Lottery hoax causes riot at Ohio coat store

Oct 15, 2009, 10:12 am (95 comments)

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Oct. 15, 2009, 1:27 p.m.

COLUMBUS, Ohio — A woman being driven around in a rented limousine pulled up at a coat store and announced she'd won the lottery and would pay for everyone's purchases, police said, but she ended up causing a riot when customers realized it was a hoax.

Angry customers threw merchandise around and looted, leaving the store looking as though a hurricane had passed through it, police said.

Linda Brown was arrested Tuesday after an hours-long shopping spree that began when she hired a stretch Hummer limousine to drop her off at a Burlington Coat Factory store, police Sgt. Lt. Michael Deakins said. Brown walked to a cash register and loudly announced she had won the lottery and would pay for each person's merchandise up to $500, he said.

"Well, of course, people like to hear that," Deakins said. "Apparently they were in line calling relatives who were not at the store and told them to come."

People flooded the registers as cashiers began ringing up purchase after purchase, but Brown had not yet paid the bill, Deakins said. At least 500 people filled the aisles and another 1,000 were outside trying to get in, he said.

"She was telling people she won $1.5 million," Deakins said. "But it ends up she didn't win anything. She had no money to pay for anything."

About an hour later, Brown had the limousine driver take her to a bank to withdraw money, but she returned empty-handed, police Detective Steven Nace said. By then, store employees had called in two dozen police officers to handle the crowds.

Shopper Candace Jordan said she told Brown she didn't need clothes, she needed help paying her rent.

"And she said, 'How much is it?'" Jordan told WBNS-TV. "And she promptly wrote out a check."

By the time employees realized Brown didn't have any cash to pay, police said, she already had taken off in the limo.

That's when angry customers, realizing they weren't getting free coats, began throwing merchandise on the floor and grabbing clothes without paying for them, Nace said.

"Everybody was like, 'I still want my free stuff,' and that started the riot," he said. "It looks like (Hurricane) Katrina went through the store."

Police said they have no way of tracking down the customers who stole items and fled, but they're reviewing surveillance video.

When the limousine driver realized he wasn't going to be paid the $900 Brown owed him for the day's rental, he turned her in to police, Deakins said.

Brown, 44, was arrested on three outstanding warrants for aggravated menacing, misuse of a 911 system and causing false alarms. She was jailed late Wednesday, but no charges had been filed against her related to the coat store chaos pending a mental health evaluation.

Police said they didn't know if Brown had a lawyer. No telephone number was listed under her name, and no one answered repeated phone calls at the Franklin County Jail.

A spokeswoman for Burlington Coat Factory, which is based in Burlington, N.J., and has more than 300 stores across the country, said late Wednesday she couldn't comment on the incident.

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fwlawrence's avatarfwlawrence

She hired a limousine and then went to a Burlington Coat Factory?  That  should tell you something right there!

mymonthlypicks's avatarmymonthlypicks

This is so Funny, True why such a low end coat factory I agree that should of open some eyes.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

It would have been even more insane if she actually had won the 1.5 million.

Giving $500 each to 1500 people would have taken most of her after tax winnings.

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Just goes to show you that you don't have to win a lottery jackpot to experience the foolishness of winning one.

kennedygrandma's avatarkennedygrandma

That is so sad. Some people will fall for anything. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

computerhead723's avatarcomputerhead723

Quote: Originally posted by fwlawrence on Oct 15, 2009

She hired a limousine and then went to a Burlington Coat Factory?  That  should tell you something right there!

wow  people  are  so  gullible  and watch  way  too  much  Television :

just  who  walks  in  a  store  and  tell  everyone  they  hit  the  lottery ?

people  are  STUPID ......Agree with stupid

Litebets27's avatarLitebets27

When I saw this on world news last night I thought, "how psychotic she looked." Did she not think of how much trouble she was getting herself into? But then I thought, maybe she had a dream that was so real, she actual thought she had won. OR She had the actual winning numbers on an old ticket and thought she actually won. OR

SHE WANTED ATTENTION!!

I pray that God helps her through what ever her problem is.

joshuakim

wow, just wow.

CAL-LottoPlayer

"Brown, 44, was arrested on three outstanding warrants for aggravated menacing, misuse of a 911 system and causing false alarms. She was jailed late Wednesday, but no charges had been filed against her related to the coat store chaos pending a mental health evaluation."

