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Hoosier Lotto in a dry spell

Todd's avatar - Cylon 200.jpg

I, for one, am really glad to see this issue raised again in Indiana.  There has already been one attempt to legislate computerized drawings out of existence there, maybe (hopefully!) this will spark another attempt.  I hope it also gets notice in Tennessee, where the oversight meeting is just a couple of weeks away.

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the lotto in my state of indiana is doing something dirty with this constant not hitting on the jackpot but ima just play my tickets and pray for the best

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Im glad someone finally put a percentage on the likelihood of this happening at well below one percent.  If Tennessee had a computer glitch that didnt allow doubles maybe Indiana has a glitch that doesnt allow the same numbers to be drawn if they were printed on a ticket, hence no doubles either haha.   It surpassed the magical 50 million mark, now the year mark might be the magical date this falls.  And no money is won when you hit 2 numbers, just a free play that is in itself worth about 20 cents, typical lottery spin. 

computerhead723's avatar - lightbulb
In response to Todd

I  completly   agree  with  you   on  this  issue  computerized  drawings  are  not  good   for  the  players .The  benifit  is  too  the  Lotterys   and  their  corporate  partners ....its   a  money   maker  very  little  payouts  and  all  profit :

laws  would  push  those   Corporate  Enterprises into  a  better  system  a  ball   draw  in   the   eye  of  the   camera  and the  citizens  of  this   state:

But  like  I  said  before  there  are   many   insidences  accross  the   USA  where  no  one   has  won  for  over  a  year ....people  dont   want  to  make   waves ....(just   ask  KY Fooled ,he  hits   all  the   web  sites)   case  and  point  the  pick  10  NY  cash   amount   for   all  10 =500,000.00

with  up  to   10  winners   per  draw ....number   of  winners  for   all  ten  in  the   last  5yr  =( 2)

and  you   never   know  if  that  winner   was  not  related  to  the  lottery  personal ,since  it   is  a  draw  that  is  never   teleivised;

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IT'S completely driving me Insane!!!!!

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your not the only one

computerhead723's avatar - lightbulb
In response to SmoothJuice

why  dont  you   write  to  the   Governor  or  the   inspector  general   of  your  state ;

tell  them  you   dont   want  computerized   drawings  in  your   state ...its  simple  and  you   are  paying  there   wages just   like  every-other   tax  payers;

"A  journey  of   a  thousand- miles  begins  with  a   single  step"

LosingJeff's avatar - flower
In response to computerhead723

FYI-- Everyone has been notified years ago. The day that the bill to eliminate RNG was supposed to be brought up in the Legislature was the day they all walked out---isnt that a coincidence. You plead in vain if u live in Indiana. Rule of law is non existent here. EVERYONE HAS BEEN NOTIFIED! Since the Lottery is now getting scrutiny expect it to be won now. How do I know that? Cause when someone brought up the fact that there had not been quads in so long then the quads came out. There is NOTHING random about it. Just look at the daily game payouts and compare them too ANY State. It is hideously insane. But they are untouchable. Indiana makes Tennessee look like Cinderella.

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we're in the same boat jeff.i don't spend and won't spend another dime until tennessee brings back balls.period.

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i'm predicting that the lotto jackpot will be hit this saturday (hopefully by me) it will be the one year anniversary since it was won (actually 364 days but who cares)

computerhead723's avatar - lightbulb
In response to computerhead723

my  information  was  incorrect  about   the  NY  pick  10  ..for  this  year  there  has  been   a  few  more   winners ,they   dont  tell  you  on  the  news  anything  so  here is  the  facts  for  getting  all  10   or  the  largest   payouts  ever!!!

