going out and borrowing even more money. You don't create jobs by punishing the job creators. You don't stimulate a weak economy by placing a crushing burden of taxes on the producers. You only exacerbate the problem by putting as many people as possible on the government payroll or on government funded entitlements simply to increase your political base.

You say solutions should be for the betterment of the country as a whole. I AGREE! AS A WHOLE! NOT just for his fellow crooks and cronies and supporters!

You say working people are hurting with no jobs. That's right and when he raises taxes on January 1st of 2011, it's going to get a whole lot WORSE.

I'll tell you what the key word is here ELUCKYDREAM* - Sustainability.

His massive spending spree is simply unsustainable.  He is taking this country down the road to financial ruin and ultimate total collapse.

There aren't enough millionaires in this country even if you confiscated all their money to sustain his spending. Do you understand that? It can't be done.

It cannot be sustained.

The Tea Party is nothing more than everyday Americans who see what's being done to our country and are trying to stop it.

You're right about the finger pointing and the blaming though.

That's right, it's time to stop calling everybody a racist simply because they may disagree with you. That's really getting old.

Rdgrnr, I couldn't have said it better myself! This is exactly what the Tea Party is trying to say. If people think Obama is so great they need to go and take a look at what happened to Zimbabwe and THEIR INFLATION crisis. We are following straight down their path. But the only thing that everyone seems to be concerned with is the pebble in their shoe at the moment. People had better wake up and stop worrying about petty things and name calling and look at the bigger picture. When our economy and dollar collapses and people haven't prepared by stocking up on food and water, there will be civil unrest and total chaos. Don't think when something bad happens our good ole government is going to come and save you, take a look at the response to Katrina and realize it will be a hundred fold and it won't be just a few states it will be EVERY state. Do you think there will be enough man power and money to pay everyone? People won't work for free! Why doesn't everyone quit worrying about Kool-Aid, Tea, Black and White and start hearing the MESSAGE that is being preached!?!Patriot

Diamon Life-BTW, I'm not part of the Tea Party movement, but, I am a minority AND a Democrat and I get what the Tea Party is trying to say, and there will ALWAYS be IDIOTS/Racist people in any group or club, you can't fix stupid with some people. But to group every white person with a RACIST white person makes no sense at all!!!Sulk Off

visiondude's avatarvisiondude

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 12, 2010

I can't see ALsaka or Tennesse from anywhere but I can see me and you honky tonkin all night.

ok, time for sense and sensibility.

my buddy rdgrnr,  i know you like likker,  but even you must admit when you start a courtin the wimmins you are opposed to,

even you know that means you need to at least slow down down a smidge,  and git hold of yo'sef.

love,  visiondude

Brahmi Lamine

freind

the USA politic is  have to change atleast !!!! beleive me ! we  want to see  the new economic ,geopolitic

and "cultural media" strategy !!! ok!! for Mr.  Obama he  is  in good way but he are need a support for all his

people's and the global opinion !!!!! "because some time   we win a lotto of changement of numbers !!!!"it's clearly that American's consern is not only in heand of Mr Obama !!!! so you have to see  all  the climat in wiht

house and the congres !!!!!

freind !!!no body can win a roulette in" political USA casino today"! because  all the world wait some  changement!!!!

and how tobe changed ????? this is our question !!!!!!

Finally i support Mr Obama for his strategy !!! and i hope to see him winner in this "lotto"!!!!!

and now  and for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what's update???????????????? about my winning?!

 

have a nice time.

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Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Oct 11, 2010

You are d--- wrong ,it's easy for some people ,who has been given a leg up just ( Because ), to make petty statment like this , Oh! yes grammar and all I still can hold my own with the likes of SARAH and other race baiting crowd.If you ask me ,which I wasn't but,I will say it anyway people like you just  I have been.Paid  for your father and grandfather debts. Excuse me,but that how it works. Yes, one of my family member works  now for one of the worst company ever.She has to pay a hefty part of her insurance and still pays large doctor and hospital bills.This is before the Healthcare bill.Cussing Face

First off, I have never been giving a "leg up", especially lately.  My husband lost his job in April, we got our car repossessed in August, we're barely holding onto our home.  He has a new job, which pays a fraction of the bills.  We are debating whether or not to keep our health insurance next year because of the jump in our contribution.  We can't afford it, thanks to the new healthcare reform bill. 

At least Sarah can spell and put together a complete sentence.  Yes, I know we pay previous debts, but Obama's "pork-u-lus" bill was nothing more than paying back his cronies.  It did NOTHING for the economy or our citizens.  He seems to think he has a blank check to this country and he can keep spending and spending and we can keep paying and paying. 

If your family member thinks she's paying hefty insurance bills now, just wait until they take into effect Obama's healthcare reform bill!  She'll be paying through the nose!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Brahmi Lamine on Oct 12, 2010

freind

the USA politic is  have to change atleast !!!! beleive me ! we  want to see  the new economic ,geopolitic

and "cultural media" strategy !!! ok!! for Mr.  Obama he  is  in good way but he are need a support for all his

people's and the global opinion !!!!! "because some time   we win a lotto of changement of numbers !!!!"it's clearly that American's consern is not only in heand of Mr Obama !!!! so you have to see  all  the climat in wiht

house and the congres !!!!!

freind !!!no body can win a roulette in" political USA casino today"! because  all the world wait some  changement!!!!

and how tobe changed ????? this is our question !!!!!!

Finally i support Mr Obama for his strategy !!! and i hope to see him winner in this "lotto"!!!!!

and now  and for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what's update???????????????? about my winning?!

 

have a nice time.

Brahmi,

I'm afraid you don't understand the situation here.

Communism has never worked anywhere in the world including your country. Your country was the first to overthrow the communists in 1956. Maybe you are too young to remember how bad communism was for your country then and again later, under Soviet domination.

Our President is taking us down the road to that form of government and the overwhelming majority of the American people are against it.

If you support our President, you are taking a stand with him against the American people.

Watch our elections November 2nd and you will see the will of the American people.

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Quote: Originally posted by Velocity on Oct 12, 2010

Rdgrnr, I couldn't have said it better myself! This is exactly what the Tea Party is trying to say. If people think Obama is so great they need to go and take a look at what happened to Zimbabwe and THEIR INFLATION crisis. We are following straight down their path. But the only thing that everyone seems to be concerned with is the pebble in their shoe at the moment. People had better wake up and stop worrying about petty things and name calling and look at the bigger picture. When our economy and dollar collapses and people haven't prepared by stocking up on food and water, there will be civil unrest and total chaos. Don't think when something bad happens our good ole government is going to come and save you, take a look at the response to Katrina and realize it will be a hundred fold and it won't be just a few states it will be EVERY state. Do you think there will be enough man power and money to pay everyone? People won't work for free! Why doesn't everyone quit worrying about Kool-Aid, Tea, Black and White and start hearing the MESSAGE that is being preached!?!Patriot

Diamon Life-BTW, I'm not part of the Tea Party movement, but, I am a minority AND a Democrat and I get what the Tea Party is trying to say, and there will ALWAYS be IDIOTS/Racist people in any group or club, you can't fix stupid with some people. But to group every white person with a RACIST white person makes no sense at all!!!Sulk Off

Thank you Velocity.

Your points were every bit as valid as mine with maybe even more cogency in this matter because you're a minority and of the President's party.

Thanks again.

Brahmi Lamine

sir!!,okay ! maybe  this is true  !!! but  belive me that any president can't change a situation !!!!!!!

the  global changement  it's asqued !!!! and i think that it's possible in USA also !!!

because these old regulation willbe cancelted by some force majore !and after werre are  we going ?????

remember that the greet American's people's it's constucted by all world origin and he can't move out

the world situation !!!!!!!

 

 

and what about my cash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????????

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Oct 12, 2010

ok, time for sense and sensibility.

my buddy rdgrnr,  i know you like likker,  but even you must admit when you start a courtin the wimmins you are opposed to,

even you know that means you need to at least slow down down a smidge,  and git hold of yo'sef.

love,  visiondude

Thanks dude but I never hold wimmins political persuasions against em. (Man, I could tell a good joke right here but not in good taste so I won't)

I always give them the benefit of the doubt though, that maybe they're just confused and then I take them out drinkin and dancin all night and try to show them the error of their ways. The forms of counseling and the modalities applied are varied and admittedly can be rigorous and even exhausting to both parties at times but the Machiavellian approach seems to work well in this endeavor as I usually find that the end justifies the means in a very real and literal sense. 

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Oct 11, 2010

"If you ask me ,which I wasn't but,I will say it anyway people like you just  I have been.Paid for your father and grandfather debts."

Louise, if you could put together a coherent sentence, maybe we could figure what the hell you're trying to say.Crazy

Or is your failure to write a complete coherent sentence the fault of whites, the tea party, republicans, whoever?

You being from Texas, a state that  wants to  concede the union  and rewrite history with the full omission of slavey and the  atrocious act. One word',Shut! THE HELL UP!!!Cussing Face You have nothing to say to me,thank God you're in Texas partner.Thumbs Up

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Quote: Originally posted by gonnawinwatchme on Oct 12, 2010

First off, I have never been giving a "leg up", especially lately.  My husband lost his job in April, we got our car repossessed in August, we're barely holding onto our home.  He has a new job, which pays a fraction of the bills.  We are debating whether or not to keep our health insurance next year because of the jump in our contribution.  We can't afford it, thanks to the new healthcare reform bill. 

At least Sarah can spell and put together a complete sentence.  Yes, I know we pay previous debts, but Obama's "pork-u-lus" bill was nothing more than paying back his cronies.  It did NOTHING for the economy or our citizens.  He seems to think he has a blank check to this country and he can keep spending and spending and we can keep paying and paying. 

If your family member thinks she's paying hefty insurance bills now, just wait until they take into effect Obama's healthcare reform bill!  She'll be paying through the nose!

Excellent points gonnawinwatchme.

I'd like to add that McDonalds and a bunch of other large corporations who were recently complaining that they would have to fire employees because they couldn't afford the new Healthcare laws were given waivers to put them above the law and not required to get the government healthcare for their employees.

Why were they given waivers? To shut them up before the election.

Why did they need to shut them up? Because they were telling everybody how the new healthcare system doesn't work.

If McDonalds and these other large corporations can't make it work, nobody can.

This is going to be a fiasco of epic proportions if we don't get it repealed.

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Quote: Originally posted by Brahmi Lamine on Oct 12, 2010

sir!!,okay ! maybe  this is true  !!! but  belive me that any president can't change a situation !!!!!!!

the  global changement  it's asqued !!!! and i think that it's possible in USA also !!!

because these old regulation willbe cancelted by some force majore !and after werre are  we going ?????

remember that the greet American's people's it's constucted by all world origin and he can't move out

the world situation !!!!!!!

 

 

and what about my cash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????????

and what about my cash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????????

 

You keep asking about your cash, Brahmi.

We have an old saying here: The check is in the mail.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Brahmi Lamine on Oct 12, 2010

sir!!,okay ! maybe  this is true  !!! but  belive me that any president can't change a situation !!!!!!!

the  global changement  it's asqued !!!! and i think that it's possible in USA also !!!

because these old regulation willbe cancelted by some force majore !and after werre are  we going ?????

remember that the greet American's people's it's constucted by all world origin and he can't move out

the world situation !!!!!!!

 

 

and what about my cash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????????????

Actually, one man can turn around an entire country single-handedly.  Ronald Reagan did in starting in 1980, when he inherited a much worse and more dangerous situation than the current one.

By the end of his first two years things were getting on a firm footing, and by the end of his first term American was proud and strong once again.  He was re-elected by one of the most overwhelming landslide victories in modern history -- 49 out of 50 states.

Ronald Reagan, through his unwavering vision of what American really is, and through the incredible leadership necessary to bring the whole country along with him, despite overwhelming opposition from the daily pounding of an unchallenged liberal media, did it himself.

That's a what true leader is, and we can all see how history judges such a man.  How will it judge Obama?

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Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 11, 2010

I don't drink.

This....

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Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 12, 2010

Actually, one man can turn around an entire country single-handedly.  Ronald Reagan did in starting in 1980, when he inherited a much worse and more dangerous situation than the current one.

By the end of his first two years things were getting on a firm footing, and by the end of his first term American was proud and strong once again.  He was re-elected by one of the most overwhelming landslide victories in modern history -- 49 out of 50 states.

Ronald Reagan, through his unwavering vision of what American really is, and through the incredible leadership necessary to bring the whole country along with him, despite overwhelming opposition from the daily pounding of an unchallenged liberal media, did it himself.

That's a what true leader is, and we can all see how history judges such a man.  How will it judge Obama?

.........and this..

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 12, 2010

Actually, one man can turn around an entire country single-handedly.  Ronald Reagan did in starting in 1980, when he inherited a much worse and more dangerous situation than the current one.

By the end of his first two years things were getting on a firm footing, and by the end of his first term American was proud and strong once again.  He was re-elected by one of the most overwhelming landslide victories in modern history -- 49 out of 50 states.

Ronald Reagan, through his unwavering vision of what American really is, and through the incredible leadership necessary to bring the whole country along with him, despite overwhelming opposition from the daily pounding of an unchallenged liberal media, did it himself.

That's a what true leader is, and we can all see how history judges such a man.  How will it judge Obama?

I tell you , he will be judge by historian, who hopfully have nothing politically to gain,personally you guys try to make Ronald Reagan out to be a saint , which he wasn't he made lots of bad calls, the firing of the air traffic control workers, which started all the incompetency of the airlines. There was multiple of crashes afterward.President Obama will be re-elected.Thumbs Up

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 12, 2010

Excellent points gonnawinwatchme.

I'd like to add that McDonalds and a bunch of other large corporations who were recently complaining that they would have to fire employees because they couldn't afford the new Healthcare laws were given waivers to put them above the law and not required to get the government healthcare for their employees.

Why were they given waivers? To shut them up before the election.

Why did they need to shut them up? Because they were telling everybody how the new healthcare system doesn't work.

If McDonalds and these other large corporations can't make it work, nobody can.

This is going to be a fiasco of epic proportions if we don't get it repealed.

                       I AGREE,  There's a old saying on the Reservations, DON'T GET SICK AFTER JUNE!

What do you think is going to happen when the government decides your illness is to expensive?

If you don't buy their insurance than you'll be subject to fines, IF YOU DON'T PAY THE FINES THAN YOU CAN GO TO JAIL FOR 20 DAYS! AT MORE TAX PAYER EXPENSE.

Lets not forget the millions of people who work in the health care system who will lose their jobs, because of this,  People won't be able to afford to eat at Mcdonalds.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Oct 12, 2010

I tell you , he will be judge by historian, who hopfully have nothing politically to gain,personally you guys try to make Ronald Reagan out to be a saint , which he wasn't he made lots of bad calls, the firing of the air traffic control workers, which started all the incompetency of the airlines. There was multiple of crashes afterward.President Obama will be re-elected.Thumbs Up

Actually, the firing of the air traffic controllers was a gutsy and correct move.  Nobody is perfect, so I'm sure if someone like you wants to target a person as "bad", they will undoubtedly find things to talk about.  But history does not judge a person on relatively minor decisions.  They tend to judge on the outcome, and then they look at all the decisions that led to that outcome.

