1 Year. 102 Drawings. 0 Jackpots. Players grumble as Indiana lottery players join Tennessee's in their shared disdain for the computerized drawing system.
Steven Haddix didn't cross his fingers or grasp a lucky rabbit's foot after buying tickets Tuesday for tonight's Hoosier Lotto drawing.
Instead, the Indianapolis resident expressed mistrust of the Lotto system, which has gone nearly a year without a jackpot payout.
"I'm a little leery of it," he said after his purchase at Dinner Bell Markets. "It just seems odd. They used to hit more often."
Saturday's drawing marked the 102nd consecutive drawing in the Hoosier Lotto without a jackpot winner. The jackpot was hit last on Oct. 21, when Frank and Beverly Rice, Indianapolis, won $5 million.
With no winners in so many weeks, the jackpot will reach a record $51.5 million for tonight's drawing, twice as large as any lottery prize this week and three times larger than any state jackpot.
The probability of no jackpot winner for such a long time is incredibly small, said Steve McKinley, a probability lecturer at Indiana University.
He estimated the odds of no winner for 51 straight weeks to be a fraction of a percent.
State lottery spokesman Andrew Reed said no one's hit the Hoosier Lotto jackpot simply because no one's picked the right numbers.
"The odds are about one in 12 million of being hit, and it depends on the number of tickets sold and it depends on how lucky people are," Reed said.
Over the same period, there have been 17 winners in the larger Powerball game, which is played in 29 states plus Washington, D.C., and the Virgin Islands. The odds of winning Powerball are about one in 146 million.
About $25.3 million in smaller prizes -- for matching two, three, four or five numbers -- has been won since the last jackpot winner, according to the Hoosier Lottery.
Over the past year, sales have varied from 4.2 million tickets sold in November to 12.8 million sold last month, Reed said. Sales have held steady this month: about 3 million tickets each week.
About 53 percent of ticket proceeds goes to prize money, with the rest going to state programs and operating costs, Reed said.
The long stretch with no big winner isn't unheard of, he said. Since the game started in September 1994, 89 players have won the jackpot.
The previous record jackpot of $42 million was set in June 1999, under Hoosier Lotto's former system of using ball machines to randomly select numbers. The lottery switched to computer-generated numbers in December 2001, while Powerball continues to use ball machines.
Winning Lotto numbers are selected on Wednesday and Saturday evenings by the lottery's computer system, Reed said.
Some customers buying tickets at Dinner Bell Markets, 2835 S. Shelby St., said they think the computer system makes winning difficult.
"It just makes it a little harder to hit," said David Bradley, 58. "That's probably why it's been so long."
Several players have complained about the computerized system, store manager Millie Johnston said. "There's been a lot of remarks made about that."
Reed said the computer system randomly generates numbers, with each drawing independent from all others. The equipment was approved by Gaming Laboratories International, which oversees lotteries and casinos worldwide.
Since the system was installed, 33 people have won the jackpot. In 2006, there were seven jackpot winners.
The jackpot increases by $500,000 for each drawing that no one wins.
This amount is not set to change, Reed said, despite the fact that the agency has sold about 90 million of the $1 tickets since the last jackpot winner.
Other customers said they would continue to play regardless of how long the game has gone without a winner.
"I don't even think about it, really," said Gloria Baldwin, 63, Indianapolis. "Just no one's been lucky."
Try your luck
Odds of winning the Hoosier Lotto jackpot: 1 in 12,271,512.
Number of twice-weekly drawings without a winner: 102.
Odds of going so long without a winner: A minuscule fraction of a percent, says Steve McKinley, a lecturer in probability at Indiana University.
Two previous jackpot winners
Oct. 21, 2006: Frank and Beverly Rice, Indianapolis, purchased a $5 million ticket at United Package Liquors, 5510 Emerson Way.
Sept. 16, 2006: The Stewardship Revocable Trust purchased an $11 million ticket at a Village Pantry in Bloomington.
Fewer than 1 per month
Thirty-three people have won the Hoosier Lotto jackpot since Dec. 5, 2001, when the organization switched to computer-generated winning numbers. Here is the number of winners per year:
I, for one, am really glad to see this issue raised again in Indiana. There has already been one attempt to legislate computerized drawings out of existence there, maybe (hopefully!) this will spark another attempt. I hope it also gets notice in Tennessee, where the oversight meeting is just a couple of weeks away.
the lotto in my state of indiana is doing something dirty with this constant not hitting on the jackpot but ima just play my tickets and pray for the best
Im glad someone finally put a percentage on the likelihood of this happening at well below one percent. If Tennessee had a computer glitch that didnt allow doubles maybe Indiana has a glitch that doesnt allow the same numbers to be drawn if they were printed on a ticket, hence no doubles either haha. It surpassed the magical 50 million mark, now the year mark might be the magical date this falls. And no money is won when you hit 2 numbers, just a free play that is in itself worth about 20 cents, typical lottery spin.
I, for one, am really glad to see this issue raised again in Indiana. There has already been one attempt to legislate computerized drawings out of existence there, maybe (hopefully!) this will spark another attempt. I hope it also gets notice in Tennessee, where the oversight meeting is just a couple of weeks away.