 

Winning Numbers DrawnTotal Payout
02/27/2005293031323335363738$1,510,182
06/26/20072172325383941444647$1,032,878
07/04/2007591113162326283741$1,026,006
02/12/2004237891016173139$596,408
02/16/2007136891016202934$560,386
04/25/200613478916252832$557,618
09/27/20057111720232627283137$547,028
09/01/20054679121314192628$545,340
05/04/2004351214182238454854$543,480
03/15/20034678111921283136$541,930
09/04/20062468101418203032$541,664
02/04/2006131014192023252628$538,698
03/01/20072359141720223337$536,254
08/09/2004691217222327293639$536,168
10/02/2007781921242529303233$535,522
04/09/20067101420243334354043$533,746
02/21/200726812131923273234$531,682
01/31/20073111416182025283238$531,460
10/15/200634517202731323436$530,204
12/04/20058102532394257586065$191,610
11/19/20037121418363738525359$165,048
10/24/200267815161718192224$112,224
10/21/2005125791112192225$106,034
05/24/200417232528303132333435$103,300
08/04/20071467121415171819$94,994
06/10/20064678121415171923$94,598
02/15/20072578101115172326$93,332
04/01/200412358912212526$91,206
Bradly_60's avatar - disney37

Yes that is a long time.  But you do have to look at the odds.  I mean if the jackpot is really this high and they are only selling about $1.5 million tickets a drawing, that is a lot of uncovered combinations.  Now for how long this has been growing the odds are probably pretty small that it would have lasted this long.  But odds are odds.  I really don't see how it could be a fraction of a percent though.  I mean when the jackpot is small it seems like they don't sell many tickets at all. 

But by the way the jackpot only grows by $500,000 a drawing?  When they are selling $3,000,000 tickets a week the jackpot should be increase by at least $2,000,000 a week not only $1,000,000.  But I guess it does make up for the beginning jackpots when I doubt they sell enough tickets to warrant the $500,000 increase.

 

Brad

RJOh's avatar - chipmunk

Ohio's Classic Lotto, a 6/49 game has a starting jackpot of $1M and is increased by $100K each drawing that it's not won.  Unlike Hoosier Lotto which offer a free play for matching 2, its lowest prize is $2 for a match3.

Since the Hoosier Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$195K)is higher than Ohio Classic Lotto payouts(10/17/07=$22K), I assume it's attracting more players, however the Ohio game jackpot has been won three times since it started less than a year ago.  It's truly is a mystery why the Hoosier Lotto game has gone so long without a jackpot winner. 

P.S. Ohio Classic Lotto picks its numbers the old fashion way, it uses a ball machine.

LosingJeff's avatar - flower
In response to RJOh

A mystery? Hardly. One needs only to look at the 0 straight winners on pic 4 every day and the ridiculously low pic 3 payouts. The mystery becomes obvious.

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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
In response to LosingJeff

Without knowing the numbers of people playing the pick4 game, that's hard to say.  When comparing the Hoosier Lotto game with the Ohio Classic Lotto game, I assumed if the number of payouts were greater than the number or players must be greater too since the both games have similar odds of winning.  Judging from the number of smaller payouts(box hits), there's not a lot people playing the pick4 game in Indiana.

Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh

I'm not inclined to believe the probability lecturer about this game going this long without a winner only being a fraction of a percent. The spokesman said THIS MONTH, there has been about 3 million tickets each week, but everyone must keep in mind it took time to grow to that number of tickets. 6 months ago, there were a lot less. Also keep in mind 3 million tickets doesn't mean 3 million unique combinations, there are duplicates to consider. Even at 3 million UNIQUE combinations, that's only 24.4% of all possible combinations. After you take into consideration duplicates, you're looking at about 20%, if that. I like to look at cold hard facts. The fact is that mathematically it is possible for this game to go this long without a winner. This just happens to be one of those longer than average roll times for a jackpot game, just like many other jackpot games have on occasion. Of course, people are more quick to say there's something going on because the drawing is computerized. I'm going to say that I currently don't think there's anything going on. Does that mean I never will? Not necessarily. It all depends on the information I come across and how credible I think that information is. Also, regardless of the odds of winning the Hoosier Lotto jackpot are 1 in 12,271,512 and PowerBall's odds 1 in 146,107,962, and regardless of there being more PowerBall jackpots won in the last year than Hoosier Lotto, PowerBall is played in 29 states, so PowerBall's sales numbers are VASTLY larger than Hoosier Lotto's and makes up the difference many times over.