It's obvious to me she's not running on all cylinders.  Crazy  This story is so funny.  It's incredible that people would have the nerve to run out of the store with coats they didn't pay for.  Apparently, if someone says they'll pay for your coat and they don't, people still think they can walk out with a coat they didn't pay for. 

BTW, this has happened twice before under similar circumstances:  Two people in different states ran a hoax Craigslist ad saying anyone who showed up at an address could take anything they wanted.  In the first case, the house was in a rural area and people came and cleaned out the house while the owner while still there.  When the owner insisted nothing was being given away, people took things anyway.  When police arrived, they had to chase down people driving away with the owner's possessions.  In the second case, a disgruntled former renter (or relative) ran a Craigslist ad for a vacant house.  Because the owner was not there, people literally took everything including the kitchen sink!

Grovel's avatarGrovel

All I can say is "Wow...".

ThatScaryChick's avatarThatScaryChick

The whole thing is crazy!

Starr920

According to her daughter, the woman is mentally ill and went off her medication. 

 

http://www.breitbart.tv/womans-lie-about-lottery-win-triggers-riot-in-ohio-store/

savagegoose's avatarsavagegoose

LOL such a sense of entitlement, lets loot and wreck someones hard earned business.

 

oh its so funny, but so sad.

MADDOG10's avatarMADDOG10

Quote: Originally posted by Starr920 on Oct 15, 2009

According to her daughter, the woman is mentally ill and went off her medication. 

 

http://www.breitbart.tv/womans-lie-about-lottery-win-triggers-riot-in-ohio-store/

No she didn't, Obama was supposed to write her a stimulas check for her vote, but hasn't gotten around to her, because he's jet setting around the globe with his Obamanites in tow...!

This woman needs help like the rest of this country.

konane's avatarkonane

When anything appears to good to be true ..... it is 99.9% of the time.

GamerMom's avatarGamerMom

Quote: Originally posted by MADDOG10 on Oct 15, 2009

No she didn't, Obama was supposed to write her a stimulas check for her vote, but hasn't gotten around to her, because he's jet setting around the globe with his Obamanites in tow...!

This woman needs help like the rest of this country.

What does Obama have to do with this? Is it because she's black?

Jpuck87

That lady should be put away for a long time for pulling a stunt like that she's lucky that no one got hurt!

jeffrey's avatarjeffrey

Quote: Originally posted by mymonthlypicks on Oct 15, 2009

This is so Funny, True why such a low end coat factory I agree that should of open some eyes.

Wow, kind of hurts my feelings. I have shopped there and the coat I got I use 20 years later.  Easy to spend a lot. I used to live 1 mile from that store and it waconvenient. Lots of desperate and greedy people out there. Funny people think things could actually be free though.BananaGuess we need to sing "Peanut Butter Jelly Time" to cheer up.Banana

ThatScaryChick's avatarThatScaryChick

Quote: Originally posted by mymonthlypicks on Oct 15, 2009

This is so Funny, True why such a low end coat factory I agree that should of open some eyes.

What's wrong with Burlington Coat Factory? I haven't been in one, in over 5 years, but what is so wrong with shopping there? Do you only shop at high-class, Beverly Hills stores?

joshuakim

Quote: Originally posted by GamerMom on Oct 15, 2009

What does Obama have to do with this? Is it because she's black?

seriously you inferred that ^^^^ from his post?

 

i dont think you are in a position to criticize maddogg's post.

joshuakim

Quote: Originally posted by ThatScaryChick on Oct 16, 2009

What's wrong with Burlington Coat Factory? I haven't been in one, in over 5 years, but what is so wrong with shopping there? Do you only shop at high-class, Beverly Hills stores?

i dont think he/she was poking fun at those who shop at Burlington Coat Factory. But the fact that a lottery winner would shop at a place that sells clothes that have been sent to them due to excess inventory, lack of sales and appeal. Hence why he/she said "open your eyes" to those who were tricked by this crazy woman - since things didnt look right from the start.

lady bren's avatarlady bren

LOL''  this was the funniest  joke of all, this woman has dellusion of grandeur. 