I completly agree with you on this issue computerized drawings are not good for the players .The benifit is too the Lotterys and their corporate partners ....its a money maker very little payouts and all profit :
laws would push those Corporate Enterprises into a better system a ball draw in the eye of the camera and the citizens of this state:
But like I said before there are many insidences accross the USA where no one has won for over a year ....people dont want to make waves ....(just ask KY Fooled ,he hits all the web sites) case and point the pick 10 NY cash amount for all 10 =500,000.00
with up to 10 winners per draw ....number of winners for all ten in the last 5yr =( 2)
and you never know if that winner was not related to the lottery personal ,since it is a draw that is never teleivised;
Quote: Originally posted by computerhead723 on Oct 18, 2007
why dont you write to the Governor or the inspector general of your state ;
tell them you dont want computerized drawings in your state ...its simple and you are paying there wages just like every-other tax payers;
"A journey of a thousand- miles begins with a single step"
FYI-- Everyone has been notified years ago. The day that the bill to eliminate RNG was supposed to be brought up in the Legislature was the day they all walked out---isnt that a coincidence. You plead in vain if u live in Indiana. Rule of law is non existent here. EVERYONE HAS BEEN NOTIFIED! Since the Lottery is now getting scrutiny expect it to be won now. How do I know that? Cause when someone brought up the fact that there had not been quads in so long then the quads came out. There is NOTHING random about it. Just look at the daily game payouts and compare them too ANY State. It is hideously insane. But they are untouchable. Indiana makes Tennessee look like Cinderella.
i'm predicting that the lotto jackpot will be hit this saturday (hopefully by me) it will be the one year anniversary since it was won (actually 364 days but who cares)
Quote: Originally posted by computerhead723 on Oct 18, 2007
I completly agree with you on this issue computerized drawings are not good for the players .The benifit is too the Lotterys and their corporate partners ....its a money maker very little payouts and all profit :
laws would push those Corporate Enterprises into a better system a ball draw in the eye of the camera and the citizens of this state:
But like I said before there are many insidences accross the USA where no one has won for over a year ....people dont want to make waves ....(just ask KY Fooled ,he hits all the web sites) case and point the pick 10 NY cash amount for all 10 =500,000.00
with up to 10 winners per draw ....number of winners for all ten in the last 5yr =( 2)
and you never know if that winner was not related to the lottery personal ,since it is a draw that is never teleivised;
my information was incorrect about the NY pick 10 ..for this year there has been a few more winners ,they dont tell you on the news anything so here is the facts for getting all 10 or the largest payouts ever!!!
Yes that is a long time. But you do have to look at the odds. I mean if the jackpot is really this high and they are only selling about $1.5 million tickets a drawing, that is a lot of uncovered combinations. Now for how long this has been growing the odds are probably pretty small that it would have lasted this long. But odds are odds. I really don't see how it could be a fraction of a percent though. I mean when the jackpot is small it seems like they don't sell many tickets at all.
But by the way the jackpot only grows by $500,000 a drawing? When they are selling $3,000,000 tickets a week the jackpot should be increase by at least $2,000,000 a week not only $1,000,000. But I guess it does make up for the beginning jackpots when I doubt they sell enough tickets to warrant the $500,000 increase.
Ohio's Classic Lotto, a 6/49 game has a starting jackpot of $1M and is increased by $100K each drawing that it's not won. Unlike Hoosier Lotto which offer a free play for matching 2, its lowest prize is $2 for a match3.
Since the Hoosier Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$195K)is higher than Ohio Classic Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$22K), I assume it's attracting more players, however the Ohio game jackpot has been won three times since it started less than a year ago. It's truly is a mystery why the Hoosier Lotto game has gone so long without a jackpot winner.
P.S. Ohio Classic Lotto picks its numbers the old fashion way, it uses a ball machine.
Ohio's Classic Lotto, a 6/49 game has a starting jackpot of $1M and is increased by $100K each drawing that it's not won. Unlike Hoosier Lotto which offer a free play for matching 2, its lowest prize is $2 for a match3.
Since the Hoosier Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$195K)is higher than Ohio Classic Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$22K), I assume it's attracting more players, however the Ohio game jackpot has been won three times since it started less than a year ago. It's truly is a mystery why the Hoosier Lotto game has gone so long without a jackpot winner.
P.S. Ohio Classic Lotto picks its numbers the old fashion way, it uses a ball machine.
A mystery? Hardly. One needs only to look at the 0 straight winners on pic 4 every day and the ridiculously low pic 3 payouts. The mystery becomes obvious.
Quote: Originally posted by LosingJeff on Oct 18, 2007
A mystery? Hardly. One needs only to look at the 0 straight winners on pic 4 every day and the ridiculously low pic 3 payouts. The mystery becomes obvious.
Without knowing the numbers of people playing the pick4 game, that's hard to say. When comparing the Hoosier Lotto game with the Ohio Classic Lotto game, I assumed if the number of payouts were greater than the number or players must be greater too since the both games have similar odds of winning. Judging from the number of smaller payouts(box hits), there's not a lot people playing the pick4 game in Indiana.