For Reagan, the outcome was that America went from a run-down, demoralized morass, which was threatened by the Soviet Union, and from a whole lot of people who were ready to give in to them, to the most prosperous peacetime expansion in its history that defeated the Soviets without a single shot fired.  "Peace through strength" and "trust but verify" are some of the sentiments attributed directly to Reagan.

For Obama, I think we're still waiting to see just how good or bad things will become.  Then, once his term(s) is/are over, historians will view the outcome, and then go back and examine all the decisions that led up to that good or bad outcome.

Personally, I think you're being very optimistic on his chances of re-election.  But then again, I guess we'll all find out in two years.

Jack-C's avatarJack-C

Today is the first day that I have read this thread.  What does all this political discussion have to do with$116M Georgia Powerball winner claims prize???

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Oct 12, 2010

                       I AGREE,  There's a old saying on the Reservations, DON'T GET SICK AFTER JUNE!

What do you think is going to happen when the government decides your illness is to expensive?

If you don't buy their insurance than you'll be subject to fines, IF YOU DON'T PAY THE FINES THAN YOU CAN GO TO JAIL FOR 20 DAYS! AT MORE TAX PAYER EXPENSE.

Lets not forget the millions of people who work in the health care system who will lose their jobs, because of this,  People won't be able to afford to eat at Mcdonalds.

Order in the court, small mined people have taken over America with tea, dont eat the fishes in Boston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smash

Diamon Life's avatarDiamon Life

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Oct 12, 2010

I tell you , he will be judge by historian, who hopfully have nothing politically to gain,personally you guys try to make Ronald Reagan out to be a saint , which he wasn't he made lots of bad calls, the firing of the air traffic control workers, which started all the incompetency of the airlines. There was multiple of crashes afterward.President Obama will be re-elected.Thumbs Up

He is going to be re-elected certainly. I'm an independant and I know for sure all those tea partyers are getting a lot of

independants angry.

What a great Powerball win. If I'd ever won that much money I would donante to the re-election of our President.

US Flag     US Flag  US Flag

 

Now, that's American!

HaveABall's avatarHaveABall

Quote: Originally posted by Litebets27 on Oct 9, 2010

Congratulations to the 46 year old executive, who will.."ONLY get $63million".

If someone calmly walked into my office and stated we needed to pray...I would immediately call security and 911.

Bonner was his pastor, if you were his pastor, you wouldn't find it an odd request.

HaveABall's avatarHaveABall

Quote: Originally posted by Brahmi Lamine on Oct 12, 2010

freind

the USA politic is  have to change atleast !!!! beleive me ! we  want to see  the new economic ,geopolitic

and "cultural media" strategy !!! ok!! for Mr.  Obama he  is  in good way but he are need a support for all his

people's and the global opinion !!!!! "because some time   we win a lotto of changement of numbers !!!!"it's clearly that American's consern is not only in heand of Mr Obama !!!! so you have to see  all  the climat in wiht

house and the congres !!!!!

freind !!!no body can win a roulette in" political USA casino today"! because  all the world wait some  changement!!!!

and how tobe changed ????? this is our question !!!!!!

Finally i support Mr Obama for his strategy !!! and i hope to see him winner in this "lotto"!!!!!

and now  and for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what's update???????????????? about my winning?!

 

have a nice time.

The "update" ... Well, you are losing, and your thoughts appear to be continuing in a downward, rapid fall.  Wake up.  What you thought is "good" actually isn't. 

It's simply massive spending of money that doesn't exist in our countrymen's coffers.  Yep, trillions of $$$s spent with no way to replenish.  No way to get a loan from outside of our country and be able to pay it back.  No way for all the resident peoples in the United States of America -- who possess over $3 million dollars -- to give their excess (those over the $3 million dollar mark) money to government to pay off the currently existing debt (because the debt is now more than all of their saved monies combined).  Some might think that if the combined offerings of the multi-millionairs wouldn't be enough than we could add the billionairs and the trillionairs.  The problem is that if we could somehow oddly get these people to donate their funds there STILL wouldn't be enough to pay off the debt that has been digging a grave for this country's society members for the last 2 years especially (during majority democrat party administrations for both houses)!

Somber, ACTUAL state of monetary affairs, isn't it?  Plus, we can't print more money (since it would be worth less than the ever sinking dollar's current value has become).  What is to be done to pay off the debt, should we cease:  large state and country governments (and downsize to small),  bizzar high cost proposals for national healthcare, trading with all other countries and switch to producing and distributing our country's own fruits, vegetables, and oil? 

Quite a quandary for an almost thoroughly distracted, ransaked, broke, and exhausted society to solve AND remedy before it's extinction.  How do we citizens heal our once great country and now disenchanged society recently brought to its knees?

Coffee

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Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 12, 2010

Order in the court, small mined people have taken over America with tea, dont eat the fishes in Boston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smash

Holy Moly! I didn't even know they were mining small people!

Where are these small people mines at?

psykomo's avatarpsykomo

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 12, 2010

Holy Moly! I didn't even know they were mining small people!

Where are these small people mines at?

HOLLY CRAPP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we R gona GET on D bus & CRANK her^^^^^^^^GIVE her GREEN tea!!!!!!!

YES>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this COACH like's>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WILLIE's>>BIO>>>>GREEN tea!!!!!!!

PartyDrumDanceHiding Behind ComputerWhite BounceThinking of...White Bounce>>>>WILLIE like's GREEN tea!!!

we'r>>>>Hiding Behind ComputerWhite BounceUS FlagWhite BounceWhite BounceDrum>>>>ON>>>D>>>ROAD again!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 12, 2010

He is going to be re-elected certainly. I'm an independant and I know for sure all those tea partyers are getting a lot of

independants angry.

What a great Powerball win. If I'd ever won that much money I would donante to the re-election of our President.

US Flag     US Flag  US Flag

 

Now, that's American!

Tea Partyers are getting the Independents angry? LOL!

Listen close baby sister, most Tea Partyers are Independents.

That's where the bulk of the outrage against Obama comes from.

From the Independent voters who voted for him last time.

I'm an Independent voter myself, though I didn't vote for the communist.

But believe me, the Independents who voted for him last time won't be fooled again.

And a little advice: It's extremely disingenuous of you to claim to be an Independent. No one who is drooling at the mouth with devotion to Obama like you are could ever be an Independent. You're just another face in the herd of people who can't think for themselves and take their marching orders and talking points from those who buy your dignity and self-respect and use you. You should just tell the truth. You only make yourself look silly claiming to be something you're not when everybody here knows better.

Personally, based on what I've heard from you so far, I'd bet that you're barely old enough to vote.

And because of that I hereby rescind my offer to take you out drinkin' and dancin' all night.

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Oct 12, 2010

You being from Texas, a state that  wants to  concede the union  and rewrite history with the full omission of slavey and the  atrocious act. One word',Shut! THE HELL UP!!!Cussing Face You have nothing to say to me,thank God you're in Texas partner.Thumbs Up

Well.......

Got ya a little PO'd there a little, huh?  LOL.

Well, you still can put together a coherent sentence. LOL.

No.... I don't believe I will " SHUT! THE HELL UP!!! LOL.

Don't pop a blood vessel there sugar! LOL.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Oct 12, 2010

I tell you , he will be judge by historian, who hopfully have nothing politically to gain,personally you guys try to make Ronald Reagan out to be a saint , which he wasn't he made lots of bad calls, the firing of the air traffic control workers, which started all the incompetency of the airlines. There was multiple of crashes afterward.President Obama will be re-elected.Thumbs Up

Just for the record, those Air Traffic Controllers (I knew one of them) signed a contract agreeing that they could never go on strike.

Shutting down air traffic and holding the nation hostage for higher wages was a matter of national security.

They were already making a ton of money compared to other unions.

They broke their bond, they violated their trust, they went back on their word.

President Reagan gave them a chance to return to work while continuing negotiations. They refused.

He did the right thing and was well within the law and contractual obligations when he fired them.

They shoulda known though: Don't mess with the Gipper.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 12, 2010

Actually, one man can turn around an entire country single-handedly.  Ronald Reagan did in starting in 1980, when he inherited a much worse and more dangerous situation than the current one.

By the end of his first two years things were getting on a firm footing, and by the end of his first term American was proud and strong once again.  He was re-elected by one of the most overwhelming landslide victories in modern history -- 49 out of 50 states.

Ronald Reagan, through his unwavering vision of what American really is, and through the incredible leadership necessary to bring the whole country along with him, despite overwhelming opposition from the daily pounding of an unchallenged liberal media, did it himself.

That's a what true leader is, and we can all see how history judges such a man.  How will it judge Obama?

Very well put, Todd. You have a way with words.

I just hope we'll see another leader like Ronald Reagan who could somehow galvanize disparate groups of people to work together for the common good.

I 've been watching and I haven't seen anybody of his caliber coming down the pike quite yet.

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Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 12, 2010

Order in the court, small mined people have taken over America with tea, dont eat the fishes in Boston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smash

I see you finally learned how to use the reply button., or did you ask for help?

I am a Tea party member because I belive hard working Americans are being overtaxed.

Please genius, tell me why you don't want to keep more of your hard earned money?

I'M TRYING TO HELP KEEP YOUR MONEY IN YOUR POCKET SO YOU HAVE MORE FOR YOURSELF.

DO YOU REALLY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TAKING YOUR MONEY SO NANCY PELOSI CAN HAVE A PRIVATE JET?

Were you angry when obama sent 200 million to Brazil for deep off shore drilling, right after a major spill in the gulf of Mexico, he enacted an illegal moratorium and put americans out of work, guess what? brazil in not drilling oil for us , with our money, THEIR DRILLING IT FOR CHINA. I KNOW YOU MUST BE FURIOUS.

Since I'm so small minded, please genius , tell me your favorite part of the health care bill? ITS 1600 PAGES LONG WITH LOTS OF HIDDEN STUFF WE DON'T EVEN KNOW YET.

I have seen government healthcare first hand, it's heartbreaking, go visit any Indian Reservation,an ask anyone about government healthcare.

BY THE WAY GENIUS DON'T EAT THE FISH OR SHRIMP FROM THE GULF BECAUSE OUR PRESIDENT SPENT HIS TIME GOLFING AND WOULD NOT ALLOW AMERICANS TO CLEAN UP THE OIL , 200 MILLION BARRELS LATER A VERY LARGE PORTION OF OUR FOOD(NOT TO MENTION THE VERY LIVES OF AMERICANS WHO DEPEND ON THE GULF TO SURVIVE HAS BEEN DESTROYED.

OTHER THAN NAME CALLING ...GIVE ME ONE FACT,

AND NO HE WILL NOT BE RE-ELECTED,

Velocity's avatarVelocity

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 12, 2010

Thank you Velocity.

Your points were every bit as valid as mine with maybe even more cogency in this matter because you're a minority and of the President's party.

Thanks again.

rdgrnr, hey I just call it how I see it. It really shouldn't take much for people to understand how the spending in Washington is out of control. This isn't about black or white. This is how our President is a kiss @$$ and is trying to appease everybody and it's not working!!! Some people on here just don't get it and when the time comes, and it will soon, they and millions of other people are going to be so unprepared to deal with things, it will cause our society to collapse. But, rdgrnr what can you do but inform, pray about things, and do your diligence to turn things around before it is too late!?! You can't just print money out of thin air and expect other countries to pick up our slack and support our gluttonous, lazy ways. So when the economy goes bust and there is no more "entitlements" don't say you weren't warned! If people think it's bad now wait until the dollar collapses and a loaf of bread cost $100 or more! And if people think that can't happen your seriously deluding yourself. The stock market crash and The Great Depression of 1929 will look like a cake walk compared to what will happen if Washington keeps doing what they are doing.

I have to say I thought President Carter was the worst President but Obama has him beat by miles, and I don't say this because of hate. I say this because of what he is doing as President, we as a Nation cannot keep spending and adding to our debt. Other countries will get tired of sustaining our standard of living and we will not be known as the United States of America, but the United States of China. This will not happen all at once, but over a period of years. Can people not see how the price of food has risen, gas, clothes, medical care and supplies? This is INFLATION!!! Zimbabwe was a well to do country but "gross economic mismanagement and hyperinflation" caused their currency to collapse. Everything that has happened to that country is happening here and now, but the only thing people can complain of is Kool-aid remarks!!! If the Tea Party offends people then hear what they got to say and check it out and get the facts and see how the things they are saying is coming to pass. Educate yourself.

I work in retail and I had a customer talk about how he lost $700,000 in this recession. The middle class is being slowly wiped out, soon there will only be two classes of people, the rich "elite" and the poor. It's always been said history repeats itself, it's not history but stupid human behavior, and, we as a nation will soon have to pay the consequences for all of our actions...Frown

psykomo's avatarpsykomo

Quote: Originally posted by psykomo on Oct 12, 2010

HOLLY CRAPP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we R gona GET on D bus & CRANK her^^^^^^^^GIVE her GREEN tea!!!!!!!

YES>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this COACH like's>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WILLIE's>>BIO>>>>GREEN tea!!!!!!!

PartyDrumDanceHiding Behind ComputerWhite BounceThinking of...White Bounce>>>>WILLIE like's GREEN tea!!!

we'r>>>>Hiding Behind ComputerWhite BounceUS FlagWhite BounceWhite BounceDrum>>>>ON>>>D>>>ROAD again!

IF we can trick TODD>>>>>>we R on PANDORA>>>>>>>free 2 listen 2 the FABRIC>>>>>>>>DrumJack-in-the-Box

psykomo

psykomo's avatarpsykomo

Quote: Originally posted by psykomo on Oct 13, 2010

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Quote: Originally posted by Diamon Life on Oct 12, 2010

He is going to be re-elected certainly. I'm an independant and I know for sure all those tea partyers are getting a lot of

independants angry.

What a great Powerball win. If I'd ever won that much money I would donante to the re-election of our President.

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Now, that's American!

What a waste of Powerball money, re-elect a man that's taking this country BACKWARDS.

These Democrats are going to have a rude awakening come Nov.

 

Anyone see this article?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/104816414.html

 

It talks about billboards that are warning people that voter fraud is illegal and the Democrats are all up in arms.  WHY?!?!?!  If you're not doing anything illegal, why the worry!??!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by gonnawinwatchme on Oct 14, 2010

What a waste of Powerball money, re-elect a man that's taking this country BACKWARDS.

These Democrats are going to have a rude awakening come Nov.

 

Anyone see this article?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/104816414.html

 

It talks about billboards that are warning people that voter fraud is illegal and the Democrats are all up in arms.  WHY?!?!?!  If you're not doing anything illegal, why the worry!??!

LOL, those idiots and their ilk would protest billboards saying that murder is wrong too.