  I read this  skit for my daughter and husband and [ LOL]  was thinking the same thing,

how gullible and naive some people are, this lady is crazy, she put her  life in danger  she should

be lock up in the mental institution.  Those people that continue stealing after find out that was a hoax

should  go to prison, they are criminal  World dummiest idiot's.[ LOL LOL LOL]

mjwinsmith's avatarmjwinsmith

Quote: Originally posted by joshuakim on Oct 16, 2009

seriously you inferred that ^^^^ from his post?

 

i dont think you are in a position to criticize maddogg's post.

Why would they not be in a position to criticize Maddogg?

 

The last time I checked this was America, Maddogg has a RIGHT to say what he wants, and people have a RIGHT to criticize or applaud his view.

buttercake's avatarbuttercake

Amazing but stupid

Litebets27's avatarLitebets27

Quote: Originally posted by mymonthlypicks on Oct 15, 2009

This is so Funny, True why such a low end coat factory I agree that should of open some eyes.

It's obvious, those who choose to shop at Burlingtons are price conscious and trying to save money while shopping for their needs. I would thing that going to this story to help people who are obviously trying to save a buck, who can't afford or can only afford to shop there would be the people who can use a helping hand.

And, if she had won that amount of money, the money would have gone along away and helped more people then say helping some hobnob snob at Tiffany's.

BuyLow's avatarBuyLow

Folks.........you just can't make this type shiite up.  This made me ROFLMAO!!!!

lank's avatarlank

Quote: Originally posted by MADDOG10 on Oct 15, 2009

No she didn't, Obama was supposed to write her a stimulas check for her vote, but hasn't gotten around to her, because he's jet setting around the globe with his Obamanites in tow...!

This woman needs help like the rest of this country.

I really would like to know what does he had to do with this.  Do you think that he had to buy votes?Sun Smiley

caipiao

lol, when ppl find she doesn't pay, they probably stampede her to death and the  store owner wants to strangle her

CAL-LottoPlayer

Quote: Originally posted by jeffrey on Oct 16, 2009

Wow, kind of hurts my feelings. I have shopped there and the coat I got I use 20 years later.  Easy to spend a lot. I used to live 1 mile from that store and it waconvenient. Lots of desperate and greedy people out there. Funny people think things could actually be free though.BananaGuess we need to sing "Peanut Butter Jelly Time" to cheer up.Banana

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This is so Funny, True why such a low end coat factory I agree that should of open some eyes."

A long time ago, there was this one little leather coat mall store where they had everything at 25% off.  I was only able to buy one.  I have never found another sale like that for a brown leather bomber jacket.  Very hard to find high quality brown heavy leather bomber jackets on sale, most stores don't carry them or are too expensive.  I doubt even Burlington's has such a sale.

joshuakim

Quote: Originally posted by mjwinsmith on Oct 16, 2009

Why would they not be in a position to criticize Maddogg?

 

The last time I checked this was America, Maddogg has a RIGHT to say what he wants, and people have a RIGHT to criticize or applaud his view.

obviously you didnt comphrehend my post.

the very fact that she deducted nonsensical conclusion from maddogg's post disqualifies her from criticizing maddogg. obviously she has the inherent right to say whatever she wants, but sometimes i like to think that if you are going to say something so fatuous by even slightly accusing someone of being racist than I believe you have already lost the argument and maddogg doenst have to respond to her comment.

Littleoldlady's avatarLittleoldlady

I have never seen a President be blamed for so many things that he has NO CONTROL over.  Stimulus checks?  Blame Bush. People feel now that they have a "right" to them.

As far as the lady goes, she was very wicked and very wild.  I guess she figured may as well go out with a bang or rather I should say riot.

Shopping frugally does not mean that one cannot afford the "best".  It means that they have different priorities.

LckyLary

What is up with Ohio? I wouldn't be surprised if this person is also taking boxing lessons from Elicia Battle!

Anyway, even if I win, I wouldn't be in a limo unless I were going to a funeral!
It would be something like a Jeep Cherokee.

I do need a new coat though...

mjwinsmith's avatarmjwinsmith

Quote: Originally posted by joshuakim on Oct 16, 2009

obviously you didnt comphrehend my post.

the very fact that she deducted nonsensical conclusion from maddogg's post disqualifies her from criticizing maddogg. obviously she has the inherent right to say whatever she wants, but sometimes i like to think that if you are going to say something so fatuous by even slightly accusing someone of being racist than I believe you have already lost the argument and maddogg doenst have to respond to her comment.