I'm not inclined to believe the probability lecturer about this game going this long without a winner only being a fraction of a percent. The spokesman said THIS MONTH, there has been about 3 million tickets each week, but everyone must keep in mind it took time to grow to that number of tickets. 6 months ago, there were a lot less. Also keep in mind 3 million tickets doesn't mean 3 million unique combinations, there are duplicates to consider. Even at 3 million UNIQUE combinations, that's only 24.4% of all possible combinations. After you take into consideration duplicates, you're looking at about 20%, if that. I like to look at cold hard facts. The fact is that mathematically it is possible for this game to go this long without a winner. This just happens to be one of those longer than average roll times for a jackpot game, just like many other jackpot games have on occasion. Of course, people are more quick to say there's something going on because the drawing is computerized. I'm going to say that I currently don't think there's anything going on. Does that mean I never will? Not necessarily. It all depends on the information I come across and how credible I think that information is. Also, regardless of the odds of winning the Hoosier Lotto jackpot are 1 in 12,271,512 and PowerBall's odds 1 in 146,107,962, and regardless of there being more PowerBall jackpots won in the last year than Hoosier Lotto, PowerBall is played in 29 states, so PowerBall's sales numbers are VASTLY larger than Hoosier Lotto's and makes up the difference many times over.
Without knowing the numbers of people playing the pick4 game, that's hard to say. When comparing the Hoosier Lotto game with the Ohio Classic Lotto game, I assumed if the number of payouts were greater than the number or players must be greater too since the both games have similar odds of winning. Judging from the number of smaller payouts(box hits), there's not a lot people playing the pick4 game in Indiana.
Thats exactly what the want you to believe; yet, Indiana has more powerball winners than anyone. You should stop in any store in Indiana and ask the clerks how many people are happy with the Lottery. I was just in the store this morning and hear, "everybody is talking about how screwed up it is". Do you honestly think that sales data is the issue. I think not. I dont care what anyone thinks, a Lottery that has a player population larger than another will have higher amounts of payouts than say a State with 2 million less people. To consistently pay 0 straight winners is an absoultely phoenomena compared to any other State. Maybe you should try to get the sales data from them---Good luck! FOI act is worthless here. With the consciousness level of mankind rising, any deceit or corruption that would or has possibly existed will be exposed. Maybe I should mail Todd these 100000 losing pic 4 combinations (1.2 million numbers) and let him compare the numbers to other State Lotteries. I did this myself, and in a 5 year period I won 24,500-39,000 in 5 states, the minimum being 24,500. Indiana 400.00. I guess odds have it that I just use the same losing numbers everyday for 7 years. In 7 years of playing $10-20 dollars per draw (midday and evening) I have never hit a straight combo. As a matter of fact when you play 7000 to 15000 a year in combos and win zilch you call that fair? Just where are the numbers that everyone plays? Payouts are ridiculous--check them for yourself. Many many people are now asking questions, probably because they are broke thinking the odds would come around; that just doesnt happen here. So to answer your question, that does it depend on the sales? Answer this question first--which lottery pays more:
1) a lottery in existence for 18 years with a population of over 6 million
2) a lottery in existence for 4 years with a population of 4million
Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State.
I don't know much more about trying to explain it off, but for having such a small shoreline next to Lake Michigan, something sure smells fishy up in there Indiana.
The seven winners in 2005, and seven winners in 2006? How can anyone say it has to do with ticket sales and duplicates etc.? for going 102 draws? Maybe it'll get hit on the 107 th draw? By seven people in seven cities at 7 in the evening on the 7th of Nov?
Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Oct 18, 2007
I don't know much more about trying to explain it off, but for having such a small shoreline next to Lake Michigan, something sure smells fishy up in there Indiana.
The seven winners in 2005, and seven winners in 2006? How can anyone say it has to do with ticket sales and duplicates etc.? for going 102 draws? Maybe it'll get hit on the 107 th draw? By seven people in seven cities at 7 in the evening on the 7th of Nov?
?????????? Wasn't there a movie called 7?
There certainly was a movie called "Seven" (actually "Se7en"), starring Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman, and Gwyneth Paltrow. It was directed by one of my favorite directors, David Fincher, who is more famously known for his next movie, "Fight Club", which also starred Brad Pitt.
Seven is a fantastic movie for anyone who likes mystery/suspense and doesn't mind some gore.
Quote: Originally posted by LosingJeff on Oct 18, 2007
A mystery? Hardly. One needs only to look at the 0 straight winners on pic 4 every day and the ridiculously low pic 3 payouts. The mystery becomes obvious.
heard your plea will send you a PM with some detail about your best set of numbers ...your right the numbers are rigged , just a little ....I did an alogarythm for your state and was able to find the last numbers pick and pick but not able to discern between the night and day numbers --its not perfect system but it works well..pick4;
Quote: Originally posted by computerhead723 on Oct 18, 2007
heard your plea will send you a PM with some detail about your best set of numbers ...your right the numbers are rigged , just a little ....I did an alogarythm for your state and was able to find the last numbers pick and pick but not able to discern between the night and day numbers --its not perfect system but it works well..pick4;
Quote: Originally posted by computerhead723 on Oct 18, 2007
heard your plea will send you a PM with some detail about your best set of numbers ...your right the numbers are rigged , just a little ....I did an alogarythm for your state and was able to find the last numbers pick and pick but not able to discern between the night and day numbers --its not perfect system but it works well..pick4;
018;936;374;142;739;840;010;724;966;.........********computers are more difficult to predict...but leaves better footprints for me to find;
heard your plea will send you a PM with some detail about your best set of numbers ...your right the numbers are rigged , just a little ....I did an alogarythem for your state and was able to find the last numbers pick 3 and pick 4 but not able to discern between the night and day numbers --its not perfect system but it works well..pick4;
Sorry for you Indiana Lotto players. I just want to say that I live in Michigan but was born in Indiana. I WILL win in my birth homestate. If I do win, I'll move to Indiana to help the Indiana Economy. SCREW MICHIGAN.