Unfortunately for them, this constant theme of trying to make wrong right and right wrong is getting old and worn out.

I'm surprised the ACLU isn't out there suing everybody. They always take the side of anything that's bad for the country too.

It's about time that the sun sets on these idiots that have been telling people to lie and cheat for years and thankfully it is.

If you want to vote illegally for a pint of wine or 5 bucks from ACORN that's fine.

But know that sometimes you also get 3 years of baloney sandwiches and a bunk with Bubba as a bonus.

Jyna Log

[quote]We now have a President and Congress that repeatedly go against the will of the people. All polls show that the American people are overwhelmingly opposed to virtually everything our President and Congress are doing. They know we are against it but they defy us and go ahead and do it anyway.[/quote]

This sounds like Deja Vu from the previous administration, yet I didn't hear any "tea party'ers" screaming and yelling and calling people communists then, or protesting record spending, record defecits, etc, etc, etc... Where was the "tea party" then? Where was the "tea party" when under the watch of an allegedly "conservative' administration we went from a budget surplus and 5 trillion dollar national debt to a trillion dollar budget deficit and greater than 10 trillion dollar national debt in less than a decade? You can blame "the other guys" if you want.. But, like Bush said (and Obama claimed for himself as well) "The Buck Stops Here." And, your guys (not that the bush admin was 'your guys') are just as guilty of all the same things you accuse the 'other guys' of now, or blame for the current economic woes.

[quote]I can tell you from experience as a Tea Party member that those claims are all lies. I attend Tea Party rallies and events and I participated in the two 9/12 Taxpayer Marches on Washington DC with these people. They are the nicest, friendliest, most decent people you will ever meet. I have never witnessed any racism or hate or violence at any Tea Party event and if I did, I wouldn't belong to it..[/quote]

www dot huffingtonpost dot com /2010/03/20/tea-party-protests-nier-f_n_507116

Something tells me your response to this won't be to cancel your membership with the Tea Party... but, rather more namecalling, "liberal bias blog", "perfect example of communist idiot sheep just believing what they hear", etc, etc... As opposed to acknowledging that this (and a notable and growing number of other incidents) is a documentable, verifiable incident occurring at a "tea party protest". That's not to say that all tea party'ers are racist, evil, scum.... No... that would be about as absurd as you claiming that they are all the "nicest, friendliest, most decent people you will ever meet." ! 

In fact, (if i may) I find much of what you say to come across as hypocritical and contradictory... You yourself have done little more than call names, insult, condescend, and make blanket accusations against entire demographics of people and against anyone who doesn't fit your particular alignment. In fact, your comments are largely little more than intellectually dishonest debate tactics that do nothing to actually address important issues or inform me of the "tea party" way that is going to fix all of our problems. I don't need to hear more name-calling. I don't need to hear vague talking points and ideological "sound goods". Such is already the accepted norm in political discourse these days.

And, from my perspective (as an unaffiliated, registered voter), I see people more hell-bent on choosing and vigorously defending alignment with the same hypocrisy by "repeating" over and over the same hollow talking points from (pick your party's propaganda machine) that are weak on substance and the offering of any actual solutions to our most pressing issues; but big on fear-mongering, hate speech, and the promoting of vague premises that offer little input in the realm of productive and useful dialog. You can't accuse people of being ignorant, and namecalling, when you yourself have just filled an entire post with little more than just that. A post full of intellectually dishonest debate tactics (primarily namecalling, and attacking of individuals rather than appropriately addressing the issues), and light on substance or anything more than a vague ideological stance without supporting ideas of how to actually address and fix issues. 

[quote]But we seem to have a couple people here who base their opinions on what they've heard on the leftwing hate blogs and from their "leaders". They seem to enjoy spreading gossip and rumors and lies without any evidence, documentation or firsthand experience. They should be ashamed of themselves.[/quote]

And, a counter example being the very prominent political figures and pundits who have (and some still continue to) vigorously promoted the spread of completely factless accusations about (i.e.) a president of the united states (rather than offering actual alternative solutions to *issues*), such as the factually defunct claims of his alleged muslim religious alignment (a *factoid* that roughly 20% of the american public believes to be true... speaking of just believing whatever you hear...), or the - equally devoid of any factually supportive evidence - claims against his birthplace. People who are staunch supporters of the tea party... dare I say spokesperson(s)- some of them. People who organize and promote tea party rallies on their highly visible cable and radio shows, making such wild claims without any actual evidence (on national television... with a straight face... to millions of people... who seem to just accept it all as fact, ironically enough). People who make hateful and counter-productive, comments such as (paraphrase) "our president has a deep seated hatred for white people/white culture" and "this guy is a racist"... So, I can certainly see where accusations of racial ignorance/insensitivity (at least) towards the tea party come from when one of your spokespersons spreads such useless drivel... 

This is just (to use a cliche) more of the same. People more interested in choosing sides, and repeating talking points that "sound good", without any independent investigation on their part, or (seemingly) any real desire to be informed about actual issues and possible solutions... pretty much what you spent your entire post accusing "the other side" of. Same ole, same ole... I don't need another party to get that crap. There are already plenty of parties using the same M.O.

My own personal perception of the "tea party movement" on the whole is a lot of misguided hostility. a lot of talk about what is wrong, and not a lot of alternative solutions. It all sounds good on the surface, but I'm not hearing any real substance. I do see a lot of "business as usual" though... just with a different name.

And, if I may... on the topic of big government vs. small government (since that is another re-hashed common talking point of the Tea Party)... It seems to me, that this is not the valid discussion to be had.. The valid discussion is not the size of the government (in my opinion), but the effectiveness, and efficiency of the Government. I don't care how big or small it is. I care if it is effective and how efficient it is. It is currently neither. And, this is just a continuation of a trend that did not start with Obama. And, the ratcheting of the hate-speech, fear-mongering, name-calling, etc from all party lines is NOT doing anything to address the issue. Neither are claims that (while they may sound good on the surface) "our problem is one of big government". NO. Sorry. It's one of ineffective government. b/c the pubs, the dems, the tea party... you are all the same, in my opinion. Big talk. no solution. Motives that don't wash with what gets put out on the surface... Either by the propaganda machine, or by people unknowingly being puppet-ed for ulterior motives beyond their sphere of awareness.

p.s. Apparently bbcode doesn't work here... how do you wrap text with quote tags here? :)

As an aside.. since i'm on the topic and don't have too many people to talk politics with :)

On healthcare... Now, I'm not necessarily in favor of "universal free health care" for this country at this time (though, in an ideal world, I have absolutely no problem with it) but that is b/c it is a far more complex issue than private or public, imo.. And, unfortunately.. again I didn't see any real alternatives being offered up to what was being pushed through by the party voted into power. I saw a lot of kicking and screaming. more fear-mongering. and a lot of "no, no, no"... with the opposing party seemingly offering up their stance on (the very serious issue of) healthcare as being they either had no ideas, or didn't think it needing of any major reform. At least (in this case) I can applaud Obama for undertaking a big issue that needs to be addressed... regardless of what the outcome may be.

Healthcare in this country is a major, major problem... if someone doesn't recognize it as such, well... lucky them, I guess. But, fewer and fewer people fit that mold...

I pose this question. (I feel that the health and education of a society are pretty much the two most important things in creating a sustainable, prosperous people. No one screams socialism about free public education, yet on the issue of our health (which I think any reasonable mind must concede is as vital to a societies long-term success as education is) it becomes "socialist", "gov't takeover", etc... I don't get that. Again... I just hear fear-mongering, not an actual introspective look at the status of our nations health care, and what can be done to fix it, but namecalling and getting people riled up with bumper sticker taglines.

Anyways... here is the question I pose. Do you not find it morally criminal that the health care industry is a for-profit endeavor? (I'm not talking about it being free... I'm talking about it being a "For Profit' industry). I personally find it rather offensive for the health and well-being of an individual or society as a whole to be determinate upon some businesses bottom line. Billions of dollars in advertising each year for the latest wonder drug. uninsured continuing to be priced out due to the constant back and forth between hospital rates and insurance premiums, brought on by bidding wars that afford the insurance companies the privilege of paying only a percentage of the billed amount... multi-billion dollar insurance companies paying as little as 25 cents on the dollar to hospitals. Yet, the uninsured pay full price? And, bear the burden of increasing hospital rates to compensate for ever more lucrative contract deals insurance companies make with hospitals? And, more people getting priced out of insurance, as premiums rise as a direct result of this back and forth.

Should a suit and tie decide to effectively sentence someone to death (by denying their cancer treatment) based on that businesses bottom line?

Should a poor person receive free care while I cannot afford health insurance for my family b/c I'm stuck in this (ever-growing) middle ground. Work doesn't offer, can't afford it on my own, don't qualify for any kind of assistance.

Is it ok that upwards of 90% of all hospital bills (research it) have errors on them? And, a large portion of those have egregious errors? i.e. go in for a sprained ankle and come out with a bill for delivering a baby (true story). get billed 28 dollars for a 2 dollar ace bandage for that sprained ankle?

anyways... i'm typing for a mile now... So, I'll stop :) but, those are just a few small examples of the many negative impacts that come from a "for-profit' approach to the health of our citizenry. At the very least, health care should be a non-profit industry, in my opinion. And, again... I'm not even talking about if it should be a right to have free health care or not... Merely that it should be illegal (in my opinion) for companies to profit billions on the life and death of a people. Or, for them to effectively decide who gets to live and die based on their bottom line. I am saying that it should be a given right (in the allegedly most advanced, prosperous, most powerful nation in the world), at a bare minimum for every citizen of this country to have readily available access to *affordable*, *quality* healthcare. This is a very fundamental flaw in our healthcare system from which many of the other problems stem.

Sorry, but the "tea party" seems (at least in terms of how it is being used politically) little more than an extension of an extremist wing of the republican party that has hijacked it for years, and that should have finally been pushed to obsolescence with the results of the last election... but, no one with any balls in that party stepped up to create a fresh voice. Sorry, a fresh-voice the tea-party is not. Folks in the rank and file may have the perspective that it is, but from my perspective... what i hear coming out of the dialog there, and who i see promoting it... same ole...

sorry for the length and the run-on sentences... it's late and this was very stream of consciousness posting :)

Jyna Log

p.s. there is plenty of documentation available of some of the signs people hold up at these tea party rallies that certainly does not paint your tea party holier than thou slant you are claiming...

few examples? 

"Obama's Plan. White Slavery"

"Barack Husein Obama. The new face of Hitler" (with accompanying image of obama's face in a nazi ss uniform, complete with hitler-stache)

"Stand idol while some kenyan tries to destroy America? Homey don't play dat"

"Obama wasn't bowing, he was sucking Saudi Jewels" (complete with cartoon)

"speak for yourself Obama. We are a Christian nation"

"Hey Big Brother. Show us your REAL birth certificate." As if the media fabricated 50 year old newspaper articles documenting his birth, and the government of hawaii was really in on this grand conspiracy.... gimme a break.

"Whoa boys. I'll take it from here" (complete with cartoon of obama waving off gun toting terrorists)

"Slave Owner Taxpayer. Niggar" (can't even spell) 

'Sieg Heil. Hetr Obama"

"wake up america. Your muslim president bowed to his muslim king!"

"We need a christian president"

"obama is the anti-christ"

"impeach obama. aka Hussein"

"obama spends like a woman"

"cap congress and trade obama back to kenya"

"impeach the muslim marxist"

"the anti-christ is living in the whitehouse"

"obama is a destructive, unpatriotic, black muslim"

I could literally go on for hours, I think. The bounty is so plentiful, and readily verifiable if one has even an ounce of research ability, or has actually followed this movement from "the outside" for any length of time... Hardly representative of the picture you paint of a peace-loving, tolerant group of people who would not stand for racism.

Yes... indeed... These signs are all representative of a well-informed group of people speaking out on the issues that our country faces </sarcasm>

Now, I don't use this as a blanket condemnation against all individuals in the tea party or to say that you are all racists (or that you yourself are one)... Only to point out that the picture you paint seems rather one-sided... perhaps you've been drinking the cool-aid yourself? You seem to be blissfully unaware of some of the ranting, hating, racist, intolerant, non-productive, fear-mongering that members of your own party have engaged in for some time now.  You can deny these things if you like, but it only makes you seem more irrelevant (to me, anyways) when you refuse to acknowledge such things are taking place within your party, and pretend as though it is made up of peace-loving, tolerant people with a real message and vision on how to fix america... 

Sorry. but, I don't care what your political views are, or even if you might have teh best ideas to fix this country... when you make signs like the above and say stupid <snip> like above, you've lost all credibility with me. b/c the above does absolutely ZERO to move the dialog forward in any meaningful way. Tea party is the same crap i've been seeing from other folk, and a good example of why i had to stop watching the news.

The above examples of "extremism" within the tea party are abundant enough that I must at least acknowledge it as more than a few fringe people's distorting the message.

p.s. another one you can accuse me of wildness for... but, again, verifiable... some folks like fox news have been found out for exagerrating, and even falsifying in some cases the turnout of some tea party rallies. Even going so far as to pull crowd footage from mccain/palin campaign events and using it in the context of it being a crowd from a tea party rally.

 

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Todd's avatarTodd

@Jyna Log -

You registered on a lottery forum just so you could slam the Tea Party movement?  Amazing.

You must feel incredibly threatened by those "know-nothings".  If they are so stupid and backwards, I wonder why you feel so threatened.  Certainly an "enlightened" person such as yourself would not worry about a few rabble-rousers?

For someone who criticizes the spelling and crassness of a few protest signs, you're like the pot calling the kettle black. The LP system snipped out your curse words.  exagerrating?  teh?

Hope you have a nice Nov. 3.

THRUST's avatarTHRUST

Another DNC informant breaks through...eh? Todd. LOL

Obama is a shadow of what he was as senator. Hope? Change? Nope!  Thumbs Up

Jyna Log

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 15, 2010

@Jyna Log -

You registered on a lottery forum just so you could slam the Tea Party movement?  Amazing.

You must feel incredibly threatened by those "know-nothings".  If they are so stupid and backwards, I wonder why you feel so threatened.  Certainly an "enlightened" person such as yourself would not worry about a few rabble-rousers?

For someone who criticizes the spelling and crassness of a few protest signs, you're like the pot calling the kettle black. The LP system snipped out your curse words.  exagerrating?  teh?

Hope you have a nice Nov. 3.

good job on putting words in my mouth and spending your time going after me and typos  in a 3 am post. rather than addressing any points raised... kinda proves the point... more interested in namecalling than looking at issues.... bravo, sir.

I find it funny that on a lottery forum so many people in here constantly fill threads with political discussions, and namecalling, etc... yet if someone offers a counter...

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Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 15, 2010

good job on putting words in my mouth and spending your time going after me and typos  in a 3 am post. rather than addressing any points raised... kinda proves the point... more interested in namecalling than looking at issues.... bravo, sir.