It's obvious you drew a conclusion for someone else, my point being that Maddogg and she has a right to say what they want and to debate those points without someone else talking for them.

She had a valid point to ask, and for Maddogg to respond, let Maddogg reply as to what he meant since it was he she asked the question.

Who are you to say she does'nt have the right to question Maddogg or anyone else?

EdAndersonVT

Quote: Originally posted by Littleoldlady on Oct 16, 2009

I have never seen a President be blamed for so many things that he has NO CONTROL over.  Stimulus checks?  Blame Bush. People feel now that they have a "right" to them.

As far as the lady goes, she was very wicked and very wild.  I guess she figured may as well go out with a bang or rather I should say riot.

Shopping frugally does not mean that one cannot afford the "best".  It means that they have different priorities.

I have never seen a President be blamed for so many things as Bush! The lady does need help and so do all those that stole from the business.

PS, People now feel they have a "right" to healthcare thanks to Hillery and Obama!

Littleoldlady's avatarLittleoldlady

I am sorry, I agree with them..they do have a right to reasonable healthcare costs. No one should lose their home because they get sick.

HaveABall's avatarHaveABall

This is VERY frightening, unfunny, and unentertaining!  It is a very expensive theft to Burlington Coat Factory!  It will also be very expensive to clean up after several of the people purposely stepped on and damaged very valuable coats, etc. that were strewn in their path, rather than picking up the item they personally dropped (or the person nearby) to keep it from destruction/damage. 

Consequently, I wonder if this purposely mass theft and vandalization will cause several employees to be laid-off from BCF, and/or if BCF will choose to end its lease and move to a neighborhood that it believes/hopes will be safer to conduct fair business in?  I wonder if any of these thieves will gain the GIFT of remorse and return their stolen items in salable condition?  I wonder if the police department's employees will be able to regain trust or confidence in the human population that lives within a few mile radus of that BCF greately abused store and employees again (I presume that several of BCF's employees -- and probably some police officers -- presant, are going to need fear counseling after this polarized mass theft)?

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GamerMom's avatarGamerMom

Quote: Originally posted by Littleoldlady on Oct 16, 2009

I am sorry, I agree with them..they do have a right to reasonable healthcare costs. No one should lose their home because they get sick.

+1.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Littleoldlady on Oct 16, 2009

I am sorry, I agree with them..they do have a right to reasonable healthcare costs. No one should lose their home because they get sick.

Last time I checked the Constitution I could not find a right to healthcare, let alone cheap healthcare.

No, I really don't think any such right exists, nor should it.

Grovel's avatarGrovel

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 17, 2009

Last time I checked the Constitution I could not find a right to healthcare, let alone cheap healthcare.

No, I really don't think any such right exists, nor should it.

Yes, let's just let the poor people die becuase they can not afford to go to the doctor. It's their fault that they are so poor in the first place.

corius$1918!

I too don't see what President Obama has to with a woman creating chaos with a fake giveaway from the lottery prize.  I;m glad she was apprhended and pray she pays for what she's done.  If she's not mentally fit then I pray she gets the help she needs.  The people who took merchandise shoud be prosecuted as the law allow for theft.

 

 

Whild Healthcare was not a right given to us in the Constitution, there should be options which allows for people to obtain affordable coverage and not have to lose their homes or retirement savings due to a major illness.  I love this country with its faults, freedom also means choices.  So Mandatory Purchase of Plan is uncontinuable.

ADIOS

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Grovel on Oct 17, 2009

Yes, let's just let the poor people die becuase they can not afford to go to the doctor. It's their fault that they are so poor in the first place.

Sorry, but in America that kind of thing doesn't happen.  Emergency rooms are required by law to treat anyone who doesn't have health insurance.

You see, in this country we already have a great health care system in which nobody "dies" (your words) for lack of health insurance.

In other countries with government-run healthcare, like Canada and England, people DO DIE because they either have to wait so long for their procedures, or else the government says they won't get a life-saving drug because they are too old and "not worth it".

People who actually take 5 minutes to learn about the system from someone other than a shill for the Democrat party knows what I'm saying is true.

TheGameGrl's avatarTheGameGrl

Back to topic-

1: Burlington Coat factory or any business that allows large purchases will do so with the credit card pre-approved or the money in hand. This was in part Burlingtons duty to control this antic. That in part was their undoing.