Quote: Originally posted by computerhead723 on Oct 18, 2007
heard your plea will send you a PM with some detail about your best set of numbers ...your right the numbers are rigged , just a little ....I did an alogarythem for your state and was able to find the last numbers pick 3 and pick 4 but not able to discern between the night and day numbers --its not perfect system but it works well..pick4;
Quote: Originally posted by Bradly_60 on Oct 18, 2007
Yes that is a long time. But you do have to look at the odds. I mean if the jackpot is really this high and they are only selling about $1.5 million tickets a drawing, that is a lot of uncovered combinations. Now for how long this has been growing the odds are probably pretty small that it would have lasted this long. But odds are odds. I really don't see how it could be a fraction of a percent though. I mean when the jackpot is small it seems like they don't sell many tickets at all.
But by the way the jackpot only grows by $500,000 a drawing? When they are selling $3,000,000 tickets a week the jackpot should be increase by at least $2,000,000 a week not only $1,000,000. But I guess it does make up for the beginning jackpots when I doubt they sell enough tickets to warrant the $500,000 increase.
Brad
"I really don't see how it could be a fraction of a percent though."
In the body of the article it says the math professor estimated the odds as a fraction of a percent, but at the bottom it says a "miniscule fraction of a percent".
We may have to guess at how many combinations are being sold, but the math is easy and a minsicule fraction of a percent is close enough. The chances of not having a winner for any given number of drawings is calculated by multiplying the chances of not having a winner in each individual drawing. In real life the chance of not having a winner will vary with how many combinations are sold for any individual drawing, but let's make it simple and assume they sell 1 million combinations for each of 50 drawings.
The game odds are 1 in 12,271,512, so 1 million combinations is 8.15% of the possible combinations. For each individual drawing there's an 8.15% chance of a winner, and that means there's a 91.85% chance that there won't be a winner. The chances of not having a winner in either of 2 drawings is then .9185 * .9185 = .8436, or 84.36%. The chances of not having a winner in 3 drawings is .9185 * .9185 * .9185, or 77.49%. It takes 9 drawings for the chance of still not having a winner to drop below 50% (.9185^9 = .4653, or 46.53%). For 50 games it would be .9185^50 = .0143, or 1.4%. Even after 50 games there's still better than a 1% chance that there won't have been a winner.
If they continued to sell the same 8.15% of combinations for each of another 50 games the chances of not having a winner would then be .0143 * .0143, or .0002, or .02%. That's 2/100ths of 1%. I don't think 2/100ths qualifies as miniscule, but any reasonable estimate says that Hoosier lotto has been selling a lot more than 1 million combinations for a lot of the drawings. As an estimate the chances of going for 102 drawings is probably between 1/100th of 1% and 1/1000th of 1%.
For those who are convinced that such a long run without a winner is a sure sign of a conspiracy I'll note that 1/100th of 1% is 1 in 10,000, or the same as the chance of picking the winner in pick 4. Having a 1/1000th of 1%chance at winning powerball would require 14,500 unique tickets. Is it very unlikely that simple random chance would result in 102 drawings without a winner? Sure it is, but for anyone who hasn't figured it out yet, the entire concept behind the lottery is that highly improbable things do happen.
Quote: Originally posted by LosingJeff on Oct 18, 2007
Thats exactly what the want you to believe; yet, Indiana has more powerball winners than anyone. You should stop in any store in Indiana and ask the clerks how many people are happy with the Lottery. I was just in the store this morning and hear, "everybody is talking about how screwed up it is". Do you honestly think that sales data is the issue. I think not. I dont care what anyone thinks, a Lottery that has a player population larger than another will have higher amounts of payouts than say a State with 2 million less people. To consistently pay 0 straight winners is an absoultely phoenomena compared to any other State. Maybe you should try to get the sales data from them---Good luck! FOI act is worthless here. With the consciousness level of mankind rising, any deceit or corruption that would or has possibly existed will be exposed. Maybe I should mail Todd these 100000 losing pic 4 combinations (1.2 million numbers) and let him compare the numbers to other State Lotteries. I did this myself, and in a 5 year period I won 24,500-39,000 in 5 states, the minimum being 24,500. Indiana 400.00. I guess odds have it that I just use the same losing numbers everyday for 7 years. In 7 years of playing $10-20 dollars per draw (midday and evening) I have never hit a straight combo. As a matter of fact when you play 7000 to 15000 a year in combos and win zilch you call that fair? Just where are the numbers that everyone plays? Payouts are ridiculous--check them for yourself. Many many people are now asking questions, probably because they are broke thinking the odds would come around; that just doesnt happen here. So to answer your question, that does it depend on the sales? Answer this question first--which lottery pays more:
1) a lottery in existence for 18 years with a population of over 6 million
2) a lottery in existence for 4 years with a population of 4million
Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State.
"Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State."
Real common sense says that payouts will always be determined by sales, in combination with the odds of any given game. Nobody with common sense would expect higher payouts with lower sales, just because the population is higher. You can think whatever you want, but 1 million people buying 1 million tickets in one state should produce twice as many winners as 500,000 tickets in another state, no matter how many people live there.
It would certainly be nice if the state released more information, but without that information you don't have anything real to justify most of your conclusions.
Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Oct 19, 2007
"Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State."
Real common sense says that payouts will always be determined by sales, in combination with the odds of any given game. Nobody with common sense would expect higher payouts with lower sales, just because the population is higher. You can think whatever you want, but 1 million people buying 1 million tickets in one state should produce twice as many winners as 500,000 tickets in another state, no matter how many people live there.
It would certainly be nice if the state released more information, but without that information you don't have anything real to justify most of your conclusions.
KY Floyd says:
"It would certainly be nice if the state released more information, but without that information you don't have anything real to justify most of your conclusions."
You are correct, but IMHO this is a two way street and no one can come to any conclusions about this lottery, you can discuss percentages and odds all day but they mean nothing without some transparency from the IN. lottery. Something is awry.
Quote: Originally posted by computerhead723 on Oct 18, 2007
I completly agree with you on this issue computerized drawings are not good for the players .The benifit is too the Lotterys and their corporate partners ....its a money maker very little payouts and all profit :
laws would push those Corporate Enterprises into a better system a ball draw in the eye of the camera and the citizens of this state:
But like I said before there are many insidences accross the USA where no one has won for over a year ....people dont want to make waves ....(just ask KY Fooled ,he hits all the web sites) case and point the pick 10 NY cash amount for all 10 =500,000.00
with up to 10 winners per draw ....number of winners for all ten in the last 5yr =( 2)
and you never know if that winner was not related to the lottery personal ,since it is a draw that is never teleivised;
exactly why I quit playing keno here in mich...not televised and computerized equals no dough from my pocket!!!!!!!
I hate to predict this but, someday (your state or my state) will convert to computerized drawings. People will wise up and not play as much or at all. Some people will realize that not only the drawings are rigged but that they seem to have more money to spend without actually winning anything because they haven't been playing either or playing as much. If nj ever goes computerized I'd probably be tempted to go to other States or just play Mega/Powerball.
Quote: Originally posted by LosingJeff on Oct 18, 2007
Thats exactly what the want you to believe; yet, Indiana has more powerball winners than anyone. You should stop in any store in Indiana and ask the clerks how many people are happy with the Lottery. I was just in the store this morning and hear, "everybody is talking about how screwed up it is". Do you honestly think that sales data is the issue. I think not. I dont care what anyone thinks, a Lottery that has a player population larger than another will have higher amounts of payouts than say a State with 2 million less people. To consistently pay 0 straight winners is an absoultely phoenomena compared to any other State. Maybe you should try to get the sales data from them---Good luck! FOI act is worthless here. With the consciousness level of mankind rising, any deceit or corruption that would or has possibly existed will be exposed. Maybe I should mail Todd these 100000 losing pic 4 combinations (1.2 million numbers) and let him compare the numbers to other State Lotteries. I did this myself, and in a 5 year period I won 24,500-39,000 in 5 states, the minimum being 24,500. Indiana 400.00. I guess odds have it that I just use the same losing numbers everyday for 7 years. In 7 years of playing $10-20 dollars per draw (midday and evening) I have never hit a straight combo. As a matter of fact when you play 7000 to 15000 a year in combos and win zilch you call that fair? Just where are the numbers that everyone plays? Payouts are ridiculous--check them for yourself. Many many people are now asking questions, probably because they are broke thinking the odds would come around; that just doesnt happen here. So to answer your question, that does it depend on the sales? Answer this question first--which lottery pays more:
1) a lottery in existence for 18 years with a population of over 6 million
2) a lottery in existence for 4 years with a population of 4million
Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State.
todays indiana mid day came :
488
4817...
just as I said in my rule:
if a one (01) falls with the number it will fall with :
01-05 -02- 06 - 08-04-07 in this case (04-08-07)this included the pick 3;
their will be no 000 or 999 or 333 nor 339 nor 309;
the number must fall with one orr more of the listed numbers untill it changes;
its is possible for 101 or 109 but 319;372;387;898 ect;;;;
well after tonight I re-evaulated indiana and I am gonna stick my neck out on this but for the next -4-7 draws or untill changed this is What I think;
when a ( 01 ) is in the number it will fall with the following number or numbers:
01-05 -02- 06 - 08-04-07....its a little help ...
so when you play make sure if you play (example)
1953 -not 1390 but 3124 or 3126 is better;
good plays ....5138...7487...3884....6812....2711....1725....5286....5289
Quote: Originally posted by computerhead723 on Oct 20, 2007
todays indiana mid day came :
488
4817...
just as I said in my rule:
if a one (01) falls with the number it will fall with :
01-05 -02- 06 - 08-04-07 in this case (04-08-07)this included the pick 3;
their will be no 000 or 999 or 333 nor 339 nor 309;
the number must fall with one orr more of the listed numbers untill it changes;
its is possible for 101 or 109 but 319;372;387;898 ect;;;;
well after tonight I re-evaulated indiana and I am gonna stick my neck out on this but for the next -4-7 draws or untill changed this is What I think;
when a ( 01 ) is in the number it will fall with the following number or numbers:
01-05 -02- 06 - 08-04-07....its a little help ...
so when you play make sure if you play (example)
1953 -not 1390 but 3124 or 3126 is better;
good plays ....5138...7487...3884....6812....2711....1725....5286....5289
I appreciate the help, but I got 3 of 4 numbers 90% of draws on pic 4. What people do not understand is that in Indiana you can win on paper, but not by actually buying the ticket. Again, the payouts are beyond ridiculous compared to ANY state in the Country. Not even close. If you play on paper you can win. Otherwise, dont play at all. By all means, I am willing to send Todd all the tickets I have accumulated. I would guess that of all these tickets I would win a minimum of 20000 in any 5 states of choice over the past 5 years. Indiana 400. And trust me it is alot of money. Absoultely NO RETURN IN INDIANA. Go stand in any store in Indiana and hear the great comments about all the money being won. lol. Well anyways, enough of talking about this. It is my belief that they will allow a winner tonight, but no later than wedenesay, seeing how the are on the skyline once more. Unless, of course, God Almighty is gonna let this run for awhile to further raise suspicion. The later I hope.