I find it funny that on a lottery forum so many people in here constantly fill threads with political discussions, and namecalling, etc... yet if someone offers a counter...

HA HA!  In order to address your so called points, one would need several hours.  Let's face it, not worth wasting hours of your life debating against someone on a lottery forum...especially when that someone registered for the sole purpose of arguing.

I also wish you a happy Nov. 3rd :)

GASMETERGUY

Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 15, 2010

p.s. there is plenty of documentation available of some of the signs people hold up at these tea party rallies that certainly does not paint your tea party holier than thou slant you are claiming...

few examples? 

"Obama's Plan. White Slavery"

"Barack Husein Obama. The new face of Hitler" (with accompanying image of obama's face in a nazi ss uniform, complete with hitler-stache)

"Stand idol while some kenyan tries to destroy America? Homey don't play dat"

"Obama wasn't bowing, he was sucking Saudi Jewels" (complete with cartoon)

"speak for yourself Obama. We are a Christian nation"

"Hey Big Brother. Show us your REAL birth certificate." As if the media fabricated 50 year old newspaper articles documenting his birth, and the government of hawaii was really in on this grand conspiracy.... gimme a break.

"Whoa boys. I'll take it from here" (complete with cartoon of obama waving off gun toting terrorists)

"Slave Owner Taxpayer. Niggar" (can't even spell) 

'Sieg Heil. Hetr Obama"

"wake up america. Your muslim president bowed to his muslim king!"

"We need a christian president"

"obama is the anti-christ"

"impeach obama. aka Hussein"

"obama spends like a woman"

"cap congress and trade obama back to kenya"

"impeach the muslim marxist"

"the anti-christ is living in the whitehouse"

"obama is a destructive, unpatriotic, black muslim"

I could literally go on for hours, I think. The bounty is so plentiful, and readily verifiable if one has even an ounce of research ability, or has actually followed this movement from "the outside" for any length of time... Hardly representative of the picture you paint of a peace-loving, tolerant group of people who would not stand for racism.

Yes... indeed... These signs are all representative of a well-informed group of people speaking out on the issues that our country faces </sarcasm>

Now, I don't use this as a blanket condemnation against all individuals in the tea party or to say that you are all racists (or that you yourself are one)... Only to point out that the picture you paint seems rather one-sided... perhaps you've been drinking the cool-aid yourself? You seem to be blissfully unaware of some of the ranting, hating, racist, intolerant, non-productive, fear-mongering that members of your own party have engaged in for some time now.  You can deny these things if you like, but it only makes you seem more irrelevant (to me, anyways) when you refuse to acknowledge such things are taking place within your party, and pretend as though it is made up of peace-loving, tolerant people with a real message and vision on how to fix america... 

Sorry. but, I don't care what your political views are, or even if you might have teh best ideas to fix this country... when you make signs like the above and say stupid <snip> like above, you've lost all credibility with me. b/c the above does absolutely ZERO to move the dialog forward in any meaningful way. Tea party is the same crap i've been seeing from other folk, and a good example of why i had to stop watching the news.

The above examples of "extremism" within the tea party are abundant enough that I must at least acknowledge it as more than a few fringe people's distorting the message.

p.s. another one you can accuse me of wildness for... but, again, verifiable... some folks like fox news have been found out for exagerrating, and even falsifying in some cases the turnout of some tea party rallies. Even going so far as to pull crowd footage from mccain/palin campaign events and using it in the context of it being a crowd from a tea party rally.

 

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Gee, one would think with all these racist, insulting, signs proliferating the TEA party events, CNN, ABC, MSNBC would be showing them 24/7.  I wonder why these networks are not showing them?  Could the reason be these signs and slogans do not exist?  Or perhaps they exist only in the minds of the Kool-Aid drinkers.  Or perhaps they exist only in your mind.

I attended the TEA party event in Nashville.  The only signs I saw referenced the out of control spending in Washington, D.C.  (Disclaimer:  I did not see all the signs that were displayed; only those sings around me which was about half of all there were.)  Please post the link to these signs.  I, for one, would love to see if they really exist.

luckyjim

well if people can't see what's going on in this country they are blind to the fact,. wake up people and vote these people out, we can't let this mess fall on our kids and grandkids.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 15, 2010

[quote]We now have a President and Congress that repeatedly go against the will of the people. All polls show that the American people are overwhelmingly opposed to virtually everything our President and Congress are doing. They know we are against it but they defy us and go ahead and do it anyway.[/quote]

This sounds like Deja Vu from the previous administration, yet I didn't hear any "tea party'ers" screaming and yelling and calling people communists then, or protesting record spending, record defecits, etc, etc, etc... Where was the "tea party" then? Where was the "tea party" when under the watch of an allegedly "conservative' administration we went from a budget surplus and 5 trillion dollar national debt to a trillion dollar budget deficit and greater than 10 trillion dollar national debt in less than a decade? You can blame "the other guys" if you want.. But, like Bush said (and Obama claimed for himself as well) "The Buck Stops Here." And, your guys (not that the bush admin was 'your guys') are just as guilty of all the same things you accuse the 'other guys' of now, or blame for the current economic woes.

[quote]I can tell you from experience as a Tea Party member that those claims are all lies. I attend Tea Party rallies and events and I participated in the two 9/12 Taxpayer Marches on Washington DC with these people. They are the nicest, friendliest, most decent people you will ever meet. I have never witnessed any racism or hate or violence at any Tea Party event and if I did, I wouldn't belong to it..[/quote]

www dot huffingtonpost dot com /2010/03/20/tea-party-protests-nier-f_n_507116

Something tells me your response to this won't be to cancel your membership with the Tea Party... but, rather more namecalling, "liberal bias blog", "perfect example of communist idiot sheep just believing what they hear", etc, etc... As opposed to acknowledging that this (and a notable and growing number of other incidents) is a documentable, verifiable incident occurring at a "tea party protest". That's not to say that all tea party'ers are racist, evil, scum.... No... that would be about as absurd as you claiming that they are all the "nicest, friendliest, most decent people you will ever meet." ! 

In fact, (if i may) I find much of what you say to come across as hypocritical and contradictory... You yourself have done little more than call names, insult, condescend, and make blanket accusations against entire demographics of people and against anyone who doesn't fit your particular alignment. In fact, your comments are largely little more than intellectually dishonest debate tactics that do nothing to actually address important issues or inform me of the "tea party" way that is going to fix all of our problems. I don't need to hear more name-calling. I don't need to hear vague talking points and ideological "sound goods". Such is already the accepted norm in political discourse these days.

And, from my perspective (as an unaffiliated, registered voter), I see people more hell-bent on choosing and vigorously defending alignment with the same hypocrisy by "repeating" over and over the same hollow talking points from (pick your party's propaganda machine) that are weak on substance and the offering of any actual solutions to our most pressing issues; but big on fear-mongering, hate speech, and the promoting of vague premises that offer little input in the realm of productive and useful dialog. You can't accuse people of being ignorant, and namecalling, when you yourself have just filled an entire post with little more than just that. A post full of intellectually dishonest debate tactics (primarily namecalling, and attacking of individuals rather than appropriately addressing the issues), and light on substance or anything more than a vague ideological stance without supporting ideas of how to actually address and fix issues. 

[quote]But we seem to have a couple people here who base their opinions on what they've heard on the leftwing hate blogs and from their "leaders". They seem to enjoy spreading gossip and rumors and lies without any evidence, documentation or firsthand experience. They should be ashamed of themselves.[/quote]

And, a counter example being the very prominent political figures and pundits who have (and some still continue to) vigorously promoted the spread of completely factless accusations about (i.e.) a president of the united states (rather than offering actual alternative solutions to *issues*), such as the factually defunct claims of his alleged muslim religious alignment (a *factoid* that roughly 20% of the american public believes to be true... speaking of just believing whatever you hear...), or the - equally devoid of any factually supportive evidence - claims against his birthplace. People who are staunch supporters of the tea party... dare I say spokesperson(s)- some of them. People who organize and promote tea party rallies on their highly visible cable and radio shows, making such wild claims without any actual evidence (on national television... with a straight face... to millions of people... who seem to just accept it all as fact, ironically enough). People who make hateful and counter-productive, comments such as (paraphrase) "our president has a deep seated hatred for white people/white culture" and "this guy is a racist"... So, I can certainly see where accusations of racial ignorance/insensitivity (at least) towards the tea party come from when one of your spokespersons spreads such useless drivel... 

This is just (to use a cliche) more of the same. People more interested in choosing sides, and repeating talking points that "sound good", without any independent investigation on their part, or (seemingly) any real desire to be informed about actual issues and possible solutions... pretty much what you spent your entire post accusing "the other side" of. Same ole, same ole... I don't need another party to get that crap. There are already plenty of parties using the same M.O.

My own personal perception of the "tea party movement" on the whole is a lot of misguided hostility. a lot of talk about what is wrong, and not a lot of alternative solutions. It all sounds good on the surface, but I'm not hearing any real substance. I do see a lot of "business as usual" though... just with a different name.

And, if I may... on the topic of big government vs. small government (since that is another re-hashed common talking point of the Tea Party)... It seems to me, that this is not the valid discussion to be had.. The valid discussion is not the size of the government (in my opinion), but the effectiveness, and efficiency of the Government. I don't care how big or small it is. I care if it is effective and how efficient it is. It is currently neither. And, this is just a continuation of a trend that did not start with Obama. And, the ratcheting of the hate-speech, fear-mongering, name-calling, etc from all party lines is NOT doing anything to address the issue. Neither are claims that (while they may sound good on the surface) "our problem is one of big government". NO. Sorry. It's one of ineffective government. b/c the pubs, the dems, the tea party... you are all the same, in my opinion. Big talk. no solution. Motives that don't wash with what gets put out on the surface... Either by the propaganda machine, or by people unknowingly being puppet-ed for ulterior motives beyond their sphere of awareness.

p.s. Apparently bbcode doesn't work here... how do you wrap text with quote tags here? :)

As an aside.. since i'm on the topic and don't have too many people to talk politics with :)

On healthcare... Now, I'm not necessarily in favor of "universal free health care" for this country at this time (though, in an ideal world, I have absolutely no problem with it) but that is b/c it is a far more complex issue than private or public, imo.. And, unfortunately.. again I didn't see any real alternatives being offered up to what was being pushed through by the party voted into power. I saw a lot of kicking and screaming. more fear-mongering. and a lot of "no, no, no"... with the opposing party seemingly offering up their stance on (the very serious issue of) healthcare as being they either had no ideas, or didn't think it needing of any major reform. At least (in this case) I can applaud Obama for undertaking a big issue that needs to be addressed... regardless of what the outcome may be.

Healthcare in this country is a major, major problem... if someone doesn't recognize it as such, well... lucky them, I guess. But, fewer and fewer people fit that mold...

I pose this question. (I feel that the health and education of a society are pretty much the two most important things in creating a sustainable, prosperous people. No one screams socialism about free public education, yet on the issue of our health (which I think any reasonable mind must concede is as vital to a societies long-term success as education is) it becomes "socialist", "gov't takeover", etc... I don't get that. Again... I just hear fear-mongering, not an actual introspective look at the status of our nations health care, and what can be done to fix it, but namecalling and getting people riled up with bumper sticker taglines.

Anyways... here is the question I pose. Do you not find it morally criminal that the health care industry is a for-profit endeavor? (I'm not talking about it being free... I'm talking about it being a "For Profit' industry). I personally find it rather offensive for the health and well-being of an individual or society as a whole to be determinate upon some businesses bottom line. Billions of dollars in advertising each year for the latest wonder drug. uninsured continuing to be priced out due to the constant back and forth between hospital rates and insurance premiums, brought on by bidding wars that afford the insurance companies the privilege of paying only a percentage of the billed amount... multi-billion dollar insurance companies paying as little as 25 cents on the dollar to hospitals. Yet, the uninsured pay full price? And, bear the burden of increasing hospital rates to compensate for ever more lucrative contract deals insurance companies make with hospitals? And, more people getting priced out of insurance, as premiums rise as a direct result of this back and forth.

Should a suit and tie decide to effectively sentence someone to death (by denying their cancer treatment) based on that businesses bottom line?

Should a poor person receive free care while I cannot afford health insurance for my family b/c I'm stuck in this (ever-growing) middle ground. Work doesn't offer, can't afford it on my own, don't qualify for any kind of assistance.

Is it ok that upwards of 90% of all hospital bills (research it) have errors on them? And, a large portion of those have egregious errors? i.e. go in for a sprained ankle and come out with a bill for delivering a baby (true story). get billed 28 dollars for a 2 dollar ace bandage for that sprained ankle?

anyways... i'm typing for a mile now... So, I'll stop :) but, those are just a few small examples of the many negative impacts that come from a "for-profit' approach to the health of our citizenry. At the very least, health care should be a non-profit industry, in my opinion. And, again... I'm not even talking about if it should be a right to have free health care or not... Merely that it should be illegal (in my opinion) for companies to profit billions on the life and death of a people. Or, for them to effectively decide who gets to live and die based on their bottom line. I am saying that it should be a given right (in the allegedly most advanced, prosperous, most powerful nation in the world), at a bare minimum for every citizen of this country to have readily available access to *affordable*, *quality* healthcare. This is a very fundamental flaw in our healthcare system from which many of the other problems stem.

Sorry, but the "tea party" seems (at least in terms of how it is being used politically) little more than an extension of an extremist wing of the republican party that has hijacked it for years, and that should have finally been pushed to obsolescence with the results of the last election... but, no one with any balls in that party stepped up to create a fresh voice. Sorry, a fresh-voice the tea-party is not. Folks in the rank and file may have the perspective that it is, but from my perspective... what i hear coming out of the dialog there, and who i see promoting it... same ole...

sorry for the length and the run-on sentences... it's late and this was very stream of consciousness posting :)

Wow, how did I miss this?

A new wacko with more bile straight from the left-wing hate-blogs.

Most likely a young college kid, freshly brainwashed by his or her college professors (I just skimmed lightly as I'm half in the bag and my eyes are beginning to cross) who uses the huffington post to reference as if it were somehow connected to reality or taken seriously in any quarter other than in his or her own mind.

"...as an unaffiliated, registered voter..." (italics mine)  Ah yes, that's rich. And oh so believable!

"...this was very stream of consciousness posting"    Now dude (or dudette), that was just downright gnarly! Far out!

It would be my distinct pleasure to de-program you and wean you from the left-wing Kool-Aid, provided I can sober up and see straight by tomorrow (later today, actually).

I guess I may be celebrating November 2nd a little early, ya think?

Now, I may have to completely deconstruct you based on the length of time and depth of your exposure to the lies and deceit of the left. If it was total immersion for a number of years in a liberal college it may take some time before you're willing to come to accept the truth. Some never do.

But I'm willing to try.

God help us.

We might even become friends, in which case you could visit my mountain holler and learn how to chainsaw trees and shoot junk cars and trucks in my front yard. Have you ever shot road signs with a 12 gauge shotgun while hangin out the window of a pickup truck doin 90 miles an hour down a winding mountain backroad? Practice yellin YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! as loud as ya can, just in case.