2: I sincerely do think this lady was mentally unstable

Off Topic:

Footnote: True that hospital must save lives, but the reality is: The bill STILL must be paid by the patient who cant afford it! That is where the problem lays. So yes from a person who is a NON Republican I do have research and experience from the revenue to treat a vegabond and the reality that the bill will be absorbed as a loss. Which is NOT good for any business to sustain. SO yes arent americans lucky that ALL can be treated yet only a few can pay.  Gotta Love free enterprise.

LckyLary

-it is amazing how much anger was raised up by one woman's foolish stunt, even spawning a debate on Healthcare. This chaos is caused by people who *didn't* win. Not everyone is as well-educated as we are on this board, and the woman (I am speculating) maybe upset that people were shunning her for whatever reasons, and figured that if she won the Lottery people would suddenly love her. It would have been possible for her to be generous with whatever credit she had by giving *anonymously* to various charities, food banks, etc. There are ways to bless other people and glorify God (isn't that the purpose?) without putting the attention on oneself.

I remember a few years ago I brought a coat to BCF which was in good condition except for a broken zipper, for a donation program. They were rude to me about it and said they only want brand-new coats and only for a limited time and because I was busy I missed the deadline. I put it in Goodwill and have not since returned to BCF.

I don't agree with the wild speculation that BCF would have massive layoffs etc. because of the incident at the Store. Maybe some of those coats will go to the truly needy. Maybe God moves in ways we don't understand. Or maybe people are right and she deserves the electric chair because of the chain reaction she caused that will ultimately unravel spacetime itself.

By the way... if people truly like you  it shouldn't be because you have money. I always say that if and when I win, I will remember those who were there for me when I was poor.

mylollipop's avatarmylollipop

When I first saw this, I thought, oh noooo!  Then I said, how gullible can people be.  How gullible could the cashiers be???!!!!!  When the first coat was rung up, I would have asked for payment then, NO IF ANDS OR BUTS!  The fiasco would have been nipped in the bud, right then!  Greed on all parts.  Store managers and the customers.  I hope the theives get caught.  That was so stupid of them to steal the store merchandise and destroy it.  So what will the next big stunt be.  This lady needs to be made responsible for the limo driver and other stuff she did.  Betcha she would not think her pranks were so funny then. Jester

mylollipop's avatarmylollipop

Quote: Originally posted by CAL-LottoPlayer on Oct 15, 2009

"Brown, 44, was arrested on three outstanding warrants for aggravated menacing, misuse of a 911 system and causing false alarms. She was jailed late Wednesday, but no charges had been filed against her related to the coat store chaos pending a mental health evaluation."

It's obvious to me she's not running on all cylinders.  Crazy  This story is so funny.  It's incredible that people would have the nerve to run out of the store with coats they didn't pay for.  Apparently, if someone says they'll pay for your coat and they don't, people still think they can walk out with a coat they didn't pay for. 

BTW, this has happened twice before under similar circumstances:  Two people in different states ran a hoax Craigslist ad saying anyone who showed up at an address could take anything they wanted.  In the first case, the house was in a rural area and people came and cleaned out the house while the owner while still there.  When the owner insisted nothing was being given away, people took things anyway.  When police arrived, they had to chase down people driving away with the owner's possessions.  In the second case, a disgruntled former renter (or relative) ran a Craigslist ad for a vacant house.  Because the owner was not there, people literally took everything including the kitchen sink!

I remember that incident  . And the man was there for crying out loud.  He needed an oozie to protect his home.  Would the greedy have gotten the point then?  Just oozie shots to the legs; should live to remember what greed can get you into.

mylollipop's avatarmylollipop

Quote: Originally posted by Littleoldlady on Oct 16, 2009

I have never seen a President be blamed for so many things that he has NO CONTROL over.  Stimulus checks?  Blame Bush. People feel now that they have a "right" to them.

As far as the lady goes, she was very wicked and very wild.  I guess she figured may as well go out with a bang or rather I should say riot.

Shopping frugally does not mean that one cannot afford the "best".  It means that they have different priorities.

I Agree!.  I have been off for awhile, but when I read some of these posts, I said to myself.  Is this a POLITICAL site????  If so, I DO NOT NEED it.  I am not here to read opinions regarding political party affiliations or the bashing of one party against the other Argue.  Do Democrats or Republicans oppose the lottery.  Anything else.  Political affiliation and bashing is a not too good of a thing.  You never know when a very powerful person in a party you post against, could be the very person that makes sure that "lotteries" ...well, you get my point.  Whew! Idea  Let me find something else about the LOTTERY!