LosingJeff's avatar - flower
In response to RJOh

Thats exactly what the want you to believe; yet, Indiana has more powerball winners than anyone.  You should stop in any store in Indiana and ask the clerks how many people are happy with the Lottery. I was just in the store this morning and hear, "everybody is talking about how screwed up it is". Do you honestly think that sales data is the issue. I think not. I dont care what anyone thinks, a Lottery that has a player population larger than another will have higher amounts of payouts than say a State with 2 million less people. To consistently pay 0 straight winners is an absoultely phoenomena compared to any other State. Maybe you should try to get the sales data from them---Good luck! FOI act is worthless here.  With the consciousness level of mankind rising, any deceit or corruption that would or has possibly existed will be exposed. Maybe I should mail Todd these 100000 losing pic 4 combinations (1.2 million numbers) and let him compare the numbers to other State Lotteries. I did this myself, and in a 5 year period I won 24,500-39,000 in 5 states, the minimum being 24,500.  Indiana 400.00.  I guess odds have it that I just use the same losing numbers everyday for 7 years. In 7 years of playing $10-20 dollars per draw (midday and evening) I have never hit a straight combo. As a matter of fact when you play 7000 to 15000 a year in combos and win zilch you call that fair? Just where are the numbers that everyone plays? Payouts are ridiculous--check them for yourself. Many many people are now asking questions, probably because they are broke thinking the odds would come around; that just doesnt happen here. So to answer your question, that does it depend on the sales? Answer this question first--which lottery pays more:

1) a lottery in existence for 18 years with a population of over 6 million

2) a lottery in existence for 4 years with a population of 4million

Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State.

jarasan's avatar - new patrick.gif

I don't know much more about trying to explain it off, but for having such a small shoreline next to Lake Michigan, something sure smells fishy up in there Indiana. 

The seven winners in 2005, and seven winners in 2006?  How can anyone say it has to do with ticket sales and duplicates etc.? for going 102 draws? Maybe it'll get hit on the 107 th draw? By seven people in seven cities at 7 in the evening on the 7th of Nov?

Roll Eyes??????????  Wasn't there a movie called 7?

Todd's avatar - Cylon 200.jpg
In response to jarasan

There certainly was a movie called "Seven" (actually "Se7en"), starring Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman, and Gwyneth Paltrow.  It was directed by one of my favorite directors, David Fincher, who is more famously known for his next movie, "Fight Club", which also starred Brad Pitt. 

Seven is a fantastic movie for anyone who likes mystery/suspense and doesn't mind some gore.

It got its name from the seven deadly sins.

computerhead723's avatar - lightbulb
In response to LosingJeff

heard  your  plea  will  send  you  a PM  with  some  detail  about   your  best  set  of  numbers  ...your  right  the  numbers  are  rigged , just  a  little ....I  did  an   alogarythm   for  your   state  and  was  able  to  find  the  last    numbers  pick  and  pick    but  not  able  to  discern  between  the  night  and  day  numbers --its  not  perfect  system  but  it   works  well..pick4;

for  tonight  box  all  numbers or  any  day  this  week;

9108;9362;2959;5955;5152;7524;3753;3761;8632;9862;8611;2478;2103;2166;2160;7635;5138;0743;

0742;0751;2173;9667;

018;936;374;142;739;840;010;724;966;.........********computers  are  more  difficult   to  predict...but  leaves  better  footprints  for  me  to  find; 

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In response to computerhead723

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computerhead723's avatar - lightbulb
In response to computerhead723

heard  your  plea  will  send  you  a PM  with  some  detail  about   your  best  set  of  numbers  ...your  right  the  numbers  are  rigged , just  a  little ....I  did  an   alogarythem   for  your   state  and  was  able  to  find  the  last    numbers  pick 3 and  pick 4   but  not  able  to  discern  between  the  night  and  day  numbers --its  not  perfect  system  but  it   works  well..pick4;

for  tonight  box  all  numbers or  any  day  this  week;

9108;9362;2959;5955;5152;7524;3753;3761;8632;9862;8611;2478;2103;2166;2160;7635;5138;0743;

0742;0751;2173;9667;

018;936;374;142;739;840;010;724;966;.........********computers  are  more  difficult   to  predict...but  leaves  better  footprints  for  me  to  find; 

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AND... The Hornets Nest Is Now Wide Open!...

let's see how indiana is going to explain this one away.

they have hijacked the lottery drawings lol.