I'll show ya how to have some fun son.

Delta Draw

Ah yes, November 3, 2010 full of upsets and surprises!

We went from a Republic to a Democracy (you hear our country described as one from both sides of the isle) and the natural progression is an Oligarchy.

That means one of the two parties will not only fail, it will be outlawed. New order will emerge.

Since the left does not have bile blasters like Limbaugh & Rove, the chances are good the right will rule the Oligarchy. Then all someone has to do is cry “Liberal!” and you’re a target. Heck, Limbaugh years ago said Liberals should be hunted down like the Al qadia! We are so close,…… Being a moderate is now a bad thing if your a conservative!

Each election brings us closer.

DD

 

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Oct 26, 2010

Ah yes, November 3, 2010 full of upsets and surprises!

We went from a Republic to a Democracy (you hear our country described as one from both sides of the isle) and the natural progression is an Oligarchy.

That means one of the two parties will not only fail, it will be outlawed. New order will emerge.

Since the left does not have bile blasters like Limbaugh & Rove, the chances are good the right will rule the Oligarchy. Then all someone has to do is cry “Liberal!” and you’re a target. Heck, Limbaugh years ago said Liberals should be hunted down like the Al qadia! We are so close,…… Being a moderate is now a bad thing if your a conservative!

Each election brings us closer.

DD

 

You obviously are not aware that we have neither a Democracy nor a Republic.  In the United States we have what is called a Democratic Republic.

The last formal Democracy, as far as I know, was in ancient Greece.  That would be unworkable in a country the size of the United States.

The other reason that we are not a Democracy is that the founders always intended that the majority of power reside within the states, not within the federal government -- which was purposely limited in power by the Constitution.  A democracy would bypass the power of the states, and give people in more populous states more power than those in less populous states.

In a Democratic Republic, we elect local representatives who travel to the capitol to vote on our behalf.

Your other comments sound like you have been lurking part-time on some of the various conspiracy forums on the Internet.

Your remarks about conservatives and liberals are backwards and ill-informed.  In case you didn't notice, it is when the progressives (i.e., socialists) are in charge when the government grows large and out of control.  Conservatives want a smaller, less powerful central government -- less capable of destroying the foundation of our country.

These are facts, which undoubtedly will force you to commit additional hours of lengthy diatribe in order to post more unconnected random throughts.

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Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Oct 26, 2010

Ah yes, November 3, 2010 full of upsets and surprises!

We went from a Republic to a Democracy (you hear our country described as one from both sides of the isle) and the natural progression is an Oligarchy.

That means one of the two parties will not only fail, it will be outlawed. New order will emerge.

Since the left does not have bile blasters like Limbaugh & Rove, the chances are good the right will rule the Oligarchy. Then all someone has to do is cry “Liberal!” and you’re a target. Heck, Limbaugh years ago said Liberals should be hunted down like the Al qadia! We are so close,…… Being a moderate is now a bad thing if your a conservative!

Each election brings us closer.

DD

 

Uh-oh, did somebody have tee many martoonies last night?

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 26, 2010

You obviously are not aware that we have neither a Democracy nor a Republic.  In the United States we have what is called a Democratic Republic.

The last formal Democracy, as far as I know, was in ancient Greece.  That would be unworkable in a country the size of the United States.

The other reason that we are not a Democracy is that the founders always intended that the majority of power reside within the states, not within the federal government -- which was purposely limited in power by the Constitution.  A democracy would bypass the power of the states, and give people in more populous states more power than those in less populous states.

In a Democratic Republic, we elect local representatives who travel to the capitol to vote on our behalf.

Your other comments sound like you have been lurking part-time on some of the various conspiracy forums on the Internet.

Your remarks about conservatives and liberals are backwards and ill-informed.  In case you didn't notice, it is when the progressives (i.e., socialists) are in charge when the government grows large and out of control.  Conservatives want a smaller, less powerful central government -- less capable of destroying the foundation of our country.

These are facts, which undoubtedly will force you to commit additional hours of lengthy diatribe in order to post more unconnected random throughts.

Die Gedanken Sind Frei! My thoughts are free!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Gedanken_sind_frei

Todd, take a lesson from real news reflectors like Google. They list the headline and the REFERENCE.

I am quite aware we no longer have a republic, we are a democracy,.. there is no in-between.

The YouTube I posted clearly will give the history lesson you need about Rome and our form of Government “A Republic Ma’am, if you can keep it” B. Franklin. But you say otherwise! How quaint it is that rewriting history serves a purpose!

Now you say we were delivered a Democratic-Republic (see how easy it is to slide into that poison idea?). You fail to understand the difference between a Democracy and a Republic and what history says we are supposed to be. Leaning toward a democracy, we now have mob rule in one of two parties simultaneously (the TEA’s are bought lock-stock and barrel by the NEOCONS). I hope you get every penny’s worth of government you desire (guess who is footing the bill?), you will have earned it.

You don’t like where I get my news? Where I take history lessons from? I would rather be independent in my views than to be spoon-fed them by ill-educated editors as yourself. You going to try to influence my vote with your versions of history and news? Sounds like Mob rules. It will soon. Your choice is one of two mobs that have globalist influences from the CFR. Pick your poison.

We are at the democratic progression of a Republic. Is that what you’re trying to say? Take a few minutes and watch the video.

The USA will morf into one ruling class, the provisions for such ‘temporary’ government are in place by law, in the event of some kind of crisis. We have been given away long ago by politicians on both sides of the isle. The provisions suspend our national Constitution, our republic Ma’am. Search is your friend.

You see right and left; the conflict. New order arises out of conflict. It is the motto on our dollar bill. It is the long-term goal and design. You are caught up in the sensationalism of the day, you do not see the greater scope.

I am a Constitutional Moderate who knows the word Democracy does not appear in the Constitution of the US or in the individual state’s constitutions. Ask a new citizen who immigrated here, they are better educated on our Constitution and government than you are. They know the difference as far as you know, and beyond.

Die Gedanken Sind Frei= My thoughts are Free.

DD

Note: the funny looking thing is a black powder horn.

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Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Oct 26, 2010

Die Gedanken Sind Frei! My thoughts are free!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Gedanken_sind_frei

Todd, take a lesson from real news reflectors like Google. They list the headline and the REFERENCE.

I am quite aware we no longer have a republic, we are a democracy,.. there is no in-between.

The YouTube I posted clearly will give the history lesson you need about Rome and our form of Government “A Republic Ma’am, if you can keep it” B. Franklin. But you say otherwise! How quaint it is that rewriting history serves a purpose!

Now you say we were delivered a Democratic-Republic (see how easy it is to slide into that poison idea?). You fail to understand the difference between a Democracy and a Republic and what history says we are supposed to be. Leaning toward a democracy, we now have mob rule in one of two parties simultaneously (the TEA’s are bought lock-stock and barrel by the NEOCONS). I hope you get every penny’s worth of government you desire (guess who is footing the bill?), you will have earned it.

You don’t like where I get my news? Where I take history lessons from? I would rather be independent in my views than to be spoon-fed them by ill-educated editors as yourself. You going to try to influence my vote with your versions of history and news? Sounds like Mob rules. It will soon. Your choice is one of two mobs that have globalist influences from the CFR. Pick your poison.

We are at the democratic progression of a Republic. Is that what you’re trying to say? Take a few minutes and watch the video.

The USA will morf into one ruling class, the provisions for such ‘temporary’ government are in place by law, in the event of some kind of crisis. We have been given away long ago by politicians on both sides of the isle. The provisions suspend our national Constitution, our republic Ma’am. Search is your friend.

You see right and left; the conflict. New order arises out of conflict. It is the motto on our dollar bill. It is the long-term goal and design. You are caught up in the sensationalism of the day, you do not see the greater scope.

I am a Constitutional Moderate who knows the word Democracy does not appear in the Constitution of the US or in the individual state’s constitutions. Ask a new citizen who immigrated here, they are better educated on our Constitution and government than you are. They know the difference as far as you know, and beyond.

Die Gedanken Sind Frei= My thoughts are Free.

DD

Note: the funny looking thing is a black powder horn.

"I am a Constitutional Moderate..."

 

Uh yeah, as if that wasn't apparent.

Most Americans love and live by our Constitution and many have died for it.

And you use it's guarantees to attack it.

You'd be awarded the Key to the City in San Francisco.

Congratulations.

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Pete Seeger? (barf, gag, puke).

Weren't we all annoyed enough by that tree hugging weirdo when they put his commie tripe on the radio?

I mean C'MON! If I had a Hammer?  (barf, gag, puke) Why not the sickle too Vladimir, my comrade?

I loved his Lenin hat and goatee too. That really put the icing on the cake.

I knew you'd come out eventually.

Should we have a coming out party?

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Oct 26, 2010

Die Gedanken Sind Frei! My thoughts are free!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Gedanken_sind_frei

Todd, take a lesson from real news reflectors like Google. They list the headline and the REFERENCE.

I am quite aware we no longer have a republic, we are a democracy,.. there is no in-between.

The YouTube I posted clearly will give the history lesson you need about Rome and our form of Government “A Republic Ma’am, if you can keep it” B. Franklin. But you say otherwise! How quaint it is that rewriting history serves a purpose!

Now you say we were delivered a Democratic-Republic (see how easy it is to slide into that poison idea?). You fail to understand the difference between a Democracy and a Republic and what history says we are supposed to be. Leaning toward a democracy, we now have mob rule in one of two parties simultaneously (the TEA’s are bought lock-stock and barrel by the NEOCONS). I hope you get every penny’s worth of government you desire (guess who is footing the bill?), you will have earned it.

You don’t like where I get my news? Where I take history lessons from? I would rather be independent in my views than to be spoon-fed them by ill-educated editors as yourself. You going to try to influence my vote with your versions of history and news? Sounds like Mob rules. It will soon. Your choice is one of two mobs that have globalist influences from the CFR. Pick your poison.

We are at the democratic progression of a Republic. Is that what you’re trying to say? Take a few minutes and watch the video.

The USA will morf into one ruling class, the provisions for such ‘temporary’ government are in place by law, in the event of some kind of crisis. We have been given away long ago by politicians on both sides of the isle. The provisions suspend our national Constitution, our republic Ma’am. Search is your friend.

You see right and left; the conflict. New order arises out of conflict. It is the motto on our dollar bill. It is the long-term goal and design. You are caught up in the sensationalism of the day, you do not see the greater scope.

I am a Constitutional Moderate who knows the word Democracy does not appear in the Constitution of the US or in the individual state’s constitutions. Ask a new citizen who immigrated here, they are better educated on our Constitution and government than you are. They know the difference as far as you know, and beyond.

Die Gedanken Sind Frei= My thoughts are Free.

DD

Note: the funny looking thing is a black powder horn.

Sorry, you're not as smart as you think.  We are not a democracy.  That would mean that you and everyone you know personally votes for every local, state, and federal law and measure.

If you don't agree with that concept, then I'm sorry but you need a course in civics, as well as US history.

I correctly predicted that your response would be pompously long, but light in truth and facts.

PERDUE

Sorry to hear that Mr. Render put his name and identity out there for every "crackpot" to see.

He said Render is concerned about "crackpots" coming after him and is guarding his privacy. The phone numbers at Render's home have been disconnected, and he couldn't be reached for comment.

Render didn't tell her that he'd won. She only realized her boss was a millionaire after a local reporter e-mailed her a photo of the winner included in the Georgia Lottery's announcement Friday.

"Yup, that's him," she said.

In the meantime, he was establishing the limited liability corporation, Nichelle Leando LLC., that he would use to cash in the ticket.

Isn't this putting the cart before the horse???

He and his family still have a huge target painted on their backs for every "crackpot" so why bother?

How did the reporter know where to send the email?

Good luck and God protect you and your family Mr. Render.

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Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 15, 2010

p.s. there is plenty of documentation available of some of the signs people hold up at these tea party rallies that certainly does not paint your tea party holier than thou slant you are claiming...

few examples? 

"Obama's Plan. White Slavery"

"Barack Husein Obama. The new face of Hitler" (with accompanying image of obama's face in a nazi ss uniform, complete with hitler-stache)

"Stand idol while some kenyan tries to destroy America? Homey don't play dat"

"Obama wasn't bowing, he was sucking Saudi Jewels" (complete with cartoon)

"speak for yourself Obama. We are a Christian nation"

"Hey Big Brother. Show us your REAL birth certificate." As if the media fabricated 50 year old newspaper articles documenting his birth, and the government of hawaii was really in on this grand conspiracy.... gimme a break.

"Whoa boys. I'll take it from here" (complete with cartoon of obama waving off gun toting terrorists)

"Slave Owner Taxpayer. Niggar" (can't even spell) 

'Sieg Heil. Hetr Obama"

"wake up america. Your muslim president bowed to his muslim king!"

"We need a christian president"

"obama is the anti-christ"

"impeach obama. aka Hussein"

"obama spends like a woman"

"cap congress and trade obama back to kenya"

"impeach the muslim marxist"

"the anti-christ is living in the whitehouse"

"obama is a destructive, unpatriotic, black muslim"

I could literally go on for hours, I think. The bounty is so plentiful, and readily verifiable if one has even an ounce of research ability, or has actually followed this movement from "the outside" for any length of time... Hardly representative of the picture you paint of a peace-loving, tolerant group of people who would not stand for racism.

Yes... indeed... These signs are all representative of a well-informed group of people speaking out on the issues that our country faces </sarcasm>

Now, I don't use this as a blanket condemnation against all individuals in the tea party or to say that you are all racists (or that you yourself are one)... Only to point out that the picture you paint seems rather one-sided... perhaps you've been drinking the cool-aid yourself? You seem to be blissfully unaware of some of the ranting, hating, racist, intolerant, non-productive, fear-mongering that members of your own party have engaged in for some time now.  You can deny these things if you like, but it only makes you seem more irrelevant (to me, anyways) when you refuse to acknowledge such things are taking place within your party, and pretend as though it is made up of peace-loving, tolerant people with a real message and vision on how to fix america... 

Sorry. but, I don't care what your political views are, or even if you might have teh best ideas to fix this country... when you make signs like the above and say stupid <snip> like above, you've lost all credibility with me. b/c the above does absolutely ZERO to move the dialog forward in any meaningful way. Tea party is the same crap i've been seeing from other folk, and a good example of why i had to stop watching the news.

The above examples of "extremism" within the tea party are abundant enough that I must at least acknowledge it as more than a few fringe people's distorting the message.

p.s. another one you can accuse me of wildness for... but, again, verifiable... some folks like fox news have been found out for exagerrating, and even falsifying in some cases the turnout of some tea party rallies. Even going so far as to pull crowd footage from mccain/palin campaign events and using it in the context of it being a crowd from a tea party rally.

 

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Sorry Jyna, I withdraw my offer to deconstruct you.