Dollar419's avatarDollar419

Quote: Originally posted by mylollipop on Oct 18, 2009

I Agree!.  I have been off for awhile, but when I read some of these posts, I said to myself.  Is this a POLITICAL site????  If so, I DO NOT NEED it.  I am not here to read opinions regarding political party affiliations or the bashing of one party against the other Argue.  Do Democrats or Republicans oppose the lottery.  Anything else.  Political affiliation and bashing is a not too good of a thing.  You never know when a very powerful person in a party you post against, could be the very person that makes sure that "lotteries" ...well, you get my point.  Whew! Idea  Let me find something else about the LOTTERY!

I'm in total agreement with you--I thought this is a post for lottery players to discuss THE LOTTERY!!! WinkAt least I thought so...anyway I just read awful article and this is the worst lotto story I have ever read since I joined this post and knowing human nature, it certainly won't be the last.

Grovel's avatarGrovel

Please post one case were some one has died because they have waited in a emergency room in Canada or England.

Here is one where somone died in a US waiting room.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/01/waiting.room.death/index.html

 

That was directed to Todd. I forgot to quote him.

LckyLary

1. It's not about the ER wait as much as rationing, the fear that if there is 1 dose and 2 dying people, who gets the dose? Like we're doing even now with H1N1 vaccines.

2. If everyone stops fighting I'll go to Burlington Coat Factory the next time I win the P3 or P4 box (or otherwise) and buy a new coat being I could use one.

3. I do agree that this stunt would be dangerous and wrong *even if* the person had actually won and wanted to be generous. If someone entered BCF while I was there and said such I would get out of there immediately! Maybe better just to randomly hand out BCF gift certificates and only sparingly at that to not call too much attention.

Littleoldlady's avatarLittleoldlady

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Oct 17, 2009

Sorry, but in America that kind of thing doesn't happen.  Emergency rooms are required by law to treat anyone who doesn't have health insurance.

You see, in this country we already have a great health care system in which nobody "dies" (your words) for lack of health insurance.

In other countries with government-run healthcare, like Canada and England, people DO DIE because they either have to wait so long for their procedures, or else the government says they won't get a life-saving drug because they are too old and "not worth it".

People who actually take 5 minutes to learn about the system from someone other than a shill for the Democrat party knows what I'm saying is true.

I have lived in countries where people didn't have to pay for health care so I know the difference.  No one will believe in health care reform until is is them who losing their property and savings.  Emergency room care is catastrophic care.  And for your information, many emergency rooms now charge on the spot.  The last time I went to one, I had to pay 50 dollars BEFORE they would treat me!  I had insurance. The $50.00 was to help pay for all of the others who don't have health care!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

I believe the question that has to be answered is this: Do we abide by the Constitution or not?

Our Constitution is the law of the land and the foundation of our republic. If we have to abrogate it every time somebody "feels it's not fair" then it serves no purpose.

Other countries have different forms of governance and healthcare and we have ours which has served us well for over 200 years.

It is my personal opinion that people who don't want to accept the constraints of our Constitution should find a country with one more to their liking and go there.

Patriotic Americans show respect for our Constitution and many of us have taken a solemn oath to preserve, protect and defend it.

And we will. By any means necessary. Against enemies both foreign AND domestic.

mjwinsmith's avatarmjwinsmith

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Oct 18, 2009

I believe the question that has to be answered is this: Do we abide by the Constitution or not?

Our Constitution is the law of the land and the foundation of our republic. If we have to abrogate it every time somebody "feels it's not fair" then it serves no purpose.

Other countries have different forms of governance and healthcare and we have ours which has served us well for over 200 years.

It is my personal opinion that people who don't want to accept the constraints of our Constitution should find a country with one more to their liking and go there.

Patriotic Americans show respect for our Constitution and many of us have taken a solemn oath to preserve, protect and defend it.

And we will. By any means necessary. Against enemies both foreign AND domestic.

Let’s talk about your precious Constitution. It once held that certain “People” were only worth 3/5th of an ordinary American (White). That’s not fair, so the people of America amended that part of it so that ALL people would be treated equally. According to you those worth only 3/5th should have kept their mouths shut and accepted the status quo. That’s no country to me, that’s a lie, a sham, and a joke of a Nation supposedly valuing Truth and Justice for all.