While you are at it, go check out the big pic 3 and pic 4 winners yesterday for the lottery with the current largest jackpot in the USA. Tell me what you think.
I, for one, am really glad to see this issue raised again in Indiana. There has already been one attempt to legislate computerized drawings out of existence there, maybe (hopefully!) this will spark another attempt. I hope it also gets notice in Tennessee, where the oversight meeting is just a couple of weeks away.
the lotto in my state of indiana is doing something dirty with this constant not hitting on the jackpot but ima just play my tickets and pray for the best
Im glad someone finally put a percentage on the likelihood of this happening at well below one percent. If Tennessee had a computer glitch that didnt allow doubles maybe Indiana has a glitch that doesnt allow the same numbers to be drawn if they were printed on a ticket, hence no doubles either haha. It surpassed the magical 50 million mark, now the year mark might be the magical date this falls. And no money is won when you hit 2 numbers, just a free play that is in itself worth about 20 cents, typical lottery spin.
I completly agree with you on this issue computerized drawings are not good for the players .The benifit is too the Lotterys and their corporate partners ....its a money maker very little payouts and all profit :
laws would push those Corporate Enterprises into a better system a ball draw in the eye of the camera and the citizens of this state:
But like I said before there are many insidences accross the USA where no one has won for over a year ....people dont want to make waves ....(just ask KY Fooled ,he hits all the web sites) case and point the pick 10 NY cash amount for all 10 =500,000.00
with up to 10 winners per draw ....number of winners for all ten in the last 5yr =( 2)
and you never know if that winner was not related to the lottery personal ,since it is a draw that is never teleivised;
IT'S completely driving me Insane!!!!!
your not the only one
why dont you write to the Governor or the inspector general of your state ;
tell them you dont want computerized drawings in your state ...its simple and you are paying there wages just like every-other tax payers;
"A journey of a thousand- miles begins with a single step"
FYI-- Everyone has been notified years ago. The day that the bill to eliminate RNG was supposed to be brought up in the Legislature was the day they all walked out---isnt that a coincidence. You plead in vain if u live in Indiana. Rule of law is non existent here. EVERYONE HAS BEEN NOTIFIED! Since the Lottery is now getting scrutiny expect it to be won now. How do I know that? Cause when someone brought up the fact that there had not been quads in so long then the quads came out. There is NOTHING random about it. Just look at the daily game payouts and compare them too ANY State. It is hideously insane. But they are untouchable. Indiana makes Tennessee look like Cinderella.
we're in the same boat jeff.i don't spend and won't spend another dime until tennessee brings back balls.period.
i'm predicting that the lotto jackpot will be hit this saturday (hopefully by me) it will be the one year anniversary since it was won (actually 364 days but who cares)
my information was incorrect about the NY pick 10 ..for this year there has been a few more winners ,they dont tell you on the news anything so here is the facts for getting all 10 or the largest payouts ever!!!
Yes that is a long time. But you do have to look at the odds. I mean if the jackpot is really this high and they are only selling about $1.5 million tickets a drawing, that is a lot of uncovered combinations. Now for how long this has been growing the odds are probably pretty small that it would have lasted this long. But odds are odds. I really don't see how it could be a fraction of a percent though. I mean when the jackpot is small it seems like they don't sell many tickets at all.
But by the way the jackpot only grows by $500,000 a drawing? When they are selling $3,000,000 tickets a week the jackpot should be increase by at least $2,000,000 a week not only $1,000,000. But I guess it does make up for the beginning jackpots when I doubt they sell enough tickets to warrant the $500,000 increase.
Brad
Ohio's Classic Lotto, a 6/49 game has a starting jackpot of $1M and is increased by $100K each drawing that it's not won. Unlike Hoosier Lotto which offer a free play for matching 2, its lowest prize is $2 for a match3.
Since the Hoosier Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$195K)is higher than Ohio Classic Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$22K), I assume it's attracting more players, however the Ohio game jackpot has been won three times since it started less than a year ago. It's truly is a mystery why the Hoosier Lotto game has gone so long without a jackpot winner.
P.S. Ohio Classic Lotto picks its numbers the old fashion way, it uses a ball machine.
A mystery? Hardly. One needs only to look at the 0 straight winners on pic 4 every day and the ridiculously low pic 3 payouts. The mystery becomes obvious.
Without knowing the numbers of people playing the pick4 game, that's hard to say. When comparing the Hoosier Lotto game with the Ohio Classic Lotto game, I assumed if the number of payouts were greater than the number or players must be greater too since the both games have similar odds of winning. Judging from the number of smaller payouts(box hits), there's not a lot people playing the pick4 game in Indiana.