 

lottoscorp-NY$

Bat

computerhead723's avatar - lightbulb
In response to lottoscorp

good- one  its  911  all  over   again  Green laugh    LOL!!!!

but  they  do   have   a   real  concern... 

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Sorry for you Indiana Lotto players.  I just want to say that I live in Michigan but was born in Indiana.  I WILL win in my birth homestate.  If I do win, I'll move to Indiana to help the Indiana Economy. SCREW MICHIGAN.

computerhead723's avatar - lightbulb
In response to computerhead723

well  after  tonight  I  re-evaulated   indiana  and  I  am  gonna  stick  my  neck  out  on  this  but  for  the   next  -4-7  draws  or  untill   changed  this  is  What  I  think;

when  a  ( 01 )  is  in  the  number  it  will  fall  with  the   following  number  or  numbers:

01-05 -02- 06 - 08-04-07....its  a  little  help  ...

so  when  you  play  make  sure  if  you  play  (example)

1953  -not  1390  but  3124  or  3126  is  better;

good  plays ....5138...7487...3884....6812....2711....1725....5286....5289...7003...9306....5315***

KY Floyd's avatar - lysol avatar.jpg
In response to Bradly_60

"I really don't see how it could be a fraction of a percent though."

In the body of the article it says the math professor estimated the odds as a fraction of a percent, but at the bottom it says a "miniscule fraction of a percent". 

We may have to guess at how many combinations are being sold, but the math is easy and a minsicule fraction of a percent is close enough. The chances of not having a winner for any given number of drawings is calculated by multiplying the chances of not having a winner in each individual drawing. In real life the chance of not having a winner will vary with how many combinations are sold for  any individual drawing, but let's make it simple and assume they sell 1 million combinations for each of 50 drawings.

The game odds are 1 in 12,271,512, so 1 million combinations is 8.15% of the possible combinations.  For each individual drawing there's an 8.15% chance of a winner, and that means there's a 91.85% chance that there won't be a winner.  The chances of not having a winner in either of 2 drawings is then  .9185 * .9185 = .8436, or 84.36%. The chances of not having a winner in 3 drawings is  .9185 * .9185 * .9185, or 77.49%.  It takes 9 drawings for the chance of still not having a winner to drop below 50% (.9185^9 = .4653, or 46.53%). For 50 games it would be  .9185^50 = .0143, or 1.4%. Even after 50 games there's still better than a 1% chance that there won't have been a winner.

If they continued to sell the same 8.15% of combinations for each of another 50 games the chances of not having a winner would then be  .0143 * .0143, or .0002, or .02%. That's 2/100ths of 1%.  I don't think 2/100ths qualifies as miniscule, but any reasonable estimate says that Hoosier lotto has been selling a lot more than 1 million combinations for a lot of the drawings.  As an estimate the chances of going for 102 drawings is probably between 1/100th of 1% and 1/1000th of 1%.

For those who are convinced that such a long run without a winner is a sure sign of a conspiracy I'll note that 1/100th of 1% is 1 in 10,000, or the same as the chance of picking the winner in pick 4.  Having a 1/1000th of 1%chance at winning powerball would require 14,500 unique tickets. Is it very unlikely that simple random chance would result in 102 drawings without a winner? Sure it is, but for anyone who hasn't figured it out yet, the entire concept behind the lottery is that highly improbable things do happen.

KY Floyd's avatar - lysol avatar.jpg
In response to LosingJeff

"Sales doesnt mean didly, as it is common sense that statistics will show that number 1 should be the dominate payout State."

Real common sense says that payouts will always be determined by sales, in combination with the odds of any given game. Nobody with common sense would expect higher payouts with lower sales, just because the population is higher. You can think whatever you want, but 1 million people buying 1 million tickets in one state should produce twice as many winners as 500,000 tickets in another state, no matter how many people live there.

It would certainly be nice if the state released more information, but without that information you don't have anything real  to justify most of your conclusions.

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In response to KY Floyd

KY Floyd says: 

"It would certainly be nice if the state released more information, but without that information you don't have anything real  to justify most of your conclusions."

 You are correct, but IMHO this is a two way street and no one can come to any conclusions about this lottery, you can discuss percentages and odds all day but they mean nothing without some transparency from the IN. lottery. Something is awry.

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