 Oh, and by the way one of those 3/5th of a person rose up to become President of the United States, proving just how great this country is despite the past which many on your side of the issues want to return to.

Grovel's avatarGrovel

Well said mjwinsmith. Also to anyone who says to leave the country, if you don't like the way it is working you are free to leave as well.

BuyLow's avatarBuyLow

Quote: Originally posted by mjwinsmith on Oct 18, 2009

Let’s talk about your precious Constitution. It once held that certain “People” were only worth 3/5th of an ordinary American (White). That’s not fair, so the people of America amended that part of it so that ALL people would be treated equally. According to you those worth only 3/5th should have kept their mouths shut and accepted the status quo. That’s no country to me, that’s a lie, a sham, and a joke of a Nation supposedly valuing Truth and Justice for all.

 Oh, and by the way one of those 3/5th of a person rose up to become President of the United States, proving just how great this country is despite the past which many on your side of the issues want to return to.

WOW.  You took a patriotic post and twisted it into something racist.  WTF is wrong with people today? Bang Head

mjwinsmith's avatarmjwinsmith

Quote: Originally posted by BuyLow on Oct 18, 2009

WOW.  You took a patriotic post and twisted it into something racist.  WTF is wrong with people today? Bang Head

You can't stand the Truth can you? What's racist about the truth. The point to note is that the Constitution is not perfect, that's why it gets amended from time time according to the times and to what the PEOPLE want.

God Bless America.

joshuacloak's avatarjoshuacloak

funny story

the issue with free stuff, is more of a major core belief

entitlement,  really?

 

people think they have a  entitlement  to a % of the cash i make,

i refer to ofc  everyone who votes these people in, congress/obama

who then point a gun and say where taking  this much form you! or else

 

the latest entitlement type of people have taken over our govt by their votes

putting in people who really think i should have to pay for other people and their needs and their mistakes!

 

what do i mean by mistakes? i tell you

i don't buy healthcare reform they talk about, 

if someone wants to eat at mcdonalds their whole adult life and trash their body ,

not work out,

not  make sure their getting all the things their body needs form fruit and other nutrition

thats their mistake, they should suffer for it, when they get diseasy  of any kind, they should pay for their own mistakes

the day they need someone else to pay their health care bills, it wont be form me

 

ever thing else is a belief i should support others to these people

 

but make no mistake,  right now, people are more forced on getting free stuff then taking care of them selfs,      when it comes to health vs free stuff

 

how many adults are of sound mind and have a great health, by their own hands/mind

we have more sick people, then healthy people, know why, cease a really healthy person, does the work for them selfs

and the sick people are lazy, or just dumb or something that makes them make countless mistakes towards their health

 

when i need money, or things, i can go out and get it,  by brains or my hands, its no issue to me,

 

here my point

about how crazy these people are, lets use  their logic and say:

 

Dental care is a right!

Wait a sec, you mean i can eat countless candy, not flossing atfer ever meal

kill my teeth, and get it all fixed by your wallet,, SWEET

  see my point, i just look at all of you entitlement people with a face of,  are you mental?????

 

to others needing  handouts, i have no shame in turning them down,  maybe its just me,

but something in my gut kills me inside if i ever have to ask for handouts, and i mean really kills me inside

, its just not the kind of person i am

 

its like am at war with  people who demand these things form others ,  govt is a weapon, and their using this weapon with a ruthless intent to harm my wallet and ever other wallet of anyone who supports them selfs, and just wants to be left alone!

 

if i want to help people, i can, its called a charity,

and the only charity's i support are kid ones, know why, cease am not a heatless jerk, i know kids are not adults and they cant help them selfs sometimes on ever thing,

  teach them how to fish, but dont catch the fish for them kind of helping logic :P

 

 

however if you start a charity that trys to give everyone some kind of health care, you will Fail, why, cease a smart person wont give money to idiots, it wont meet their funding needed