After reading your posts while reasonably sober, I see it would serve no purpose other than requiring me to rehash and explain what most would consider common knowledge and common sense to someone who's idealism would not hear of it.

Your reasoning and rationale are sophomoric at best and I would be somewhat taken aback to learn that you had attained the majority necessary and required to drink a beer in these United States.

No offense but perhaps another time.

Delta Draw

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 26, 2010

Sorry, you're not as smart as you think.  We are not a democracy.  That would mean that you and everyone you know personally votes for every local, state, and federal law and measure.

If you don't agree with that concept, then I'm sorry but you need a course in civics, as well as US history.

I correctly predicted that your response would be pompously long, but light in truth and facts.

It’s not about being smart Todd, you said “In the United States we have what is called a Democratic Republic.”   It is more about being honest.

How about citing your references to back that up? I cited Ben Franklin and  the constitution of the US and the states.

Which way do you want it? What civics course did you take that teaches otherwise?

Is this your form of fair and balanced reporting? Tell enough lies that eventually people start to believe it? Time and again you distort what is in print, and on the same page! It makes me question what you consider fact and the nature of this site. How reliable are your facts?

Your lesson in global economics is coming home soon. See the Fox video below, it is fair and balanced.

You think you vote on every federal law and measure? So you voted on the bailouts, heck we all did so what is the problem? You are too insane to know what you write.

Going to lock this thread and remove some of the posts because you have ultimate control to do so like you did the other day? Grow up. Find a forum to express and promote your political views and force feed lies to the readers. Subscribers were not informed this is a soap box for your political agendas. Cite Every story you say is news or pay royalties to the sources.

Readers should be given  honesty and truth in reporting with cited references, otherwise it's not trustworthy.

DD

Here you go ridge, and I know since your comments on the news about Oregon’s raffle that you can view it. I used the Pete Seeger vid because it was in English. The message was in the song, Try not to get your panties in a bundle over it.The song has value to any person who is a free thinker. Are you a free thinker or a sock puppet?

Here is one: Ron Paul is a member of the CFR. He knows what is going on. Has he gone rogue or is he tipping his hat?

Either way it does not matter because the crisis demands new order. BTW, I like your McCarthyisms.

Todd's avatarTodd

@delta draw,

No, it's about being smart in this case.  You're posting a you tube video with no relevance to the subject matter.  I have noticed that you basically write lengthy diatribes about topics and points that you want to discuss, whether or not they relate to the matter at hand.

I'm not going to participate in your unknown political philosophy, nor do I frankly want to hear any more about it.  I was simply pointing out your incorrect assertion that the United States has "gone from a Republic to a Democracy".  That is a ludicrous statement, and basically demonstrates that there is little value to the rest of your disconnected and rambling points.

Delta Draw

Todd,

The Youtube is in context if you are a well informed type. There is no such thing as a democratic-republik as you wish to browbeat me with. The first youtube i posted in this thread is all the education you need to stay with the topic, that is unless you want to redefine terms and that is fowl play. Answer me this : DID you vote for the bail-outs?

DD

From page 1, you jumped someone and wrote:

 

I don't consider myself a "member" of the Tea Party movement, but I would consider myself a "Tea Party type", because I believe in smaller government and more individual freedom.  I do also think that I (and lots of other Tea-Party-like folks) are VERY well-informed.  I can also read for myself and comprehend things fairly well.  (If I do say so myself.)

I agree that the person you're quoting mis-understood the concept of the cash value, but taking that mistake and using it to slur all Tea Party-type people as basically stupid morons is unfair and a total non-sequitur.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Oct 27, 2010

Todd,

The Youtube is in context if you are a well informed type. There is no such thing as a democratic-republik as you wish to browbeat me with. The first youtube i posted in this thread is all the education you need to stay with the topic, that is unless you want to redefine terms and that is fowl play. Answer me this : DID you vote for the bail-outs?

DD

From page 1, you jumped someone and wrote:

 

I don't consider myself a "member" of the Tea Party movement, but I would consider myself a "Tea Party type", because I believe in smaller government and more individual freedom.  I do also think that I (and lots of other Tea-Party-like folks) are VERY well-informed.  I can also read for myself and comprehend things fairly well.  (If I do say so myself.)

I agree that the person you're quoting mis-understood the concept of the cash value, but taking that mistake and using it to slur all Tea Party-type people as basically stupid morons is unfair and a total non-sequitur.

Oh my gosh, you're all over the map.  I have no idea what a "democratic-republik" is.  Spelling much?  Just go back and read my previous posts to understand the proper terminology and facts.

No, I did not vote for the bail-outs.  It's funny how you're proving my point about the fact that the United States is not a Democracy.  If it were a pure Democracy, then you, I, and everyone else here would have personally voted on it.  I guess that is too deep of a concept for you.  Maybe you best stick to YouTube videos.

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Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Oct 26, 2010

It’s not about being smart Todd, you said “In the United States we have what is called a Democratic Republic.”   It is more about being honest.

How about citing your references to back that up? I cited Ben Franklin and  the constitution of the US and the states.

Which way do you want it? What civics course did you take that teaches otherwise?

Is this your form of fair and balanced reporting? Tell enough lies that eventually people start to believe it? Time and again you distort what is in print, and on the same page! It makes me question what you consider fact and the nature of this site. How reliable are your facts?

Your lesson in global economics is coming home soon. See the Fox video below, it is fair and balanced.

You think you vote on every federal law and measure? So you voted on the bailouts, heck we all did so what is the problem? You are too insane to know what you write.

Going to lock this thread and remove some of the posts because you have ultimate control to do so like you did the other day? Grow up. Find a forum to express and promote your political views and force feed lies to the readers. Subscribers were not informed this is a soap box for your political agendas. Cite Every story you say is news or pay royalties to the sources.

Readers should be given  honesty and truth in reporting with cited references, otherwise it's not trustworthy.

DD

Here you go ridge, and I know since your comments on the news about Oregon’s raffle that you can view it. I used the Pete Seeger vid because it was in English. The message was in the song, Try not to get your panties in a bundle over it.The song has value to any person who is a free thinker. Are you a free thinker or a sock puppet?

Here is one: Ron Paul is a member of the CFR. He knows what is going on. Has he gone rogue or is he tipping his hat?

Either way it does not matter because the crisis demands new order. BTW, I like your McCarthyisms.

No, I learned there is a way to watch you-tube but it is very time consuming and I certainly wouldn't waste a nanno-second of time to listen to that old communist, Seeger.

But you go ahead and enjoy your moment of communism in the sun since Obama tricked a majority of Americans into voting for him. Yes, it will fail and yes it will be short-lived but at least it provided you the opportunity to come out of the closet and admit what you really are.

Decent, hard working, patriotic Americans are going to show you what they think of your preferred form of government and Obama and his Democrats brief fling with it this coming Tuesday.

Obama's abbreviated experiment with totalitarianism will soon join the Soviet Union on what President Reagan called the Ash Heap of History.

Please pardon my coy smile.

Jyna Log

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 26, 2010

Wow, how did I miss this?

A new wacko with more bile straight from the left-wing hate-blogs.

Most likely a young college kid, freshly brainwashed by his or her college professors (I just skimmed lightly as I'm half in the bag and my eyes are beginning to cross) who uses the huffington post to reference as if it were somehow connected to reality or taken seriously in any quarter other than in his or her own mind.

"...as an unaffiliated, registered voter..." (italics mine)  Ah yes, that's rich. And oh so believable!

"...this was very stream of consciousness posting"    Now dude (or dudette), that was just downright gnarly! Far out!

It would be my distinct pleasure to de-program you and wean you from the left-wing Kool-Aid, provided I can sober up and see straight by tomorrow (later today, actually).

I guess I may be celebrating November 2nd a little early, ya think?

Now, I may have to completely deconstruct you based on the length of time and depth of your exposure to the lies and deceit of the left. If it was total immersion for a number of years in a liberal college it may take some time before you're willing to come to accept the truth. Some never do.

But I'm willing to try.

God help us.

We might even become friends, in which case you could visit my mountain holler and learn how to chainsaw trees and shoot junk cars and trucks in my front yard. Have you ever shot road signs with a 12 gauge shotgun while hangin out the window of a pickup truck doin 90 miles an hour down a winding mountain backroad? Practice yellin YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! as loud as ya can, just in case.

I'll show ya how to have some fun son.

"A new wacko..."

You make such a thoughtful and reasonable point. Thanks, I'll consider it...

Most likely a young college kid, freshly brainwashed by his or her college professors

All about me, huh? Well, since you've never met me, let me let you in on who I really am. I 30 something, small business owning, proud parent of two. And, yes... I am actually a registered voter, and am registered as "unaffiliated". It may be difficult for you to believe, but some people actually prefer to look at the issues on individual merits, and are less interested in picking sides, and drawing lines, and trying to pigeon-hole people with your labels and name-calling.

It would be my distinct pleasure to de-program you and wean you from the left-wing Kool-Aid, provided I can sober up and see straight by tomorrow (later today, actually).

I think this would be a rather impossible task for you, considering you've already got me judged and pigeon-holed about as inaccurately as you possibly could. But, it's cool. I'll be your "left-wing" nut of the day if you like. I'm all about hearing the views of folks who may have had different  paths than my own, but you offer me nothing but more name calling. It's boring, and such an easy path to take. You, sir, seem to be more interested in judging folks, and attacking them with your labels than anything else. I'll pass... 

I guess I may be celebrating November 2nd a little early, ya think?

Actually, I'll be quite happy come election day as well.... b/c no longer will the republican's in D.C be able to do what they have done for the last 2 years... which has been little more than say "no, no, no"... while offering up no alternatives of their own. They've been a party of resistance, and more (as is typical in politics... from all sides) hate and fear-mongering, and attacking people (like you and your cohorts here in this thread) rather than ideas. 

Well, come November 2nd, they'll be in charge, and that <snip> won't fly anymore.... Myself, and everyone else will expect them to produce results. They won't be able to sit with their thumbs in their ears, saying "no, no, no"... they'll actually be expected to offer up some REAL solutions to the very complex issues that we face as a natioin... issues that don't get solved by people name-calling, and auto-labeling anyone with an opposing viewpoint as some sort of "whacko", "nut", or "nazi" or whatever else you might like to call me.

Now, I may have to completely deconstruct you based on the length of time and depth of your exposure to the lies and deceit of the left. If it was total immersion for a number of years in a liberal college it may take some time before you're willing to come to accept the truth. Some never do.

I'm flattered. If you'd actually like to know a little about my past, I'm a military brat. spent much of my youth moving from place to place. I've lived equally in rural areas of the south, and in larger cities around the country. From Florida to Alaska, Washington D.C., po' dunkville Alabama (for 10 years) where I attended a 4 year university (how dare me get an education... nothing but "liberal propaganda", huh?)

I'm still quite young (30 something) but in the last few years I've come to realize some small truth's... One thing we'd likely agree on in a general context (though not a specific one), and that is that most people have such totally skewed perceptions of reality due to the filters through which they consume their information. In the last couple of years, I've taken very deliberate efforts to remove the most blatant of those filters wherever possible. If I want to know about the possible fiscal impact of recent health care legislation, I don't get it from Glenn Beck, or Keith Olbermman, or filtered through any media. I go to source for that information. In this case, it would be the 112 page Congressional Budget Office report that is available for free download via their website. If I want to know (as much as I can) about what was actually in the health care bill, I go to the library of congress, and I download it... and I begin to read. I don't take your word for it, or anyone elses... I prefer to READ it myself... and make up my own mind as to how I feel about it. This is why I choose to be unaffiliated. I choose to make up my own mind (I'm sure this is difficult for you to believe given your pre-programmed, and artfully expressed, bias against me). I choose to be as informed as possible. I choose NOT to pretend to know about things that I do not when discussing issues. I choose NOT to use media outlet talking points as my foundation of knowledge. I choose to make up my own mind, rather than tote some party line on the issues.

We might even become friends

It's possible, though not likely if you aren't even interested in actually knowing me. You seem to have me all figured out already as it is. And, if all you are going to do is call me names and talk down to me, it's also not very likely that I would acknowledge you as a friend, or friendly towards me. I do have quite a diverse (but small) group of friends though. I'd wager they are diverse enough that you won't believe me when I tell you that they include a black muslim, a black trans-gendered person, white christians, white athiests, etc. My children are mixed race, and my spouse is from Indonesia. Perhaps that is difficult for you to fathom... but, not me. People are people. we are not so very different. Our labels are the thing that divides us the most. There is most always a common ground to be found, and a shared experience amongst people. It's our contrast that attracts me to these people, and allows me to explore where those shared experiences might lie once we are free to have a relationship that is not burdened by silly labels such as those you have placed on me... someone who you have exchanged a grand total of one anonymous internet posting with.

 in which case you could visit my mountain holler and learn how to chainsaw trees and shoot junk cars and trucks in my front yard. Have you ever shot road signs with a 12 gauge shotgun while hangin out the window of a pickup truck doin 90 miles an hour down a winding mountain backroad? Practice yellin YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! as loud as ya can, just in case.

I don't own a chainsaw b/c I'm back in the city for the last couple of years... but, my prior residence was a rented, cozy 11 acres in the country, about 15 minutes from a town of 10k people, where I chopped my own firewood... but, I mostly used an axe :) I'm pretty out of shape these days though, so I'd be glad to borrow your chainsaw if you don't mind :) p.s. Can't say I ever shot road signs... I can shoot other things that don't involve law-breaking and vandalism in the process. I am a gun owner. my gun ownership is currently limited to handguns, as it is a more (imo) practical weapon for it's possible (though hopefully never to be faced with the situation) use here in the city. I never really got into hunting, but I always enjoyed shooting guns with my father out at a shooting range, or in the country somewhere. It's a hobby that I've continued to enjoy in my adult life.

p.s. I did get my minivan up to 100... does that count? even if I didn't have my kids in the back and a shotgun hanging out the side of the window?

I'll show ya how to have some fun son.

Should I bring the moonshine? I know someone up in North Georgia... I'll make a pitstop.

p.s. "dad"... I have a father. I'm quite in awe of him and what he has overcome from his childhood, to what he has accomplished in his life as a 30 year retired military veteran, who served two tours in vietnam, As a true war veteran, who was put into a really <snip>ed up situation, and did the job he was tasked with above and beyond. As someone who doesn't talk about or gloat over his war experience, or use it as some sort of political clout. A history that I have pieced together over about 6 years of research, meeting and speaking with his comrades, reading letters he wrote home to my mother (his then fiance), etc, etc.

Though our past has had its rough spots, and we differ politically, something tells me you wouldn't hold a candle to him, nor that you would have any meaningful insight to provide me that he has not already.

Granted... my knowledge of you is limited to a few hate-rants on the internet, but something tells me that I will never look upon you as a father figure. Though, I suppose it should have been a given that "son" was not meant as a term of endearment, or an offer of insight... but rather a slant, and yet another condescending jab at the tail end of a post without substance.