I'm not inclined to believe the probability lecturer about this game going this long without a winner only being a fraction of a percent. The spokesman said THIS MONTH, there has been about 3 million tickets each week, but everyone must keep in mind it took time to grow to that number of tickets. 6 months ago, there were a lot less. Also keep in mind 3 million tickets doesn't mean 3 million unique combinations, there are duplicates to consider. Even at 3 million UNIQUE combinations, that's only 24.4% of all possible combinations. After you take into consideration duplicates, you're looking at about 20%, if that. I like to look at cold hard facts. The fact is that mathematically it is possible for this game to go this long without a winner. This just happens to be one of those longer than average roll times for a jackpot game, just like many other jackpot games have on occasion. Of course, people are more quick to say there's something going on because the drawing is computerized. I'm going to say that I currently don't think there's anything going on. Does that mean I never will? Not necessarily. It all depends on the information I come across and how credible I think that information is. Also, regardless of the odds of winning the Hoosier Lotto jackpot are 1 in 12,271,512 and PowerBall's odds 1 in 146,107,962, and regardless of there being more PowerBall jackpots won in the last year than Hoosier Lotto, PowerBall is played in 29 states, so PowerBall's sales numbers are VASTLY larger than Hoosier Lotto's and makes up the difference many times over.
Thats exactly what the want you to believe; yet, Indiana has more powerball winners than anyone. You should stop in any store in Indiana and ask the clerks how many people are happy with the Lottery. I was just in the store this morning and hear, "everybody is talking about how screwed up it is". Do you honestly think that sales data is the issue. I think not. I dont care what anyone thinks, a Lottery that has a player population larger than another will have higher amounts of payouts than say a State with 2 million less people. To consistently pay 0 straight winners is an absoultely phoenomena compared to any other State. Maybe you should try to get the sales data from them---Good luck! FOI act is worthless here. With the consciousness level of mankind rising, any deceit or corruption that would or has possibly existed will be exposed. Maybe I should mail Todd these 100000 losing pic 4 combinations (1.2 million numbers) and let him compare the numbers to other State Lotteries. I did this myself, and in a 5 year period I won 24,500-39,000 in 5 states, the minimum being 24,500. Indiana 400.00. I guess odds have it that I just use the same losing numbers everyday for 7 years. In 7 years of playing $10-20 dollars per draw (midday and evening) I have never hit a straight combo. As a matter of fact when you play 7000 to 15000 a year in combos and win zilch you call that fair? Just where are the numbers that everyone plays? Payouts are ridiculous--check them for yourself. Many many people are now asking questions, probably because they are broke thinking the odds would come around; that just doesnt happen here. So to answer your question, that does it depend on the sales? Answer this question first--which lottery pays more:
1) a lottery in existence for 18 years with a population of over 6 million
2) a lottery in existence for 4 years with a population of 4million
Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State.
I don't know much more about trying to explain it off, but for having such a small shoreline next to Lake Michigan, something sure smells fishy up in there Indiana.
The seven winners in 2005, and seven winners in 2006? How can anyone say it has to do with ticket sales and duplicates etc.? for going 102 draws? Maybe it'll get hit on the 107 th draw? By seven people in seven cities at 7 in the evening on the 7th of Nov?
There certainly was a movie called "Seven" (actually "Se7en"), starring Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman, and Gwyneth Paltrow. It was directed by one of my favorite directors, David Fincher, who is more famously known for his next movie, "Fight Club", which also starred Brad Pitt.
Seven is a fantastic movie for anyone who likes mystery/suspense and doesn't mind some gore.
It got its name from the seven deadly sins.
heard your plea will send you a PM with some detail about your best set of numbers ...your right the numbers are rigged , just a little ....I did an alogarythm for your state and was able to find the last numbers pick and pick but not able to discern between the night and day numbers --its not perfect system but it works well..pick4;
for tonight box all numbers or any day this week;
9108;9362;2959;5955;5152;7524;3753;3761;8632;9862;8611;2478;2103;2166;2160;7635;5138;0743;
0742;0751;2173;9667;
018;936;374;142;739;840;010;724;966;.........********computers are more difficult to predict...but leaves better footprints for me to find;
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heard your plea will send you a PM with some detail about your best set of numbers ...your right the numbers are rigged , just a little ....I did an alogarythem for your state and was able to find the last numbers pick 3 and pick 4 but not able to discern between the night and day numbers --its not perfect system but it works well..pick4;
for tonight box all numbers or any day this week;
9108;9362;2959;5955;5152;7524;3753;3761;8632;9862;8611;2478;2103;2166;2160;7635;5138;0743;
0742;0751;2173;9667;
018;936;374;142;739;840;010;724;966;.........********computers are more difficult to predict...but leaves better footprints for me to find;
AND... The Hornets Nest Is Now Wide Open!...
let's see how indiana is going to explain this one away.
they have hijacked the lottery drawings lol.
lottoscorp-NY$
good- one its 911 all over again
!!!!
but they do have a real concern...
Sorry for you Indiana Lotto players. I just want to say that I live in Michigan but was born in Indiana. I WILL win in my birth homestate. If I do win, I'll move to Indiana to help the Indiana Economy. SCREW MICHIGAN.
well after tonight I re-evaulated indiana and I am gonna stick my neck out on this but for the next -4-7 draws or untill changed this is What I think;
when a ( 01 ) is in the number it will fall with the following number or numbers:
01-05 -02- 06 - 08-04-07....its a little help ...
so when you play make sure if you play (example)
1953 -not 1390 but 3124 or 3126 is better;
good plays ....5138...7487...3884....6812....2711....1725....5286....5289...7003...9306....5315***
"I really don't see how it could be a fraction of a percent though."