 

hell  i guest i could say the lotto hopes kids also LOL

when they use the line no one forces you to live here,

so hand over the  money or get out if you don't want to pay our demands

am grinning thinking

 i didn't know i was a born part slave to everyone in the united states when i was born here

cease am slave to no one, and whatever i make in life is Mine, not yours

my kids/grindkids if i ever have any, wont be paying for your kids/grandkids healthcare cease they eat junkfood all their lifes , etc

hell i wish all the dumb entitlement people would die off, save me a lot of energy form defending my self and my wallet form them LOL

 

fed your kids right, teach them right and maybe we would not have a Healthcare issue in the first place

 

am all for charity, but govt is not a charity, 

its a evil weapon,    know where my freedoms come form, not form others,  or the govt, they come form my self, i have a a weapon and i use it to defend my self,

know why my home is not being looted right now, cease something bad will happen to them if they try

 

the lotto is the prefact charity at its core,  raise money for whatever

NO one forces me to buy tickets, i buy them cease I WANT TO

i would not need the army, if the people as a whole was allowed to own not just guns, but any weapon on earth,and trust me, this govt would be put in its place if its fear of their lifes is 100x what it is now,    i be like IRS, i got a wmd , do you really want to try and take my money, yup they be put in their place alright.

 

govt not the master,     the people in congress have no power, but what is given them form the people is their power

all power comes form the people, i know for a fact, when i was born , others didn't own a part of my future,    so to me,  the people of the united states, dont have a right to my money, nor can they own any part of what i make, onless i give that right over

 

people can give all their money they want to the govt, am not stoping them

being the must armed pop in the world, is what makes us as free as are,   learn form history,  armless people get inslaved Ever time, and yes i count any loss of freedom as inslaved

if entitlement people had their way, we be helpless sleep , and trust me, form history, i know how entitlement govt ends, in massive debt, and if their using paper money, kiss it goodbye, they will print it to its worthless

 

o wait, we are already in the middle of doing that, great now the money supply it self is going to be destoryed by entitlement people, i just can't get away form these idiots..........

 

i swear the only thing that will protect us form these entitlement people is to get a gun and say  Make me give you free stuff with a gun in their face,

as thats the last defence i see having down the road if we keep going down this path our nation is in

 

/end freedom rant



Grovel's avatarGrovel

Sorry Joshua but I did not read all of your post. But Mcdonald's is not the only reason people get sick. Last time I check a burger did not cause cancer.

 

Don't you think it is a little screwed up then when people get sick, their health insurance decides to drop them? What is the point of having it in the first place?

 

Now if you wanted to tax people who where over weight or smoked cigarettes, I would agree with you.

Wooddrive's avatarWooddrive

sorry Joshua, try a spell check before you post. doesn't make sense at all.

joshuacloak's avatarjoshuacloak

Don't you think it is a little screwed up then when people get sick,their health insurance decides to drop them? What is the point ofhaving it in the first place??

alright, i tell you

 

No i dont

health insurance - KEY WORD insurance

if your in a car crash, and your the ONE THAT MADE IT HAPPEN, you was at fault , HELL YES i would not cover you

 

same thing for health, if a earthquake happens, you get hurt, i cover your ass for all costs,

if  someone  did a hit and run and no one could find the runner, i cover you for all health care costs

 

IF YOU FREAKING SMOKE and get lung cancer., i WILL NOT COVER YOUR ASS,  if you are fat, i will not cover your ass for anything  disease related to food you eat

 

you are what you eat, like it or not, ever thing adds up over time!

, am not going to cover your fat ass for anything food related, lifestyle related

 

if you don't want to live a super healthy life, and put the effort into making sure you dont get any PREVENTABLE diseasy's

then i sure as hell wont cover your ass if i was a insurance COMPANY,

thats why i hate the current laws already on the books,   

and what they are wanting to do to healhcare, and you are the perfect  one proving my point

 

what you are in fact saying, you dont want the insurance company not covering you anymore if you made a mistake, o MY GOD, i should not have to pay for my own mistakes!

 

o and yes, must causes of cancer are diet/lifestyle related, I said must,not all

if you get a insane amount of UV form the sun and get skin cancer, thats sure lifestyle related also LOL

its called wear some uv reflective clothing

people don't ever want to  take the blame for stuff they do to them selfs!

 

100s of years ago, people blamed witchcraft on countless stuff

,  100s of years later , people are sure being stupid, 

  i can point to the countless wars/govts/laws and people getting them self sick to prove it, we are living in the dark ages of human stupid

 

 

their is a great saying, that bears repeating here

You can't fix stupid

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