With Kindest Regards,

Your (allegedly) left-wing, liberal, brainwashed, uninformed, whacko "friend"

label me if you must. write me off, and ignore that which does not fit your mold if it makes you feel better.

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Todd's avatarTodd

@Jyna Log:

I would like to take issue with something you've said here, and it is an extension of a wide-spread canard told by liberals.

Conservatives do not get "such totally skewed perceptions of reality due to the filters through which they consume their information."  (That is your quote.)

The Internet is something relatively new, yet conservatives have existed since the country was founded.  In fact, conservatives' beliefs are the same as the founders of this country:  limited federal government, power to the states, and people should keep most of the money they earn, rather than having s socialist government that takes away from one group and gives to another (i.e., class warfare).

Liberals, on the other hand, feel they know better than the men who founded the country.  (Which is obviously delusional.)

Those of us who are not "Gen X" or "Gen Y" formed our political opinions before conservatives even had a voice in the media, and before the Internet.  When I was growing up, liberal media was the ONLY option.  Yet somehow I managed to form an informed and intelligent opinion without "filters through which [I consumed my] information".  100% liberal propaganda, filtered in any which way, is still 100% liberal propaganda.

The conservative ascendancy is certainly helped by the fact that conservative viewpoints finally have a way to get out there.  But more than anything, conservatism is on the rise because since 2006 the country has witnessed what happens when liberals are in charge.

Myself, I clearly remember the disaster of the Carter years, so I did not need a more recent example of a liberal disaster, but I guess much of the country needed a reminder.

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I think this is incredible and indeed a blessing!

I need to receive "the Business Anointing" and unusual supernatural incresae.

I need it NOW!  LOL!

Jyna Log

Sorry Jyna, I withdraw my offer to deconstruct you.

Thank goodness... After reading more of your posts, they seem to have confirmed the fact that you have little to say about issues, and much to do with labeling and namecalling, and engaging in classic, and cliche intellectually dishonest debate tactics. If I actually had to listen to you say some of petty, ignorant, hateful crap you spew on to me in person for long enough, your hate might just rub off on me, as we come to blows. Is this really how you talk to people in the real world? Full of arrogance, names, and hate, and completely lacking in the ability to be respectful to those who do not share your views?

Your reasoning and rationale are sophomoric at best

I suppose that would make your constant use of name-calling, labeling, etc and disrespectful tone the schoolyard equivalent of kids fighting over a shovel in a sandbox.

You claimed that all tea party folks are the most tolerant, well-informed, etc, etc, etc people one would ever meet. I merely challenged that notion. Not to label all tea party'ers as racists and bigots. But, to point out that your assertion was a gross overstatement, and not an accurate reflection of reality. Truth be told, I follow it quite closely, and yes... I find the overall tone coming from the tea party to be one that I largely perceive as hostile. Heavy on rhetoric, and talking points, and weak on substance... Like most political "movements" in this day and age. 

I suppose I didn't need to point out the fact that the tea party is quite obviously NOT lacking in intolerant, disrespectful, hateful people, b/c your posts serve to illustrate that point quite clearly. Do you not see the hypocrisy in claiming that you are part of a movement that should be identified as having the most tolerant people I will ever meet, when your posts are about as far from tolerant and respectful as it gets? And, you've failed to illustrate how "well-informed" on the issues you allegedly are, b/c you seem to be too busy name-calling and being disrespectful to all who do not bask in your glow of self-proclaimed awareness and insight into the "real world". Rather arrogant if you ask me. Definitely not tolerant. and, pretty silly to claim ones own self as wise and knowing. Especially when you've given no illustration of your alleged wisdom. But, have expertly illustrated my point better than my long ass rambling posts.

Though it is clear you do not fit the mold you place on the tea party, I will not assume that all tea party'ers are as disrespectful as you. I am hopeful that I might meet one who is reasonable, well-informed in their conclusions, and with whom I might have a healthy, and productive dialog with in order to gain some *meaningful* insight into how they came to their current position. Not to change minds, but merely to understand and recognize any possible validity in this movement, besides just being pissed off.... at something... and screaming, and calling people names. 

Jyna Log

I would like to take issue with something you've said here, and it is an extension of a wide-spread canard told by liberals.

Conservatives do not get "such totally skewed perceptions of reality due to the filters through which they consume their information."  (That is your quote.)

Firstly, I never said "conservatives have a skewed perception...." I said "most people"... this would include "conservatives", "liberals", "christians", republicans, democrats, etc, etc, etc, etc.

We'll agree to disagree on this point. I don't believe it to be "liberal propaganda" b/c I apply the statement just as readily to "liberals"... Though, I'm referring to folks who actually identify themselves as such. Not anyone who doesn't agree with you, so they are a liberal :).

Reality is, our perceptions are largely formed by the talking points of popular media, who condense complex issues down into talking points, and rarely ever provide (in my view) the supporting arguments that are supposed to go with those "talking points" (well, my opinion anyways, and I acknowledge it as such). Just b/c "conservatism" has been around longer than fox news doesn't really mean much when applied to current reality to me.

I apologize, but most of the people I see calling themselves conservatives these days are anything but in practice. sounds good to say "small government", "low taxes", etc... but, doesn't accomplish much. it's a talking point, and not an accurate reflection on the behavior of "conservatives" i've witnessed in office in recent memory.

Personally, I'd call 2000-2008 to be quite a disaster, but I presume you might not? I have no issue with "conservative principles" on the surface... at least the ones you stated in your post. But, I fail to find a president in recent memory who would fit that bill. The government has continued to expand, even under the watchful eye of so-called conservative presidents. Folks like to talk about how much our current president spends, and I'm left wondering where they were when our government was spending like mad and continuing to expand its influence and reach, even into the business of governing individual morality, under the previous administration? I often see from the conservative side of things something that is clearly not an example of limited government. When you start passing laws telling people what they may or may not do in the privacy of their own home, or telling people that they may not marry and have the same legal rights as you, b/c you have a moral objection to their way of life (even though their way of life has absolutely zero impact on your own). I'm sorry, but that is not limited government. 

So, let's look at Reagan... a conservative? he spent an awful lot of dough, and government under his reign ( like it has under most recent presidencies) expanded pretty dramatically. He's also responsible for the Earned Income Credit. A tax law that "takes from the rich" and "gives to the poor", and probably one of the largest sources of "lost income" (if you will) for the government come tax season. Speaking of socialism. If repealing tax cuts on the wealthy is socialist/communist, then so was Reagan. I'm not calling him one. Just merely pointing out the fact that he, and pretty much every president of the last many decades would be considered socialist, and this country would be as well.... free public education, social security, EIC, Medicare, medicaid, Federal grants for college tuition, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc) We are actually quite "socialist" in several ways. Now, you can say that free public education, and federal grants for continuing education is a bad thing if you like.

Personally (for all it's flaws) I'm grateful that we have a free public education system. (problems with our education system aside, and saved for another discussion :) ) One that my children can take advantage of. If they were raised in my spouses country of origin, this would not be the case. many children there do not attend school beyond a couple of grades b/c it is cost-prohibitive for them to do so(though, I believe they have recently moved to a public education system of sorts as well... at least for the early grades. Just don't quote me on that).

It is also my hope that my children will one day have equal, affordable access to quality health care in this country. I do not think it is sinful to think (free or not aside) that the health of our populace should not be a for-profit industry, as that is ultimately at the root of many of the problems in our health care system as it stands. That's not even going as far as to say that it should be "free". Just to say that whether or not someone lives or dies, gets a treatment or not, etc should be made based on their income bracket, or some billionaire ceo's bottom line.

The 24 hour news cycle created the monster that is "news entertainment" (aka wwe wrestling). FOX News has been enormously successful at capitalizing on that opportunity (from a business perspective). But, just like I haven't drank any "liberal nazi cool-aid", I ain't drinking what they are selling either.

I appreciate your response.

p.s. I still think we should be focusing more on the *effectiveness* of government, rather than it's size. I don't really care if it is big or small. I care that it is effective or not. It is not, and has not been for some time. This is nothing new. And, saying the problem is that it is too big, is a bit too general to begin addressing the actual fundamental issues with how our government functions these days.

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Jynalog,

Listen son, I can understand now why your daddy ain't got much use for you (not that he doesn't love you, I'm sure he does). You just talk too much son. And you got a feminine way of talking. Kinda like a girly-man. No father wants to see his son carrying on like that. You sound like one of them Californy Dancin Boys in the other thread. Just be yourself and drop all the pretentious "sensitive" crappola. It's creepy. That dung might fly in your favorite soap opera but this is the real world now, skippy. Act like a man. 

If you got something to say, just say it, boy! Don't drag it out for 6 paragraphs when you can say it in one sentence. People are having 16 anxiety attacks waiting for you to complete a thought.

And quit lying! Do you really think nobody here is intelligent enough to know your political persuasion based on your rhetoric? Really? 

Do you really think nobody here can spot your worn out talking points and overused cliches?

If I hear " I don't care if government is big or small, I just want it to work." one more time, I swear I'm going to puke. You better tell George Soros and those moveon idiots to get you some new material to recite.

I don't want to hurt your feelings son but I know what your game is and believe me, your game ain't that strong. If you came here to practice for the big leagues, you came to the wrong place.

And let me give you a little advice for your next attempt somewhere else, sonny boy: Don't stress how "unaffiliated" you are and then go on a rant about how 2000-2008 was "quite a disaster"    and then segue into a critique of President Reagan and how terrible he was while tossing little bones of "I have no issues with Conservative principles..."     along the way. It's old, it's lame and it's been done before - a million times. It's easy to spot and it doesn't work anymore.

I say these things only for your own edification. I don't mean to embarrass you, you've done that yourself.

Jyna Log

Listen son, I can understand now why your daddy ain't got much use for you (not that he doesn't love you, I'm sure he does).

You know what? F* you.

Don't accuse me of lying either just so you can pretend to justify your ignorant, hateful attacks.

At least (in my wordiness) I actually attempt to express a thought beyond calling ing names and getting personal. But, I can understand how that is convenient for you. Pretend to be so above it that you don't even have to address it. Just talk down to it and call it names. Yeah, that's a more convincing game... You seem to be capable of little more than seeing how many insults you can fit in one sentence and have it still resemble a complete thought.

If you weren't such a partisan, hate-monger, maybe you'd realize the last 8 years weren't exactly peachy. Doesn't take a flaming liberal to realize that one.

And, I never said anything about Reagan being terrible. Merely pointed out how un-conservative he was when it came to government spending.

--

You are far gone, man. And, I'll be glad when ignorant hate-mongers like you fall by the way side. Pretending to "know someone's game" so you don't have to actually say anything other than nazi, commnist, whacko, liberal , blah, blah. You don't know , and you don't know me. 

There was obviously no point in trying to afford you any level of respect, or engaging in a dialog with you at all... you were right about that.

That work better for you? Guess I could have saved us both the trouble and called you an ignorant hillbilly, bigot, which is what I'm sure you've been waiting for... well you've pushed me to it :) You certainly act like a hateful, bigoted, prick.

I don't mean to embarrass you, you've done that yourself.

ditto... hypocrite.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 31, 2010

Listen son, I can understand now why your daddy ain't got much use for you (not that he doesn't love you, I'm sure he does).

You know what? F* you.

Don't accuse me of lying either just so you can pretend to justify your ignorant, hateful attacks.

At least (in my wordiness) I actually attempt to express a thought beyond calling ing names and getting personal. But, I can understand how that is convenient for you. Pretend to be so above it that you don't even have to address it. Just talk down to it and call it names. Yeah, that's a more convincing game... You seem to be capable of little more than seeing how many insults you can fit in one sentence and have it still resemble a complete thought.

If you weren't such a partisan, hate-monger, maybe you'd realize the last 8 years weren't exactly peachy. Doesn't take a flaming liberal to realize that one.

And, I never said anything about Reagan being terrible. Merely pointed out how un-conservative he was when it came to government spending.

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You are far gone, man. And, I'll be glad when ignorant hate-mongers like you fall by the way side. Pretending to "know someone's game" so you don't have to actually say anything other than nazi, commnist, whacko, liberal , blah, blah. You don't know , and you don't know me. 

There was obviously no point in trying to afford you any level of respect, or engaging in a dialog with you at all... you were right about that.

That work better for you? Guess I could have saved us both the trouble and called you an ignorant hillbilly, bigot, which is what I'm sure you've been waiting for... well you've pushed me to it :) You certainly act like a hateful, bigoted, prick.

I don't mean to embarrass you, you've done that yourself.

ditto... hypocrite.

Wow, when I tell you to stop being pretentious, you really follow orders!

Now we see the real jynalog!

Strategically speaking though, it was a bad move on your part.

But... you're young and have many elections in your future!

You're bound to become viable at some point, I'm sure.

Jyna Log

Now we see the real jynalog!

That's the one I was waiting for... bravo... you picked up on it :)

I have no strategy. I merely attempted to engage in a dialog (obviously a mistake... but, then... I mistook you for being an outspoken member of the "most tolerant, well-informed, etc" group of people that I will ever meet. wherever would I have gotten that idea?). Though your strategy is clear... HATE. You are quite the master at it, sir.

Have fun in your little bubble of hate. You shall be happy to know that I leave this domain to you and your prolific hate-mongering.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 31, 2010

Now we see the real jynalog!

That's the one I was waiting for... bravo... you picked up on it :)

I have no strategy. I merely attempted to engage in a dialog (obviously a mistake... but, then... I mistook you for being an outspoken member of the "most tolerant, well-informed, etc" group of people that I will ever meet. wherever would I have gotten that idea?). Though your strategy is clear... HATE. You are quite the master at it, sir.

Have fun in your little bubble of hate. You shall be happy to know that I leave this domain to you and your prolific hate-mongering.

The poor soul...

He was just too high strung is all...

Todd's avatarTodd

@Jyna Log:  The "problem" with everything you're saying, and the way you're saying it, is that you truly believe your viewpoint is "moderate" or "centrist".

I'd suggest you read a book called "Bias", written by Bernard Goldberg.  He is a former CBS newsman who describes in his book the mindset of the liberal media, and how (and why) it continues to exist that way.

The main thrust is that many -- perhaps most -- people in the mainstream media believe they are "centrist" or "moderate".  Through the prism of the people they associate with, perhaps they are relatively moderate.  But compared to the "average" US citizen, they are far left.

From the large amount of text you have written here, I believe you are probably in the same camp as these liberals who believe themselves to be moderate.  I have no doubt that you truly believe you are taking moderate, independent positions.  There is probably nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.

The people you keep calling conservatives are not.  The Republicans who inhabited the Congress in the mid-2000s were not conservatives.  George Bush, while having many conservative principles, is not a conservative.  He is more of a moderate.  So if you believe the Congress of the mid 2000s and/or George Bush is conservative, maybe that's a good indication of your leftward political persuasion.  As a conservative, I think I'm in a pretty good position to know one when I see one.

Ronald Reagan was the last conservative president.  Another great example of a conservative is Paul Ryan.