In the body of the article it says the math professor estimated the odds as a fraction of a percent, but at the bottom it says a "miniscule fraction of a percent".
We may have to guess at how many combinations are being sold, but the math is easy and a minsicule fraction of a percent is close enough. The chances of not having a winner for any given number of drawings is calculated by multiplying the chances of not having a winner in each individual drawing. In real life the chance of not having a winner will vary with how many combinations are sold for any individual drawing, but let's make it simple and assume they sell 1 million combinations for each of 50 drawings.
The game odds are 1 in 12,271,512, so 1 million combinations is 8.15% of the possible combinations. For each individual drawing there's an 8.15% chance of a winner, and that means there's a 91.85% chance that there won't be a winner. The chances of not having a winner in either of 2 drawings is then .9185 * .9185 = .8436, or 84.36%. The chances of not having a winner in 3 drawings is .9185 * .9185 * .9185, or 77.49%. It takes 9 drawings for the chance of still not having a winner to drop below 50% (.9185^9 = .4653, or 46.53%). For 50 games it would be .9185^50 = .0143, or 1.4%. Even after 50 games there's still better than a 1% chance that there won't have been a winner.
If they continued to sell the same 8.15% of combinations for each of another 50 games the chances of not having a winner would then be .0143 * .0143, or .0002, or .02%. That's 2/100ths of 1%. I don't think 2/100ths qualifies as miniscule, but any reasonable estimate says that Hoosier lotto has been selling a lot more than 1 million combinations for a lot of the drawings. As an estimate the chances of going for 102 drawings is probably between 1/100th of 1% and 1/1000th of 1%.
For those who are convinced that such a long run without a winner is a sure sign of a conspiracy I'll note that 1/100th of 1% is 1 in 10,000, or the same as the chance of picking the winner in pick 4. Having a 1/1000th of 1%chance at winning powerball would require 14,500 unique tickets. Is it very unlikely that simple random chance would result in 102 drawings without a winner? Sure it is, but for anyone who hasn't figured it out yet, the entire concept behind the lottery is that highly improbable things do happen.
"Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State."
Real common sense says that payouts will always be determined by sales, in combination with the odds of any given game. Nobody with common sense would expect higher payouts with lower sales, just because the population is higher. You can think whatever you want, but 1 million people buying 1 million tickets in one state should produce twice as many winners as 500,000 tickets in another state, no matter how many people live there.
It would certainly be nice if the state released more information, but without that information you don't have anything real to justify most of your conclusions.
KY Floyd says:
"It would certainly be nice if the state released more information, but without that information you don't have anything real to justify most of your conclusions."
You are correct, but IMHO this is a two way street and no one can come to any conclusions about this lottery, you can discuss percentages and odds all day but they mean nothing without some transparency from the IN. lottery. Something is awry.
exactly why I quit playing keno here in mich...not televised and computerized equals no dough from my pocket!!!!!!!
I hate to predict this but, someday (your state or my state) will convert to computerized drawings. People will wise up and not play as much or at all. Some people will realize that not only the drawings are rigged but that they seem to have more money to spend without actually winning anything because they haven't been playing either or playing as much. If nj ever goes computerized I'd probably be tempted to go to other States or just play Mega/Powerball.
todays indiana mid day came :
488
4817...
just as I said in my rule:
if a one (01) falls with the number it will fall with :
01-05 -02- 06 - 08-04-07 in this case (04-08-07)this included the pick 3;
their will be no 000 or 999 or 333 nor 339 nor 309;
the number must fall with one orr more of the listed numbers untill it changes;
its is possible for 101 or 109 but 319;372;387;898 ect;;;;
well after tonight I re-evaulated indiana and I am gonna stick my neck out on this but for the next -4-7 draws or untill changed this is What I think;
when a ( 01 ) is in the number it will fall with the following number or numbers:
01-05 -02- 06 - 08-04-07....its a little help ...
so when you play make sure if you play (example)
1953 -not 1390 but 3124 or 3126 is better;
good plays ....5138...7487...3884....6812....2711....1725....5286....5289
I appreciate the help, but I got 3 of 4 numbers 90% of draws on pic 4. What people do not understand is that in Indiana you can win on paper, but not by actually buying the ticket. Again, the payouts are beyond ridiculous compared to ANY state in the Country. Not even close. If you play on paper you can win. Otherwise, dont play at all. By all means, I am willing to send Todd all the tickets I have accumulated. I would guess that of all these tickets I would win a minimum of 20000 in any 5 states of choice over the past 5 years. Indiana 400. And trust me it is alot of money. Absoultely NO RETURN IN INDIANA. Go stand in any store in Indiana and hear the great comments about all the money being won. lol. Well anyways, enough of talking about this. It is my belief that they will allow a winner tonight, but no later than wedenesay, seeing how the are on the skyline once more. Unless, of course, God Almighty is gonna let this run for awhile to further raise suspicion. The later I hope.
And the joke continues
While you are at it, go check out the big pic 3 and pic 4 winners yesterday for the lottery with the current largest jackpot in the USA. Tell me what you think.
agreed