Take a look at the following link:  http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/other/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/

See which positions you identify with, they are mostly accurate accountings of liberal and conservative positions.  (I would personally tweak the language of some of them, but they are very close.)

Jyna Log

Hey, Todd... I actually don't identify as a moderate or a centrist... But, I also don't fall easily on one side of the line or not(perception acknowledged... but, it's an interesting point you raise. b/c for me, the perception is that anything left of extreme right often gets labeled as "too liberal", liberal, socialist, etc, etc). I think (in the current climate) many of these labels (conservative, liberal, etc) are counter-productive. b/c it seems to do little more than allow people to label someone as "x" and then shut out anything they have to say. It tends to discourage discourse and common ground in present day climate. People are more concerned about what to call themselves (or others), than they are really looking at the issues

On social issues, I would identify primarily as liberal, however, and I'll make no apologies for saying that if gay people want to get married, it has no impact on me, and that the only argument against it that I have ever heard put forth is a religious moral one... And, that the government should have no role in that beyond the fact that two people are entering into a legally binding contract. That to me, though... is actually kind of "conservative"... keeping the government out of things it doesn't really belong in, in the first place. B/c when they do involve themselves in it, they tend to do silly things (like having a standing law in the constitution until the year 2000 that forbid interracial marriage in my previous state of residence). While the notion that one would support gay marriage may come across as "quacky liberal viewpoint", the movement to apply government resources towards enacting and enforcing what ultimately amounts to a "moral law" seems highly un-conservative, but was a big part of the 2004 get out the vote conservative movement.

I agree with you that those presidents were not "conservative", but they are still primarily identified as such, and conservatives voted for them. I would be curious to hear your thoughts on what made Ronald Reagan a "conservative" in the true sense of the word, in your opinion. I cited government spending during his tenure, as well as the EIC, neither of which (to me) identify as conservative... the latter of which being more accurately identified as "socialist" under the current political "lexicon". I'd also dare to suggest that the whole "war on drugs" of the Reagan era was NOT conservative. It has been a massive government undertaking, both in terms of the use of government resources, and the use of tax payer dollars to fund it, etc. While on the flip side, our television pumps out billions of dollars in ads each year selling us the next new wonder drug approved by the FDA, which is funded by the very companies whose drugs they approve.

anyways. I know some of my views would make some people think I'm too "republican" depending on the topic. Others will have me perceived as a flaming liberal. And, others still (my views on the role and function of religion in present day society for example) would have even most "liberals" plugging their ears :) That's fine... whatever... I don't need to defend myself against name-callers. Only my ideas, and only to be open to other (thoughtfully expressed) ideas.

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Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 31, 2010

Hey, Todd... I actually don't identify as a moderate or a centrist... But, I also don't fall easily on one side of the line or not(perception acknowledged... but, it's an interesting point you raise. b/c for me, the perception is that anything left of extreme right often gets labeled as "too liberal", liberal, socialist, etc, etc). I think (in the current climate) many of these labels (conservative, liberal, etc) are counter-productive. b/c it seems to do little more than allow people to label someone as "x" and then shut out anything they have to say. It tends to discourage discourse and common ground in present day climate. People are more concerned about what to call themselves (or others), than they are really looking at the issues

On social issues, I would identify primarily as liberal, however, and I'll make no apologies for saying that if gay people want to get married, it has no impact on me, and that the only argument against it that I have ever heard put forth is a religious moral one... And, that the government should have no role in that beyond the fact that two people are entering into a legally binding contract. That to me, though... is actually kind of "conservative"... keeping the government out of things it doesn't really belong in, in the first place. B/c when they do involve themselves in it, they tend to do silly things (like having a standing law in the constitution until the year 2000 that forbid interracial marriage in my previous state of residence). While the notion that one would support gay marriage may come across as "quacky liberal viewpoint", the movement to apply government resources towards enacting and enforcing what ultimately amounts to a "moral law" seems highly un-conservative, but was a big part of the 2004 get out the vote conservative movement.

I agree with you that those presidents were not "conservative", but they are still primarily identified as such, and conservatives voted for them. I would be curious to hear your thoughts on what made Ronald Reagan a "conservative" in the true sense of the word, in your opinion. I cited government spending during his tenure, as well as the EIC, neither of which (to me) identify as conservative... the latter of which being more accurately identified as "socialist" under the current political "lexicon". I'd also dare to suggest that the whole "war on drugs" of the Reagan era was NOT conservative. It has been a massive government undertaking, both in terms of the use of government resources, and the use of tax payer dollars to fund it, etc. While on the flip side, our television pumps out billions of dollars in ads each year selling us the next new wonder drug approved by the FDA, which is funded by the very companies whose drugs they approve.

anyways. I know some of my views would make some people think I'm too "republican" depending on the topic. Others will have me perceived as a flaming liberal. And, others still (my views on the role and function of religion in present day society for example) would have even most "liberals" plugging their ears :) That's fine... whatever... I don't need to defend myself against name-callers. Only my ideas, and only to be open to other (thoughtfully expressed) ideas.

"I know some of my views would make some people think I'm too "republican"

 

God help us.

Jyna Log

I'm done talking to you... go forth and spread your hate. I've had enough of a dose...

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Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 31, 2010

I'm done talking to you... go forth and spread your hate. I've had enough of a dose...

The poor soul...

He was just too high strung is all...

Jyna Log

<yawning>

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Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 31, 2010

Hey, Todd... I actually don't identify as a moderate or a centrist... But, I also don't fall easily on one side of the line or not(perception acknowledged... but, it's an interesting point you raise. b/c for me, the perception is that anything left of extreme right often gets labeled as "too liberal", liberal, socialist, etc, etc). I think (in the current climate) many of these labels (conservative, liberal, etc) are counter-productive. b/c it seems to do little more than allow people to label someone as "x" and then shut out anything they have to say. It tends to discourage discourse and common ground in present day climate. People are more concerned about what to call themselves (or others), than they are really looking at the issues

On social issues, I would identify primarily as liberal, however, and I'll make no apologies for saying that if gay people want to get married, it has no impact on me, and that the only argument against it that I have ever heard put forth is a religious moral one... And, that the government should have no role in that beyond the fact that two people are entering into a legally binding contract. That to me, though... is actually kind of "conservative"... keeping the government out of things it doesn't really belong in, in the first place. B/c when they do involve themselves in it, they tend to do silly things (like having a standing law in the constitution until the year 2000 that forbid interracial marriage in my previous state of residence). While the notion that one would support gay marriage may come across as "quacky liberal viewpoint", the movement to apply government resources towards enacting and enforcing what ultimately amounts to a "moral law" seems highly un-conservative, but was a big part of the 2004 get out the vote conservative movement.

I agree with you that those presidents were not "conservative", but they are still primarily identified as such, and conservatives voted for them. I would be curious to hear your thoughts on what made Ronald Reagan a "conservative" in the true sense of the word, in your opinion. I cited government spending during his tenure, as well as the EIC, neither of which (to me) identify as conservative... the latter of which being more accurately identified as "socialist" under the current political "lexicon". I'd also dare to suggest that the whole "war on drugs" of the Reagan era was NOT conservative. It has been a massive government undertaking, both in terms of the use of government resources, and the use of tax payer dollars to fund it, etc. While on the flip side, our television pumps out billions of dollars in ads each year selling us the next new wonder drug approved by the FDA, which is funded by the very companies whose drugs they approve.

anyways. I know some of my views would make some people think I'm too "republican" depending on the topic. Others will have me perceived as a flaming liberal. And, others still (my views on the role and function of religion in present day society for example) would have even most "liberals" plugging their ears :) That's fine... whatever... I don't need to defend myself against name-callers. Only my ideas, and only to be open to other (thoughtfully expressed) ideas.

If you're in your 30s then I'm sure you were too young at the time Reagan was president to remember much.  If you would attribute high spending to Reagan, then you're definitely listening to the wrong people.  Reagan accomplished everything he did with Democrats in charge of the Congress the entire time.  It was an amazing demonstration of true leadership.  Can you imagine Obama pulling something like that off?  He couldn't even do it with his own party controlling Congress with a filibuster-proof majority. 

In order to make it work, Reagan had to make some compromises - particularly with spending, and particularly in his second term, when the economy was humming again.  After all, it is impossible for liberals to see new revenue coming in without inventing new ways to spend it.

Reagan also did everything he did (revive the dead economy, make people proud of this country again, defeat the Soviet Union in the Cold War, etc) without the benefit of the Internet to get his message out, without any non-liberal (biased) media outlets, without e-mail, etc.  When he was in a press conference he was grilled like George W Bush used to get grilled -- with every intent to embarrass him, and no intent to explore the truth of any subject.  Sam Donaldson was one of the biggest jerks doing that, and Helen Thomas was still considered a "journalist" back then.

Just to be clear, you're NOT too Republican, but I must say it sounds like in comparison to the folks you hang out with, you may come off that way.  In other words, if a liberal is standing next to a progressive, I guess the liberal could be considered "moderate" or "non-partisan", or whatever other code words you decide to use there.  But it doesn't make them so, it just means they have some fringe friends.

And OF COURSE a conservative would vote for George W Bush or his dad.  What, would we want John Kerry, Al Gore, or Michael Dukakis in there?  Heck, I even held my nose and voted for Dole when he ran against Clinton.  What do you think a conservative should do in that case?  Not vote?  How unpatriotic would that be?  Don't you consider it your duty to vote?  I sure do.

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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 31, 2010

The poor soul...

He was just too high strung is all...

The sad thing is I think I could have helped him.

Jyna Log

Can you imagine Obama pulling something like that off?  He couldn't even do it with his own party controlling Congress with a filibuster-proof majority. 

Actually, I think it will be interesting to see what will happen. That is typically when the most (albeit still very little) actually gets done. When there is a better balance. What I've witnessed over the last two years was one political party practically requiring a 60 vote filabuster proof majority, b/c nearly every piece of legislation was blocked without it. There has been an awful lot of resistance, and not a lot of action or new ideas to attempt to address our biggest problems. Come November 2nd, that won't fly anymore. Republican's will be in charge, and they will have to make compromises too. not just be a party of resistance. If they continue doing what they've been doing once they re-gain control, then control will swap again.... and we'll rinse and repeat, again, and again... different teams in the lead... same old story.

Don't you consider it your duty to vote?  I sure do.

I do, though I have some pretty serious fundamental issues with the electoral process and framework in this country. Which, I also consider to be a fundamental flaw in our system that contributes to many of the other problems we have with the way our government functions. 

Having said that, you've got to be something really special this election season for me to not write-in "NONE OF THE ABOVE". Now, some may consider that me throwing away my vote. I consider it to be exercising my right to vote in the purest sense of the word, by expressing my distaste with the state of affairs in the political world, as well as with the electoral process in general. maybe if more people wrote in none of the above on election day, Republican's and Democrats might begin to realize that the same ole way of doing things isn't going to fly anymore with the public consciousness. As it stands, the majority of the voting public is firmly on one side of a party line or another, and the rest sway back and forth giving justification by saying they've "voted for the lesser of two evils"... well, I'll choose none of the above instead. I don't buy into the whole, I'm voting for the guy who is less bad argument. That (in my opinion) just helps to illustrate how terribly flawed our electoral process is, and how bad the people in charge really are.

The level of maturity these days on capitol hill is akin to reading "youtube comments'.

peace.

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Quote: Originally posted by Jyna Log on Oct 31, 2010

Can you imagine Obama pulling something like that off?  He couldn't even do it with his own party controlling Congress with a filibuster-proof majority. 

Actually, I think it will be interesting to see what will happen. That is typically when the most (albeit still very little) actually gets done. When there is a better balance. What I've witnessed over the last two years was one political party practically requiring a 60 vote filabuster proof majority, b/c nearly every piece of legislation was blocked without it. There has been an awful lot of resistance, and not a lot of action or new ideas to attempt to address our biggest problems. Come November 2nd, that won't fly anymore. Republican's will be in charge, and they will have to make compromises too. not just be a party of resistance. If they continue doing what they've been doing once they re-gain control, then control will swap again.... and we'll rinse and repeat, again, and again... different teams in the lead... same old story.

Don't you consider it your duty to vote?  I sure do.

I do, though I have some pretty serious fundamental issues with the electoral process and framework in this country. Which, I also consider to be a fundamental flaw in our system that contributes to many of the other problems we have with the way our government functions. 

Having said that, you've got to be something really special this election season for me to not write-in "NONE OF THE ABOVE". Now, some may consider that me throwing away my vote. I consider it to be exercising my right to vote in the purest sense of the word, by expressing my distaste with the state of affairs in the political world, as well as with the electoral process in general. maybe if more people wrote in none of the above on election day, Republican's and Democrats might begin to realize that the same ole way of doing things isn't going to fly anymore with the public consciousness. As it stands, the majority of the voting public is firmly on one side of a party line or another, and the rest sway back and forth giving justification by saying they've "voted for the lesser of two evils"... well, I'll choose none of the above instead. I don't buy into the whole, I'm voting for the guy who is less bad argument. That (in my opinion) just helps to illustrate how terribly flawed our electoral process is, and how bad the people in charge really are.

The level of maturity these days on capitol hill is akin to reading "youtube comments'.

peace.

I just threw up a little in my mouth.

Yeah jyn-jyn, all the Conservatives here are gonna run out and write in "None of the above" with you now.

Because you've made your case so well and we all honestly believe that you're really gonna do that rather than vote straight democrat.

jyn-jyn, for the love of GOD! Do you know how silly you look?

 

"I have some pretty serious issues with the electoral process..." 

Uh, yeah, you and George Soros both. What a shocker!

 

"Republican's will be in charge, and they will have to make compromises too."

Make compromises too?  What the hell does that mean - too?  The democrats never compromised. They owned all three branches and told the Republicans to take a hike. NOW  you want to start compromising? Ha ha ha. Why the hell should the Republicans start compromising now? Just the other day Obama said Republicans have to ride in the back of the bus. That's his "One America" he talked about in his campaign, I guess. He's a liar just like you.

 

The truth is, jyn-jyn, you don't even have a wife and kids like you said. You're a liberal, gay activist (not that there's anything wrong with that) and not a very good one.  You really need to work on your cover story.  I can read you like a book, jyn-jyn. You're a short story and an easy read.

I'm actually embarrassed for you being caught in your lies but I truly wish you the best.

How about we just talk lottery from now on and become friends?

Jyna Log

You are an idiot, and just b/c you pretend to know me better than myself, doesn't make the crap you spew about me true.

keep on attacking. you are good at it. Keep on perfectly illustrating my point that you are little more than someone who has to attack people, and try to defame the person, b/c you are incapable of anything more. intellectually dishonest punk that you are.

This is getting ridiculous... i'm being told by some stranger that I am a liar, don't have kids, am gay, etc, etc? and this is acceptable behavior? there is nothing else to say to you than F* you... you are an of the greatest magnitude. 

 

You can't read sh* , you ignorant hateful fool. I can't believe they let you get away with this bull here....

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